dbestuncle:
What of those with bad mothers ?

All Men's mothers are good. And Men see their moms as an Angel, even if she's the general master in the coven .

These are your words

Wallade:
■ A submissive woman is
A. respectful to her husband,
B. protects her husband,
C. advice her husband,
D. prays and wish her husband well,
E. listens to her husband even when she differs in opinion;
F. she finds the best time and approach to communicate her opinion to him and trust me, he will agree with her respectfully too but if he insists, just follow through with caution.
In fact respect is the key word. He is the captain and she is the assistant captain in the home.

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Wallade:
■ I agree that these are qualities the man also needs to exhibit in relationship with his wife but the man should not be submissive to his wife, except if the wife is his boss in the work environment.

To which I then asked....

Kobojunkie:
So both man and woman have to possess and exude the same submissive qualities in order for the relationship to make sense but somehow --- here's the illogical twist--- the man is not to submit to the woman at all?

Now your response which seems to confirm that indeed the man and women are meant to submit to each other in the relationship even though you keep forcing an illogical wrench in to elevate the man above the woman, against logic.

Wallade:
A. Respectful to his wife,
B. protects his wife,
C. advice his wife,
D. prays and wish his wife well,
E(...and so on). listens to his wife even when he differs in opinion, where the difference or conflicting opinion persists, the position of the husband is binding on the wife otherwise, she has become disrespectful.
■ Submit to the leadership, authority and direction of your captain - husband. There can't be two Captains on a ship except one captain submits to be assistant of the other one. It is against the culture, religion and personality of most men to submit to his wife or woman. This. is not only applicable to Nigerian man it is applicable to men around the world. You are free to check with other men and prove me wrong

Again, your response suggests they are both to submit to each other.

2. However, you seem to insist that culture is where the irrational twist to what you stated earlier comes from. Why does this Illogical twist have to be included when it's based on the whims and opinions of entities external to the relationship?

Mayeldah:
Same way people respect their bosses in the office and can still make suggestions to the running of the office where necessary

Same way a Deputy Governor respects his boss while still contributing meaningfully to the running of the state

As a lady when the man s talking, listen. when he is angry, keep quiet. You can always make your suggestions or points or correct him respectively when he is calm and in a good mood. Don't argue unnecessarily thereby heating up the home

Ladies knows these things but wokeness makes some of them thinks doing so is tantamount to slavery

If you can't respect him, please leave him and go your way, biko!!!

These don't have anything in common with marriage.
Never use them as comparison.

Mayeldah:
■ Same way people respect their bosses in the office and can still make suggestions to the running of the office where necessary. Same way a Deputy Governor respects his boss while still contributing meaningfully to the running of the state As a lady when the man s talking, listen. when he is angry, keep quiet. You can always make your suggestions or points or correct him respectively when he is calm and in a good mood. Don't argue unnecessarily thereby heating up the home. Ladies knows these things but wokeness makes some of them thinks doing so is tantamount to slavery. If you can't respect him, please leave him and go your way, biko!!!

So marriage is business/political agreement after all, is that it? Then like businesses do, it makes absolute sense that a man should be willing to pay full value for the kind of skills/attributes he desires in his woman, right?
@Wallade, see, this guy makes more sense by insisting it should be treated more like businesses where you pay to have your wrench added to the equation rather than assert it by illogical ways such as culture or religion.

Kobojunkie:
These are your words
...
To which I then asked....
Now your response which seems to confirm that indeed the man and women are meant to submit to each other in the relationship even though you keep forcing an illogical wrench in to elevate the man above the woman, against logic.
Again, your response suggests they are both to submit to each other.

2. However, you seem to insist that culture is where the irrational twist to what you stated earlier comes from. Why does this Illogical twist have to be included when it's based on the whims and opinions of entities external to the relationship?

If you don't understand my position, ask for clarification: I never said a man should submit to his wife. I made that clear in all my posts.

Literal definition of submission - ready to conform to the authority or will of others (who deserves or earned it, including your husband); meekly obedient or passive.

Again, what is illogical about the husband being above the wife?

