NICE CONVESATION...BUT IM TIRED... LET ME END WITH THIS IN NIGERIA WE ACTUALLY CLAIM (a lot) TO KNOW AND FOLLOW GOD VERY WELL, YOU CAN SEE HOW ON THIS THREAD WE ARE QUITE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE OF COUNTRY AND OUR DAILY LIFE THE IMAGE YOU SEE IS THE REFLECTION OF OUR HYPOCRICY AS SO CALLED PEOPLE OF GOD... AN "UNBELIEVER" WITH CLARITY IS BETTER THAN A HYPOCRITE BECAUSE AN UNBELIEVER CAN BE SAVED BUT A HYPOCRITE CONDEMNS HIMSELF. happy sunday.

vdestro:


Speak for yourself!

You people hate truth and seek to escape your crimes but I choose to acknowledge mine.

It is your crime and you can choose to do as you please but "God will not be mocked, what a man soweth, he shall reap"

There is no escape for you. So as I told the other you can go on wishing.

remember that GOD IN HIS MERCY DOESNT REWARD US ACCORDING TO OUR SIN lol... No wahala sir... Carry on!! RIGHTEOUS one.

Dtruthspeaker:


The common sense I put on you and you could not answer and then you turned around to resort to ibsults because you can't argue. That's proof enough

Proof that you are demented right?

vdestro:


You do not know how to judge properly that is why you say "no matter the offence".

Something as stealing a phone, you see just the offence of theft, you do not see nor do you measure neither are you able to measure the series of evils/offences that come from what you think is a small offence.

Now let me give you an example of series of offences from that phone theft.

Offence 1 which in Law we call Counts;

Count 1- Stealing

Count 2-Unlawful deprivation of property belonging to another

Count 3: In consequence of the loss, the person who was in search of a job, did not receive the call informing of his successful employment/ or a business deal ( deprivation of right to earn an income)

Count 4: In consequence, He could not pay his Landlord and was thrown out ( deprivation of his right to shelter)

Count 5: Wife who is sick in the hospital unable to pay his bills. ( Further deprivation)

Count 6: Children and his family rendered homeless

Count 7: Children engaging in stealing to survive

Count 8: Children burnt whilst caught stealing

Count 9: Receiving insults and abuse for failure to provide as a man

Count 10: Fighting with everyone in fustration

Count 11: Falsely accusing another of the theft of his phone.

Count 12: having to buy a new phone with money that was meant to push him another day

Count 13: Abusing God for his Life

Count 14: Coming online to say God is not fair for putting people in hell

I can go on and on but you get the idea.

Every thing you do has an effect that can go on and on endlessly hence why Lake of Fire is endless.

The Law is that which you give is what you get.

There is no escaping it.

If all these can come out of one offence, you know you commit other offences too, so you can just imagine.

Well said, we said

Dtruthspeaker:


You wey fear hell so tay if you see dog una dey die or okada wave small una don off! You dey deceive yourself

No be hell we dey fear. Na heaven whe we dey we no wan comot.
I eat what I like.
I travel to wherever I want.
I buy whatever clothes I want.
My boyfriend f*cks me well and I c*m fantastically.
I drive very good cars and live in a posh place.
Which other heaven would I crave for?

If you like don't amend your life be shouting is not logical

gameova:
Try placing your hand in a burning gas cooker fire for just 10 seconds, imagine the pain? Worse still, remember the Aluu 4 boys that where burnt to death in 2012, remember their agony? Now we are meant to believe that a loving God will place his priced creation in a place of everlasting fire burning for all eternity with no form of escape because of finite transgressions and not believing in the death of his son? Even Hitler or the worse human in all history doesn't deserve such punishment.

