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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 7:02pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


Abacha no consign me.

Buhari as Petroleum Minister built 3 refineries and as PTF chairman built 144,000 kilometres of road and equipped all our schools with things beyond our imagination, even school buses and tractors.

Now sell GEJ to me in 2015 after having by far the highest revenues on record and $22bln savings kept for him which he yammed through by thw end of his tenure. Sell me ONE THING except that Sanusi had enough dollars to keep the Naira stable.

Why should I sell you GEJ when I no dey support am or PDP...But you absolving your man Buhari,APC for this inflation mess won't fly...

Here his your man's time as petroleum trust Fraud Chairman which enticed you under general abacha

Part of the report disclosed that the sum of N26 billion was mismanaged by the company contracted by the PTF as management and project consultant when Buhari was the chairman.

Recall that then Gen. Muhammadu Buhari was appointed the Chairman of the PTF by late Military Head of State and dictator Lt. Gen. Sani Abacha, whom he had absolved of any corruption allegations despite the infamous ‘Abacha loot’ being repatriated by the Swiss government under this administration.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 7:04pm On Nov 30, 2023
CAPdan21:
This na better Lamba on steroids...Make Buhari carry this Lamba enter aba market whether them nor go tear him agbada...

A hungry man is an angry man regardless if he knows the reason for his hunger or not.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 7:05pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


We have been going over the same thing the last few pages. Inflation in Nigeria is driven by the value of the Naira which is supported by our oil revenues.

You cannot support Naira with your bare hands, you have to buy it with dollars from your oil revenue.

Buhari even overdid his support of the Naira even when we had no dollars to prop it up. Tinubu is the one showing us the true value now.
My understanding of economics is very pedestrian, whilst I agree with oil revenue playing a major part in determining Naira strength, the failure of Buhari govt policies and decisions cannot be overlooked - especially when we take into account the growth in diaspora remittances.

Besides, oil prices have since recovered in the last 2yrs but we as still massively borrowing, and if Buhari had implemented gas policy we would have made massive killing during the recent energy crisis.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 7:07pm On Nov 30, 2023
Amigoss:


Why should I sell you GEJ when I no dey support am or PDP...But you absolving your man Buhari,APC for this inflation mess won't fly...

Here his your man's time as petroleum trust Fraud Chairman which enticed you under general abacha

Part of the report disclosed that the sum of N26 billion was mismanaged by the company contracted by the PTF as management and project consultant when Buhari was the chairman.

Recall that then Gen. Muhammadu Buhari was appointed the Chairman of the PTF by late Military Head of State and dictator Lt. Gen. Sani Abacha, whom he had absolved of any corruption allegations despite the infamous ‘Abacha loot’ being repatriated by the Swiss government under this administration.



If N26bln was mismanaged and PTF still achieved what it did then it shows how much is being mismanaged by those with 30 times the budget who don't achieve anything. I won't argue with you whether money was stolen because money is always stolen, but the projects you achieve with your budget will show to what extent money was stolen compared to others.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:10pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


Abacha no consign me.

Buhari as Petroleum Minister built 3 refineries and as PTF chairman built 144,000 kilometres of road and equipped all our schools with things beyond our imagination, even school buses and tractors.

Now sell GEJ to me in 2015 after having by far the highest revenues in Nigerias history and $22bln savings kept for him which he yammed through in the first year of his tenure. Sell me ONE THING except that Sanusi had enough dollars to keep the Naira stable.

Ibime:


Which party do Aregbesola and Rochas belong to?

I will favour Amaechi and Fashola because they performed in comparison to their competition. Infact I'm on record as being very pro-Lagos politicians because whether you like it or not, they are planets ahead of other states political systems.


It comes up in personal discussions.there is corruption in lagos. Yet somehow, there is progress. Measurable progress. Progress that actually improves peoples lives. There is a link bridge being built that will link amuwo to apapa oshodi expressway and orile. Once that bridge is done, I can literally leave my home and be in oshodi in 20 minutes. Same for Apapa. This will improve the lives of everyone in that axis. It will eliminate the hour plus lost in mile 2 every morning. And it will eliminate the traffic robberies for the same reason.

