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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:15pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:
A 1970 study by the Beirut Institute for Palestinian studies concluded that “68% of the Arabs in Palestine left their homes without ever hearing a shot fired or seeing a single Jewish soldier”. In Israels Declaration they specificallt make an appeal "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." even the British made note: "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe. [However] ...A large road convoy, escorted by [British] military . . . left Haifa for Beirut yesterday. . . . Evacuation by sea goes on steadily. ...[Two days later, the Jews were] still making every effort to persuade the Arab populace to remain and to settle back into their normal lives in the towns." Finally I will leave you with the following.... “I do not want to impugn anybody but only to help the refugees. The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the Arab States in opposing partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously, and they must share in the solution of the problem.” Emil Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, the official leader of the Palestinian Arabs, in a Beirut newspaper, also reported in the Daily Telegraph on September 6, 1948.

“...The occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade… the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean... advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes, and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down…”
(General Secretary of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha as related by chief spokesman for the Arab League, Habib Issa -- (Al Hoda, June 8, 1951 - A NY Lebanese daily newspaper).

“The Arab governments told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.” (Jordan Daily Newspaper, Ad Dijaa, September 6, 1954).

“The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the progress of war.” General Glubb Pasha (the British officer who helped build the Transjordanian Army) wrote this in the London Daily Mail (August 12, 1948).

“The Arab Exodus …was not caused by the actual battle, but by the exaggerated description spread by the Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews. …For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy.” – The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.

“The wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab states, and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and re- take possession of the country.” – Edward Atiyah (Secretary of the Arab League, London, The Arabs, 1955, p. 183)


For the Jew hater Ijebos


Palestinians fled because they were scared for their lives, because of rumors they heard that they were going to be killed, based on what had happened in previous massacres. Some of these rumors were purposefully spread by Israelis to Palestinian leaders to get them to leave. It was a whisper campaign designed to get Palestinians to leave so Israel could take and consolidate their land. Some of these whispers were that Israel had a nuclear weapon they would use. These plans were unearthed by Historians in writings, one I quote by an Israeli general at the time.
Here are his exact words.
We, therefore, looked for a means that would not oblige us to use force to DRIVE OUT tens of thousands of hostile [Palestinian] Arabs left in the Galilee and who, in the event of an invasion, could strike at us from behind. We tried to utilize a stratagem that exploited the [Arabs] defeat in Safad and in area cleared by [Operation] Broom - a stratagem that WORKED WONDERFULLY.
I gathered the Jewish mukhtars [Kibbutz chiefs], who had ties with the different [local Palestinian] Arab villages , and I asked them to WHISPER in the ears of several [Palestinian] Arabs that a giant Jewish reinforcement had reached the Galilee and were about to CLEAN OUT the villages of Hula, [and] to advise them as friends, to FLEE while they could. And rumour spread throughout Hula that the time had come to flee. The flight encompassed tens of thousands. The stratagem FULLY achieved its objective . . . and we were able to deploy ourselves in face of the [prospective] invaders along the borders, with out fear for our rear." (Benny Morris, p. 122)

As I said, thinking is not your strong point. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying, Palestinians who were scared for their lives, fled in hopes of returning when the fighting was over, so it was ok for Israel to take homes and their land? As if the fact they fled for safety absolves Israel from stealing their land. As if they had stayed Israel wouldn't have fought them and took their land anyways. That's the kind of logic only an uncritical brain doped with Christian Fundamentalism can make.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 5:20pm On Nov 28, 2023
IjeBos:



Palestinians fled because they were scared for their lives, because of rumors they heard that they were going to be killed, based on what had happened in previous massacres. Some of these rumors were purposefully spread by Israelis to Palestinian leaders to get them to leave. It was a whisper campaign designed to get Palestinians to leave so Israel could take and consolidate their land. Some of these whispers were that Israel had a nuclear weapon they would use. These plans were unearthed by Historians in writings, one I quote by an Israeli general at the time.
Here are his exact words.


