Maxitomxane:


Exactly what i was about to type now...

Read the lesser keys of solomon, perform the rites as stated.
I guarantee your life will never remain the same.
I downloaded the book once but the very first thing i saw, i deleted it asap.
I won't put myself into problem with my hands based on "experimenting".

The Catholics perform exorcism.
Do you think exorcism will be performed if there's no demon or spirit to be removed.
Even movies have portrayed a lot of exorcism, why would they protray such if it didn't exist or some atom of truth wasn't found in it.
Satanists exist to worship Satan.
What satan wants humans to believe is he doesn't exist so he can continue to work unhindered.
There's a reason God said in the bible for us to seek him.
Things of value aren't exposed, they are hidden and that is what makes them have value.
The fact that we can't see air doesn't mean air isn't around us.
The fact that we can't see microorganisms with our own physical eyes doesn't mean they are not there.
Man had to invent something to be able to see beyond the human eyes to see into the world of microorganism likewise instruments to measure the speed and pressure of air.
That's the same way we also need the lens or tools that can help us see into the spiritual.
It takes a personal experience to believe.

I once saw a dark shadow enter my old house(The landlord was a wicked man even to the point that when he died, his corpse was taken out through the window) after my uncle told me he was going to take a bath. I wasn't asleep although I wasn't totally awake but i knew it wasn't human.
It stared in my direction for 2 seconds. It was a complete black figure, no face to be seen and then it went out
I didn't hear the door open.
About 10 minutes later, my uncle came in and i asked him if he came inside to take something, he said no.

I have few other experiences.

valid point, the black figure you saw are entities called Shadow people you aren't the only one that have experienced it, many people has...When my cousin was very young at one point he used to cry that he used to see black human like figures that are just black from head to toe which no other person could see except him, but later he stopped seeing them through the help of his parents with prayers....

EmperorCaesar:



Tomorrow by Gods Grace, I'll drop a link to one Evolution vs Creation argument

It is even more of science vs science

The Evolution books used were Darwin's "On the origin of species" and Richard Dawkins "Selfish gene"


This mathematical probabilities u talk about was well used in all the arguments, starting fromt the possibilities of generating life in an 'Organic soup',down to using fossil records by other geologists


The mathematical probabilities of the moon and sun appearing randomly and all is well treated in it

That's great. What was the final conclusion in the book?

RenaissanceGuy:
Fact: A lot of the people who come to the social media to claim not to believe in the existence of the spiritual have charms and amulets in their homes, some attend MFM , while some are even in the occult. It's mostly to appear posh online; they know what they are doing.

95 percent of them are witches and wizards. Spiritual vampires and devourers. Just camouflaging that the spiritual realm doesn't exist. One of the greatest things that gives the devil joy is the peoples ignorance of his exitence

Elxandre:

Awakening to do what? What do we accomplish in this new state?

When you get there you will know

Fryx:
■ Maybe you should learn to read with patience and with “love”. What I said now, I said it earlier. And I will say it again if you ask me. I just can’t keep my original response to your question because it reveals a lot about me. But even my subsequent response correlates with what I just said. Again, I am not religious. I don’t practice any form of religion. It is there in my original response. It is there in the subsequent one. Read with patience. I already answered your questions. Infact, the universe has already answered your questions - study it with “love” and patience.

You brought up the subject of religion in this, not me.

Again, it is OK to admit you have no real answers to offer. The several attempts you have so far made at lopping together all beliefs and ideas out there clearly show you don't know what you are talking about. So I am not certain what your goal is at this point.

Elxandre:
Or your. Subconscious was filled with materials you've ingested making it manifest in your dreams...

Kaching!

Kobojunkie:
You brought up the subject of religion in this, not me.

Again, it is OK to admit you have no real answers to offer. The several attempts you have so far made at lopping together all beliefs and ideas out there clearly show you don't know what you are talking about. So I am not certain what your goal is at this point.

Originally. I stated why there are so many beliefs and ideas. And at the end, I said “stick to the beliefs of your fathers, else you can’t be free from their wrath.” Which explains why the guy got repercussions after destroying his family gods. Even the god told them he don’t have any problem with their new found faith. But you said all I spoke is “fables.”