That is in conformity with our culture; that also agrees with the personality of a man. Ultimately, that is God's plan for marriage. Marriage was conceptualized and created by God and the man in marriage is created by God to be above his wife.

You and some perverted folks are the ones trying to change the narratives and project your new kind of marriage which is unacceptable to the majority of the men out there and God almighty.

Tommydare:
This is a fight you can't win. You can continue looking for a man that will be doing 50-50 with you but one thing is for sure, you won't see any. He might pretend in the beginning, but he will later show his true color and if you are
not submissive, he won't think twice before marrying another wife. It's a win for him in the end and the woman lose in the end. There are thousands of women out there looking for who to marry them. Harrysong just married 30 ladies recently. You ain't going to achieve anything in marriage with a feministic mentality. It will never work. Unless you no wan marry. Even if you no marry, so far u dey relationship with a man, you can't get 50-50. The best way is to avoid men and that is if you can. Those elderly women that are submissive ain't fools

Why are you now shouting, and most importantly, who are you scaring with these half-baked fear tactics? 😂

What exactly is responsible for the acidic burn in your tommy over my relationship choices or otherwise? What is living in your stomach that's making you blurt all these assumptions about me? Where did I even talk about 50-50 on this thread??

Ahhh, now I know you're sniffing some shxt. "Harrysong just married 30 women" 🤡. Ohhh, I feel so threatened 😭😭. Who would ever want my feminist ass? 😧

Disrespectfully get the hell out of my mentions, dude.

Wallade:
■ If you don't understand my position, ask for clarification: I never said a man should submit to his wife. I made that clear in all my posts. Literal definition of submission - ready to conform to the authority or will of others (who deserves or earned it, including your husband); meekly obedient or passive. Again, what is illogical about the husband being above the wife?
■ That is in conformity with our culture; that also agrees with the personality of a man. Ultimately, that is God's plan for marriage. Marriage was conceptualized and created by God and the man in marriage is created by God to be above his wife.
■ You and some perverted folks are the ones trying to change the narratives and project your new kind of marriage which is unacceptable to the majority of the men out there.

1. A man should have the same responsibilities towards the wife that a submissive woman should equally have towards her husband implying both are to submit to each other. However, you then argue, illogically, that the man is not to submit but to assert himself above the woman in an unexplained twist which you blame on culture and religion, both of them known to be illogical in orientation.

2. Again, Culture and religion are both illogical constructs. If you intend to add that bit regardless, why should you be allowed that privilege? Please stop mentioning God abeg! I expect you to try to use your brain here.

3. Stop rambling and focus abeg! Why should a man who you indicate should exude the very same submissive factors that a submissive woman ought to not be expected to equally submit to the woman?

Kobojunkie:
So marriage is business/political agreement after all, is that it? Then like businesses do, it makes absolute sense that a man should be willing to pay full value for the kind of skills/attributes he desires in his woman, right?
@Wallade, see, this guy makes more sense by insisting it should be treated more like businesses where you pay to have your wrench added to the equation rather than assert it by illogical ways such as culture or religion.

If I have to pay, full, half or whatever value, for the kind of skills or attributes I desire in a woman that I married, then she is not different from a prostitute.

That is not a wife, that woman is a prostitute and yes, she deserves to be paid in full for her skills.

Culture and religion may sound illogical to you but I am so sure that you are not a product of lab experiments or natural man made activities. There is somethings or a lot of things Godly about the existence and creation of you and the perverts that desperately want to change the narrative of marriage.

Why do you want to disregard religion and culture to push, support and buttress your narratives?

Kobojunkie:
1. A man should have the same responsibilities towards the wife that a submissive woman should equally have towards her husband implying both are to submit to each other. However, you then argue, illogically, that the man is not to submit but to assert himself above the woman in an unexplained twist which you blame on culture and religion, both of them known to be illogical in orientation.

2. Again, Culture and religion are both illogical constructs. If you intend to add that bit regardless, why should you be allowed that privilege? Please stop mentioning God abeg! I expect you to try to use your brain here.

3. Stop rambling and focus abeg! Why should a man who you indicate should exude the very same submissive factors that a submissive woman ought to not be expected to equally submit to the woman?