Christians please make it make sense. Thanks

Eternal Fire means complete destruction with no hope of a resurrection. Anytime Jesus spoke of eternal fire he was quoting Isaiah 66:24. His audience understood the quotation but todays christians don't read their Bibles. The Bible gives us an example of what everlasting fire is. An example of Everlasting fire is the City of Sodom and Gomorrhah. Read Jude verse 7. Sodom and Gommorhah is no more in existence and can never be restored because even the precise location is unknown.

gameova:
So to burn someone in fire eternally no matter the offense is Justice to you? Can you hear yourself ? Even the thieves that are burnt don't burn forever atleast they die after unbearable pain for a while and rest. Now imagine that scenario going on forever? Do you know how long forever is? More than thrillions of years burning in fire? Na wa o

Of course it is not logical. People are just scared of having their safe spaces aka illusions, destroyed. Ignorance is really bliss and I prefer people live a peaceful life.

Sapiosexuality:
Of course it is not logical. People are just scared of having their safe spaces aka illusions, destroyed. Ignorance is really bliss and I prefer people live a peaceful life.

This makes sense bro. Atleast they have Faith in something however vague at least to keep going in hardship.

Dtruthspeaker:


You did not do the calculation. Do the calculation using normal living and see how many years it would travel.

And imagine to count the numbers of persons who have been affected by your act for they too need your justice, so try calculating it

The fact that you're trying to calculate the number of times we sinned relative to how long we'll burn in hell only shows how the "hell fire" nonsense cannot be for eternity.

Dtruthspeaker:


Calling a person mad for behaving like a mad person is not a requirement for being punished not to talk of being punished with hell, so get your judgement right.

And hell does not need anyone to believe in it just like you do not need to believe in kirikiri or Obudu cattle ranch to get there.

Tell me it's not the same hell the muslim faith said others will be going too.

Same as committing sin is not logical.
Flee sin. Simple !

gameova:
This makes sense bro. Atleast they have Faith in something however vague at least to keep going in hardship.

Yeah. I know such contrary knowledge against generational norm and thinking wouldn't give people peace so I don't bother to bring it up unless they do. The idea of hell can't be a product of a morally upright mind.

One has to be chronically indoctrinated, deeply brainwashed, intellectually inadequate and dishonest or sanity loving and seeking or all of the above to really think such a monster has any moral compass.

But anyway, people should just stick to their beliefs if they find peace in it. As long as no one is hurt by it then fine.

Sapiosexuality:
Yeah. I know such contrary knowledge against generational norm and thinking wouldn't give people peace so I don't bother to bring it up unless they do. The idea of hell can't be a product of a morally upright mind.

One has to be chronically indoctrinated, deeply brainwashed, intellectually inadequate and dishonest or sanity loving and seeking or all of the above to really think such a monster has any moral compass.

But anyway, people should just stick to their beliefs if they find peace in it. As long as no one is hurt by it then fine.

You nailed it bro, nothing more to add. I'm not against God but Religion is what i have problems with. I'm more of an agnostic tho i was born in a Christian home. It takes a lot of courage to be free from what you have been indoctrinated since childhood. "God" help us all still.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is not an indoctrination it is God's way of warning you through nature.

You have never feared when you passed an unkown street until one day you had what is called "a sense of foreboding and doom"

No one indictrinstes the fear of helll and that fear was still there even before 1897 when the white bandits attacked Benin.

its a nstural thing and it always falls on the guilty and the wicked whether you are told or not.

It's why I don't argue with apologists.

So which of them is sending a message?

Guilty and wicked but na una wicked pass.

Dtruthspeaker:


Na so una no get sense? Husband wey love you before kon dey beat and troway you because you fuq up, no tell yous ay love don turn to hate?

And common sense no tell you say if you do something wey dey kill love, d love to turn to hate? Na so una mumu pass?

Are you saying God thinks like a man?

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gameova:
Try placing your hand in a burning gas cooker fire for just 10 seconds, imagine the pain? Worse still, remember the Aluu 4 boys that where burnt to death in 2012, remember their agony? Now we are meant to believe that a loving God will place his priced creation in a place of everlasting fire burning for all eternity with no form of escape because of finite transgressions and not believing in the death of his son? Even Hitler or the worse human in all history doesn't deserve such punishment.

