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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 8:28pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 8:42pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
abcabc234: why SHOOT ya self on the foot. The fact those who are supposed to ensure proper standards are followed ain't doing their job, is reason there's lots of rubbish in the market. AND a lot of those RUBBISH are being ADVERTISEd here. Once again, it's easier buying RUBBISH Lithium (batteryPack), than it is, buying Rubbish LeadAcid battery. I have had annd used a couple lithium batteries myself, but I bought them in single cells, not something packed together and given a funny priceTag. Yea Lithium chemistry has got it's advantages such as weight per AH, and the fact you could charge them faster BUT how easy is it, buying average quality lithium cells in this our godForSakenCountry. Now someone has mentioned "Pylon Tech" , I expect to see more of such names in writeUps going forward. make una no dey wahala una sef for ma matter. Most people who spend much money either ain't here, or won't have the time to read through all that's said here, so no worry, they hardly would see this and even when they do, they hardly would listen. MeanWhile, my workLaptop now runs on 12-Volts battery. Successfully tested on Toshiba laptop. Those whose powerCable uses centerPin still not very reliable BUT with time, I believe would. Desktop PC works also, but trips off under heavy load. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 8:49pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
IllRatherNotSay: na talks such as this, dey make me talk. Una go dey yarn like say the other no get em own PROs and CONs. 1. You say CycleCount, like Lithium chemistry it's self don't have it's own cycleCount, 2. You say Sulphation is realt for LeadAcid battery, but there's something called “pacifying layer” in Lithium chemistry. 3. Every battery chemistry suffer from selfDischarge 4. Every battery chemistry have a lifeSpan and that would diminish even while still on the shelf and still brandNew. 5. what about AGing ? most things said in here, are nothing but sales pitch. Mind you, I've got Lithium batteries myself. those I harvested, and those I bought. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 8:53pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
isangjohnson:if I were in your shoes, I would ask Google by stating the model of the inverter, which is boldly written on the inverter and the screenshot you shared. Let's learn to help ourselves more, as it reduces chances of others taking advantage of us. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:00pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
abcabc234:care to point out where one said all hybrids are rubbish. and yea, the way those Hybrids dey take spoil (burn) eh, no be here. if you doubt me, ask any repairer who knows their work well. Also, it's difficult quantifying quality of the chargeController baked into an inverter, than when it's dedicated. And when such goes bad, it would cost more fixing them, of course, it's more complex fixing them, that's if such repairs ends up successful to begin with. A quick reCap: You pay (slightly) more to acquire a Hybrid inverter. When it goes bad and it surely would, you pay more to fix it. Chances of successful repairs are more complex than it ought to be. Should the damage go beyond repairs, you don't just loose the inverter, you loose the chargeController also. At end of the day, who loses, and who wins - the dealer, or the final consumer ? of course when marketing to you, they tell you all the sweet things they know you wanna hear or that would appeal to you, never those that wouldn't. The smart ones would seem to tell you a few cons just to sound honest. Once again, most what's been advertised here, not just the inverters, or the concealed lithium cells, despite the humongous prices, are rubbish, and are mostly there to further enrich the dealer, not the final consumer Hardly would you see products of average quality here. you know why, it's because they wanna make a sale as quick as possible, earning so much wiithin the shortest time possible, and people are more likely to buy cheaper versions. Now that's not so bad if done properly, BUT attempting to brainWash everyOne into believeing what you spewing is absolute best is where I've got a shitLoad of problem with you guys. Most can't even use what they praise. There's reason it's easier being rich, than wealthy 3 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:06pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
idsolar: so you want us to go back to LeadAcid battery when we have our HighQualityAlmight Lithium batteries just because your client needs money. Meanwhile, is it Tubular or dryCell or Gel or Lithium ? Who knows, Amaron fit don get Lithium battery. I presume it's 200AH, but it doesn't hurt stating such basic informations |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by PotatoSalad(m): 9:20pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
earthrealm:Lemme holla at you bro. What's your WhatsApp number? 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by samir101ng(m): 9:30pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 10:00pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
@bassdow I'll apprreciate if you can post some of your setup pictures. Visuals are easier to assimilate. I love the idea of converting your appliances to DC to run them directly off battery. It does eliminate conversion wastages and present few point of failure. I didn't see your response to someone that asked how you manage to eliminate voltage drop over distance or if you have battery in each room. I'm tempted not join hybrid vs non-hybrid and lfp vs lead-acid convo. So many of us are where we are today because of the knowledge freely shared here. You said most of the LFP around are scrap, I'll add that most of the lead-acid battery around are crap too. The question then is which better? I lean towards my experience and that of a few long-standing users of this thread who have equally migrated. I started out in 2008 with cyberpower 24V 3.5kva with two 12v lead-acid battery. I had to replace one of the battery within 2 years and later increased to 4 batteries. I introduced victron battery balancer after replacing the