As I said, thinking is not your strong point. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying, Palestinians who were scared for their lives fled in hopes of returning when the fighting was over, so it was ok for Israel to take homes and their land? As if the fact they fled for safety absolves Israel from stealing their land. As if they had stayed Israel wouldn't have fought them and took their land anyways. That's the kind of logic an uncritical brain doped with Christian Fundamentalism can make.

They are going to war with Israel. They fled because if war.

Israeli citizens fled their northern region cause of war with Hezbollah common sense. The thing is they start the war

Their own people also exaggerated the situation
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 5:33pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:


They are going to war with Israel. They fled because if war.

Israeli citizens fled their northern region cause of war with Hezbollah common sense. The thing is they start the war

God, your'e so fuxing stupid. You write gibberish and call it a coherent logical point.
Your argument is that any refugee who flees their homes, who are not combatants, automatically lose their homes and land. So all the people in Northern Gaza who fled because Israel were dropping bombs, have now lost their homes. And when they start dropping bombs in the south and those people flee, those people would lose their homes as well? That seems like the exact point Palestinians were making about Israel's true intention to kick all Palestinians off the land.

Kevin Mcconnell got in trouble this week for saying that the US never asked for land when they fought wars. He was wrong, but he wanted to make a point, that the US fought wars for security not to take land. In the last few US wars, the US was sure to make sure they didn't take land, oil or anything because there is a moral element to it and a perception they want to avoid.

Your argument is precisely why Israel has lost the standing it has despite the level of propaganda it puts out. You seem to be too stupid to understand the ramifications of the shit you say.

Go back and watch some more Christian Fundamentalist/Israeli propaganda videos.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by feedthenation(m): 5:42pm On Nov 28, 2023
---Ranking Member Rep Jamie Raskin issued the following statement after Chairman James Comer
rejected Hunter Biden’s request to testify before the Committee in a public hearing---

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 7:05pm On Nov 28, 2023
IjeBos:


God, your'e so fuxing stupid. You write gibberish and call it a coherent logical point.
Your argument is that any refugee who flees their homes, who are not combatants, automatically lose their homes and land. So all the people in Northern Gaza who fled because Israel were dropping bombs, have now lost their homes. And when they start dropping bombs in the south and those people flee, those people would lose their homes as well? That seems like the exact point Palestinians were making about Israel's true intention to kick all Palestinians off the land.

Kevin Mcconnell got in trouble this week for saying that the US never asked for land when they fought wars. He was wrong, but he wanted to make a point, that the US fought wars for security not to take land. In the last few US wars, the US was sure to make sure they didn't take land, oil or anything because there is a moral element to it and a perception they want to avoid.

Your argument is precisely why Israel has lost the standing it has despite the level of propaganda it puts out. You seem to be too stupid to understand the ramifications of the shit you say.

Go back and watch some more Christian Fundamentalist/Israeli propaganda videos.

No stupid jew hater. You and others are claiming Israelis forced them away.

The ones who stayed at Israeli citizen go figure.

When you are so deep is stupid you start to think stupid and project it on me. That's not what I am saying as I clearly use Israel and Hezbollah as an example. They left for their safety. No one is saying Hezbollah forced them out. You are so dumb.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by IjeBos(m): 7:21pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:

They left for their safety. No one is saying Hezbollah forced them out. You are so dumb.

As I said we've long reached the point of the argument that you've lost whatever point you were trying to make and are now rambling incoherently.

Your new argument is that if you leave your home because someone is raining bombs down on your house, threatening to commit the same massacres on you that they committed in another town and spreading whispering campaigns that they have nuclear weapons they will use, you left because of your safety and not because you were forced out? And the distinction somehow matters? Holy Fuxing Stupid. You've delinitiated the word to a point to try to absolve Israel of what happened. As all great intellectually dishonest people do.

But then ask yourself, so what. Does the fact that they left because of their safety, to return when they were safe and not because Israel "forced them out" absolve Israel from taking their homes and land? Of course not.