And don’t ask me how I came to that conclusion. I was avoiding the probe, that’s why I wrote the “fables.” But that’s the answer you seek. Since you don’t need explanations.

If you have read my response with patience, you should have received your answer.

It’s not a problem holding on to your beliefs. Humans are powerless without a strong sense of belonging.

But when next you wonder why there are so much pain and suffering. When next you wonder why you need to hope on an heaven. Remember you chose individuality over general love and acceptance, and no one will feel rejected without fighting back. And remember Christ never consider an outsider as different, that’s why he can promise you an heaven. Which you can only hoped for because you believe you are different from others.

Fryx:
■ Originally. I stated why there are so many beliefs and ideas. And at the end, I said “stick to the beliefs of your fathers, else you can’t be free from their wrath.” Which explains why the guy got repercussions after destroying his family gods. Even the god told them he don’t have any problem with their new found faith. But you said all I spoke is “fables.”
■ And don’t ask me how I came to that conclusion. I was avoiding the probe, that’s why I wrote the “fables.” But that’s the answer you seek. Since you don’t need explanations.
■ If you have read my response with patience, you should have received your answer. It’s not a problem holding on to your beliefs. Humans are powerless without a strong sense of belonging.
■ But when next you wonder why there are so much pain and suffering. When next you wonder why you need to hope on an heaven. Remember you chose individuality over general love and acceptance, and no one will feel rejected without fighting back. And remember Christ never consider an outsider as different, that’s why he can promise you an heaven. Which you can only hoped for because you believe you are different from others.

1. I did not ask you of several beliefs. I simply asked you about the particular belief you are aware of and are versed in - Your cultural and spiritual ideals.

2. The very reason why I asked of yours was so I can ascertain the root/foundation for the particular beliefs you hold.

3. I read most of your response that I could stomach and it was all nothing but gibberish cobbled from ideas pulled from various beliefs most of them baseless since the foundational texts for such beliefs prove them as such.

4. Bullsheet! Why would you wonder about such things when the answers are presented in the text that you pretend to quote from? No be brain damage be that kain wondering?

Kobojunkie:



2. What dream prophesied your future accurately?

The imagined future is usually mostly accurate.
Which such high accuracy, that should be an extraordinary and paranormal feature that points towards spiritualness.
Most people dreamt of a future event that later happened.
If you have never had such experience, it shows your ecclesiastical or spiritual growth is substandard.

IamSainted:
The imagined future is usually mostly accurate. Such high accuracy should be an extraordinary and paranormal feature that points towards spiritualness. Most people dreamt of a future event that later happened. If you have never had such an experience, it shows your ecclesiastical or spiritual growth is substandard.

Most people? Interesting claim!

Every time I read some of the claims you make here, I am immediately reminded of the infinite monkey theorem

The infinite monkey theorem states that if you let a monkey hit the keys of a typewriter at random an infinite amount of times, eventually the monkey will type out the entire works of Shakespeare.

Kobojunkie:
1. I did not ask you of several beliefs. I simply asked you about the particular belief you are aware of and are versed in - Your cultural and spiritual ideals.

2. The very reason why I asked of yours was so I can ascertain the root/foundation for the particular beliefs you hold.

3. I read most of your response that I could stomach and it was all nothing but gibberish cobbled from ideas pulled from various beliefs most of them baseless since the foundational texts for such beliefs prove them as such.

4. Bullsheet! Why would you wonder about such things when the answers are presented in the text that you pretend to quote from? No be brain damage be that kain wondering?

Well, the basis of my belief is the existence of humans. And the love I have for others. Because when my neighbor hurt me, I try to understand why, and understanding them gives me more knowledge about them. And it gives me more knowledge of their believe. That’s why I can confidently dabble into so many beliefs. Including yours.

The reference I made in my response to you are the “gibberish” from your scripture. My response have mostly been the scripture you believed in. If you are a Muslim, my reference will be the holy Quran. And if you are an ifa adherent, my response will be the verses of ifa. But my reference have consistently been “Your Bible.”

You already know the basis of my belief because the basis of my belief is “You.” Your existence as a soul.


But for the sake of the truth, I will elaborate more on why you must wonder about the suffering of others. I will also give you an illustration.