Christians please make it make sense. Thanks

You are not alone bro. Many people have posited this your view that a loving and caring God can't subject the works of His hand to everlasting torture.
The problem here is meaning and understanding of hell. Hell exists that's real. From our day to day activities one will realize that good deeds attract blessings likewise bad deeds. If there is a punishment for bad deeds in this world is it not hell?
Hell is denial of God's presence at the end of time. There is no punishment more severe as refusing you the privilege of being with the Lord. A burning furnace is even better than that.

gameova:
Honestly, I found no sense in your write up despite the multitude of words. However, honest question, do you really think you are going to heaven? Cos u spend alot of time cursing people here. Look at this

Matthew 5 v 22

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool! ' will be liable to the hell of fire.

Enjoy your delusion

It's unfortunate that many who focus on the message of condemnation are usually so full of themselves and almost always end up abusing people, however I did like the guys illustrations.

I had hoped your quest was of genuine interest in the truth but I felt I should keep my cool to see where you will arrive at and you didn't disappoint.

It actually fascinates me how people who say they don't believe in God are often so eager to engage those who do just for the sake of saying the same thing at the end that everything is illogical.

Even those who believe in God often make the mistake of trying to reason about God according to the view point of men. But God is not man and does not reason like men.

The Bible in explaining why the Jews don't believe in Jesus says it's because they can't fathom how God can die a disgraceful death of being hung on a tree.

Even Christians make God look like a monster in what they understand, believe and preach about God. They extend man's natural judgemental attitude to God and create a wrong impression that keeps people away from God.

If what many Christians believe about God is true then even they who believe it won't qualify for heaven.

safarifarms:

It's unfortunate that many who focus on the message of condemnation are usually so full of themselves and almost always end up abusing people, however I did like the guys illustrations.

I had hoped your quest was of genuine interest in the truth but I felt I should keep my cool to see where you will arrive at and you didn't disappoint.

It actually fascinates me how people who say they don't believe in God are often so eager to engage those who do just for the sake of saying the same thing at the end that everything is illogical.

Even those who believe in God often make the mistake of trying to reason about God according to the view point of men. But God is not man and does not reason like men.

The Bible in explaining why the Jews don't believe in Jesus says it's because they can't fathom how God can die a disgraceful death of being hung on a tree.

Even Christians make God look like a monster in what they understand, believe and preach about God. They extend man's natural judgemental attitude to God and create a wrong impression that keeps people away from God.

If what many Christians believe about God is true then even they who believe it won't qualify for heaven.

You must be a new comer here if you don't know how this guy curses people and believe he is going to heaven with his self righteousness. He is fond of polluting threads in the religious section with his endless curses on anyone who disagrees with his opinion. He's part of the reason i posted this thread here. Anyways, I have no problem with God or his Son Jesus Christ. I just don't agree with certain doctrinal matters

kkins25:

Are you saying God thinks like a man?

It's the other way round. Creations are like their Maker like the robot and mannequin is like you. So, it is man who is like God.

Dtruthspeaker:


It's the other way round. Creations are like their Maker like the robot and mannequin is like you. So, it is man who is like God.

So, man's affinity for sin, is like that of God's.

Karleb:



My heart has been getting softer for religion lately and you post this. Omo!

I won't lie sha, I still get really scared of hell even though I know it's illogical and I know there is at least one hell waiting for me from another religion.

Indoctrination is bad men.

Hell is too illogical. Doesnt make any single sense to me.

So you mean I will live just let's say 100 years on Mother Earth, but if I die a sinner, or as an unbeliever even if I may be a good person, I will burn forever and ever unto infinity? I will burn more millions of years to come even though I lived for less than 100 years?