You are as dumb as a rock, an intellectually lazy person and intellectually dishonest to boot. I would say I hope you don't procreate. But you have. Good thing that you're to stupid to eek out a living that your Baby Momma raises them.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 7:21pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:


No stupid jew hater. You and others are claiming Israelis forced them away.

The ones who stayed at Israeli citizen go figure.

When you are so deep is stupid you start to think stupid and project it on me. That's not what I am saying as I clearly use Israel and Hezbollah as an example. They left for their safety. No one is saying Hezbollah forced them out. You are so dumb.

This dolt is a Jew hater because of Arab propaganda. After 1948 nearly all Jews living in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Egypt etc were expelled leaving their possessions . If the perpetual unrwa refugees called Palestinians are to reclaim what they left in Israel , then all Jews should also claim. This idiot does not care that Arabs expelled their Jewry population.Or he has never heard that from Hamas TV.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 7:33pm On Nov 28, 2023
feedthenation:
---Ranking Member Rep Jamie Raskin issued the following statement after Chairman James Comer
rejected Hunter Biden’s request to testify before the Committee in a public hearing---


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/house-republicans-reject-hunter-biden-testify-publicly-1234900395/
😆

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 7:39pm On Nov 28, 2023

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 8:15pm On Nov 28, 2023
IjeBos:


As I said we've long reached the point of the argument that you've lost whatever point you were trying to make and are now rambling incoherently.

Your new argument is that if you leave your home because someone is raining bombs down on your house, threatening to commit the same massacres on you that they committed in another town and spreading whispering campaigns that they have nuclear weapons they will use, you left because of your safety and not because you were forced out? And the distinction somehow matters? Holy Fuxing Stupid. You've delinitiated the word to a point to try to absolve Israel of what happened. As all great intellectually dishonest people do.

But then ask yourself, so what. Does the fact that they left because of their safety, to return when they were safe and not because Israel "forced them out" absolve Israel from taking their homes and land? Of course not.

You are as dumb as a rock, an intellectually lazy person and intellectually dishonest to boot. I would say I hope you don't procreate. But you have. Good thing that you're to stupid to eek out a living that your Baby Momma raises them.


This guy too stupid.
See the bold. In Ukraine, war destroyed cities. Some people are still living. Same in Palestine. Same in Iraq, same in Syria.
So tell me, who asked Israelis to flee their border for safety? Hezbollah or Israel? Are people still living there? Yes because the once who left was not forced to leave, they left for their safety. No one drag them into a van and relocated them

Latin School in Boston really taught you how to reason.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 8:16pm On Nov 28, 2023
basilico:


This dolt is a Jew hater because of Arab propaganda. After 1948 nearly all Jews living in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Egypt etc were expelled leaving their possessions . If the perpetual unrwa refugees called Palestinians are to reclaim what they left in Israel , then all Jews should also claim. This idiot does not care that Arabs expelled their Jewry population.Or he has never heard that from Hamas TV.

The guy is driven by hatred for jews.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 8:25pm On Nov 28, 2023
IjeBos:


As I said we've long reached the point of the argument that you've lost whatever point you were trying to make and are now rambling incoherently.

Your new argument is that if you leave your home because someone is raining bombs down on your house, threatening to commit the same massacres on you that they committed in another town and spreading whispering campaigns that they have nuclear weapons they will use, you left because of your safety and not because you were forced out? And the distinction somehow matters? Holy Fuxing Stupid. You've delinitiated the word to a point to try to absolve Israel of what happened. As all great intellectually dishonest people do.

But then ask yourself, so what. Does the fact that they left because of their safety, to return when they were safe and not because Israel "forced them out" absolve Israel from taking their homes and land? Of course not.

You are as dumb as a rock, an intellectually lazy person and intellectually dishonest to boot. I would say I hope you don't procreate. But you have. Good thing that you're to stupid to eek out a living that your Baby Momma raises them.


