Aemmyjah:


Why do I think?

Although we exist,is there really a universe?

cornelboy:

Did you harm your mother?

You de ask person wey no get sense?

jaephoenix:


1. Why do you keep on throwing up this Special Pleading Fallacy? Who created this designer? If you said he popped up from thin air or eternal, why can't the earth be eternal?

2. Maybe you've not been reading this thread, so lemme give you the benefit of doubt. I SAID I DONT KNOW HOW THE EARTH CAME ABOUT , BUT IF YOU MUST GIVE ME YOUR EXPLANATION, BACK IT UP WITH FACT
Even if it was created, how do you know it was your favorite sky daddy?

3. As far back as 1960 when I'm sure you werent born, scientists created an artificial cell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cell#:~:text=In%20the%201960s%20Thomas%20Chang,compartments%20made%20from%20artificial%20materials.
These days human babies can even be made de novo in the lab! De novo means afresh. Those researches had to be restricted because of ethical and other issues. In fact some religious nutjobs demonstrated when it was announced.

4. Can you explain Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. ?

5. 97-99% of scientists believe in evolution. So I don't even know where you get your lies from. The overwhelming majority of biologists accept evolution. Those who know professionally the evidence for evolution cannot deny it. Scientists agree that the evolutionary origin of animals and plants is a scientific conclusion beyond reasonable doubt.
Of course there would be naysayers. Every profession has it. For example, the covid pandemic exposed the disagreement amongst medical professions. A tiny fraction of physicians believe Covid vax caused more harm than good, even though there is overwhelming evidence. Would you say Covid vax is debatable? Some also believe hydrochoroquinine (HCQ) can cure it(even though it wasn't proven).
There are even a branch of biologist known as evolution biology. Fossils back up these evolutionary points. Would you say the fossils are lies? So evolution isn't a theory, but 100% FACTS.

6. A theist that believes that Yahweh popped outta thin air, created man outta mud and woman outta a rib says evolution is a scam. Whoa. Have you studied the fossils of human ancestors? No. Yet you are sure its a scam.

7. About belief, all you said is funny.
What has all you said gotta do with your faith as a Christian?

Scientists created an artificial cell?
Who or what then do they represent?
Purposeful design (Creator) or mindless process (accident)
You see where common sense has failed you

HellVictorinho6:




Although we exist,is there really a universe?

I don't know
What do you think?

HellVictorinho6:



Although we exist,is there really a universe?

Everything we see could be called the universe right?
There are probably other places scientists haven't found yet.

Aemmyjah:



I don't know
What do you think?

First,malaria wants to kill me.

I cant count how often i have had to take malaria drugs.

am tired of the drugs but just tired of other things too

As for the universe, i say no cuz u dont define something by trying to establish the impossibility of knowing anything apart from it even if you call it everything instead of nothing.

U can only define when u associate something with something else which is a part of its definition in words but never becuz u are part of anything to be called everything in existence.


To exist does not even mean anything at all until we give it a meaning that only we must use.

to exist is made of
to exist until we start performing how we give meaning.
such drama is also meaningless unless we give it meaning.




We just exist...even the meaning u give to typing just exists..as 4 me, my eyes are getting hard to keep open again.

Malaria or typhoid or dependence on those high fever drugs may kill me at anytime 4rm now.

4 how long is this gonna continue?

cornelboy:

Everything we see could be called the universe right?
There are probably other places scientists haven't found yet.

we see does not mean we are always in control.

thats why we die in so many ways

u could even be crushed 2 death like a chicken on the road 2moro

diseases and poverty

people depressed till suicide


even the phone you are holding can make u do things that scientists cant explain

we dont specifically know whats going on in ur head

yeah,bio chemical reactions can be discussed but we cant really say how u feel inside at a time until we purposefully MONITOR UR STEPS at a time too

We are not into ALL WE SEE

We are into or we exist AND WE ALSO SEE

WE ALSO SEE is also drama

whether we see or not,drama continues.

drama is a continuity

there is no ALL WE SEE


We see NON STOP if we really see

We are into NON STOP or drama

So we cant really determine how much we know at a time

Neither is what we know at a time how much we can determine



to exist is drama or a continuity that is made of no explanation

that u exist has no explanation

biology does not explain it

biology only means certain people take certain notes about it

biology does not mean u should have come into existence at all,neither does it mean u should still be alive.

religion or spiritual stuff aint gonna do shit either

so we have to bear it or enjoy it
or maybe i should write a rap song about ur existence

why call urself a boy with female in ur moniker?
for a toy?
damn!
spits further!


back 2 the topic

what else?

HellVictorinho6:


First,malaria wants to kill me.

