I love teh NORD designs, very aggressive.

You missed local brand like Jet motor....

Exjoker:
You missed local brand like Jet motor....

Tell us more about it and share their pictures... We need to promote our own

Abeg is there anything like legit fixed matches?

obembet:


Tell us more about it and share their pictures... We need to promote our own

tolue42:


Why are you deceiving people based on what you don't know?

I'm not deceiving anyone, most of the cars from the "indigenous car manufacturers" are just rebranded cars from China. The only difference between Nigeria-branded cars and their Chinese counterparts is the logo. I know this for sure.

Blaze14k:


That comment u made can demoralise someone who has interest in buying the car. On a second note make sure u get ur facts right before any statement. Your claim is completely wrong

I'm just stating the fact, bro. I don't mean to demoralize anyone. Besides, the Chinese are making great cars. In fact, China overtook Japan this year as the top automobile-exporting country, so people are buying their vehicles. Most Dangote trucks are from Sinotruc China and most of the transit buses in Nigeria are from BYD or SMIC— both Chinese companies.

There are Chinese equivalents for all those "Made-in-Nigeria" cars. So me any one of these cars and I will show you the Chinese version.

BreconHills:


Not true. They buy from different OM markets and put together. They don't buy 100% brand cars and assemble here. This would expose the brand to liability for a product over which it has no control.

You don't understand how cars are built. They get semi-knocked down parts from the car manufacturers in China, assemble them in the plant here and rebrand them as theirs. Chinese manufacturers don't care as long as their selling their cars. They can even come and help the companies establish their assembly plant. Liability you say? You are funny.

Blakjewelry:

Not really I have seen some of the work innoson did maybe they might outsource some of the part like engine and gearbox but many companies world over do the same.

Innoson Manufacturing is an assembly plant for semi-knocked-down parts. They buy semi-knocked-down parts from the car manufacturer in China without the logo. They get their logo made somewhere in China. They assemble the parts and put their logo on it. This is their business.

asala1:


You don't understand how cars are built. They get semi-knocked down parts from the car manufacturers in China, assemble them in the plant here and rebrand them as theirs. Chinese manufacturers don't care as long as their selling their cars. They can even come and help the companies establish their assembly plant. Liability you say? You are funny.

I know exactly what you are saying.

What I am saying is that in car manufacture, nobody builds a car using 100% parts from one country. Usually parts are brought from several countries and it assembled in location. The eurofighter for example (which admittedly is a plane) is built with components from four - six countries. The engine alone was contributed by five engine parts manufacturers.

However in ship building Nigeria is making more progress with small inland patrol boats and ferries. Caverton has just produced a largely NG manufactured ferry.

The objective for any country is to increase local components. If you have 30% local components you can claim the car. What the government should do have a tiered tax and support regime based on local content with import waivers for export lines.

By the way there is an ( OEM) Original Equiptment Manufacturers (a market for buying non military components for everything including building private Jets).This is the market that Nigerian car assembly companies are buying from. They are not buying a car in China and shipping it as a completely knocked down UNLESS they are an outpost of such a car manufacturer eg Peugeot in the North. However to reduce final costs it is unlikely they will by buying Rolls Royce engines or Saab parts - so high liklihood China, Turkish and Korea parts will feature heavily.

Let's give some kudos to people veering into unsupported areas with very tiny domestic ecosystems.

We will get there.

Armaggedon:
This is how Nord "manufactures" their cars.
But we don't care provided we have something with which to rally against Innoson.

Don't die of envy

asala1:


Innoson Manufacturing is an assembly plant for semi-knocked-down parts. They buy semi-knocked-down parts from the car manufacturer in China without the logo. They get their logo made somewhere in China. They assemble the parts and put their logo on it. This is their business.

Nope most of the frame and body parts are produced in house. Engine, gearbox, brainbox and stuff like steering and sits are imported.

erico2k2:

Well as an Engineer, I will disagree with you on the Engine part, reason is we lack brains not energy to make an Engine,>The pour is manual, the only process that requires Energy is the melt (Heat) we already produce H beams made of steel, so an Aluminium Alloy Engine requires less Energy to melt. Do not forget the Chassis too need a mould and cast also the super structure of the car. Everything else is a press and spot weld which amount to not much energy.

Which specific area of engineering is your specialty? There is nothing special about design and implementation of a vehicle engine. A good team of engineer with Autocad can give you a design to specifications, send that design to China and you get a mold. Now is it profitable to build a plant just for engine production, nope. Most production company in the develop country depends on other companies. for instance, a car engine manufacturer can produce for different companies all the company needs to do is send their design to the production company you get your product.

Blakjewelry:

Which specific area of engineering is your specialty? There is nothing special about design and implementation of a vehicle engine. A good team of engineer with Autocad can give you a design to specifications, send that design to China and you get a mold. Now is it profitable to build a plant just for engine production, nope. Most production company in the develop country depends on other companies. for instance, a car engine manufacturer can produce for different companies all the company needs to do is send their design to the production company you get your product.