Investment in initiatives that will actually make lives easier - not just mindless chop money.

Also You cannot make up a well done ptf road. Or proper functioning equipment and supplies, not rubbish that fails in two months. And people will remember these things.

This is what Ibime is talking about. We already know money will be stole. It is inevitable. The question is what is done with the money not stolen? What is the performance record?

That is what sold people on Buhari. The man would have been good as a works minister in an era of abundance, but that is a story for another day.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 7:13pm On Nov 30, 2023
Olowunl01:

My understanding of economics is very pedestrian, whilst I agree with oil revenue playing a major part in determining Naira strength, the failure of Buhari govt policies and decisions cannot be overlooked - especially when we take into account the growth in diaspora remittances.

Besides, oil prices have since recovered in the last 2yrs but we as still massively borrowing, and if Buhari had implemented gas policy we would have made massive killing during the recent energy crisis.

Oil price may have recovered but the hole is already dug and the reserves are already depleted by years of low price. It's just like your personal finances. If you dig hole, it will take as many years to fill the hole as it took to dig the hole.

Oil revenue also has two elements - Price and volume. My faulting of Buhari is actually in his rough handling of Tompolo and co that affected sales volumes. I will accept that as Buharis impact on inflation

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:17pm On Nov 30, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
BlueRayDick 😁😁

My guy, I just sey observe 👀

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CAPdan21(m): 7:22pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


A hungry man is an angry man regardless if he knows the reason for his hunger or not.
Buhari used his 8 years to spin lamba of PDP mismanagement while the people were being strangled by the cost of living...Tinibu has only spent 7 months and we're still hearing more lamba blaming PDP instead of finding solutions...So I'm not impressed by all this thesis

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:31pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime is not celebrating Buharis achievements as president of Nigeria. He is talking about Buharis achievements as petroleum minister and ptf chairman. Things that he witnessed and experienced directly. Not white elephant airport projects but actual initatives that delivered.

Ibime is stone cold and sometimes morally flexible. cheesy

his stance is simple - Buhari added value as ptf chairman and as petroleum minister.

He ultimately did not add value as president, because he was unwilling to adopt belt tightening reforms and also because he went after poorly thought out projects of dubious value

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 7:34pm On Nov 30, 2023
Snows are dark in colour with the right lamba.


Na so life just be

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 7:37pm On Nov 30, 2023
Amigoss:


Na Abacha get this credit na cos it was his govt that created it,you want whitewash Abacha for us? Moreover there is thread about Buhari's time as petroleum trust Fraud chairman here on nairaland and on the internet,cos we small then no come dey bobo us sir....

https://www.nairaland.com/2046305/buhari-ptf-days-untold-story



Omo, this article was written in 2014 and it almost perfectly describes the entire Buhari 8 year administration between 2015 and 2023.

If you change the dates and a few other things, you can easily pass it off as an article written in 2023 and no one will doubt it.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazzet: 7:37pm On Nov 30, 2023
Of course glorious gbola who still supports this wicked party called the APC would try to minimize the catastrophic destruction Buhari brought upon our country that has now set us back many years.

Trying to lighten the failure of buhari while simultaneously supporting the current EVEN WORSE present administration.

Y'all, don't allow yourselves to be deceived by these bad partisan agents who consistently rationalize the evil of these men and try to whitewash their sins.

They don't mean well for us. They don't mean well for this country. Some of us have been victims of their brainwashing before. DONT FALL FOR IT AGAIN!

keep your eyes on the lookout for further gaslighting tactics. Making you question the reality of your own experiences.

DONT FALL FOR IT!

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 7:39pm On Nov 30, 2023
GloriousGbola:
Ibime is not celebrating Buharis achievements as president of Nigeria. He is talking about Buharis achievements as petroleum minister and ptf chairman. Things that he witnessed and experienced directly. Not white elephant airport projects but actual initatives that delivered.