battery as I envisage that the battery might have died from imbalance. I have had to replace battery 5 times in the course of 14yrs even with minimal load of less than 500w. Probably I got poor battery. Despite that the inverter was capable of charging at 60A I hd to set it to less than 20A so as not to stress the battery. The self concumption of the inverter at no load was 70W,inverter efficiency less than 80%. This means that the inverter consumes much of the backup power. These are few of the cons of my previous setup. Compare the above to now that I used a hybrid inverter with 92-97% efficiency, LFP with 6000 life cycle (that is in 16yrs capacity is expected to reduce to 80% not that it will die). I can charge as fast as I want and discharge as much as I want. I can cycle it at 90% continously without worrying if it will die suddenly. In the short term, an LFP of 120AH is equivalent to a lead-acid of 200AH in terms of capacity while the LFP would be able to deliver better instantaneous amperage. In the long term, the net cost of LFP is lower than that of lead-acid. This is my personal experience, which is totally different from yours. Will I superimpose my opinion on yours? No, because your use case may be different. Understanding the technology behind a product and using it within the spec sheet gives peace of mind. They are people who hve used the product you bash here and there for ages without issues. You can ask them for tips. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 10:49pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
mank1234: I don't bash or condem Lithium batteries. Just saying that a lot of these battery packs being advertised are not worth it. And NO, I don't superimpose my opinion on others. And yes, it's far easier buying rubbish Lithium when you buy those battery packs than when you jejely buy leadAcid battery. if we could have a couple of Nigerian companies who couple such battery packs using quality cells and parts, I would sing their praises harder. My major issue is the way and manner they make their wares (e.g batteryPacks) seem like a saint with no single fault annd the best in our lifeTime. I didn't see your response to someone that asked how you manage to eliminate voltage drop over distance or if you have battery in each room.well I didn't wire the entire house on 12-volts. The voltage drop would be crazy even if I choose to wire the house on 48-volts. what i did is, I have my home office and ma server room and those are the place where I did what I did. still expperimenting on converting a CPU motherBoard to run entirely on 12-volts system with no form of invertion but don't have time to further it. At the moment, most run on 24-volts or directly on 240-volts mains. My laptops either run on 19-volts (i boost 12-volts to 19-volts) or run it directly on 12-volts like I currently do. Works well for laptops with no centerPin. These are things, that had I found in market, would gladly pay for; and I'm sure a lot more people would. A single 2-year old 150AH battery currently power 2 core i5 laptops for over 2-days on single charge. Tell me lots of Nigerians wouldn't gladly pay for such should they find it. I searched a lot for such before i decided building one for myself. of course I have had challenges but what good thing doesn't. So imagine when i find people coupling poor, low quality lithium cells with superCheap PWM chargeControllers, laptop charger into a metalic or wooden box and sell at very high prices. and you exppect I just keep mute. Just so you know, I have never bought such BUT that's because I probably have experience there. How many people are that lucky. Even when I say certain things here, it's so someone picks up on it and give it a trial. As we grow, we tend to have less time than we used to. Wetin una dey wait for, na make person suffer put together such circuitry, then the moment una see say people dey buy am, una wey don dey established in the circle, and with more funds, and outlets, would quickly duplicate it and the original person ends up not recouping even their initial expenses. Common to think out of the box dey hard us. na to copy wetin another person don do we dey like. those in the business of coupling lithium cells and selling it, could make smaller versions that would power things like TV, laptop, etc for several days on single charge and see if lots of Nigerians won't jump on it. I can't even use sachet inverter sef because it would give less backUp time than I currently get when I SKIP the inverting stage. My flatScreen TvMonitor is rated 19Volts but both the 19-Volts TvMonitor, 2 other laptops, and my outDoor Tv antenae are all connected to a single 150AH battery with no inverter. Funny thing is, the external Tv antenae draws power from the USB port of the TvMonitor. All I did was rip out the transformer isnide the Antenae, and wired a USB cable to it and pronto, e dey work, though e no dey rotate but that's of no use to me. Now imagine one creating a product out of this and tell me it wouldn't sell like hot cake. A lithium battery would be less bulky, while delivering more Amperes per KG of weight. you could even for a fee, help people convert their existing TVs, gadgets, or make suggestions on the sort to buy that requires no conversion. if I am to buy a TV today, I look out for those with external power adapter/pack. Even if dem write 21-volts for the body, I go try am for 12-volts becase chances are high, it would work. Even if it doesn't, it's cheaper boosting to the exact voltage, than going from 12/24/36/48 volts to 240-volts, only to have it stepped down again to say 19-volts of which would still be further stepped down again to something much lower. See eh, when you're good at what you do, even your enemy would have little to no choice than to patronise you because at end of the day, they want and need what you've got to offer. it's because a lot of us are not unique, even the copyCopy sef, we ain't good enough, is reason we struggle so much. As for PICx, forget am, I'm not here to convinve anyOne. I have given out more free information, than I've gotten. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by twinskenny(m): 11:08pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 11:16pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