To answer your 1st question I am a fluid mechanic. Now to your response are you sure you understood what I was trying to say up there?cos I was addressing the ++ We in Nigeria Have power as our problem Key Word Power+++I simply stated that the amount of Energy it takes to manufacture an Engine cast is by far less that one needed to produce a bar of H beam! does this make sense?

BreconHills:


I know exactly what you are saying.

What I am saying is that in car manufacture, nobody builds a car using 100% parts from one country. Usually parts are brought from several countries and it assembled in location. The eurofighter for example (which admittedly is a plane) is built with components from four - six countries. The engine alone was contributed by five engine parts manufacturers.

However in ship building Nigeria is making more progress with small inland patrol boats and ferries. Caverton has just produced a largely NG manufactured ferry.

The objective for any country is to increase local components. If you have 30% local components you can claim the car. What the government should do have a tiered tax and support regime based on local content with import waivers for export lines.

By the way there is an ( OEM) Original Equiptment Manufacturers (a market for buying non military components for everything including building private Jets).This is the market that Nigerian car assembly companies are buying from. They are not buying a car in China and shipping it as a completely knocked down UNLESS they are an outpost of such a car manufacturer eg Peugeot in the North. However to reduce final costs it is unlikely they will by buying Rolls Royce engines or Saab parts - so high liklihood China, Turkish and Korea parts will feature heavily.

Let's give some kudos to people veering into unsupported areas with very tiny domestic ecosystems.

We will get there.

Do you realize that if rent in Europe or China or North America were as cheap as Enugu or Owerri that salaries will come down and oil price will drop as well to around seven dollars per barrel and a car you are buying at ten million will drop to at most two million naira? And that will be only because of the lower cost of labour in high income countries also because of lower cost of oil. If you can relate with that you will realize that Nigeria does not have any real industrial capacity. If there is then a brand new car will be around one million naira only

erico2k2:

answer your 1st question I am a fluid mechanic. Now to your response are you sure you understood what I was trying to say up there?cos I was addressing the ++ We in Nigeria Have power as our problem Key Word Power+++I simply stated that the amount of Energy it takes to manufacture an Engine cast is by far less that one needed to produce a bar of H beam! does this make sense?

@fluid mechanic cool.
Anyway I get what you are saying but my emphasis is not really on the availability of power per ser but due to severe factors such as you might need to provide source of energy for yourself and considering the cost of diesel in the country. Also for instance, those producing H beam already have a large market for it but if you are building an Engine and gearbox for just some few hundreds of cars a year then you will definitely run at lost at the end of the day. What I am trying to say in essence is that many most times thinks it is lack of brains that is causing the lack of some industry in Nigeria but it is always so. Sometimes some company actually needs other company to thrive.

I had this discussion with my lecturer back then in school it's more of an argument than a discussion, I told him most of the problem in Nigeria is because of the people with money are afraid to take risk, except for the chip making industry which has some best kept secret, that in today's world you set up any manuctering or production company you want as their company that will set up what you want and it money that will speak.

Zeebuy:

Funny enough, I've never seen any of their vehicles on the road

Same way I’ve never seen Innosson anywhere. Guess it’s location.

Blakjewelry:

@fluid mechanic cool.
Anyway I get what you are saying but my emphasis is not really on the availability of power per ser but due to severe factors such as you might need to provide source of energy for yourself and considering the cost of diesel in the country. Also for instance, those producing H beam already have a large market for it but if you are building an Engine and gearbox for just some few hundreds of cars a year then you will definitely run at lost at the end of the day. What I am trying to say in essence is that many most times thinks it is lack of brains that is causing the lack of some industry in Nigeria but it is always so. Sometimes some company actually needs other company to thrive.

I had this discussion with my lecturer back then in school it's more of an argument than a discussion, I told him most of the problem in Nigeria is because of the people with money are afraid to take risk, except for the chip making industry which has some best kept secret, that in today's world you set up any manuctering or production company you want as their company that will set up what you want and it money that will speak.

Look simply put, I'm still a Nigerian even though Im British, the thigs I do here as regard work can be done by any Nigerian who is an engineer punt in my shoes. I work globally as I will work on anything that uses pressure and fluids to work.SO what's missing. Answer Investment and initial capital plus unfriendly govt policies.

Zeebuy:

Funny enough, I've never seen any of their vehicles on the road

Na village u dey ?

lawani:


Do you realize that if rent in Europe or China or North America were as cheap as Enugu or Owerri that salaries will come down and oil price will drop as well to around seven dollars per barrel and a car you are buying at ten million will drop to at most two million naira? And that will be only because of the lower cost of labour in high income countries also because of lower cost of oil. If you can relate with that you will realize that Nigeria does not have any real industrial capacity. If there is then a brand new car will be around one million naira only

I think this discussion is going off on a tangent.

Kapeter:
Same way I’ve never seen Innosson anywhere. Guess it’s location.

I've seen plenty Innoson, especially their buses, hilux and Innoson Fox.
I think the reason is because they produce much higher volume of vehicles than Nord

lawani:


Do you realize that if rent in Europe or China or North America were as cheap as Enugu or Owerri that salaries will come down and oil price will drop as well to around seven dollars per barrel and a car you are buying at ten million will drop to at most two million naira? And that will be only because of the lower cost of labour in high income countries also because of lower cost of oil. If you can relate with that you will realize that Nigeria does not have any real industrial capacity. If there is then a brand new car will be around one million naira only

hahahahaha....Owerri wey self-con reach 200k?

