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JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 6:43pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever has faith [ pistis ] in Him should not perish but have everlasting [ αἰώνιος , aiónios , aeonic ] life. The Gospel of John is unique among the Gospel books. It isn't based on the Book of Mark, which serves as the foundation for the other synoptic gospels (Matthew and Luke). John's Gospel differs in its terminology, details, and notably in its symbolism, as seen from the very beginning in John 1:1, the Logos. Many verses that Christians use to support the divinity of Jesus are found in the Book of John. Let's explore it further; please open to the Book of John and follow along. John 3:16 serves as a fundamental mantra for the average Christian, deeply ingrained in their subconscious. However, many may not fully grasp the verse's true meaning. Understanding the context surrounding John 3:16 is crucial to decipher its significance. In John chapter 3:1-6, a Pharisee leader approached Jesus seeking guidance on entering the kingdom of heaven. Jesus explained the necessity of being born anew through two means: one through water and the other through the Spirit. The man questioned how he could be reborn as he couldn't re-enter the womb. In John 3:6, Jesus responded that flesh gives birth to flesh, while the spirit gives birth to spirit. This subtle insight highlights that anyone born from the WOMB is born of Flesh. The fabricated virgin birth of Jesus is redundant since it still involves birth from the womb, thus of the FLESH. In John 3:16, the son that God begets is the SPIRIT. This is supported by two points: (1)God is a spirit (John 4:24). (2)Spirit begets spirit (John 3:6). Accordingly, the only offspring of God is the SPIRIT, not Jesus, the son of Mary. Flesh can continue to give birth only to what it has always produced. So, How did Jesus, son of Mary end up as the Son of God? The story of John the Baptist and Jesus' baptism is remarkably intriguing and stands as one of the most significant narratives in the Gospels. Surprisingly, even the virgin birth of Jesus, absent in the first Gospel written—Mark—is considered less crucial. However, the tale of John the Baptist appears in all the Gospels. John clarifies that the primary purpose of his baptism was to reveal the SPIRIT, as stated in John 1:31, emphasizing the unveiling of the Spirit to both himself and Israel. Following Jesus' baptism, the SPIRIT of God DESCENDED from HEAVEN and REMAINED upon him. This pivotal moment, detailed in Mark 1:10-11, marks the point at which Jesus became the Son of God. Before this event, Jesus neither possessed the SPIRIT nor held the title of the Son of God. John's baptism brought about two immediate outcomes: as soon as jesus emerged from the water, having been immersed in it, this significant transformation took place: 1) It revealed the bearer of the Spirit to John the Baptist and the nation of Israel (John 1:31). 2)It bestowed the Spirit upon Jesus, thereby making him the Son of God (John 1:32). In Mark 1:12, immediately following the baptism, Jesus was led by the SPIRIT into the wilderness to undergo Testing, Instruction, and Ministering for forty days and nights. The significance of this duration—forty days—is not coincidental but carries specific symbolic meaning in Jewish tradition, representing a period of Testing and Judgment: A) It echoes Israel’s forty years in the Sinai desert after the exodus, a time explicitly referred to in Scripture as a test of the people's faithfulness (Deut 8:2-3). B) It recalls the forty days and nights of rain sent by Yahweh as a form of judgment (Gen 7:4, 12, 17; 8:6). C) Moses spent "forty days and forty nights" on Mount Sinai receiving the legal statutes of the Torah (Exodus 34:28). Returning to the Book of John, after John the Baptist witnessed the SPIRIT descending upon jesus, he testified to this event in the presence of two of his disciples. As a result of John's testimony, these two disciples, Andrew and Judas, began following Jesus (John 1:35-37). These two, Andrew and Judas, with Jesus were the ones who officially initiated the Gospel. Note: Judas was formerly a disciple of John the Baptist, he is also recognized as the one whom Jesus loved. https://www.nairaland.com/7888378/other-disciple-whom-jesus-loved It was only after the SPIRIT descended upon Jesus that his Gospel, his revelation, commenced. This marked the moment when he became the Son of God and began performing signs and miracles. Jesus kick-started his gospel by delivering a message rooted in Isaiah 61, emphasizing the SPIRIT being upon him after his anointing. Jesus, at the age of thirty (as mentioned in Luke 3:23), had been regularly attending the synagogue. However, before his baptism, he had not preached in the synagogue, nor been recognized as a Rabbi, or performed any signs or wonders because he lacked the SPIRIT. Additionally, despite people selling various items in the synagogue, Jesus had been aware but did not take offense at it until after the SPIRIT DESCENDED upon him. It was only after this event, as stated in John 2:16, that he declared he wouldn't allow it, emphasizing the sanctity of the synagogue as his father's house. Note: The Ebionites, one of the original and earliest followers of Jesus movement, became extinct by the 3rd century. Originating in and around Palestine during the first century AD, they rejected Orthodox doctrines such as Jesus' divinity, virgin birth, and substitutionary atonement. With the influence of Roman authority, these Jewish sects were later labeled as heretical. http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/ebionites.html To briefly summarize the whole article, simply read: John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son....." John 4:24: "God is spirit......" John 3:6: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 1:32: "...... 'I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him'. 1 Like 2 Shares