Ibime is stone cold and sometimes morally flexible. cheesy

his stance is simple - Buhari added value as ptf chairman and as petroleum minister.

He ultimately did not add value as president, because he was unwilling to adopt belt tightening reforms and also because he went after poorly thought out projects of dubious value


That's just it.

Buhari failed woefully by trying to make a name for himself with poorly conceived infrastructure projects when we didn't have the money. He is at best a good works minister in times of abundance.

OBJ remains my favourite President because he did what the times demanded. He allowed our infrastructure go to waste but that's because he had debts to clear. And when he got debt forgiveness, he set up solid savings to protect our future

Jonathan was the biggest waste of space., a President who ate through everything including all our rainy day fund in a time of extreme abundance, and left nothing to show for it.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CAPdan21(m): 7:40pm On Nov 30, 2023
GloriousGbola:
Ibime is not celebrating Buharis achievements as president of Nigeria. He is talking about Buharis achievements as petroleum minister and ptf chairman. Things that he witnessed and experienced directly. Not white elephant airport projects but actual initatives that delivered.

Ibime is stone cold and sometimes morally flexible. cheesy

his stance is simple - Buhari added value as ptf chairman and as petroleum minister.

He ultimately did not add value as president, because he was unwilling to adopt belt tightening reforms and also because he went after poorly thought out projects of dubious value

The same way you were definitely not celebrating four kegs of fuel as some kind of achievement..After Tinibu finish with una na 1 litre of fuel you go celebrate

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ballzproblem2: 7:47pm On Nov 30, 2023
Segedinho:
Snows are dark in colour with the right lamba.


Na so life just be


just use big grammar that's all it takesgrin

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 7:51pm On Nov 30, 2023
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 8:12pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


Oil price may have recovered but the hole is already dug and the reserves are already depleted by years of low price. It's just like your personal finances. If you dig hole, it will take as many years to fill the hole as it took to dig the hole.

Oil revenue also has two elements - Price and volume. My faulting of Buhari is actually in his rough handling of Tompolo and co that affected sales volumes. I will accept that as Buharis impact on inflation

Nah Chief - add his failure to take a serious stand on security issues affected our agriculture and other failed policies contributed to food inflation, which is the one that hits the common man more.

Borrowing to defend the Naira nko? So even if Tinubu term oil increase and volumes are up, no be gbese we go use am pay?

His policies and decisions contributed more, not just oil price decline, if not after 2/3 years of oil price recovery we suppose to dey see some rays of sunshine, instead from your own admission it is gonna get worse before it's get better...

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:14pm On Nov 30, 2023
CAPdan21:

The same way you were definitely not celebrating four kegs of fuel as some kind of achievement..After Tinibu finish with una na 1 litre of fuel you go celebrate

I thought by now you would have grown up. But you are still a child pursuing childish things. like so many of the clowns you run around with planning is alien to you. Ensuring I have my energy for the week or month planned out is something I will always be proud of. It is people like you who will chase remote job and then start telling client I don't have data, I don't have power.



I actually know clowns like you in real life. The only thing one can rely on them for is excuses.

It is also why you and so many of your fellow clowns can only cry like small children. Because planning and preparing is alien to you and all you can ever do is react. Anyone with a modicum of sense would have known that these days would come. Our income has dropped but you somehow think our lifestyle will remain the same

Also - your precious Peter obi also said he would remove subsidy. Or you are too simple minded and emotional to understand the implications of that.

Or you think he will make an empty speech about production and everything will be alright?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:20pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


That's just it.

Buhari failed woefully by trying to make a name for himself with poorly conceived infrastructure projects when we didn't have the money. He is at best a good works minister in times of abundance.

OBJ remains my favourite President because he did what the times demanded. He allowed our infrastructure go to waste but that's because he had debts to clear. And when he got debt forgiveness, he set up solid savings to protect our future

Jonathan was the biggest waste of space., a President who ate through everything including all our rainy day fund in a time of extreme abundance, and left nothing to show for it.