Blakjewelry:

Nope most of the frame and body parts are produced in house. Engine, gearbox, brainbox and stuff like steering and sits are imported.

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. To make the frames and the body parts, they will need to have gigantic presses to blank and form metal sheets into shapes of the body parts. IVM clearly don’t have the capacity to do this. Besides, unless they are able to sell tens or hundreds of thousands of each version of their cars, the cost for making many forming molds for different parts of the cars is enormous and won’t be profitable. As I mentioned before, IVM import all the parts from the car manufacturer in China, put them together in their plant, paint them and rebadge for sale in Nigeria.

asala1:

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. To make the frames and the body parts, they will need to have gigantic presses to blank and form metal sheets into shapes of the body parts. IVM clearly don’t have the capacity to do this. Besides, unless they are able to sell tens or hundreds of thousands of each version of their cars, the cost for making many forming molds for different parts of the cars is enormous and won’t be profitable. As I mentioned before, IVM import all the parts from the car manufacturer in China, put them together in their plant, paint them and rebadge for sale in Nigeria.

You are wrong. Even this topic as even been trashed here on Nairaland, pictures of chassis, frame and some other parts.

Zeebuy:


I've seen plenty Innoson, especially their buses, hilux and Innoson Fox.
I think the reason is because they produce much higher volume of vehicles than Nord

Id rather say location actually. Nowhere in the SW have I ever come across innosson.

Blakjewelry:

You are wrong. Even this topic as even been trashed here on Nairaland, pictures of chassis, frame and some other parts.

Can you show me one picture of a functioning automobile stamping press for producing body parts and frames anywhere in Nigeria? Just one, not even from IVM but from any factory in Nigeria.

This is not a beer parlour discussion.

asala1:


Can you show me one picture of a functioning automobile stamping press for producing body parts and frames anywhere in Nigeria? Just one, not even from IVM but from any factory in Nigeria.

This is not a beer parlour discussion.

Innoson tend to keep press side of his business low but majority of the parts are in house produce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b2JMOmUJRo?si=r3Z-DxbLDlhesd1V

If you watch the video you will see most of the parts are just off the press and has not even been welded together.

obembet:


Tell us more about it and share their pictures... We need to promote our own

Jet motor Company is an indigenous company founded in 2017 and based in Lagos. They company is also nickname the "Tesla of Africa" because they are the only indigenous company Nigeria producing electric vehicles. Currently, I only know of one line of vehicle in production in the company - the Jet mover (pictures below) and it electric version. They also have another version of the jet mover that runs on CNG. The jet mover is very popular among long range travellers.

https://jetmotorcompany.com/

Blakjewelry:

Innoson tend to keep press side of his business low but majority of the parts are in house produce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b2JMOmUJRo?si=r3Z-DxbLDlhesd1V

If you watch the video you will see most of the parts are just off the press and has not even been welded together.

They don’t have the stamping press that’s why they are ‘keeping it secret’. What you are seeing in the assembly plant is what is called the completely knocked down (CKD) kits. You start from spot welding the parts and assemble the rest like a Lego. I’m not trying to minimize what they do, which I think is commendable but that’s what they do.

Exjoker:
Jet motor Company is an indigenous company founded in 2017 and based in Lagos. They company is also nickname the "Tesla of Africa" because they are the only indigenous company Nigeria producing electric vehicles. Currently, I only know of one line of vehicle in production in the company - the Jet mover (pictures below) and it electric version. They also have another version of the jet mover that runs on CNG. The jet mover is very popular among long range travellers.

https://jetmotorcompany.com/

Same. All rebranded from China.

asala1:

They don’t have the stamping press that’s why they are ‘keeping it secret’. What you are seeing in the assembly plant is what is called the completely knocked down (CKD) kits. You start from spot welding the parts and assemble the rest like a Lego. I’m not trying to minimize what they do, which I think is commendable but that’s what they do.

I see it's waste of time engaging you. So what are steel plate cutters doing there if you already bought all the parts you need. Do your own research before arguing.

Blakjewelry:

I see it's waste of time engaging you. So what are steel plate cutters doing there if you already bought all the parts you need. Do your own research before arguing.

I think it is better for you to keep away from something you clearly don't understand or know nothing about. Building cars is not your strong area. For one, nobody uses steel plates to make car bodies, they use sheets. Also, what do "steel plate cutters" have to do with forming and blanking parts? Africans and glory hunting. Taking credit for what you don't or can't do.

asala1:


I think it is better for you to keep away from something you clearly don't understand or know nothing about. Building cars is not your strong area. For one, nobody uses steel plates to make car bodies, they use sheets. Also, what do "steel plate cutters" have to do with forming and blanking parts? Africans and glory hunting. Taking credit for what you don't or can't do.

So what material are sheets made from? Rubber abi na every car uses aluminum. Maybe the word sheet should big in your ear, steel plate of varying density are used in the automotive industry do your research before jumping into conclusions.