Again, permit me to correct you: a wife should be submissive to her husband but the husband should not be submissive to his wife.

He can respect, adore, protect, love and project her but never be submissive to her. It is unacceptable and unconventional.

Where a man is submissive to his wife, disaster is waiting to happen when the man realizes who he is: a lion tamed and relegated by a she-goat.

Wallade:
■ Again, permit me to correct you: a wife should be submissive to her husband but the husband should not be submissive to his wife. He can respect, adore, protect, love and project her but never be submissive to her. It is unacceptable and unconventional. Where a man is submissive to his wife, disaster is waiting to happen when the man realizes who he is: a lion tamed by a she-goat.

I see this is all about preprogramming and nothing more!

Kobojunkie:
I see this is all about preprogramming and nothing more!

Please tell us who has been writing the pre-programme or program?

Who created the concept and idea of marriage?

Do you know more about marriage than the original program writer of marriage?

Who created you, as a whole person?

Tell us!

Magnoliaa:
■ Honestly. Ask them what submission is and they'll tell you the most basic, prerequisite interpersonal qualities for a successful marriage that husband and wife should both have.

Precisely!

Kobojunkie:
Precisely!

Tell us your definition of submission or a submissive man.

Magnoliaa:


Honestly. Ask them what submission is and they'll tell you the most basic, prerequisite interpersonal qualities for a successful marriage that husband and wife should both have.

Ask them what not being submissive is and they'll describe a badly behaved woman, which is simply her temperament and that nobody, not her family or children or boss should put up with.


They'll bring the definitions of other things and be substituting it for submission.

Please tell us your definition of submission or submissive woman.

Jeon:


All Men's mothers are good. And Men see their moms as an Angel, even if she's the general master in the coven .

That is respect for mothers. The mother earned and deserves his respect.

Even if anyone will describe her as the worst mother on earth, the fact that she birthed me and raised me earned her my respect.

Albertone:
A submissive wife is the type of woman that listens to and obeys her husband as long as his wishes are not against their religion. Yes! Religion, because it's majorly religion that brought about submission

She has the right to air her opinions and bring suggestions. However, her opinions and suggestions are subject to weighing by her husband. He can use it to form his decision or not.

Imagine the husband wants A and the wife wants B, both are insisting on their stance. Who will break the tie? An outsider?
If the wife is submissive, she'll let him have his A as long as it's not going to cause her problems or discomfort.

Because God has put men as leaders, women have to pray for a husband that'll lead her family right. Men have to pray for the grace to lead his family right.

This settled it

Thread closed

Wallade:


That is respect for mothers. The mother earned and deserves his respect.

Even if anyone will describe her as the worst mother on earth, the fact that she birthed me and raised me earned her my respect.

Yeah, even if she's sucking your blood and hanging the destiny of yours or exchanging heads . She deserves it.

Respect must always be reciprocal in any marriage that is going to be successful and peaceful. Always treat her the same way you want her to treat you. Looking for her to always respect you and be submissive to you while you decide to treat her anyhow will only lead to your frustration and probably the end of your marriage. Ensure you work very hard to take good care of her and ensure you are not authoritative in nature. Let her express herself and settle every misunderstanding amicably. Treat her like a queen and never raise your voice at her or even make any attempt to talk her down or beat her. A word is enough for the wise.

Jeon:


Yeah, even if she's sucking your blood and hanging the destiny of yours. She deserves it.

Yes she deserves it - respect.

CandidAdmin:
One keeps hearing from the men on NL that they want a submissive woman. Almost every thread about relationships and marriage has that word.

Now, over to the men, what's your definition of submissive?
Is it that when you say A, she must obey and not say B?
Or she shouldn't even give her opinion at all?
Or her choices and prefrences don't matter at all just because you want something?

Men!!! Let's discuss.

Question of the day - True or false, Responsibility without Authority is Slavery?

A submissive woman is one that is LOYAL to her husband.

