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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 11:59am On Nov 27, 2023 |
justwise: I added 4 criteria, not just education. Why did you leave the other 3 and chose to run with just the education part? Why did you ignore the fact that I said many and not all [/b]and [b]not majority Are you telling me that all Nigerians that migrated using the care visa or education in the last 2years have atleast a Masters degree, 3-5+years professional experience in a lucrative field, and under 35years ? Again, I did not generalize it, you are making it sound like I said all Nigerians. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 12:05pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
heroshark: Your argument have now become the highlighted! SMH. Keep on adjusting to suit your false narrative. You go twist and explain taya!!! |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Gerrard59(m): 12:07pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
florixi: Honestly, I would love to read a research paper why that keeps happening. It is prevalent across almost all immigrant societies. Those who have migrated a long time get agitated and somehow unhappy when there are newer arrivals in large numbers. It is not just a Nigerian thing, but happens among Whites in Japan, Indians in the US, Indians in the UK, Mexicans in the US, Indonesians/Malaysians/Filipinos in Japan, etc. Sha, one thing is clear from the recent exodus: the veil on the UK's face has been removed. It is not a new thing anymore. Literally, an above average Nigerian can get into the UK. The mystery has been demystified. It is good anyway. It is an all-comers-affair. I remember the time whites said Dubai haff cast because many blacks, especially black Africans, were visiting there en mass. The UK haff cast. ![]() ![]() 15 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 12:09pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
justwise: Justwise, please leave that fellow alone jare. He keeps twisting as he responds. How many have the education clearly means that they are either not educated or not educated enough. He will twist this one now. A very poor way of arguing! 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 12:13pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Gerrard59: you're a badt boy ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:14pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
toughest007: The 80% quoted in the OP's post refers to the proportion of Nigerians working in health and social care (which includes doctors, nurses as well as care workers) that were granted UK work visas in the last year. If you look through the stats of the latest ONS report, you would see that this sounds about right. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 12:16pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
justwise: I can also argue that many Nigerian that migrated to the UK using the student visa route in the last 2years are not qualified for the UK student visa. But then again people will attack me. But let's examine it without bias or prejudice. The UK Student visa is point base. To qualify you need a total of 40points. CAS = 30points Proof of sufficient fund = 10points Many Nigerians (majority in my uni and cohorts) used fraudulent means to obtain the last 10 points. So genuinely speaking they did not meet the criteria and if UKVI had discovered they would've been banned. The influx of immigrants that the UK is complaining about is mainly from Indians (+subcontinent) and Nigerians and these are also the group that uses the most fraudulent means to secure visa ( Selling of COS and Fraudulent POF). This is the truth and we all know it. But if I talk am, everybody go tag me as enemy of progress. I personally can not say this outside the community but as na we we dey here, make we tell ourselves the truth. What i[quote][/quote] 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:24pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Goke7: The panic set in when they observed the large number of dependants that started accompanying students on a 1 year post grad course. It points to a plan to stay permanently as opposed to get your masters and some work ex, and then return home. Re the health and social care sector, the largest vacancies are in the care sector. But I find it strange that since brexit, the number of vacancies doesn't appear to have gone down, despite over 150k care visas being granted in the last 2 years. And if there were such huge vacancies as reported, why are so many immigrants , especially those who came in via an agency, unable to get shifts? Something's not adding up. And it's certainly not working in the current format. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:28pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Gerrard59: Nope, the issue is that the truth is often difficult to hear and accept. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 12:28pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
heroshark: The UK you're trying to defend knows these facts well more than you but you know what? they didn't care as they were more after the numbers to reach their target. Stop trying to be more righteous than them, they were in the know but looked away to get all their figures. And that's the hypocrisy lot of people point at, you were the ones who let them in with all the fraudulent credentials in the first place. I have always maintained that the sales of COS should be blamed on the govt for allowing all sorts of agencies to issue COS, I hear they are now trying to do proper background checks if that is true anyway. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 12:30pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Zahra29: and who do we blame for this? Immigrants? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:35pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Goke7: Yes, for abusing the system (not all, just those who are complicit) e.g buying/selling cos, fake pof, scam dependants etc And the government/home office for enabling the system to be abused. Anyways now that the pressure is on, tougher measures will be put in place to hopefully stop these scams |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 12:35pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
