Matinox:
■ I've seen a number of threads regarding the issue of genotype in relationships and the overwhelming response & criticism that follows. It's sickening to read through and realize that believers also share the same medical sentiments and quickly clamp down on anyone asking such questions. I have a question...
Can God heal HIV? If your answer is yes;
Then, can God change a genotype?
I don't know if anyone here has been discouraged by reading some of these comments, and your Godly relationships is threatened. I have just one question for you and you'd be good... Did God originate your relationship? Are you in the will of God? If your answer is yes and you are sure, please and please, stay with God and don't listen to anything else that speaks against what God has said to you.
■ . God is still in the business of the supernatural! If you have stories of victories in this regard, kindly share, let's strengthen the soul of each other and hold the fort. Blessings and Peace!

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as a "Godly Relationship". God washed His hands off marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16 and reiterated in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 that your marriages/Relationships are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God. So, unless you believe God is a liar and changes His mind to please you, then dead that idea that your relationship was somehow originated from God. The first and last relationship of that kind was Adam and Eve's and we all know that ended with God completely removing His hands from it all.

2. Even unbelievers are recorded to have experienced the exact same only they tend to be more honest about how it all came about than those who flood your altars with half-truth testimonies. The fast is is any AS couple going in does so believing in chance. Those of them in your churches who ended up with SS children, una no go take eye look at all, and dem plenty.

Commonsense would be to allow God heal you before you then plunge into marriage and childbearing. If God has yet to heal you as an AS, it would be nothing short of wickedness for you to leave the health of your kids up to chance.

Matinox:
Greetings guys.

If you are not a believer, kindly stay out of this thread and take your logical sentiments elsewhere.

However if you want to be blessed by serving Jesus, and experience the victories of His faith, read on!

I've seen a number of threads regarding the issue of genotype in relationships and the overwhelming response & criticism that follows. It's sickening to read through and realize that believers also share the same medical sentiments and quickly clamp down on anyone asking such questions.

I have a question...
Can God heal HIV?
If your answer is yes;
Then, can God change a genotype?

I don't know if anyone here has been discouraged by reading some of these comments, and your Godly relationships is threatened. I have just one question for you and you'd be good...

Did God originate your relationship? Are you in the will of God?

If your answer is yes and you are sure, please and please, stay with God and don't listen to anything else that speaks against what God has said to you.

We have read of ladies who got married without a womb and had children...
We have read of couples who got married as AS, remained AS after the marriage and had Children who were born with AA as genotype.

God is still in the business of the supernatural!

If you have stories of victories in this regard, kindly share, let's strengthen the soul of each other and hold the fort.

Blessings and Peace!

Mvnster:
Mr op stop leading people astray with your emotional jargon, your bible tells you people perish because of lack of knowledge, and not because of lack of faith or prayers.
It is plain evil to advise people to ignore simple medical advice because you think you have faith. If you are hit down by a fast moving car while crossing the road and you are bleeding you wont rush to a church to pray will you? Or you dont believe God can miraculously stop the bleeding and pains without medical efforts
God did not create with a brain for fancy, without our God given brains the devil would have finished us all by now, medical knowledge in its own is Gods special gift to save us, so its aleeady a miracle as it is, so we should not ignore it in the name of blind faith.
You will never hear anyone come to the alter to testify when this blind faith you preach causes more harm.

TenQ:

I believe in miracles and God still does Miracles in our time
BUT
1. How are you sure that the AS couple you are advising have the necessary Faith to actualize their miracle?
2. What if God decides to use the AS couple you are advising as part of the Cloud of Witness (who despite their faith do not receive but is accounted to them as righteousness)?
Heb 11:13:
"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth."


Will you fast and pray with them?
Will you be there to support them financially and medically?

3. Do you have the gift of healing with proven record and experience of healing SS anemia patients?



You may be able to have such kinds of faith for YOURSELF but don't make it a general rule for other believers. This is the lesson here:
God Heals, God Recreates and God Restores but no one has the power to Direct God, His time or Purpose.

Matinox:


You are one of those who will stroll through the bible to get a scripture & force it to satisfy the philosophies in your heart.

Who told you that 'My people perish for lack of knowledge' refers to knowledge in the secular, and logic and human wisdom?

Knowing God by faith is the one absolute truth that sets free!

It is those who do KNOW THEIR GOD, that will be strong & do exploits!

If you don't know God, stay with your logic and medical advise, you are right by saying it's God's gift to you, but there is more, there is provision for perfect health in scripture. Did you know this?