So basically, King Solomon with his 300 wives and 700 concubines thousands of years ago is still in hell like this, meanwhile, the devil who tempted them is still freely roaming to tempt more people, but God refuses to kill that modafuckin devil?

Mehn, if this is true, then such God does not love me, is not logical and probably some religious bullshit. Even more funny, I didn't ask to be born. I was not existing before, but my parents decided to have me.

So here I am, with a gender, I didn't choose, a name and nationality I didn't choose, a height, genotype, blood group, IQ and siblings I didn't choose, to obey a religion out of fear, and go to hell if I can't live up to all these things I didn't create?

How is it fair to the northern almajiri to be born wretched, meanwhile, a spoilt brat in Norway is pissed off because his pizza is not hot enough? if both of them go to hell, at least the Norwegian boy enjoyed life, meanwhile, the northern almajiri did not.

And since God is omnipotent, which means he can see the future far into millions of years to come, why let my mama born me when you know I will end up in hell? How can you love me and create such a place of agony for me?

If my child messes up, I will beat him, give him some punishment, and probably disown him if I can't bear it anymore. But God chooses to put me in hell because I question things and use my sense?

The only life I know, is enjoying, and sure of, I should not enjoy, but wait to enjoy heaven after I die, a place I am not sure of? A place nobody has gone and come back to tell me what's up?

The theory of hell is a well-packaged nonsense. Arrant nonsense.

woginid967:


You are very shallow. You think your spiritual body is the same as your spiritual body.


The SPIRITUAL realm will never make sense to you. That's why you need to be out of your body to experience it

Mumu talk, makes no sense...will you feel pain or not?

gameova:
Try placing your hand in a burning gas cooker fire for just 10 seconds, imagine the pain? Worse still, remember the Aluu 4 boys that where burnt to death in 2012, remember their agony? Now we are meant to believe that a loving God will place his priced creation in a place of everlasting fire burning for all eternity with no form of escape because of finite transgressions and not believing in the death of his son? Even Hitler or the worse human in all history doesn't deserve such punishment.

Christians please make it make sense. Thanks

Hahahaha... you even believe that there is "a loving God"? Dey play

kkins25:
And burn, and burn, suffer suffer, but......... He loves you🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Can't believe i used to believe and defend this shit.. 😭😭😭.. My future self looking back at me like "see mumu"

No be only you, my guy. Since I was young, fear has caught me about hell. I live under the tyranny of religion, seeing everything through the prism of eternal suffering, which dulls me and makes some people tag me a mugu.

As in, I will see 100 naira on the roadside, instead of taking it and buying icecream and kuli kuli, I will leave it because it's not my own, and I do not want to go to hell

But I guess such fear was needed then, to make me who I am today. I do not fear hell anymore even if it exists, but it probably does not exist, alongside all the hell from religious books.

If any hell exists, then it's the one on this earth. If you are from a war-torn country, or a slave ship deceiving itself as a country, then you are in hell. If you are stupid, fail to have sense, and become the human sheep of other smart folks, you are in hell.

If you are addicted to many slave masters, from gambling to philandering, to drinking and drugs or smoking, you are in hell. To lessen your hell, live modestly, and don't be anyone's beech.

Enjoy yourself very well on earth. Practice stoicism, a philosophical concept that empowers you organically regardless of your wealth or social status. To be free like a bird should be the ultimate goal of everyone.

Not be restricted by a job you hate, handcuffed by additions, in debt, in jail, surrounded by people who use you for their selfish aims. to be truly free. That is heaven.

There is nothing anybody can do on earth that can warrant roasting for an eternity.

Not even mass murdering or pedophilia.

pansophist:


No be only you, my guy. Since I was young, fear has caught me about hell. I live under the tyranny of religion, seeing everything through the prism of eternal suffering, which dulls me and makes some people tag me a mugu.