This is me, a soul having a twin brother. We are birthed by my mum who happened to be exiled from
her community and had to birth us into a wilderness. Here, going by the knowledge she had with her people, she can make fire, and hunt to sustain herself till she gave birth.

Her people her hunters, they don’t know how to cultivate plants for foods. And she succeeded with hunting because she got the knowledge from her kinsmen. And her kinsmen got the knowledge because of several years of trial and error. But they worked together to make life easy for themselves.


Now, I and my twin have become of age, and since our mum thought us how to hunt and make fire, it is easy for us to simply pick up from her knowledge and continue living. But then, she died.

Shortly after she died, I and my brother begin to live in unison because we do t have different beliefs. We simply follow the footsteps of our mum. But then, my brother soon discovered that he can eat plants. And he can cultivate crops and store them for the future so that he don’t need to stress himself whenever he needs food. However, all these are so strange to me and since I am not willing to give up on my past lifestyle, I stated avoiding him.

He was pained that he can no longer have my support, but then, he moved on. Developed his crafts and life the rest of his life happy. However, he was lonely until he died because he no longer have me to rely on.

I continue with my hard life, and also adapt to living alone and I died.

We both died miserable.

But if there is someone that have come to me, noticed my misery and tell me, accept your brother as yourself, and I will give you a better life. I will really love the idea of a better life because I so much long for it. But my long grudge against my brother will make it difficult to truly accept him as a part of me.

But if only I have learned to work with my brother and encourage him to make more findings (even thigh I don’t have the knowledge to do the findings myself). He would have build a more conducive environment for the both of us, and we would have console each other and will never be lonely. However, he has deviated from what my parent teach me, and I have considered him an outsider.

However, I still really need the love, and I will always hope for that love. Hence, I will long for the presence of the person that bring the hope to me. And I will tell my children to hope on the promise of the preacher.

But what the preacher told me to do “love your brother” I consider it impossible because it is not really what I want.

Enough of that. Let me give you a present day illustration.

We are in a country of diverse religion, a country of diverse tribe. But me and you will agree that what is killing us is our religious differences and tribalism. We’ve got a lot of leaders, but they ended up amassing wealth for themselves because they feel they and their families are different from us, and should have more privilege than us.

If they truly love us, they will think of us first. But because like you, they also have their own belief that is different from yours, they will continue to favour themselves and neglect you. And if you reach there, you will do the same. You are the chosen of Christ, a people called for his greatness. That’s why you are chosen to lead, and others must bow to you.

And that’s how the pain will continue. But if only we learn to understand that we are all the same. And the pain we inflict on others today, we will go through it in the future. Then, we would have worked together to build a paradise. We really wouldn’t hope for a paradise after death.

Once again, as Christy taught you, I am repeating - Love your neighbor as your self. This is the only true commandments.

Again, the kingdom heaven is right here within you. (It is there in the scripture)


What that passage means is that the kingdom of God is you. Christ has given you a teaching, which if only you adhere to, you will never wish to leave this present earth. Because Christ teaches you of another realm where all that exist is love. And if you have adhered to this teaching, you will surely find yourself in that realm.

The kingdom of god is here among you because if you truly find love, you will live in the kingdom of your father. If you truly love your neighbor, and they love you back, you will already be living in the kingdom that Christ promised, and once you die, you will find yourself in the presence of love.


I don’t care if you understand me or not. But above all, I want you to know that if you build on loving your neighbor as yourself, you will truly experience a new type of existence. And the kingdom that Christ teaches is within your reach.

Acidosis:
1. Man's existence: Who formed the first man and how?

2. My dreams/visions: I wonder how I can dream about events that are yet to happen, not events from the past, only to have them materialize in the physical world days, months, or even years later.


You don't need any ogbanje spiritual stories to believe in spirituality; the spirit world is as real as the physical one. You are a proof that spirituality exists.