Also it's called war. They started the war to kill jews and take their lands. So what's your point?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 8:35pm On Nov 28, 2023

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 9:25pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:


Also it's called war. They started the war to kill jews and take their lands. So what's your point?


The Jews cheated the five Arab countries to attack them and drive them into the Mediterranean sea so that they (Jews) would defeat those armies and drive the Palestinians to refugee camps out of Israel.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by bemeruca: 9:37pm On Nov 28, 2023
basilico:


The Jews cheated the five Arab countries to attack them and drive them into the Mediterranean sea so that they (Jews) would defeat those armies and drive the Palestinians to refugee camps out of Israel.

Crazy. Leftist be like US should be ashamed for taking the land from native Americans. Israel goes back to their land and fight for survival in the land... Leftist be like genocide... Israel has been Reacting since the nation was established

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 10:51pm On Nov 28, 2023
bemeruca:


Crazy. Leftist be like US should be ashamed for taking the land from native Americans. Israel goes back to their land and fight for survival in the land... Leftist be like genocide... Israel has been Reacting since the nation was established

Do you ever hear anything about Turkish occupation of Cyprus. They invaded the mothern part of Cyprus in 1974.
Nobody talks about it yet Israel has three times more resolutions against it from the UN than the rest of the world combined every year .

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by feedthenation(m): 11:46pm On Nov 28, 2023
budaatum:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/house-republicans-reject-hunter-biden-testify-publicly-1234900395/
😆

---The GOP wants to control the close door testimony to suit their narration---

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Timiofak(m): 2:52am On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


Hey Timiofak. Quit from what I believe?
While you were away, several people came out from the closet. In style.
They are terrorist supporters and they hate conservatives, christians and Trump not necessarily in that order.


Lmao.

Bro you are going off the rails

Every single thing you have been saying for the last 4 years have come out to be lies

Don't you get tired of failure?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 7:03am On Nov 29, 2023
Timiofak:


Lmao.

Bro you are going off the rails

Every single thing you have been saying for the last 4 years have come out to be lies

Don't you get tired of failure?

Just one thing that turned out to be a lie.
I dare you to provide evidence of a single lie
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 7:07am On Nov 29, 2023
Another Trump case about to bite the dust like all will if there is honesty.
Letitia James fraud case. She is suing for fraud in a case where there is not a single victim..
Star witness Michael Cohen testified that he was never instructed by Trump to inflate his assets. That should have been case. closed but the judge twisted his interpretation to declare he has a remedy ( for what aggrieved party?)
Yesterday a bank executive who personally approved Trump's loans had this to say.
Banks do their due diligence They don't follow the valuations by the. clients.
Banks loaned him money after doing their due diligence, then he repaid the loans with interest. Letitia Kes gets butthurt , wants to fine him $250m and ban Trump family from doing business in Big Apple.
Example. Who can give the value of Chrstian Ronaldo brand accurately?

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 7:34am On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:

Dems never want voter ID because it will suppress black voters.

Sometimes it almost as if your stance is different from what you really know is the truth. WTH will a "black" man want the "black" vote suppressed?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 7:41am On Nov 29, 2023
bemeruca:


You don't have the intelligence to understand. that is what Palestine is all about, Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Yemen etc. From the RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE OF JEWS.

You have been wrong on so many things. especially when it comes to Ukraine and Israel. you will continue to be wrong.
in the mosque, they teach them how they will kill of israel, then the great satan US and then Gog and Magog = Russia. this battle will bring Jesus back to earth.

So you want to stop Jesus from coming? LMAO!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 9:46am On Nov 29, 2023
LordReed:


Sometimes it almost as if your stance is different from what you really know is the truth. WTH will a "black" man want the "black" vote suppressed?

I can list many links from.politicians and experts opining on how voter ID harms the marginalized
On image below is the American Bar Association take, which is not a ragtag bunch of lawyers.
Seems like marginalized communities esp bleks have a problem obtaining an ID which is a requirement to buy alcohol. Or some form of ID for SSN, bank account holding or a driving licence. Please.
Next?