I blame the government and those selling COS. It is hard to blame those that are trying to get better opportunities for their families. Goke7: 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 12:38pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Raalsalghul:Some of you need to get out of your feelings and smell the coffee. Are these things the OP mentioned below not happening or not? Africans like to take the truth as a personal attack with a pinch of inferiority complex instead of fixing up. [/b]People selling COS People having fake marriages to bring in dependents Student coming to UK without any means of paying tuition People rushing on Student visa without any intention of studying and abandoning their studies for carework[b] 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:43pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
kwakudtraveller: 💯 Thank you ....it's not a personal attack, just facts. And these are the issues, committed by a few, that lead to harsher immigration policies that affect the many. Collective punishment and stereotypes. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 1:16pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Zahra29:People are now setting up care home businesses just to sell COS. The rot keeps getting deeper but people like to be delulu instead of acknowledging that we as a people, Indians, Ghanaians, Zimbabweans, and Nigerians need to do better. I’ve come to realise that it’s their country and their rules and if I don’t like it, then I can fxxk off to another country where I will still cry and cry if their policies annoy me. But to ignore the fact that we are abusing the system is downright preposterous. Because their policies appear to be turning on its own no mean say they are wrong, they are right in their own way as it’s their country and their rules. The truth remains that one has a higher chance of getting a UK visa than any of those countries mentioned and you people know that Heroshark is right but you are just in denial. Not every Joe can make it into Canada as their deciding factors are strict, that’s why there’s a distinction between the quality of people who move into Canada, Australia and the US versus the UK. A high percentage of the people who moved to the US legally either did so through Family, Lottery system or School and as for the student route, US universities will deny your study application or visa before you finish spelling SUELLA. US universities reject their citizens, talk more of you a foreigner. The people who moved in illegally, got in through a visiting visa and they either did marriage fraud or applied for asylum. I know a handful of such people. Make Una Japa to US easily like the UK now, make we dey see. The UK is this and that, but the other day, we dey complain about woman wey get work go dey collect free food wey suppose be poor people with zero income, she come even turn am to content creation. But we wan dey banter back and forth on top the truth. Make everybody dey deceive themselves. Sorry Zahra for hijacking your post to write this long talk. The talk don tire me 9 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by toughest007: 1:26pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Zahra29: Ah... OK. Thanks. Could you respond to my second question? Thanks |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 1:29pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
kwakudtraveller: In all of this, the Uk is to be blamed for not properly defining the kind of disciplines and professions they really want which has been my own major issue in all of this. The US and other countries you mentioned have more desire to attract more qualified professionals to settle in their countries but what do you have here in the Uk, folks graduating with an MSc in cybersecurity but no clear immigration pathway but have to settle for jobs in the care sector by paying for COS. Let's not deceive ourselves companies are not really sponsoring professionals here in this country. The Uk will continue to attract the kinds of people its currently attracting cos that's what they want and they should not blame anybody. If they are serious, sponsorship jobs should not be the only major immigration pathway, overhaul the system, find out honestly what professions you truly need and attract those well qualified for it. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 1:46pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Regarding the bolded, while I blame the government, some students are not even trying at all. Ask them to apply for PSW and consider roles within their field, a lot of them will curse you. When I did my MSc., most of my classmates did psw and majority of them got very good jobs before they finished the psw. Sponsoring of visa was not even that popular then. I applied for around 500 jobs, got to 10 assessment centres before I got a job offer. Some of my classmates even applied for more jobs. When I was not happy with my job, I started applying again. I did so many applications, had so many heart breaks but eventually got 3 companies that wanted to sponsor me at the same time. I asked one student who was complaining how many jobs he had applied to in his field, he could not mention 10. People just want to get into skilled worker visa immediately. I was practically begging someone to send me his CV. He was just interested in getting COS from a care home. This is someone that studied cybersecurity. Also, I have spoken to a lot of students as we have huge no of students in my town. Some of them don't even have a clue what they are studying. They hire people to do their dissertation and course works. Are those people students? However, some students are still trying their best though and I am certain their hard work will pay soon. Goke7: 9 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 1:49pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