I repeat again, if you don't know God and don't know your Bible, this thread is not for you!

I end with this as a recap, there is nothing on earth, INSTITUTED by God, that can be stopped by human limitations, let alone medical, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Emphasis on the word instituted

The challenge hereafter is believers begin something in the flesh and later want to commit it to God to handle, especially when they arrive at a cross road that science can no longer help them, that's not God's way of the Kingdom.

For faith to triumph through a sojourning, God must be the source, He must be at the very beginning, once you have God, there's no stopping you!

Mvnster:

Is God the source of your faith or your own selfisness? Please if you are sick dont take drugs, pray for God to heal you lets see how it would end, since you think using our God given brain/knowledge is lack of faith.

Matinox:
Greetings guys.

If you are not a believer, kindly stay out of this thread and take your logical sentiments elsewhere.

However if you want to be blessed by serving Jesus, and experience the victories of His faith, read on!

I've seen a number of threads regarding the issue of genotype in relationships and the overwhelming response & criticism that follows. It's sickening to read through and realize that believers also share the same medical sentiments and quickly clamp down on anyone asking such questions.

I have a question...
Can God heal HIV?
If your answer is yes;
Then, can God change a genotype?

I don't know if anyone here has been discouraged by reading some of these comments, and your Godly relationships is threatened. I have just one question for you and you'd be good...

Did God originate your relationship? Are you in the will of God?

If your answer is yes and you are sure, please and please, stay with God and don't listen to anything else that speaks against what God has said to you.

We have read of ladies who got married without a womb and had children...
We have read of couples who got married as AS, remained AS after the marriage and had Children who were born with AA as genotype.

God is still in the business of the supernatural!

If you have stories of victories in this regard, kindly share, let's strengthen the soul of each other and hold the fort.

Blessings and Peace!

Mvnster:

Is God the source of your faith or your own selfisness? Please if you are sick dont take drugs, pray for God to heal you lets see how it would end, since you think using our God given brain/knowledge is lack of faith.

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as a "Godly Relationship". God washed His hands off marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16

and reiterated in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 that your marriages/Relationships are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God.

So, unless you believe God is a liar and changes His mind to please you, then dead that idea that your relationship was somehow originated from God.

The first and last relationship of that kind was Adam and Eve's and we all know that ended with God completely removing His hands from it all.

Commonsense would be to allow God heal you before you then plunge into marriage and childbearing. If God has yet to heal you as an AS, it would be nothing short of wickedness for you to leave the health of your kids up to chance.

jaephoenix:

So you're saying prayers don't work?

Emusan:


This is Gen 3:16 'Then he said to the woman, “I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”

Where did God say He has washed His hands off marriage?



But it doesn't mean God still not have hands in marriage.



Provide where God said He has washed His hands off marriage from the scripture first.

Then we will know who needs to dead the false idea.



Support this with scripture.



Well said!

Mvnster:


What do you understand by "don't put the Lord your God to the Test"?
Prayers wont work where God already made a provision which one refuse to rely on by claiming to follow faith.

Matinox:


Show me in my previous text where I made this notion. Arrive at understanding before you reply incoherently.

jaephoenix:

Which provision did Yahweh make?

Mvnster:


It's sickening to read through and realize that believers also share the same medical sentiments



What exactly does this rubbish you put out there mean? Because one is a believer he should put aside whatever medical advice there is and hold on to faith right? Ive given you my own advice too, when you are ill or you get hit by a car do not go to a hospital, sit at home and pray in faith.

Matinox:
■ You don't know Jesus

Kobojunkie:
And you believe you do even as you use Jesus Christ as reason to encourage foolishness and ultimately wickedness in others?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all we need to know what God's said about we humans in general:

All (mankind) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 2:23

This means we aren't fit to fulfil what God said in the beginning in a perfect sense when God said:

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

After Adam sinned the highlighted in blue has been removed henceforth we have to be extra careful when doing certain things.
You can't just choose someone and marry him or her simply because both of you are good friends otherwise you have to sacrifice other things you may like due to the love you have for such a person.

Genotype shouldn't have been a problem at all if mankind is not under the curse of Adamic sin {Romans 5:12} we could have walked up to anyone we choose and start a happy family.


As regards what God can do He never promise mankind a solution to our problems now so all our problems will be solved when His kingdom come {Matthew 6:9-10} what we need now is try to cope with whatever situation we find ourselves the assurance is there that Christ Jesus has paid for our sin so when the richly blessing is here we will have all our heart desires! John 16:33

Matinox:
■ It is foolishness if Jesus was not in the beginning of the relationship. But if Jesus was with you both from the beginning, then it is foolishness and death to people like you, but Glory and Faith to those who believe their God and knows that he makes all things beautiful in it's time!