After this you might want to agree that the voter ID is a danger to democrats because they want illegal aliens to vote.
cc Timiofak ( You are a nice guy that can convert to MAGA) 😀😀😀.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 11:26am On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


I can list many links from.politicians and experts opining on how voter ID harms the marginalized
On image below is the American Bar Association take, which is not a ragtag bunch of lawyers.
Seems like marginalized communities esp bleks have a problem obtaining an ID which is a requirement to buy alcohol. Or some form of ID for SSN, bank account holding or a driving licence. Please.
Next?

After this you might want to agree that the voter ID is a danger to democrats because they want illegal aliens to vote.
cc Timiofak ( You are a nice guy that can convert to MAGA) 😀😀😀.

LoLz! A 50yr old man going to a bar is not going to show ID don't be ridiculous. ID for SSN? Are you dreaming? As for bank acct and driving license WTH do you think "black" communities are said to be underserved?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 11:45am On Nov 29, 2023
LordReed:


LoLz! A 50yr old man going to a bar is not going to show ID don't be ridiculous. ID for SSN? Are you dreaming? As for bank acct and driving license WTH do you think "black" communities are said to be underserved?

Good Lord. I queried about voter ID. And why bleks need an ID to buy alcohol. Need some form of ID to have SSN, DL, Bank Account, marriage certs, etc. Which I think all bleks can get with no hassle.
But a voter ID is a danger to democracy?
Because with a form of ID they live OK, buy guns to kill each other, start businesses etc But when it comes to voting an ID requirement is a danger to democracy?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 12:31pm On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


Star witness Michael Cohen testified that he was never instructed by Trump to inflate his assets.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 1:07pm On Nov 29, 2023
budaatum:


Trump inflated net worth? Good. First person to do dat. Let's get how he did and who determines your net worth. Wolfstreet for you.
After inflating his net worth Banks lent him $$$. After doing their due diligence based on sound business practices they lent him money Which he repaid with interest. So now Letitia James got a butt hurt Where not a single lender is complaining of being defrauded.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 1:08pm On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


Good Lord. I queried about voter ID. And why bleks need an ID to buy alcohol. Need some form of ID to have SSN, DL, Bank Account, marriage certs, etc. Which I think all bleks can get with no hassle.
But a voter ID is a danger to democracy?
Because with a form of ID they live OK, buy guns to kill each other, start businesses etc But when it comes to voting an ID requirement is a danger to democracy?

LMAO! You don't need an ID to get SSN stop saying what you don't know. My children are citizens and I am not so which ID did i present to get their SSN?

Voter ID will be suppression because that is what the Republicans want to use it for.

This nonsense of illegals voting is just pure nonsense. The voter rolls are compiled using citizenship data so how can an illegal get on the roll?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:08pm On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


Trump inflated ....

My point is you are lying!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by LordReed(m): 1:09pm On Nov 29, 2023
basilico:


Trump inflated net worth? Good. First person to do dat. Let's get how he did and who determines your net worth. Wolfstreet for you.
After inflating his net worth Banks lent him $$$. After doing their due diligence based on sound business practices they lent him money Which he repaid with interest. So now Letitia James got a butt hurt Where not a single lender is complaining

But you lied and said Cohen never said Trump asked him to inflate it.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 1:09pm On Nov 29, 2023
LordReed:


LMAO! You don't need an ID to get SSN stop saying what you don't know. My children are citizens and I am not so which ID did i present to get their SSN?

Voter ID will be suppression because that is what the Republicans want to use it for.

This nonsense of illegals voting is just pure nonsense. The voter rolls are compiled using citizenship data so how can an illegal get on the roll?
What's the original sin?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 1:11pm On Nov 29, 2023
LordReed:


But you lied and said Cohen never said Trump asked him to inflate it.

I lied really. Cohen the liar said under oath that Trump never asked him to inflate.
Cohen was counsel

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