Obj sold the bloody refineries. A knowledgeable poster I follow said he should have sold them at the start of his second term. Selling at the end of his second term was a ultimately a bad decision as yardua reversed the sale. If he had done it at the start of his second term, it would have been a fait accompli and we would have put the whole refinery TAM nonsense behind us. And the refineries would have been working or repurposed.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 8:24pm On Nov 30, 2023
Olowunl01:

Borrowing to defend the Naira nko? So even if Tinubu term oil increase and volumes are up, no be gbese we go use am pay?

You don't borrow into your reserves. Your reserves are a function of your trade earnings. Which is why Tinubu Afrimex deal raised eyebrows as it's very unconventional, using backdoor to achieve the same goal. Tinubu was virtually doing a version of Barcelona levers - selling NNPC future revenue for money today
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:27pm On Nov 30, 2023
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Realmrsean: 8:35pm On Nov 30, 2023
Amoto94

https://www.nairaland.com/7927291/hamas-claims-responsibility-jerusalem-shooting

Why do you support terrorists?

Why are you always in bed 🛏️ with Muslim terrorists

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Realmrsean: 8:41pm On Nov 30, 2023

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:06pm On Nov 30, 2023
It is not known to this column how close Brigadier Sani Abacha was to Major General Muhammadu Buhari by December 1983. It was Abacha who announced at the end of a few minutes of martial music on new year’s eve that the government of President Shehu Shagari had been thrown into the dust bin of history. Buhari became the fulcrum of that history as Nigeria’s head of state. On August 27, 1985, there was another game, the Revolving Doors’ game. Buhari was out, thrown out, while Ibrahim Babangida, was in, thrown into the pinnacle of political power in Nigeria. Babangida clamped Buhari into the dungeon for some months where he cooled his feet, while his colleagues were bestriding the Nigerian political and military firmament like they owned the world. Babangida left or was forced to leave the throne after eight years of dangerous foot work. He called Chief Ernest Shonekan, a successful private sector entrepreneur, to come and take the baton of leadership.

He took it and as he was trying to hold it in his hand firmly, Abacha who had been eyeing the coveted prize greedily grabbed it in 1994. He immediately increased the price of petroleum products. The public rolled out a series of protests. As an appeasement measure, he set up the Petroleum Trust Fund (PTF) as an intervention development agency to bring succor to the people especially in the rural areas. He made Buhari the executive chairman of the Fund which he ran for five years (1994-1999).

Why did Abacha appoint Buhari the Executive Chairman of PTF? Was it as an atonement for the sin of standing by while he was overthrown by the Babangida Boys? Or was he just sympathetic seeing that the man had been left in the cold by Babangida since his ouster on August 27, 1985? Or was Abacha simply looking for a fabled disciplinarian who didn’t love money too much or the dirty part of it? Buhari needed that rehabilitation, physical, financial and reputational. He was eager to come in from the biting cold and be seen as a man who, despite the overthrow and detention, had kept his dignity and integrity such that Abacha who was Babangida’s man, could trust him with the big-wallet job.