I cant count how often i have had to take malaria drugs.

am tired of the drugs but just tired of other things too

As for the universe, i say no cuz u dont define something by trying to establish the impossibility of knowing anything apart from it even if you call it everything instead of nothing.

U can only define when u associate something with something else which is a part of its definition in words but never becuz u are part of anything to be called everything in existence.


To exist does not even mean anything at all until we give it a meaning that only we must use.

to exist is made of
to exist until we start performing how we give meaning.
such drama is also meaningless unless we give it meaning.




We just exist...even the meaning u give to typing just exists..as 4 me, my eyes are getting hard to keep open again.

Malaria or typhoid or dependence on those high fever drugs may kill me at anytime 4rm now.

4 how long is this gonna continue?

Ok, you are just confused amd looking for someone to share your confusion

HellVictorinho6:




Although we exist,is there really a universe?

Yes

HellVictorinho6:


we see does not mean we are always in control.

thats why we die in so many ways

u could even be crushed 2 death like a chicken on the road 2moro

diseases and poverty

people depressed till suicide


even the phone you are holding can make u do things that scientists cant explain

we dont specifically know whats going on in ur head

yeah,bio chemical reactions can be discussed but we cant really say how u feel inside at a time until we purposefully MONITOR UR STEPS at a time too

We are not into ALL WE SEE

We are into or we exist AND WE ALSO SEE

WE ALSO SEE is also drama

whether we see or not,drama continues.

drama is a continuity

there is no ALL WE SEE


We see NON STOP if we really see

We are into NON STOP or drama

So we cant really determine how much we know at a time

Neither is what we know at a time how much we can determine



to exist is drama or a continuity that is made of no explanation

that u exist has no explanation

biology does not explain it

biology only means certain people take certain notes about it

biology does not mean u should have come into existence at all,neither does it mean u should still be alive.

religion or spiritual stuff aint gonna do shit either

so we have to bear it or enjoy it
or maybe i should write a rap song about ur existence

why call urself a boy with female in ur moniker?
for a toy?
damn!
spits further!


back 2 the topic

what else?

Lol

Aemmyjah:


Ok, you are just confused amd looking for someone to share your confusion

What is you are just how?

Aemmyjah:


Yes

meaning?

Emusan:


The truth is you lied he didn't mentioned Divinity. So accept that first.



Yes! The problem is, you think is like a random guy of yours on Nairaland. With that 'DUDE'

Meanwhile, this is a professor who work with a Nobel prize winner for designing MRI.



So can you produce just one single sperm cell from lab without getting it from a woman?

[quotAnd no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy).

But you can't produce the process without getting the first cells from human. Can you?

So it's still beyond your comprehension.

So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me.

It's still beyond your human comprehension.

If you disagree, produce the first sperm cell and egg cell let them become human.

In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6

Yet you could ask "Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc.?"

You're a very dishonest person.

Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.

I do.

Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.

And sperm cell and egg cell have been doing this BILLIONS TIMES, why there no appreciable changes?

Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.

And this process is beyond human comprehension

Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Even "some parts" is still a lie.

Yet you claim to be guru

How can you say human grow tails?

Anything growth means it's increasing in size.

Caudal eminence isn't growing.

1. I think you have a comprehension issue(which isn't surprising coming from a theist).
Someone told you he didn't hear a particular word in a long clip, then later agrees he can hear said word after re-watching the clip, and proffers reasons why he may have missed it the first time. And all you can say is he's dishonest? Really? So if you didn't hear your lecturer/friend/boss etc utter a word then you're a liar?

2. Whoever he is, he is a random dude. I can call any man a dude.
Since I'm getting to know the kind of person you are, that has poor comprehension skills and grammar paucity , I'll explain further. This is from a dictionary

dude
/d(j)uːd/
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
noun
[b]a man; a guy (often as a form of address).
"hey dude, what's up?"
[/b]
From the above, dude simply means a man. I simply called him a man, but you lost your shit about it.
Next time build up your grammar before engaging me.

3. Not only are you grammatically deficient, but scientifically, you're a thoroughbred dvnce.
Artificial spermatozoa and ova have been created https://www.science.org/content/article/making-sperm-scratch#:~:text=Embryonic%20stem%20cells%20form%20sperm%2C%20with%20a%20little%20help&text=Every%20sperm%20is%20great.,dish%2C%20scientists%20report%20this%20week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/24/science-skin-cells-create-artificial-sperm-eggs

Also artificial embryos have been made.

I suggest you get your shit together before engaging me

4. So what kind of 'appreciable changes' do you expect in fetuses since sperm and egg cells fuse to form them? U well so? There's no evolutionary changes occurring in-utero. This shows you lot don't even understand what biological evolution is. Give it a read goddammit! When you eat food and it turns to stool, would you say its an evolutionary process?

