cornelboy:

Lol okay you're killing it

That's all you say?

cornelboy:

There's must be a cause for that. Normally a woman possess the ability to get pregnant and give birth. Same with female animals. There must be a complication somewhere.

Do the cases of abnormalities in pregnancy prove that life is without a creator?

You still don't get it.
You have been yammering about an 'Intelligent designer' for days now. How this designer creates life etc. Now I have put told you some of his babies are lethal to their mothers, and what's more, he knows the babies can kill their mothers but he still put those babies in the wombs. Now you're telling me there must be a mistake. If there is a mistake, its obviously your 'intelligent designer' that made it
Im using the 'pregnancy abnormalities' to prove one of your premises is false. And that premise is the intelligent designer

Aemmyjah:


He knows why women have difficulty in labor. Someone has brainwashed him to think that childbirth is as easy as defecating

Jesus. You really are a work of art.
I now understand what Thorrn is talking about. When you're defeated, you start throwing around all sorts of lies, hoping one would stick. Just like a dying cow spraying feces when its throat is slit

jaephoenix:

Again, did a good job of handling these bumbling sods.
See, It's rare to see cerebral females of Nairaland. Closest I have seen is 1Sharon. You're the bomb.

☺️😘

Emusan:


So you didn't watch it properly in the first place before you lied that he didn't mention divinity.



Imagine, he is DUDE to you.

Well, this exposed your first lie.



Where is the question?



But it's DIVINITY

I guess, you don't understand the meaning of DIVINITY.



And beyond any Human comprehension and Divinity.



But it's beyond your comprehension.



He didn't lie.



Everyone knows this but the point is EVOLUTION can't achieve that process.



As usual, started throwing insult because of hatred. The point is, evolution can't achieve embryo development.

I said I didn't hear it the first time. Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc. You're just quick to jump into conclusions.
Yes he's a dude, any problem?
So any phenomena that is beyond human comprehension is divinity? Are you aware formation of rainfall, lightning etc were all attributed to gods(just like you are attributing this to your own god) before science stepped in to cure us of the ignorance?
And no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy). So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me. In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6
Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.
Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.
Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.
Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Dtruthspeaker:


Yet we both know much better than you who does not even know anything beyond making sentences.

ok. If you say so

cornelboy:

Nah it's not a fallacy. Hear me again, I don't have to be religious or non religious before I reason that the universe and life couldn't have come by chance but the product of someone's intelligence.
Come to think of it, if life came by chance and not designed by someone, how come scientists with all the great knowledge available today can't create a replica of a simple living cell?
Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. You might not agree though but it wouldn't matter.

Water boils at 100°C at sea level. That's a fact. I can go to my kitchen with some simple apparatus and prove it myself that it really boils at that degree. That's a proven fact.

The evolution theory still remain a theory today. Not all scientists accept the theory. There's no prove for it but mere assumptions which I call "science myths".

You guys label believers in a God as dumb whereas you guys are as dumb as you think we are.
You believe in evolution theory just because it was written by a scientist without any solid evidence to back it up. How do you expect someone in his right mind to accept that the thumb evolved? I would rather believe that the thumb had been there all along.

Now lemme talk about "believe".
Believing in a thing or the other is part of our everyday life. It doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or not.
When you get out of bed in the morning, you have a believe that your car won't crash on the road, you believe you would come back home safely. You believe your wife wouldn't cheat on you etc.
You don't see or know all these things but you believe or trust.

Have you gone out of the earth before, is it really a sphere like science says?
Though there are obvious reasons to believe that the earth is spherical, like the rotation and revolution effects, the spherical shape of bodies like the moon or the sun, if I were to go by your logic, I would disregard all these and would only believe the earth is spherical when I leave the earth and take a picture myself.

Do you have a mind, can you see it, does it exist?

1. Why do you keep on throwing up this Special Pleading Fallacy? Who created this designer? If you said he popped up from thin air or eternal, why can't the earth be eternal?

2. Maybe you've not been reading this thread, so lemme give you the benefit of doubt. I SAID I DONT KNOW HOW THE EARTH CAME ABOUT , BUT IF YOU MUST GIVE ME YOUR EXPLANATION, BACK IT UP WITH FACT
Even if it was created, how do you know it was your favorite sky daddy?