bassdow: So why are you telling us what you have done if you are not willing to share? What's your motives? The knowledge is common knowledge and too basic to be hidden in my opinion. If one wants to, most HND students and some road side electricians can do the converion. Most people won't even go that route because of - warranty on products and unsightly wiring. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 11:22pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
mank1234: which one is -message deleted ? Who're you trying to fool ? A click on ma username takes me to the post you made to look like it's deleted. Wonder how one could trust a sleazy fellow such as yourself. if wetin I dey write dey affect you, why not just ignore me. maybe I would tire when no one gives me attention. Who knows, mayBe i crave for attention |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 11:35pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
bassdow: Quoted message don't get deleted on nairaland. I removed your message from the qiote because it was too long while I retained the quote so your original message can be referenced. You don't need to be super suspicious of everyone's moves. We are here to learn not to crave attention. No harm was intended; don't get pissed off. Or is it a way to digress from the discussion. 5 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 11:38pm On Nov 29, 2023 |
mank1234:naYouSabi make I go watch film small. I need clear ma head. nothing dey nairaLand today |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by IllRatherNotSay: 8:26am On Nov 30, 2023 |
LifePo4 battery is an improvement over lead acid battery. True or false? Some of us know that to be true, LA manufacturers know that to be true, I do not know about you. Your comparison is not useful. Scientists are improving on existing issues, creating new issues inadvertently, and keep improving on it. If you want to be stuck in the past, that is your cup of sand. I will move forward. Some people but LA batteries because of cost, that is fine. However, that does not invalidate the superiority of lithium batteries. We are awaiting the mass availability of solid state batteries, you may want to start researching the cons of that battery so you don't miss out on long unhelpful sentences in the future. Adios. bassdow: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by oweniwe(m): 8:34am On Nov 30, 2023 |
bassdow: Na everybody get money to buy lithium ![]() |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 8:42am On Nov 30, 2023 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by isangjohnson: 9:18am On Nov 30, 2023 |
There are a lot of messages one needs to ignore in this forum |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Obnoxious2001(m): 12:32pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
3kva gennex hybrid inverter for sale. Price 270k negotiable ... Location warri. Delta state
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Drgreatone: 1:21pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Anyway you can show us how u connect ur tv directly to the battery here or I private chat you. My TV uses a dc adapter and is like the biggest load on my inverter presently. Thanks bassdow: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 1:32pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Drgreatone:How many Volts is written on the back of your Tv ? I mean the voltage on the back of your TV. if possible, show us a clear image of the back of your TV. Chances are, it's between 21-volts or 19-volts or maybe below. one of mine is 19-volts, while the other is 21-Volts and both works perfectly. The connection is very very simple. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 1:35pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
isangjohnson:Yea |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Drgreatone: 2:45pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
bassdow:I meant it has like a laptop charger pack going into it. Its a Sony 50in smart tv. Would check the back of the tv when i get home. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by isangjohnson: 4:36pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Obnoxious2001:10.5 Lvd is not bad 12v LFP battery bank. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by isangjohnson: 5:01pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Masterdazhem:If you have good installer in Benin, please let me know. I designed a small 12v 160ah lifepo4 battery with 1.2kva 12v Tbb inverter, 80A Felicity Mppt CC and 2 pcs of 345w Jinko pv to power 120w freezer during the day and 45w LG tv, about 3 ceiling fans of 14w each and few lighting points (energy saving bulbs) at night for my friend. The guy called two different installers and he was told the system will not power the stated loads. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tetralogyfallot(m): 5:40pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
My metal casing extracted MTN lumos Samsung high drain quality cells are still available in large quantity. Capacity test is done and no cell is less than 2600mAh. Chat me on WhatsApp 08034694579
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tetralogyfallot(m): 5:47pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Samsung ICR-18650-26j CELL With Good amperage.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tobennae(m): 5:53pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
bassdow: Be like say you get some people for mind and you have had a bad experience. Pls. mention names. Don't be shy... 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 6:31pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
Drgreatone: Please kindly do and get back to me. meanwhile, for a 50inch TV, that would/should struggle on 12-volts Ooo but doesn't hurt trying. Let me know the voltage written at the back of the Tv first. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 6:36pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
tetralogyfallot: You saying all those are MTN Luminous battery packs. How were you able to acquire so much of such ?
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 6:40pm On Nov 30, 2023 |
isangjohnson: me gan sef, seeing a 12volts system powering a Freezer is some how. Even if it works, you would overStress the batteries faster than necessary. And the 2pcs of 345Watts solar panels sef is small. |
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