5. The processes in embryology occur via DNA coding. Evolution is not encoded.
What happens in utero is growth of a vestigial tail. This describes a remnant of a structure found in embryonic life or in ancestral forms. During the 5th to 6th week of intrauterine life, the human embryo has a tail with 10–12 vertebrae. By 8 weeks, the human tail regresses. If you know the length of a human vertebra you won't spill this rubbish. The regressed portion ends up as the coccyx or tail bone. This tail bone is a reminder that our ancestors once owned tails. And those tails got shorter and shorter as there was no more use for it, til it disappeared. Other vestigial organs that still remain are the appendix, pineal body etc.

Aemmyjah:


Schooling who?
Did you see the conversation between him and SIRTee15 about smoke and aroma? And the historicity of Jesus?

Ok. Provide screenshot of that exchange. The only interphase between them was on my thread The Book of Bible Gaffes

Aemmyjah:


1. Will you pay me to show you?
Kindly check the internet

And how much have you been paying me for providing links and evidence?

Aemmyjah:


Sophia or Sophia existence has a purpose. Yes or No?

Yes. The purpose was to serve a master. So what is your point?

Aemmyjah:


Oga
Drop evidence
Have you ever seen me drop links?

Ok. I see you love dodging reality. No p

Aemmyjah:

1....
2. Drop something everyone can see
3. No evidence...

You mean no one can see those links? Or do you have dyslexia?

Aemmyjah:



Natural laws and scientific theories can be demonstrated using the scientific approach? Where?
In your home?

You said most of the theories can be demonstrated in labs. And I asked you how a particular theory can be demonstrated. So go on, show me. Don't dodge

Aemmyjah:


1. Olodo

2. Ask your wife or mum if labor was easy. Quacko

1. Ok
2. Irrelevant. The ease of labor isn't the topic here. So please stick to the topic

Aemmyjah:



Nothing to say
Is your life a product of mindless process?

<silence>

Aemmyjah:


Many things I have demonstrated myself
That is why I love science cow you have to question what you learn and start working on it
Only one, we were told it to question but accept blindly - evolution

Have you examined any human fossils before?

Aemmyjah:


Olodo

Thank you

Aemmyjah:


And the ones i mentioned are not phenotypic expressions?

Please answer my question

Aemmyjah:


One who will not give credit to a purposeful designer is automatically Giving credit to mindless process

Ok

Aemmyjah:


Jaephoenix is an ignorant, arrogant clown

And quiite very stupid

Aemmyjah:


1. Stop asking me for evidence that you can search on the internet. The same way you lied that there were no links on my post on God's existence

2. Go and be reading Egyptian history na. Why did people say that Shishak and Pilate never existed either until archeologists dropped something

1. Please provide your link. I didn't lie. If I did, show me I lied by providing the link. This is the last time I'm gonna talk about this non-existent link
2. Christian logic 101: Batman mentioned Gotham City as his home. Gotham City is an actual county in New York. So Batman must be real lol 😆

Aemmyjah:


3. It was misused by some persons makes the book itself corrupt shey. The Bible changes lives of millions for the better. Which science book can do so?

4. Oga, they were not resurrected to life
Keep arguing over a book you don't acknowledge anything about.

1. You're the dumbest human liveth. Without science, would you be typing this rubbish? Would you be alive? Would you have vaccines? Would you have docs who could have saved the lives of idiotas like yours? Would you have internet, phone or electricity to power the phone youre using to type this bollocks? Are you theists always thick like this?
How does the Bible change lives? Apart from telling people to kill other people, and segregating people, what has your babble achieved?

Aemmyjah:


Valid or invalid?

Do you know what a theory is? Fake biologist?

Aemmyjah:


Olodo
And by itself, the end products included life, consciousness, intelligence, natural laws, order, organization... Even if It does by itself, why can't intelligent humans do better?

What in Hades are you yammering about?

Thorrn:

Sounds like a non-sequitur to me. How does something not having the capacity to create itself provide conclusive proof that God exists?

It's not because it is seen and proven beyond every reasonable doubt that no thing in this world created itself.

Thorrn:

Going by your logic, God must have been created by something then?

This is goal post shifting for the topic is on proof of God and not on proof that God was created.

Dtruthspeaker:


It's not because it is seen and proven beyond every reasonable doubt that no thing in this world created itself.

If nothing gets created by itself, then what created the creator?

This is goal post shifting for the topic is on proof of God and not on proof that God was created.

No goalposts were shifted. I'm perfectly in line with the conversation. You're the one who doesn't understand the implications of your argument.

I already know where you're heading with this argument, but before your next reply, I'd suggest that you acquaint yourself with a common logical fallacy called special pleading.

Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception. It is the application of a double standard.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading