Originalsly:


They told you it's too late? Bro .... read up on foods to avoid ... don't rely on pharmaceuticals .... ask the elders.... they know the different leaves and herbs that do a better job than pills. Health section here named a few under different threads. Soda lovers .... corn flake and cereal lovers .... chill.

I was not told but I'm getting better now
I discovered that I'm diabetics when my blood sugar is 600+mg/dl and HbA1C is 12.6.
My eyes was affected
I have had 3 scans already but I'm on pills now combining it with exercise and diet
I'm just 35...that's my anger

Rutherford2019:


It's type 2 that happens during pregnancy
Insulin production by the pancreas is normal but pregnancy makes the woman's body to be less sensitive to the available insulin
In type 1 there's no insulin production by the pancreas

Good. That was exactly what I was pointing out to OP. I told him GDM is a subset of type 2, but he kept on insisting. And you jumped in and started backing him.
Go back to our arguments

Originalsly:


They told you it's too late? Bro .... read up on foods to avoid ... don't rely on pharmaceuticals .... ask the elders.... they know the different leaves and herbs that do a better job than pills. Health section here named a few under different threads. Soda lovers .... corn flake and cereal lovers .... chill.

Be careful about those 'herbal cures'. You may end up with something worse, like chronic renal failure. Don't say you weren't warned

jaephoenix:


Be careful about those 'herbal cures'. You may end up with something worse, like chronic renal failure. Don't say you weren't warned

Really?... never heard of chronic renal failure because of herbs ... but not saying it doesn't happen because I never heard of it. Do you know or heard of anyone that this happened to? I'm advising herbs because I know people who use such and it works ... without complaining of any side effect. No doubt... one has to be careful about herbs... which are usually good in treating more than one condition. It may be very effective for diabetes but at the same time also effective in reducing high blood pressure. What if the user suffers from low blood pressure?
There is a risk factor involved.... but pharmaceuticals?.... the risk is higher.

Just one of many easily available herbs.

jaephoenix:

You still don't understand.
Diabetes mellitus is basically relative or absolute lack of insulin, right? Good.
1. What is the pathogenesis of GDM? Is there absolute lack(Type 1) or relative lack(type 2) of insulin?
2. Many women with GDM develop frank DM after delivery

In type2 DM there's not enough insulin or there's enough but the body doesn't respond to the presence of insulin..this subtype is mainly seen in obese and overweight people..enough insulin is there but fatty cells are less sensitive to insulin
Pregnancy is diabetogenics,there's enough insulin(type2)...in clear terms, during pregnancy everything the mother eats will first reach the baby including glucose..so in pregnancy, the mother's body will ignore the presence of the insulin to use the glucose so as to make it available to her baby..unfortunately in some women even after the baby has had enough of the glucose their body keep ignoring the presence of insulin to use the available glucose thereby making glucose accumulate in their blood. When the glucose accumulate in the blood they will start passing it in their urine...diabetes has set in
NB the woman was never diabetics prior to her pregnancy
In some circumstances,after delivery the woman's body will maintain the same posture i.e will continue to ignore the the presence of insulin to utilize glucose and in some others it will resolve only to come back in their later years and also some women never experienced diabetes again in their life after delivery
In all these some family history plays some role

jaephoenix:

You simply echoed what I stated without answering my question. Lemme repeat
Is GDM a type 1 or type 2 variation? Or is it stand-alone like OP said?

It's stand alone because it happens in pregnancy
It's type2 2 because there's enough insulin in her body

Rutherford2019:

It's stand alone because it happens in pregnancy
It's type2 2 because there's enough insulin in her body

How can it be stand-alone and still be type 2?
Is chronic pancreatitis induced diabetes a stand-alone or a subset of type 1 or 2?

Originalsly:


Really?... never heard of chronic renal failure because of herbs ... but not saying it doesn't happen because I never heard of it. Do you know or heard of anyone that this happened to? I'm advising herbs because I know people who use such and it works ... without complaining of any side effect. No doubt... one has to be careful about herbs... which are usually good in treating more than one condition. It may be very effective for diabetes but at the same time also effective in reducing high blood pressure. What if the user suffers from low blood pressure?
There is a risk factor involved.... but pharmaceuticals?.... the risk is higher.

Just one of many easily available herbs.