Albertone:
A submissive wife is the type of woman that listens to and obeys her husband as long as his wishes are not against their religion. Yes! Religion, because it's majorly religion that brought about submission She has the right to air her opinions and bring suggestions. However, her opinions and suggestions are subject to weighing by her husband. He can use it to form his decision or not.
Imagine the husband wants A and the wife wants B, both are insisting on their stance. Who will break the tie? An outsider?
If the wife is submissive, she'll let him have his A as long as it's not going to cause her problems or discomfort.
Because God has put men as leaders, women have to pray for a husband that'll lead her family right. Men have to pray for the grace to lead his family right.

There are better ways to do that than insisting it has to go the way of the one born with the extra piece of meat hanging from between his legs though. You could

▢ Consider the pros and cons of each decision and pick the one with the least risk to both parties. This is a common sense approach to resolving issues.
▢ In the case that all things are equal, then let one person have their way and the next turn will be the other persons....

This method works very well with kids and can work for adults too.

1Sharon:


Before holy books, women existed.

Yeah, she tried to play captain and plunged the whole of humanity into disaster.

Wallade:

Yes she deserves it - respect.

End of discussion.

Fortune118005:
■ A submissive woman is one that is LOYAL to her husband.

Does this loyalty go both ways or the woman is expected to be loyal to a fault?

emmyN:
■ Yeah, she tried to play captain and plunged the whole of humanity into disaster.

That is not what happened at all. Eve did not play captain since there were no captains before God cursed women in marriage.

Rather, Adam played the fool pretending he could put Eve between himself and God's Law to him. Eve also made the same mistake by placing the Snake between herself and God's Law to her. Essentially they both placed a middle-man —sin—between themselves and God's direct Law to them, and it is for this reason that God punished them both.

Kobojunkie:
That is not what happened at all. Eve did not play captain since there were no captains before God cursed women in marriage.

Rather, Adam played the fool pretending he could put Eve between himself and God's Law to him. Eve also made the same mistake by placing the Snake between herself and God's Law to her. Essentially they both placed a middle-man —sin—between themselves and God's direct Law to them, and it is for this reason that God punished them both.

She did play captain, because when she was created, her role was to be a suitable help, not being at the front, you get?

By fellowshipping with Satan she took a lead role and decided for the whole of humanity the choice pathway into divinity. Adam shared in the blame too as he acted a simpleton, but everything did start from Eve.

I guess you understand the point.

emmyN:
■ She did play captain, because when she was created, her role was to be a suitable help, not being at the front, you get?
■ By fellowshipping with Satan she took a lead role and decided for the whole of humanity the choice pathway into divinity. Adam shared in the blame too as he acted a simpleton, but everything did start from Eve. I guess you understand the point.

1. That is a foolish summation on your part. In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ introduced the Holy Spirit — the Spirit of Truth — as a Helper to those who belong to Him. Are you somehow suggesting that equally means that the Holy Spirit is meant to take a back seat in the lives of the followers of Jesus Christ?

2. Which Satan again? Why can't you people stop yourselves from using every opportunity you get to proclaim your fervor for the demons that haunt you? The story speaks of a serpent, and you already jumped to calling on Satan? Jeez!

According to the account, there was no sharing of blame to be had since they were both culpable— even the snake was held responsible for what happened. So, I am not sure why these desperate attempts to twist the story when it is not needed.

Again, Eve was Adam's equal before Eve and Adam sinned against God and remained Adam's equal even after God placed the curse on women in marriage. The curse made it appear as though they were not.

Yinkaolola:


Even if the husband is on the wrong side, he has the final say? Even if he is making an obviously wrong decision, does he also have the final say? I just want to know.

You override your boss at the office when he is taking a decision you think is not the most optimal? Or you synergize and try to rationalize a more performant approach to him?

Kobojunkie:
1. That is a foolish summation on your part. In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ introduced the Holy Spirit — the Spirit of Truth — as a Helper to those who belong to Him. Are you somehow suggesting that equally means that the Holy Spirit is meant to take a back seat in the lives of the followers of Jesus Christ?

2. Which Satan again? Why can't you people stop yourselves from using every opportunity you get to proclaim your fervor for the demons that haunt you? The story speaks of a serpent, and you already jumped to calling on Satan? Jeez!