3. As far back as 1960 when I'm sure you werent born, scientists created an artificial cell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cell#:~:text=In%20the%201960s%20Thomas%20Chang,compartments%20made%20from%20artificial%20materials.
These days human babies can even be made de novo in the lab! De novo means afresh. Those researches had to be restricted because of ethical and other issues. In fact some religious nutjobs demonstrated when it was announced.

4. Can you explain Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. ?

5. 97-99% of scientists believe in evolution. So I don't even know where you get your lies from. The overwhelming majority of biologists accept evolution. Those who know professionally the evidence for evolution cannot deny it. Scientists agree that the evolutionary origin of animals and plants is a scientific conclusion beyond reasonable doubt.
Of course there would be naysayers. Every profession has it. For example, the covid pandemic exposed the disagreement amongst medical professions. A tiny fraction of physicians believe Covid vax caused more harm than good, even though there is overwhelming evidence. Would you say Covid vax is debatable? Some also believe hydrochoroquinine (HCQ) can cure it(even though it wasn't proven).
There are even a branch of biologist known as evolution biology. Fossils back up these evolutionary points. Would you say the fossils are lies? So evolution isn't a theory, but 100% FACTS.

6. A theist that believes that Yahweh popped outta thin air, created man outta mud and woman outta a rib says evolution is a scam. Whoa. Have you studied the fossils of human ancestors? No. Yet you are sure its a scam.

7. About belief, all you said is funny.
What has all you said gotta do with your faith as a Christian?

cornelboy:

Lol everything you said and in the link only makes sense to you but not me lol.

Were is the evidence? That someone put up a story is the evidence lmfao 🤣

I believe the creator created the first pair of human with their thumbs. I'll never believe humans evolved their thumbs.
Have you see the fossils before in real life? Have you seen the fossils of humans without the thumbs? How are you sure about the accuracy of the dating? 2 millions years ago is not real lol.

What have humans evolved since then?

The bolded shows you don't even understand the evolution of the thumb. We never said humans didn’t have thumbs. We said it evolved. Meaning it wasn't like this before

jaephoenix:

So who created 'god'?

See the intelligence I always said you lacked?

You asked about proof of God, I answered and now because you have nothing to say, you left the post to go to an imaginative issue. And you think you are more intelligent than a kindergarten child.

jaephoenix:

Lol. And she has kicked you in the butt once again for being daft. Kudos

Says the fool wearing coke bottties for gllasses.

jaephoenix:

The bolded shows you don't even understand the evolution of the thumb. We never said humans didn’t have thumbs. We said it evolved. Meaning it wasn't like this before

Oh shape shifting 🙃

Dtruthspeaker:


See the intelligence I always said you lacked?

You asked about proof of God, I answered and now because you have nothing to say, you left the post to go to an imaginative issue. And you think you are more intelligent than a kindergarten child.

You clearly wrote there something cannot create itself. So with that premise, who created god? If u say he cannot be created, why do you think the earth can be created?

Dtruthspeaker:


Says the fool wearing coke bottties for gllasses.

… and you resort to abuse when you're clearly caught out

cornelboy:

Oh shape shifting 🙃

Have you ever looked at me skulls of ancient humans like Homo Erectus etc? Do they look like ours (Homo Sapiens)? Would you call it shape shifting?

jaephoenix:

Good. You would ignore it. Why?

Not just good, next time read carefully and stop misrepresenting or deliberately misunderstanding me.
i will ignore it because it is none of my business; in other words, i don't care. It is of no value, relevance, or advantage to me if he did anything to the moon. Why would i engage in a baseless and useless argument over nothing? i am more than satisfied with what i have.

Aemmyjah:


I dropped points that are easily understood by everyone

Dropping points isn't a big deal. I readily understood your points. What matters is the establishment of the the validity or objective correctness of those points. In this case, it seems as though you're more concerned with rhetorical assertions than actually engaging in a bidirectional conversation. You have continuously failed to offer any sort of credible defense to your acclaimed points. You can't expect to publish a post like this on a public forum and expect people to gobble up your shite without the tiniest bit of skepticism.