The Petroleum Trust Fund was to intervene in such areas as roads and waterways, supply of educational materials, rehabilitation of educational infrastructure, food supply, health, water supply, etc. Buhari set up a capricious management structure and appointed Afri-Project Consortium (APC) led by a 42 year old man, Salihijo Ahmad. This Consortium was the sole manager of the PTF projects. Ahmad had admitted to Newswatch in an interview published by the magazine in its April 19, 1999 issue that it was APC that wrote the proposal which defined the mandate of the PTF. It suggested the criteria, procedure for selection and appointment of contractors, consultants and suppliers. It also worked out the monitoring mechanism adopted by the PTF. The APC had some 620 consulting firms reporting to it. It was the sole management consultants to the PTF. Most Nigerians had no idea how the PTF was run. It was when President Olusegun Obasanjo took over in 1999 and set up an interim management committee (IMC) headed by Dr Haroun Adamu to wind down the PTF that the worms crawled out of the can. That Interim Management Committee appointed three technical consultants to investigate various aspects of the PTF management. Their findings conducted independently were damning. [b]When I read President Buhari’s remarks a few weeks ago in which he crowed about the achievements of the PTF under his leadership, I decided to do a facts-check since I knew that Newswatch had done a cover story titled “How Buhari ran PTF” which was published in its March 13, 2000 issue. This story was the product of a thorough investigation into the mammoth fraud as discovered by the technical consultants hired by the IMC. Details of the IMC report are distilled for you here. The findings: N144.51 billion had been given to PTF by the Federal Government during its lifetime; A residential estate was to be built at Wuse, Abuja, for N703 million but the technical consultants hired by IMC put the realistic valuation at about N328 million; Between July 1994 and July 1999, about N25 billion was either stolen or improperly expended; Extension of PTF headquarters was to gulp N650 million; Expired HIV/Aids drugs and kits worth N28 billion was supplied to several hospitals nationwide. This was confirmed by the Nigerian Guild of Medical Directors whose Secretary, Mr. Rowland Ogbonna, asked the Federal Government to withdraw the drugs immediately from all hospitals in the country. Many projects were abandoned while the completion rate of other projects was put at 30%; the sum of N500 million that the PTF deposited in a bank disappeared as soon as the IMC was announced. The bank agreed to pay the money after President Obasanjo read the Riot Act to the bank officials. On taking over, IMC discovered that there were no contract documents, drawings or specifications relating to projects. The APC could and did award contracts and vary the pricing without any reference to the PTF. Mr. Ahmad had asked the IMC officials to come and collect some documents in connection with all the transactions. On the day of the appointment he collapsed and died. The other members of the APC team claimed that they were not in a position to supply the documents.[/b]

There were more sordid revelations. The Afenifere did an analysis of the siting of the projects. The consumption of petroleum products by the South was 70% while that of the North was 30%. However, the distribution of the PTF projects was a reversal of the consumption pattern: 70% to the north and 30% to the south. All southern states had 4,440.43 kilometres of roads rehabilitated (24%) while states in the north had 13,870.47 kilometres rehabilitated (76%). Teaching Hospitals’ rehabilitation: South 38%, North 62%; Specialist hospitals: South 29%, North 71%; Food supply: South 17%, North 83%; National Health and Educational Rehabilitation Programme (NHERP): South 0% and North 100%; Vocational Programme: South 3%, North 97%; Primary School rehabilitation: South 12%, North 88%. Haroun Adamu acknowledged the gross imbalances in the sharing of the projects but regretted that his committee could not do much to remedy the situation since by the IMC mandate they could not embark on new projects.

From the findings there was massive fraud in PTF, fraudulently masquerading as achievements. The institution was a government intervention agency but run without the regulatory checks and balances that undergird the implementation of government projects. The Afri-Projects Consortium was just on its own, a loose canon with no authority to check it. Buhari was the Executive Chairman but he was absent-minded and had capriciously surrendered the operational powers of the PTF to APC without diligent supervision. The boys looted the place dry and there was no evidence that Buhari had an inkling of the huge corruption under his feet. Sometime before the IMC takeover, a newsmagazine, TheWeek, had interviewed him about the swirling corruption allegations. He said allegations of corruption against him were false. “My integrity is intact.” His friends said so too and even insinuated that Dr. Adamu was going after Buhari because the former dictator had detained him in 1994. Adamu told Newswatch: “I am not here to probe Buhari, No, that is not our mandate. Whatever happened when he was head of state is long forgotten. He is my friend.”

Buhari’s personal integrity was not soiled by the Petroleum Trust Fraud but he displayed supreme incompetence as a manager. As an Executive Chairman the buck stopped at his desk and no matter how you want to slice it he takes vicarious responsibility for the humongous fraud that took place in that institution. Secondly, the grossly lopsided distribution of the PTF projects between North and South is an awful testimonial for a man of his national standing to whom the nation through the coup makers had given the highest position in the land. His lopsided appointments today constitute a déjà vu.