Exactly.
You hit the nail on its head.
Life alone is an example of spiritualness.
The major reason life can't be created by any scientist.
And the reason death is still ineluctable.
The universe and the laws that regulate it, also point to that.
Dreams have prophetic meaning and aura.
That also is spiritual.

albreezy4eva:


1. Nothing special about the "first man" (if it can be proven that is), it's simply evolution.

2. Nothing special about dreams too. It's simply your brain working while your body seemingly rest.

Evolution is nonsense.
A sham belief with no meaningful purpose.
The big bang is too fallaciously ridiculous to be believed.
The complexity of life and the constant and unchanging laws of nature made evolution rubbishy.
Life begets life. Life can't start from nothingness.
Lack of fossiliferous evidence is the nail on the coffin of evolution.

The workings of your brain only?
How about the accurate prophecy of future events - in dreams - that came to pass?
Like promotion, loss, breakthrough, death, clear revelations that are too apparent.

musicwriter:


You just copied but don't actually understand what that quote is saying. Otherwise, where did it say that your God, Jehovah Yahweh created the universe?

Aleast it proved there was a designer.

Stop hiding behind science to claim what science it's self cannot do.

I recommend you go through gofuckyourself thread and posts n learn one or two

IamSainted:

Exactly.
You hit the nail on its head.
Life alone is an example of spiritualness.
The major reason life can't be created by any scientist.
And the reason death is still ineluctable.
The universe and the laws that regulate it, also point to that.
Dreams have prophetic meaning and aura.
That also is spiritual.

Hisimperialmaje:
Ive always known the spiritual is real sha because dreams are evidence of spirituality. In my experience the first day i saw a spirit(ghost) female while strolling in a company of my friend but he didnt see it so when i alerted him am seeing something it suddenly vanished in my sight and my friend felt his head swelling while in a state of confusion and i wasnt feeling the same.

This head swelling must be real. A colleague of mine some years ago who loved chasing anything in skirts was walking back to his base at night in company of a friend. They saw a lady walking alone that night on the same lonely path and decided to try to chase her but she never responded. When they tried touching her to get her attention she turned and faced them and according to him his head and that of his colleague started swelling right there and then no one told them to flee for their lives.
Another good friend and colleague of mine who was a tanker driver told me in confidence that he once carried a fiend thinking he was carrying a girl to a hotel. The fiend actually pretended to be stranded at night when he stopped to pick her up. He suggested they go to a hotel and spend the night so they could continue the next day on their journey. That fateful night he tried cajoling the lady for sex but she refused but he wanted to force his way when suddenly her eyes turned blood red. He jumped and tried rushing at the door but the door he locked refused opening. He now started pleading and the lady had mercy on him and told him that had he not been a man with a good heart she would have killed him. The next day the lady got up and left the room while he dashed after her to the reception where she just vanished into thin air. he asked the receptionist about the lady that just left the hotel and he was told that the hotel door had not been opened and no one had left since morning.
I also have my personal experience which I had never related to any living soul. Whether you believe it or not there is a world you cannot see. That is the real world where matters that have to do with this material world are decided. Even the whites some of us sheepishly follow know this but would want us to believe it doesn't exist. The world is deep people, very very deep.

Kobojunkie:
So a foreigner can step in and do as they please but you who are sons of the soil are shackled to inaction by your ancestral allegiances to your deities?
And even worse, rather than take those chains off their children, your ancestors continually bound even their children to the same chains they were bound by?

yes Foreigner is not only Oyibo it can be anyone black or white
coming to Bondage i don't know what you mean by that but if you a kind of enSlavement then you are wrong. let me explain:
when our Ancestors did those things the had no evil intentions they were only after their own welfare based on their understanding and view of life. They did so with best intents to protect and preserve their lives properties and children and lineage. Those were the only way they connect to the divine. Every society is dynamic to new things the world as a whole is still Evolving some faster than the others bring your new ideas. But don't force it on conservativ

blueAgent:


Aleast it proved there was a designer.

Stop hiding behind science to claim what science it's self cannot do.

If you throw a coin inside an ocean, it would find a perfect resting spot under the ocean without your help.

It has to be that way because it can't possibly be in another way.

The real God (not the bible or Koran God) doesn't interfere with nature but works with it.

Kobojunkie:
Sacrifice to whom? one of their many Indian gods or to local gods in the State of Kano, which? Please, name the particular god and location of the sacrifice so we can investigate for ourselves. If you can add the name of the textile mill(assuming the ritual was in connection to the textile mill you worked at), that would also be helpful here since we are looking for evidence of the many spurious claims made.