The Bible unlike the books you mentioned is not a myth

The Bible itself isn't a myth. It's a tangible collection of old texts. I would prefer to call it a historical fiction document in the same vein as Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter which isn't that much different from a myth since they both share one thing in common - the events written in them are entirely fictional. That being said, using the Bible as proof that God exists is problematic because the Bible itself makes the same claim in rhetorical fashion.

as places people, events mentioned in it as historical.

Abraham Lincoln, one of the foremost presidents of the USA was the titular character in the Vampire Hunter book mentioned above, and he hunted vampires. So I guess going by your logic, vampires have been proven to exist?

What is says regarding science like the, the law of gravity, DNA, shape of the Earth and the earth not been supported by anything is accurate even when science and the common people were saying something different.

This paragraph in particular is the most nonsensical arrangement of words you've stringed together since you started this unfortunate thread, and that's not a mean feat. How did you measure the accuracy of the Bible's claims to determine that they were correct even in instances where SCIENCE is "saying something different" according to you?

The fact that you claim to agree with basic scientific concepts - not because of science itself but because of your holy book of fairy tales is biggest indicator that you have brainwashed effectively by your religious leaders, to the point of intellectual handicap.

You mentioned the law of gravity
>>> I don't see what's impressive about the writers of the Bible knowing about gravity. Even animals knew about gravity. Sadly, knowing about something is not synonymous with having an understanding for it. The Greeks of Thales school in Miletus had a theory of atoms due to Democritus which proposed that things were made of atoms, most of whose natural motion was toward the enter of world (the knew the Earth was a sphere). Aristotle also used this "natural motion" theory applied to different substances. It wasn’t until Galileo and Newton that there was any real theory of gravity. Newton's great contribution was not only that he gave a mathematical formula for gravity, he realized that the same thing that makes an apple fall on Earth is what makes the planets move around the Sun. Before Newton, it was commonly assumed that the Earth was imperfect and corrupt and that above the dome of the stars was a different world of perfection. Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for teaching that the stars were other worlds like ours when Galileo was 36yrs old and 42yrs before Newton was born. SCIENCE established the universal law of gravity.

You mentioned DNA
>>> The claim that the Bible talks about the DNA is inaccurate and misleading. The Bible mostly focused on inheritance, lines of inheritance and genealogies. DNA is chemical nomenclature. The idea of "genes" as something that could be inherited preceded the knowledge that a particular chemical compound called DNA was the substrate that made genes possible. The writers of the Bible didn't understand it to that extent. It was SCIENCE that established the concept of the DNA.

You mentioned the shape and position of the earth
>>> I find it interesting that you highlight this because not only is the Bible rife with contradictory assertions pertaining to the Earth's shape, it also notes in several passages that sun moves about a stationary earth - a claim that has been established to be an outright falsehood.

You're walking on very thin ice if you seriously think you can just undermine the reliability and/or achievements of the scientific method because you only care about the stories told in your religious text.

What it predicted about the future was accurate and happened.

Okay. Then go ahead and give examples of such predictions. I triple dare you. And by examples I don't mean the typical post hoc rationalization you religious fanatics are accustomed to. Give me examples of detailed and specific predictions in the Bible that have come to pass. They should not be vague or ambiguous.

Before you mention other books, investigate them to see if they have such characteristics

Brushing aside the fact that they are actually inaccurate, the acclaimed "characteristics" you are hoisting up here as definitive proof of the Bible's validity are ultimately nothing more than your subjective preferences. There are a plethora of religions out there that lay claim to more depth and/or capacity for enlightenment than Christianity. Other prominent religions including Islam, Hinduism etc have their own peculiar selling points which they believe makes their religion superior to yours.

Hell, even within Christianity, the story of creation as described by the Gnostics is more scientifically accurate than the Orthodox version (story of Genesis)!

The universe is a wonder of design, order, organization.

I will ask again for the umpteenth time: how do you recognize design?