When I read what he said about Abacha I was sorry for him. He said to a delegation, Buhari Support Group led by Comptroller General of Customs, Hameed Ali. “I don’t care about the opinion you have on Abacha but I agreed to work with him and we constructed roads from Abuja to Port Harcourt, Benin, Onitsha and so on. We also touched education and health. One of the former Heads of State was bragging that he spent $16 billion on power in Nigeria. Where is the power?” The emerging confrontation between the two former dictators, former friends and former allies and now fierce foes, Obasanjo and Buhari, will receive the attention of this column in due course. For now, I think President Buhari’s open veneration of the kleptocratic and autocratic Abacha is a cause for nausea. At the 10th anniversary of Abacha’s death Buhari had given the fantastically corrupt Abacha a clean bill of integrity. Even at that time, Nigeria was running all over the world trying to retrieve the billions Abacha had scattered in several banks in several countries and several continents. The horrifying stories of the elimination of prominent politicians and businessmen by Abacha constitute a notorious portion of our national narrative. No matter how hard Buhari tries, no matter what he thinks of the despicable, despotic Abacha, no matter why he thinks the man was a saint he will never succeed in winning Nigerians to his side. He will only wake up with fleas since he chooses to be in bed with dogs

https://guardian.ng/opinion/petroleum-trust-fraud/

The above is a summary of Buhari's time as the PTF chairman. Make of it whatever u will.

If u think it was a wise decision to reward the person described in the article with 8 years at helms of affairs of this country u are right. If u think it was an unwise decision, u are also right.

One thing that is constant here is : Buhari is the same yesterday, today and forever!

PS: The author of the article is a 75 year old Journalist who lived through the PTF era

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 9:32pm On Nov 30, 2023
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazzet: 9:33pm On Nov 30, 2023
I swear APC propaganda machine is unparalleled in Africa.

They had millions of innocent nigerians believing that the fool Buhari would actually make a good leader.
That propaganda machinery needs to be studied deeply.

My only anger is the "intelligent ones" who still actively support the rubbish party.
Heartless individuals, many of whom are not with us right here to feel the pinch of this gross mismanagement of our lives and can afford the luxury of being sooo far away while supporting these nonsenses.
That is by definition being WICKED and EVIL!

Those are who we call WICKED ABROADIANS.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 9:38pm On Nov 30, 2023
BlueRayDick:


https://guardian.ng/opinion/petroleum-trust-fraud/

The above is a summary of Buhari's time as the PTF chairman. Make of it whatever u will.

If u think it was a wise decision to reward the person described in the article with 8 years at helms of affairs of this country u are right. If u think it was an unwise decision, u are also right.

One thing that is constant here is : Buhari is the same yesterday, today and forever!

PS: The author of the article is a 75 year old Journalist who lived through the PTF era


"All southern states had 4,440.43 kilometres of roads rehabilitated (24%) while states in the north had 13,870.47 kilometres rehabilitated (76%)."

BlueRaydick, how many kilometres of Road did Jonathan do with 30 times the budget

200km from Lagos-Ore-Benin, Jonathan couldn't rehabilitate with gazillions more money

Yet one tribalist will start looking for problem in 4,440km of Southern roads Buhari built compared to 14,000km in North, as if na today things will favour ruling tribe in Nigeria

I read this tribal hatchet job at the time, which only highlighted the evidence of the difference between both candidates

BTW does North road need gutters and suffer from heavy rainfall as South? The money to achieve the same km of road in Bayelsa and Kano can be 5 to 1 because of drainage. What is the landmass of North compared to South? Why will they have same km?

Buhari performance with PTF we all saw with our eyes. Nobody will tell you lamba when PTF bus is picking you up from Federal Government College everyday

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:52pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:



"All southern states had 4,440.43 kilometres of roads rehabilitated (24%) while states in the north had 13,870.47 kilometres rehabilitated (76%)."