According to the account, there was no sharing of blame to be had since they were both culpable— even the snake was held responsible for what happened. So, I am not sure why these desperate attempts to twist the story when it is not needed.

Again, Eve was Adam's equal before Eve and Adam sinned against God and remained Adam's equal even after God placed the curse on women in marriage. The curse made it appear as though they were not.

Kobojunkie, you are always angry, I don't know what your problem is. It's easy for you to engage me and when I responded you would dismiss it as a "foolish summation".

Eve was not Adam's equal. If you think so, you are likely making it up as it wasn't documented that way. God created Adam, made him Lord over the earth and had him exercise that authority by naming the beasts and all the creatures. Adam named Eve too!

You are wasting your precious time.

This thread was directed at Men to discuss their ideas of submission.

3rd wave feminists hijacked it and are striving hard to convince themselves that they are right.

There is nothing to be gained from arguing with a third wave feminist.

They are creatures with broken wings that are bitter that they cannot fly.

What they are yet to realise was that they were the ones who broke their own wings and they are the only ones who can fix them.

Every single one of them has submitted to a flawed authority figure of either sex at one time or the other in their life.

It may have been Dad or Mum, it may have been elder sibling, it may have been a teacher or lecturer, it may have been a boss or leader.

Each and everyone of them submitted to a flawed human at one time or another and most of them are still submitting to a boss or the like.

So you would have thought they would find no issue with submitting to a husband.

But the Evil one has stirred up the exact same thoughts that made him rebel against God.

The One who was called MorningStar looked at the hierarchical structure and felt that he would serve himself by restructuring it with himself at the top.

The exact same thing which all 3rd wave feminists are unwittingly attempting to duplicate.

Patriarchy is evil they scream.

All is an attempt to replace it with Matriarchy.

Alas like their father, they have also been cast down to earth where like him they are free to do as much damage as God has permitted to His divine order.

But what they find out at the end like an episode of Tales of the Unexpected or Black Mirror is that they have done much more damage to themselves and their kids than they have to Men in general.

Go to Tik Tok and watch women who earn over $80,000 a year weeping profusely because no high value man will accept them.

Lucifer said "I will ascend"

But in the end he fell.

Remember he started off his deception with Eve with the words. *Has God said..."

The very same thing that some of them are doing right here.

Twisting the scriptures for gullible younger women to fall from grace like themselves.

We that are watching know what is happening and can confirm the truth of the words that in every con, if you can't identify the sucker, then the sucker is you.

There are many women out there.

The 3rd Wave Feminists have made it much easier for a sensible man to identify a wife in a world where we no longer marry based on carefully arranged marriages.

I salute all men and all submissive women.

Long may we enjoy marriage.

Wallade:


That is respect for mothers. The mother earned and deserves his respect.

Even if anyone will describe her as the worst mother on earth, the fact that she birthed me and raised me earned her my respect.

emmyN:
■ Eve was not Adam's equal. If you think so, you are likely making it up as it wasn't documented that way. God created Adam, made him Lord over the earth and had him exercise that authority by naming the beasts and all the creatures. Adam named Eve too!

Look.... these things no be by mouth abeg!!!

There is no evidence they were not created Equals, none in Scripture. Eve was cloned from the same root as Adam Himself meaning they had pretty much the same essence down to their very DNA. Even your claim that as a Helper, she was made his subordinate makes no scriptural sense given that the other Helper whom the same God gave to man occupies a superior post over man. So, please, stop the sickening attempts at pinning your closemindedness on God. It is really disgusting!

Kobojunkie:
Look.... these things no be by mouth abeg!!!

There is no evidence they were not created Equals, none in Scripture. Eve was cloned from the same root as Adam Himself meaning they had pretty much the same essence down to their very DNA. Even your claim that as a Helper, she was made his subordinate makes no scriptural sense given that the other Helper whom the same God gave to man occupies a superior post over man. So, please, stop the sickening attempts at pinning your closemindedness on God. It is really disgusting!

Lol, enough, let's not derail the thread any further. Stop being unnecessarily angry though, it would help.