Obviously you are not a medical personnel, and haven't researched on those herbs. Are you aware of the alkaloids in those herbs? Are you aware there are no specific dosing based on body weight, sex, co-morbidites etc. They always tell you to take a cup of the juice etc. Don't you know those alkaloids can destroy your kidneys faster than you blink? If you don't know about herbs, please ask. Herbs are drugs. And any drugs taken without regulations or prescriptions are deadly.
Also from your screenshot I can see you pulled up some benefits of these leaves. Did it occur to you the amount of leaves to acts as sustained antihypertensives won't be enough? If you keep on taking them, they would only temporarily or slightly bring down the blood pressure or sugar. The effects won't be significant

jaephoenix:


Obviously you are not a medical personnel, and haven't researched on those herbs. Are you aware of the alkaloids in those herbs? Are you aware there are no specific dosing based on body weight, sex, co-morbidites etc. They always tell you to take a cup of the juice etc. Don't you know those alkaloids can destroy your kidneys faster than you blink? If you don't know about herbs, please ask. Herbs are drugs. And any drugs taken without regulations or prescriptions are deadly.
Also from your screenshot I can see you pulled up some benefits of these leaves. Did it occur to you the amount of leaves to acts as sustained antihypertensives won't be enough? If you keep on taking them, they would only temporarily or slightly bring down the blood pressure or sugar. The effects won't be significant

I'm not in the medical field period.... but do you have to be in the medical field before you treat any medical condition? Our ancestors were not in the medical field ... didn't they know how to treat many diseases? With all your medical knowledge ... can you survive in the forest when your malaria medication runs out? But yet we have people living in the forests for centuries and be surviving in the midst of malaria without ever seeing a nurse or doctor let alone a hospital. Genuine herbalists knows what herbs treat what.... ask them the breakdown or how it works they agave no clue ... they just know it works. No doubt... have no specific dosage .... moderation is key. If one has high blood pressure ... eating cucumber will reduce the blood pressure significantly... and one doesn't have to eat a truckload for this to happen. The danger in this is if not monitored ... then one can suffer from low blood pressure. Cancer... there are herbs that are more effective in treating cancer than any pharmaceutical. How long have they been looming for the cure ... pharmaceutical cure for cancer?.. getting people to believe chemotherapy is the way? We need to stop condemning herbs and promoting pharmaceuticals .... Bill Gates should've been our wake up call .

jaephoenix:

How can it be stand-alone and still be type 2?
Is chronic pancreatitis induced diabetes a stand-alone or a subset of type 1 or 2?

The original name of type1 DM is insulin dependent DM..in chronic pancreatitis in which the pancreas cannot produce insulin it becomes type 1 DM secondary to pancreatic damage
NB Any time that the pancreas cannot produce insulin it is type 1 irrespective of what happens to the pancreas or whether the person is pregnant or not
In type 2 the pancreatic function is either preserved or is minimal.
NB insulin dependent and non insulin dependent are no longer used to describe types of diabetes mellitus because some people with type 2 are now insulin dependent
Also adult onset and Juvenile DM are outdated names of type 2 and type 1 because both can occur at any time in life

jaephoenix:

How can it be stand-alone and still be type 2?
Is chronic pancreatitis induced diabetes a stand-alone or a subset of type 1 or 2?

DM Secondary to chronic pancreatitis can be type 1or2
If the pancreas can still produce some insulin it's type 2 but if it lost the function to produce insulin at all it is type 1

When it comes to Herbal,

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Go for the Trusted Name
Go for the Trusted Products
Go for the Trusted Cure

Rutherford2019:

The original name of type1 DM is insulin dependent DM..in chronic pancreatitis in which the pancreas cannot produce insulin it becomes type 1 DM secondary to pancreatic damage
NB Any time that the pancreas cannot produce insulin it is type 1 irrespective of what happens to the pancreas or whether the person is pregnant or not
In type 2 the pancreatic function is either preserved or is minimal.
NB insulin dependent and non insulin dependent are no longer used to describe types of diabetes mellitus because some people with type 2 are now insulin dependent
Also adult onset and Juvenile DM are outdated names of type 2 and type 1 because both can occur at any time in life

I can’t believe type 2 diabetics were ever believed to not potentially be insulin-dependent in the first place.

Probz:


I can’t believe type 2 diabetics were ever believed to not potentially be insulin-dependent in the first place.

Some type 2 are insulin dependent probably because their pancreas does not produce enough insulin so it becomes anomaly to tag type 1 insulin dependent knowing full well that some DM2 are dependent on insulin as well

Probz:


I can’t believe type 2 diabetics were ever believed to not potentially be insulin-dependent in the first place.

So you don't believe that two types of DM were previously classified as IDDM or type 1 and NIDDM or type 2.

Rutherford2019:


So you don't believe that two types of DM were previously classified as IDDM or type 1 and NIDDM or type 2.

That’s so not what I’m saying.