BlueRaydick, how many kilometres of Road did Jonathan do with 30 times the budget

200km from Lagos-Ore-Benin, Jonathan couldn't rehabilitate with gazillions more money

Yet one tribalist will start looking for problem in 4,440km of Southern roads Buhari built compared to 14,000km in North, as if na today things will favour ruling tribe in Nigeria

I read this tribal hatchet job at the time, which only highlighted the evidence of the difference between both candidates

BTW does North road need gutters and suffer from heavy rainfall as South? The money to achieve the same km of road in Bayelsa and Kano can be 5 to 1 because of drainage. What is the landmass of North compared to South? Why will they have same km?

Buhari performance with PTF we all saw with our eyes. Nobody will tell you lamba when PTF bus is picking you up from Federal Government College everyday

U are asking the wrong person the wrong question . I don’t remember debating Jonathan with u; neither am I the author of the article .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 10:00pm On Nov 30, 2023
BlueRayDick:


U are asking the wrong person the wrong question . I don’t remember debating Jonathan with u; neither am I the author of the article .

I'm not debating the wrong person. Na una dey ask me why I chose Buhari over Jonathan and na you dey provide the evidence

How many kilometres of Road did Jonathan build?

Let me shock you, PTF budget over the 4 years was only N144bln, and you just listed out what N144bln achieved. In dollar terms (blackmarket) then, that whole budget is less than $2bln. Even going by official rate, it was less than $7bln

Na una dey write article to disparage PTF work, na una dey still highlight the achievement unwittingly. PTF na something we see korokoro everyday, even with that small budget.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:26pm On Nov 30, 2023
Ibime:


I'm not debating the wrong person. Na una dey ask me why I chose Buhari over Jonathan and na you dey provide the evidence

How many kilometres of Road did Jonathan build?

Let me shock you, PTF budget over the 4 years was only N144bln, and you just listed out what N144bln achieved. In dollar terms (blackmarket) then, that whole budget is less than $2bln. Even going by official rate, it was less than $7bln

Na una dey write article to disparage PTF work, na una dey still highlight the achievement unwittingly. PTF na something we see korokoro everyday, even with that small budget.

Is my name Ray Ekpu wrote the article? where u see "una" ?

U better go drink ice water make u cool ur engine down. Person wey ask u why u choose Buhari dey up there , go face am.

Nothing concern me whether u be card carrying member of APC UK; na ur right to associate with any political party u so desire.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 10:32pm On Nov 30, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Is my name Ray Ekpu wrote the article? where u see "una" ?

U better go drink ice water make u cool ur engine down. Person wey ask u why u choose Buhari dey up there , go face am.

Nothing concern me whether u be card carrying member of APC UK; na ur right to associate with any political party u so desire.

Pesin ask me why I chose Buhari over Jonathan, I cited his work with PTF, na you carry busybody go bring article to disparage PTF work, come cosign am say

BlueRayDick:

PS: The author of the article is a 75 year old Journalist who lived through the PTF era


If you want chook mouth, chook mouth like man, no dey behave like woman.

Bring wetin Jonathan do pass that one wey Buhari do with common PTF wey go make me vote am in 2015.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CAPdan21(m): 10:35pm On Nov 30, 2023
GloriousGbola:


I thought by now you would have grown up. But you are still a child pursuing childish things. like so many of the clowns you run around with planning is alien to you. Ensuring I have my energy for the week or month planned out is something I will always be proud of. It is people like you who will chase remote job and then start telling client I don't have data, I don't have power.



I actually know clowns like you in real life. The only thing one can rely on them for is excuses.

It is also why you and so many of your fellow clowns can only cry like small children. Because planning and preparing is alien to you and all you can ever do is react. Anyone with a modicum of sense would have known that these days would come. Our income has dropped but you somehow think our lifestyle will remain the same

Also - your precious Peter obi also said he would remove subsidy. Or you are too simple minded and emotional to understand the implications of that.

Or you think he will make an empty speech about production and everything will be alright?
What brought Peter Obi into discussion of the incompetent Buhari/Tinibu presidency blame game... Keep on celebrating kegs of fuel as a life goal, that's the only thing you're good at...

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