Olodo like you, poor debater like you says there are instances where universe does not show orderliness. If yu go to a house and see that some parts of it are not in order,you'll conclude the house had no builder.

Your analogy is irrelevant and baseless given that a typical house does not share the same properties with our known universe. Yet another demonstration of your complete cluelessness as pertaining to the debate.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show me (1) how you measure or recognize design, and (2) how order in the universe proves only the existence of the Christian deity YHWH, as opposed to the existence of Zeus, Brahma, Ahura Mazda etc

Poor, low IQ individual. With this kind of thinking, you're passing judgment on me?

Publish the results na

You mean the results about atheists having meaningful lives? I don't have to. Pew Research already published it half a decade ago. But I understand - you were too busy learning about talking snakes in Sunday School.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/12/06/10-facts-about-atheists/

Open that link and give it a good read when you're chanced. But I'd advise you to bring along a box of tissues so that you can at least weep in a dignified manner.

If your own reverse brain tells you that everything ij the Natural world came to be by a mindless process, it is your own problem.

If you can't provide the quote where I made the assertion @bold even after multiple requests, then I wonder what your true motives are in this discussion. Did Jesus die so that you can tell treacherous lies on his behalf?

If you reject the that everything including life has no designer, you should accept that your existence is really meaningless, useless and purposeless and without direction or hope.

That's not how logic works, unfortunately. And based on the Pew Research article cited earlier, it is safe to say that you are, in fact, out of touch with the reality itself. Not that I'm surprised. After all you've implicitly admitted in this very post that you are all too willing to throw facts and reason into the garbage as long as they are not in congruence with your infantile beliefs. Your shamelessness is beyond human understanding.

What I mentioned is not directed towards Christians.

I see. So I'm guessing you were targeting non-believers in your OP? Well then, as an atheist, permit me to give you a little hint in the future when next you come across a non-believer: if you want to prove to a non-believer that God/s exist, you'd have much better luck if you didn't present the Bible as your primary evidence. What you'll need is objective, independent and empirical evidence to establish the existence of any gods to a non-believer.

Religious people do not reject the existence of the Creator.

Yes, and water is wet.

I presented extra biblical points.

Make up your mind, genius. Are you using the Bible as the basis for your arguments or not? You can't claim the Bible has THE answer to the question of God's existence and then allude to "extra biblical" evidence in the same breath. Are the answers in the Bible or not? Are your arguments true because they are accurate, or because they're in the Bible?

If you attack me for saying that God exists when we perceive what is made, what then is your own argument?

Why must I have a counter argument? Your own argument does not need my counter argument to stand on its own two feet. If it does, then it never merited any consideration in the first place.

Abi na your Papa I suppose credit?

Maybe! My dad might have indeed created the universe .

Stop reasoning from your bottom

Better to reason with my bottom than to not reason at all.

jaephoenix:

Jesus. You really are a work of art.
I now understand what Thorrn is talking about. When you're defeated, you start throwing around all sorts of lies, hoping one would stick. Just like a dying cow spraying feces when its throat is slit

Sounds like a rap verse when read out loud .

jaephoenix:

If you are truly a female, then this is the smartest female character on Nairaland. And I'm not a sexist.
I couldn't have handled the argument better than you

Ha. Please don't. I'm no more intelligent than you. I just love taking my time to rebut their inane statements when I get the chance. It's the dimwittedness of people like Aemmyjah that makes us look like geniuses .

jaephoenix:

He kept on making wild claim lies about me so much I answered him 3 times and subsequently kept quiet anytime he says the bullshyt

These guys don't realize how stupid they look or sound when they resort to desperate tactics like lying or handwaving obvious facts. They're not interested in truth, they just want to win arguments.

Image123:


Not just good, next time read carefully and stop misrepresenting or deliberately misunderstanding me.
i will ignore it because it is none of my business; in other words, i don't care. It is of no value, relevance, or advantage to me if he did anything to the moon. Why would i engage in a baseless and useless argument over nothing? i am more than satisfied with what i have.