Matinox:


You must grow to accept the will of God as sovereign, for this is the way of the Kingdom. The father rewards those who obey His Will.

If God's will for you is to marry an AS person, so that it will be counted for you as righteousness (using your reference), my brother you better bury your head there and obey God, don't think of dodging, in God's will is his absolute and most treasured reward!

The problem is many of your pastors have thought you that once you are a Christian, you won't suffer, suffering is not for you, but this is a lie! Check your Bible again. You don't have the choice of avoiding the WILL of God because it will be an unpleasant suffering, or because medical advise says no to you. You can decide to avoid that path, you'll walk in disobedience thereafter, you can be forgiven, but you'll lose the reward.

Imagine if Abraham did not believe God he'll have a son, even after being stricken with an old age. Scripture says he did not consider the deadness of Sarah's Womb. Which doctor will allow you to give birth at Sarah's age in that dispensation?

If you don't have Faith to stay through what God has said to you, it's up to you! You can abort! It's between you and God. It doesn't change the truth of the gospel, don't allow the systems of this world and philosophies, water down the principles of God's Kingdom. We must keep encouraging believers who have heard God on a matter, to proceed holding on the Faith in the WORD which they heard.

If God decides that your condition will be like those who died without receiving the promise, then how great and blessed you are to stay with God till the end, for great is your recompense!

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I am not moved by meaningless religious bullsheet so don't bother spewing that trash my way.

Again, by using Jesus Christ's mention to encourage foolishness and ultimately wickedness in others, is it really your intention that we believe you know Jesus Christ?

Matinox:
■ I can clearly see that you are moved bro. It is my prayer that you will one day meet the Lord and enjoy his salvation!

TenQ:

You are misunderstanding me.
I accept the will and command of God 100%. If God directly told me to jump down from a 100 storey building, I will do it.

However, has God Commanded me so?
No!

You Matinox can do what you have asked because you are convinced it is God's will and you have the necessary faith to pull it through.

However, you cannot make such rules for others because they are not you.

As believers, we hear God differently!
As believers, we have different levels of faith!
As believers, we hear God differently!

Are we all 100% sure of God's voice when He speaks to us?
If the person you ask to exercise faith is not 100% sure the voice is hearing is that of God: have you not set him up for regret?

Let everyone relate to God at the level of their Faith.
Rom 12:6:
"Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;"


Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God.

Kobojunkie:
You mean one of your countless fruitless prayers is somehow going to grant me this to your glory? You people are so full of yourselves in your ignorance of God as you beat your chests like the pharisees before you.

MaxInDHouse:
First of all we need to know what God's said about we humans in general:

All (mankind) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 2:23

This means we aren't fit to fulfil what God said in the beginning in a perfect sense when God said:

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

After Adam sinned the highlighted in blue has been removed henceforth we have to be extra careful when doing certain things.
You can't just choose someone and marry him or her simply because both of you are good friends otherwise you have to sacrifice other things you may like due to the love you have for such a person.

Genotype shouldn't have been a problem at all if mankind is not under the curse of Adamic sin {Romans 5:12} we could have walked up to anyone we choose and start a happy family.


As regards what God can do He never promise mankind a solution to our problems now so all our problems will be solved when His kingdom come {Matthew 6:9-10} what we need now is try to cope with whatever situation we find ourselves the assurance is there that Christ Jesus has paid for our sin so when the richly blessing is here we will have all our heart desires! John 16:33

Matinox:


Beautiful! This more like it!

However kindly note that if you read my texts again, you will realize I did not with the slightest intent, create a rule for all believers to proceed with marrying whoever they want, despising biological and medical precautions.

What I addressed is that the noise around this genotype thing will make even Genuine believers who really heard God, doubt the God they heard, and most times make a ship wreck of their faith, so those were my way of saying, Brethren, once you are sure you have Jesus in your relationship boat, stay trusting and believing. If your faith cannot proceed, seek His Will and call it off if He lets you, but never place any medical or biological circumstance above the word of God! It's the way of our fathers and the patriarchs, eve old testament saints.

Blessings & Peace.

Matinox:
■ I do not seek mine Glory, rather that your salvation will be to the Glory of the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Mvnster:

If you believe there is a God that created man with intelligence then you are close enough.