heroshark: You can make the same case for Canadian student visa applicants, they all use fake bank statement but Canadian embassy check far more than the UK embassy. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 1:58pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Goke7:But it’s clearly defined on their website, they have a list of skill set they want for the top visas. If the companies are not sponsoring, it’s no fault of the government as they have to prioritise their own as opposed to putting in an extra cost for a visa when they can just easily hire a citizen or someone with an existing work permit with no ties. That people are seeking care jobs post uni is their lack of patience, and for some, the fear of the unknown which I can’t blame them for. Care is still a profession and at some point, we have to respect people’s choice but ensure we speak to people close to us to not settle. Another issue is people are looking to move into other professions because someone somewhere has told them that it’s the best way to get into the job market, instead of just continuing from where they stopped in their country, everyone now wants to be a project manager or a Fraud Expert and they think doing a Masters for it is enough which in a way is putting these companies at risk. That’s why companies are now doing double reference checks. Because if one is on top of their game; why would a company need to do another thorough background check if one has been hired already and has been there for months. My point is, 2 years is enough time to figure things out, nobody forced us to move here, they’ve given us this opportunity so let’s use it wisely and stop pointing fingers at them. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Treadway: 2:02pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
heroshark:na you get time dey argue with that fellow. The fellow's thinking and responses na dead give away for how he/she lacks depth of reasoning. I will even say not many, but majority of those flooding the UK na cos of the ease compared to Canada, US etc. Express entry or student visa for Canny dey extremely cumbersome or outrightly unattainable to majority of them, na the simple fact. Should we talk about the looooooooong processing times for Canada, or the point based system that is mad competitive. You literally have to be young (under 30 or early 30's), with MSc, and French to even be on queue, but trust some nairalanders to be allergic to facts and truth-telling. UK runs wey you fit run everything in under two months at age 45 sef. Shioor 4 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:06pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
dupyshoo: people feel it's a waste of time applying for psw cos it leads to nowhere, nobody likes uncertainty, if the UK immigration policies are straightforward it will be easy for people to make more well-informed decisions, the only straightforward thing now is care cos it leads to their desired settlement. That is why the smarter ones are looking to other countries not because the UK is not even better than those countries but because nobody wants to mortgage his future for any uncertainty. It looks like a gamble for many especially with families applying for psw with the heavy cost to it while with care they just pay the visa fee and are exempted from ihs fees. Only those with a strong desire to remain in their field will try the psw route first and see what happens and they are very few. Th Uk does not need to make these things hard like this and still complain of over 1 million vacancies not filled. 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:11pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
kwakudtraveller: one of the top recommendations now from the Migration Advisory Council is to scrap the shortage skills list as it's obvious to all that its just for decoration, so many things here are not straightforward, they want to scrap it cos according to them it is encouraging cheap labour which I find laughable. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by karixz: 2:29pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Good day guys, Please I need advice on what physical bank I should open as a new immigrant. I’ve heard something about some of these banks coming with financial incentives from this thread and I’d be really delighted to know more about this. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 2:34pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Peerielass: Thank for your detailed response. Key takeaway is that the 40% would apply on the second job only, not on both jobs. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 2:39pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
Psw is no waste of time. I know of more than 20 friends that got a job in their fields during PSW. While some people will get job before finishing, some will get after a year, some after 2 years. The final outcome will be to become a citizen. It is not how far but how well. You did not address the statement that some students are not chanelling their energy to applying for jobs in their field. How will they get sponsored when they did not apply. If we want to be a force to be reckon with in this country, as Nigerians, we need to start targeting the top collectively and stop settling for less. Goke7: 4 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:39pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
ehizario2012: I think you're misinterpreting what the person you quoted said. The tax bands apply to ALL income COMBINED. Doesn't matter if it's one or two or ten jobs. If you're under-taxed in either of the jobs, you'll get a notice from HMRC demanding the rest later. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:44pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
karixz:Physical or high street banks lol, spiritual banks no Dey o. Any of them is good actually be it hsbc, Lloyds or Halifax 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by HenryG(m): 2:52pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
HenryG: Please I am seeking for response. Hope Crypto trade as an international student in the UK wont affect future Visa application? Thanks everyone, Justwise. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:57pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
dupyshoo: Why will they channel their energy when there’s no hope of sponsorship, do we all have same level of resilience? Like someone said we may need to respect people’s choices for going the care route. For many it’s family survival first, will you blame them? This is why some people feel we are bashing other people’s career choices here. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 2:57pm On Nov 27, 2023 |
lavida001: I think this comment is quite instructive. Never ever get carried away by the plastic smile from Britons, both the whites and naturalized blacks who are in their second or third generations... They would steal information from you and use it directly against you. Person go open mouth e nor go get power to close am when they start ur case... So at work, u too be using plastic smile for them. Simple. Never get too friendly, trusting is totally outta d window!!! 1 Like |
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