Ok. That's the same way I feel. I shouldn't have engaged you. So I'm sorry for asking you to prove soul and spirit exists.
Promise to ignore your posts

Dtruthspeaker:


Clearly I do know God is Real and most certainly exists and my first proof is simply on the ground that it is seen and clearly proven that it is impossible for a thing in this world to create itself.

Sounds like a non-sequitur to me. How does something not having the capacity to create itself provide conclusive proof that God exists?

Going by your logic, God must have been created by something then?

jaephoenix:

I said I didn't hear it the first time. Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc. You're just quick to jump into conclusions.

The truth is you lied he didn't mentioned Divinity. So accept that first.

Yes he's a dude, any problem?

Yes! The problem is, you think is like a random guy of yours on Nairaland. With that 'DUDE'

Meanwhile, this is a professor who work with a Nobel prize winner for designing MRI.

So any phenomena that is beyond human comprehension is divinity? Are you aware formation of rainfall, lightning etc were all attributed to gods(just like you are attributing this to your own god) before science stepped in to cure us of the ignorance?

So can you produce just one single sperm cell from lab without getting it from a woman?

[quotAnd no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy).[/quote]

But you can't produce the process without getting the first cells from human. Can you?

So it's still beyond your comprehension.

So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me.

It's still beyond your human comprehension.

If you disagree, produce the first sperm cell and egg cell let them become human.

In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6

Yet you could ask "Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc.?"

You're a very dishonest person.

Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.

I do.

Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.

And sperm cell and egg cell have been doing this BILLIONS TIMES, why there no appreciable changes?

Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.

And this process is beyond human comprehension

Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Even "some parts" is still a lie.

Yet you claim to be guru

How can you say human grow tails?

Anything growth means it's increasing in size.

Caudal eminence isn't growing.

Thorrn:


Ha. Please don't. I'm no more intelligent than you. I just love taking my time to rebut their inane statements when I get the chance. It's the dimwittedness of people like Aemmyjah that makes us look like geniuses .

Fools
If you belive that there was no Creator
Fine for you
But it leaves your life without meaning and purpose

jaephoenix:

Jesus. You really are a work of art.
I now understand what Thorrn is talking about. When you're defeated, you start throwing around all sorts of lies, hoping one would stick. Just like a dying cow spraying feces when its throat is slit

Your epistle is too long to read
You said that even animals know the law of gravity
There was a time when humans did not even know about the laws of gravity
When your brain is not working

jaephoenix:

Please where did SirTee15 reset his mind? I have only witnessed an interphase between the 2 on my thread and Maymann was schooling Sirtee how ChatGPT works. You really are a world renowned daft liar

Schooling who?
Did you see the conversation between him and SIRTee15 about smoke and aroma? And the historicity of Jesus?

jaephoenix:

Show me where science said it. I'm not interested in running stvpid errands for numbskulls

1. Will you pay me to show you?
Kindly check the internet

jaephoenix:

Humans made Sophia the AI. And she knows it. Does it automatically make Sophia's life meaningful? Lol

Sophia or Sophia existence has a purpose. Yes or No?

jaephoenix:

For the umpteenth time, DID YOU READ ANY OF THE POSTS AND LINKS I POSTED? YES OR NO

Oga
Drop evidence
Have you ever seen me drop links?

jaephoenix:


1. <silence>
2. I asked if you read any of the evolution links I dropped
3. What has evolution got to do with design of universe?
See I'm weary of these circular reasoning. Henceforth you'll get silence from me for these stvpid questions

1....
2. Drop something everyone can see
3. No evidence...

jaephoenix:

Biological theories were demonstrated in labs? Jesus is Lord!
So how was the Biological Theory of Crime demonstrated in your lab 😆

Natural laws and scientific theories can be demonstrated using the scientific approach? Where?
In your home?

jaephoenix:


1. I have nothing to say to this

2. You obviously have difficulty understanding genetics. And you say you're a biologist. I wont go through that stress again. If I tell you my hospital, you would first put up your International passport here.
And yes, put up that thread on family section and tag known doctors on Nairaland, and me. Idiotta

1. Olodo

2. Ask your wife or mum if labor was easy. Quacko

jaephoenix:

<silence>

Nothing to say
Is your life a product of mindless process?