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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Chinlov: 4:14pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
this is very saddening Lexusgs430: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 4:16pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: They want those who have been diagnose and deem fit to work by doctor should go back to work. But we all know they won’t go back to any work. you see this benefit money of 100 quid weekly, they will fight it to the end. No one is taking it from them. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 4:24pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
lavida001: ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 4:31pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Madeu: I’m sure you are one of those that rents house and give it out at higher prices. Does that warrant her to break his door and leave him in the cold ? Make we dey talk true abeg. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 5:49pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: So what’s the difference if they exempt healthcare workers cos from the stats the healthcare sector has the highest number of skilled workers visas. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lightnlife: 6:10pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
The grass is greener on the other side. I've heard a couple of unpalatable first & second-hand stories from immigrants in Canada and Australia. Most sound grimmer than the UK experience. Since COVID hit, the world has been in turmoil and the UK as with other first-world countries are not immune to the realities of that turmoil. Perhaps each country is facing it differently. Do you know the unemployment rate in Canada and the state of social services and lifestyle? Same with Australia coupled with its tax system. Agreed, the UK delights in tossing the migration coin at every opportunity but humans are evolutionary and policies are not just switched on and off at will. There are usually time to discuss and decide on them. Immigrants can also be jumping ahead of the unfavourable migration policies and curves or sit back in trepidation of the next migration news or policy. Immigrants can chose to be reactive to every news piece on migration or just get on with their lives to the fullest whilst they're here. Guess how many immigrants have naturalised in the last ten years? Have the ruling class not been making "bold" migration statements since then? From where I stand, this is a win-win game for both UK and immigrants. They need us, we need them. Nobody dey force anybody. Either party can flip the coin when they see an alternative. The UK will still be migrant-dependdnt in the next five years - which is a long time for immigrants to establish themselves or re-migrate. Everyone's end-goal differs and that should ultimately be the motivating factor rather than floating with every news and hinted policy direction. Two of my friends left the UK for the USA this year because na their intent be that. Spoke with one recently and she's complaining about medical insurance. I literally asked her what exactly she wants. In the long run, na goals matter. As always, there are no perfect systems/countries there are just better ones. Choose the one you can cope with. hustla: 16 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 6:22pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
lightnlife: Interesting but you have to put it all together and see where I am coming from as this is not the first time I am speaking about it. Can you tell me the immigration strategy for the UK? Will it be the same in 5 yrs? Since I have been here, they have changed policies for the worse at least twice. I know a PSW ban in the future isn't off the table because it is their way. Milk the cow and then discard it, per usual From where I stand and as of now, for students, it looks like they're out to milk us sotey and yet, complains and complains. I can't say its not better than being in Nigeria, it is If you check what each country has to offer students, the UK comfortably has the worst package and yet, the highest fees to pay for everything. PSW in AU was increased from 3 to 5 yrs, at a cost of about AUD1,800, less than the reported £2,900 for students from next year. Canada's PSW also is about £240 AU and Canada realised students would be battling the effects of this global turmoil you spoke about and asked that students can work more than 20 hrs/ week. UK did not offer or even think of it, instead, Unis increased school fees I could go on and on but their current strategy exploits students and the least they can do is to stop crying about students every 7 market days as if they do not contribute shingbain to the economy. They want money but they dont want an increase in population, no be juju be that? ![]() There is no perfect country or system but at least some stability is needed 12 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 6:25pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
lavida001: Lol @ the bolded True in many cases, however there are others e.g. some single mothers, for whom going back to work full time would leave them worse off financially. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Ukliving: 6:35pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
lightnlife: I agree Let each person decide what they want and for it. I know people in Canada who have said they are moving back to the UK once they get their citizenship. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 6:45pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: You're right, but they have no choice but to exempt care workers because the industry is using foreign workers to keep wages low and only a small proportion of care workers would qualify if they had to meet the new salary threshold. Apparently they are instead looking at some type of restriction on care dependants, as the stats also show that the number of dependants on the care visa is higher the number of main applicants, primarily from India and Nigeria. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 6:46pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