When you get to kano let me know so i can direct you. Why don't you ask me for the name of the contractor the company name and their family name and their village phone numbers email and watsapp and the dates they did the Sacrifice and the items they used too so that your evidence will be complete. These are people who understood the times. And who understand how nature works if you like keep wallowing in Ignorance. Even when god Rebuked Ahab for Apostasy, he did Acknowledge the god of Ekron. Even daniel the prince of persia all in their own territory

musicwriter:


If you throw a coin inside an ocean, it would find a perfect resting spot under the ocean without your help.

It has to be that way because it can't possibly be in another way.

The real God (not the bible or Koran God) doesn't interfere with nature but works with it.

See logic!!!

You are really a joke personified.

Let me ask you, (Reason or logic) and consciousness which one came first?

Let's look at it from a philosophical point of view. Is the mind a material or a spiritual reality? It is true the mind needs the brain to function properly, but can we say the mind and the brain are exactly one and the same thing? When we store up information in our mind, are they stored up as material or immaterial substances? If our brain were to be scanned, would we see those images we stored in our minds?

blueAgent:


See logic!!!

You are really a joke personified.

Let me ask you, (Reason or logic) and consciousness which one came first?

Of course, you have to be conscious first to have reason or logic. Consciousness is a default just like throwing the coin under the ocean would find it's perfect resting spot by default.

You should instead dedicate your time to finding out what's consciousness and it's manifestations instead of useless religions.

musicwriter:


Of course, you have to be conscious first to have reason or logic. Consciousness is a default just like throwing the coin under the ocean would find it's perfect resting spot by default.

You should instead dedicate your time to finding out what's consciousness and it's manifestations instead of useless religions.

Thats good, which means the universe was designed by a consciousness.

Which rules out the universe, beenba product of blind chance

blueAgent:


Thats good, which means the universe was designed by a consciousness.

Which rules out the universe, beenba product of blind chance

Consciousness is a DEFAULT for life even on planets without us, in fact, things like fire is conscious of itself as fire.

Water is conscious of itself as water.

Air is conscious of itself as air.

ETC.

They become aware of each other when you pour that water on fire.

Emyogalanya:
■ When you get to kano let me know so i can direct you. Why don't you ask me for the name of the contractor the company name and their family name and their village phone numbers email and watsapp and the dates they did the Sacrifice and the items they used too so that your evidence will be complete. These are people who understood the times. And who understand how nature works if you like keep wallowing in Ignorance. Even when god Rebuked Ahab for Apostasy, he did Acknowledge the god of Ekron. Even daniel the prince of persia all in their own territory

Stop telling tales brandishing your ignorance abeg and answer the question.

Sacrifice to whom? one of their many Indian gods or to local gods in the State of Kano, which? Please, name the particular god and location of the sacrifice so we can investigate for ourselves. If you can add the name of the textile mill(assuming the ritual was in connection to the textile mill you worked at), that would also be helpful here since we are looking for evidence of the many spurious claims made.

Emyogalanya:
■ yes Foreigner is not only Oyibo it can be anyone black or white
coming to Bondage i don't know what you mean by that but if you a kind of enSlavement then you are wrong. let me explain:
when our Ancestors did those things the had no evil intentions they were only after their own welfare based on their understanding and view of life. They did so with best intents to protect and preserve their lives properties and children and lineage. Those were the only way they connect to the divine. Every society is dynamic to new things the world as a whole is still Evolving some faster than the others bring your new ideas. But don't force it on conservativ

1. So a foreigner can excel but a son of the soil can't?

And we are supposed to believe it is of good intention?

mekus15:
Let's look at it from a philosophical point of view. Is the mind a material or a spiritual reality? It is true the mind needs the brain to function properly, but can we say the mind and the brain are exactly one and the same thing? When we store up information in our mind, are they stored up as material or immaterial substances? If our brain were to be scanned, would we see those images we stored in our minds?

According to recent science, yes is the answer to the question in bold.

BeverIyjean:
hi Kobo please can I reach you via mail?
I have some confidential experiences to share with you.
I'll be needing your insights

"Spiritual" experiences?