As in, I will see 100 naira on the roadside, instead of taking it and buying icecream and kuli kuli, I will leave it because it's not my own, and I do not want to go to hell

But I guess such fear was needed then, to make me who I am today. I do not fear hell anymore even if it exists, but it probably does not exist, alongside all the hell from religious books.

If any hell exists, then it's the one on this earth. If you are from a war-torn country, or a slave ship deceiving itself as a country, then you are in hell. If you are stupid, fail to have sense, and become the human sheep of other smart folks, you are in hell.

If you are addicted to many slave masters, from gambling to philandering, to drinking and drugs or smoking, you are in hell. To lessen your hell, live modestly, and don't be anyone's beech.

Enjoy yourself very well on earth. Practice stoicism, a philosophical concept that empowers you organically regardless of your wealth or social status. To be free like a bird should be the ultimate goal of everyone.

Not be restricted by a job you hate, handcuffed by additions, in debt, in jail, surrounded by people who use you for their selfish aims. to be truly free. That is heaven.

You know the most funny part......... There's no single mention of Hell as we know it in the bible. Somebody called Ayobamidele, Chinedu, Haruna, is expecting to sit at the right hand side of YWHW, who is the god of Ab-Raham, Ya'aqob , Yitzhak (Isaac).
The bible or the authors never claimed that what is written in them is "holy."

But, the Queen Elizabeth language sounds poetic. "thou shall love the lord thy god." Christians be like, awwwwnnnnn, so spiritual.....

Have these guys read Shakespeare?? To me, Shakespeare is like incantations!!

Anyway, we must admit, it takes a special kind of delusion to hold such a powerful cognitive dissonance and not run mad. So, I must confess, I envy those christians who know, but choose to believe anyway. I envy them. That said, there's no one that wants to please the gods of his master than the slave.

1 million people die out of 1 Million and 1. Christians be like : "My god is a good god, yes he is...my god is a good god, yes he is.."

I will never forget the first time i went to a psychiatric hospital to visit my course mate. omo! I almost thanked god. people are really really suffering. "god dey, and this kind thing dey happen" "something is not right somewhere"

I've been waiting for you to debunk a certain claim made by someone about having "evidence" for the ressurection and death of christ. From what I can remember, it was historical and archeological stuff. Kindly respond. My nairaland timeline is too peaceful this days. Kobojunkie doesn't want to entertain me anymore

gameova:
Try placing your hand in a burning gas cooker fire for just 10 seconds, imagine the pain? Worse still, remember the Aluu 4 boys that where burnt to death in 2012, remember their agony? Now we are meant to believe that a loving God will place his priced creation in a place of everlasting fire burning for all eternity with no form of escape because of finite transgressions and not believing in the death of his son? Even Hitler or the worse human in all history doesn't deserve such punishment.

Christians please make it make sense. Thanks

In God's realm; EVERYTHING/ANYTHING is POSSIBLE!.

kkins25:
So, man's affinity for sin, is like that of God's.

That is why it is a like. Like does not mean "same".

And Man's affinity for sin is even his own making and remaking like a child choosing to play and swim in soak-away pit is not like his parents who never went there.

Karleb:




It's why I don't argue with apologists.

So which of them is sending a message?

Guilty and wicked but na una wicked pass.

You don't argue because you do not have any valid thing to say but to argue offpoint and endlessly as you have just shown for clearly you have admitted that men get warned about a perilous doom, which is the point and not which of them is sending the message.

And everyone who is guilty and wicked fears hell and complains about it so this is not a point.

9182736455O1999:

Tell me it's not the same hell the muslim faith said others will be going too.

The most dangerous lies are half Truths. People have already recognised the natural pang of guilt and fear of impending doom so people can replay it in any falls way as they please.

9182736455O1999:

The fact that you're trying to calculate the number of times we sinned relative to how long we'll burn in hell only shows how the "hell fire" nonsense cannot be for eternity.

The fact that you refuse to calculate it shows how you do not want to see that your sins can fill eternity.