hustla: dem no dey give shishi ![]() |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 6:49pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
hustla: What is the student visa approval rate for Canada and Australia compare that to the UK. Canada and Australia has some of the most strict and unfair visa approval & denial rate, so they take in just a few students, whereas UK has an almost 98% student visa approval rate. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 6:52pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: don't you think they are chasing the wind? how can you restrict dependents from accompanying their breadwinners or spouses, student visas are temporary visas so it's understandable to restrict dependents but for workers, it doesn't make sense. I think it's best to just stop the route altogether if bringing down net migration is truly the goal. Secondly if singles are the ones they want to target for the care workers, won't they get married and settle down to raise families? or once they marry, they become ineligible to continue to work in the UK? The policy looks weird 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Abuja1914: 6:55pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 6:56pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
heroshark: LOL We arent discussing approval rates. Btw, Canada also lets in lots of people via the PR route and it has been on since forever and theyre still looking for ways to make things right for legal immigrants. Also, for the approval rate UK, do they not collect money? Did they not increase IHS rates too? School fees also went up twice for my school and I heard they have removed discount they usually give and instalmental payments Imagine boosting an economy with £42bn in 1 year and all you get na complain every 7 days https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study Its their country tbf but mehn ... 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 7:12pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
lightnlife: The issue with the Uk's immigration system is that it is skewed toward reducing the number of people who want to settle down permanently and you can't blame people for looking elsewhere when all the music of bringing down net migration begins to play. As it stands today only the Uk among the Western nations requires you to be on a skilled worker visa for 5 years before thinking of becoming a permanent resident. My main issue has always been why tie people's visas to where they work? Apart from the Global Talent visas what other visas are available for people especially for highly skilled people to obtain and be able to work? The other visa they call high visa or whatever it is called for those who graduated from top 100 universities and it doesn't make sense as folks still need to get a sponsored skilled visa to continue to work in the UK. With all the noise, it's still the healthcare sector that grants more work visas which is for care workers. it's obvious many UK companies do not sponsor skilled worker visas. People need to plan and move ahead with their lives and if they see the Uk as becoming hostile, they will move elsewhere which is what the UK actually wants to achieve its goal of bringing down net migration. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 7:16pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: The details definitely need working out, but I think it would be similar to how the new student/dependant visa restrictions will be applied. A new masters student can't bring in existing children from next year, but if they birthed a child while on a student visa then I imagine that child would be eligible to stay under their mothers visa. Interesting to see how it plays out. In several countries, some categories of workers are not allowed to bring in any dependants and there is no route to settlement. They come and work and make money and then retire back home or elsewhere. Re the bolded, the route doesn't need to be stopped altogether, but it certainly needs to be tightened significantly. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by victorVIC1(m): 7:27pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Please any sure link for an apartment within Greater Manchester as I want to move out from my current place? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 7:33pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: this is an assumption, am not sure they have thought about this, ![]() |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 7:39pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: The irony is that the UK is less hostile now, compared with a decade or 2 decades ago. But immigration is and will always be a sensitive issue (as I keep saying on the forum) , not because they dislike immigrants per se, but the average mindset is that the UK is a small island with finite space and resources/infrastructure, and is not able to cater to an infinite number of people without it having a detrimental effect on services and quality of life. In the US, an employer has to sponsor a work related greencard, which takes 5 years to naturalise, similar to the UK. Employer sponsorship is needed to control foreigners' access to the labour market and put the interests of citizens first. A company should not need to sponsor work visas if it is able to recruit from the domestic work force, otherwise this would lead to wage suppression - as we can see from job adverts, people on work visas tend to get paid less for doing the same job as a citizen/resident. The spouse of a British citizen who has lived here all their life also has to wait 5 years to naturalise. (There used to be no time limit but marriage scams led to the tightening up of this route). It would be unbalanced and unfair for a foreign worker to become settled in a shorter time frame than a British spouse. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 7:47pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: Lol, the UK can legislate itself out of any corner. But I'm definitely intrigued to see what the policies will be 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 8:02pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Abuja1914: There are more scammers in fb marketplace than any other platform i know, be very very careful dealing with anyone there, if you want to buy anything from fb marketplace make sure you see it before buying and go with someone who know a lot about cars. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 8:04pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: For the US it's actually 3 years and above, apart from that there are other pathways to permanent residency even in one year once you have a professional job in the US. There is no comparison to the UK at all. Am afraid the UK does not give much regard to highly skilled professionals like the US does and no one also puts its citizens first like they do. I have moved around this country and this view that it's a small island is laughable, do you know how many empty houses abound? The same country where they are finding home buyers that are not enough. I can understand all the other sentiments of immigration but this idea of a small island and limited infrastructure resources is never true. What I have observed is that when there's an influx of immigrants, we begin to hear excuses for cheap labour as a way to push back. Folks bringing in revenue to a nation can never be the problem of any nation, the govt has a responsibility to improve whatever deficit or lack they observe in infrastructure cos that's why they collect taxes. You can't expect the infrastructure of the 60s to cater for the now. 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 8:12pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: One thing I have noticed is that they are stuck in their old, appearing-to-work methods and I don't think they will change anytime soon They do not regard professionals, or maybe there isn't money to pay them. It is the reason why you see Au / Nz adverts for Nurses on Indeed blatantly advertising better pay, working conditions and even weather ![]() |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 8:16pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 8:24pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: The UK also offers faster routes to settlement e.g. 2 yrs only on a golden visa and 3 years in some cases on Global Talent visa ![]() Empty houses in areas where there are jobs and people want to live in? If there were, there wouldn't be a housing crisis with many residents and migrants alike struggling to find decent, affordable accommodation. I agree that the UK govt hasn't planned properly and made sufficient upgrades and investments in many of its services and infrastructure. However it is also true that not all foreign workers bring in the same amount of value and revenue, specifically those on very low incomes. There are studies that determine the average salary an immigrant should be on to be considered a net contributor to the economy. I can't remember the last amount but it was not in the 20s, or even low 30s I think |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 8:28pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
hustla: The sad thing is that lots of professionals who will thrive in some other sectors will be stuck in care for so long they can't go back to the original professions they trained for, yet you complain of shortage in some sectors. With the shortage skilled list, one will expect a spread of skilled worker visas across different sectors but no it's more of Healthcare visas mainly for care workers. And am wondering what's all the noise about cos I don't know who are they giving visas to. The student visas are already on a downward trend with the removal of dependent visas. So what's the fuss all about? There's even a particular statistics data I want to see, the number of student-dependent visas, post-study dependent visas and Healthcare dependent visas working in other sectors apart from healthcare. I wan check something cos that stats go sweet gan. 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 8:31pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: So you believe there is really a housing crisis in the UK? ![]() |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 8:34pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: Lol isn't there? Not dissimilar to every major country/city - Canada, AUS, Portugal, NZ , HK |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 8:48pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Zahra29: don't know of other countries o but in this UK, I don't think there is, on the street where I live, I suddenly discovered lots of Nigerians getting accommodation, I told someone it was obvious those houses were empty all these while and it's true in so many places. If folks are not willing to rent out their spaces, do we blame immigrants for that? All of a sudden in my area, lots of renovation going on and I wondered what was happening. The major challenge of immigrants in the Uk getting accommodation was not a lack of houses but landlords unwilling to rent out to students especially. And we can't blame even the landlords too. Funny enough the crisis has a way too of resolving itself somehow. The landlords too have been smiling to the banks. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 8:58pm On Nov 25, 2023 |
Goke7: The bolded is the reason why their immigration strategy is very funny ![]() January entry stats will be pretty interesting and Im sure schools will complain |
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