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Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 7:09pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
A 21st Century rewrite of the same verse would strip out the fabu and go something like: For some humans so loved the world, that they wrote about an only begotten Son's understanding of the Word that had been previously written, that whosoever learneth from it and him should not perish too quickly, but shall live longer than those who don't. The pity is failing to understand the role of Mary in teaching Jesus to read, which is similar to failing to see how Eve freed Adam from slavery. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:15pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:Jesus message was straightforward, and his yoke/yoga is easy indeed, his whole message is summarized in john 15:17. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 7:23pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Can't argue with John 15:17, since it's what I sign. Love one another! They that sayeth they are in the light and hateth another remaineth in darkness. Human Rights Can't say it's "easy indeed" though, since it's not what is learnt by most despite all its teaching in just about every religion worth its salt. 2 Likes |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:25pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:Yeah, I think people find it easier to believe someone died for their sins than to actually love their neighbor. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:27pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Even when you know that born of flesh includes sex and sperm of a man but you saw Jesus born of The Spirit with no sex not sperm! When God comes to avenge Himself of all people like you, you will definitely regret that you ever were born and made to read. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:29pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:John 3:4 can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Jesus, son of Mary, is dead and gone, he has done the works that his father gave him. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 7:37pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Many would rather others be responsible for them and their actions than they be responsible for themselves and their actions. Guess that's why some are here being responsible by teaching them to be responsible for themselves. And when they truly learn what Jesus is written to have taught, they'd not be created from mud to be ignorant naked slaves, but in God's image to rule and subdue and multiply and replenish. 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:40pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Like you have done the work of Satan your father and like your father, Revelation 20:10 is coming for you. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:41pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:💯, Reminds me of an article I wrote about the Crowd, "The more you become one with the crowd, the less your feeling of responsibility and answerability." https://www.nairaland.com/7881371/crowd 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:43pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:"The earliest Christian writings, the Pauline epistles, do not contain any mention of a virgin birth and assume Jesus's full humanity, stating that he was "born of a woman" like any other human being and "born under the law" like any Jew." 1 Like |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 7:50pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Years ago we used to illustrate it with Plato's allegory of the Cave. It correctly describes why Jesus got crucified, which is one reason I prefer smarter Buddha for not 'dying for anyone', though I must recognise that a society struggling to understand the Bible can not possibly be ready for the copious amount of Dhamma that exists. 2 Likes |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:54pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:The society has been indoctrinated with the ceramic way of life, that's, in thinking the universe was molded by a Potter, Buddha's teaching will rattle the society especially the West. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 8:06pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: It already has. Church of England schools have been teaching Buddhism (and Hinduism and Islam amongst others) for decades now and don't indoctrinate with belief anymore. We are just waiting for the teachings to be exported to the masses elsewhere. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 8:08pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:Awesome. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:27pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: Change of Post. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 8:54pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:ChAnGe Of PoSt. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by budaatum: 8:58pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
Maynman: You must not forgive me for saying "sitting on a bud". Lol. You and I must someday review how our relationship got where it's currently at so we may learn for the future. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:02pm On Dec 07, 2023 |
budaatum:😂😂 Yeah, right bro. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 9:20pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Premise #1: The only life people get from their human parents— human father and human mother — is physical — flesh and blood alone. Premise #2: The new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual. 5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.Premise #3(a): God is Spirit 21 Jesus said, “Believe me, woman! The time is coming when you will not have to be in Jerusalem or on this mountain to worship the Father.Premise #3(b): God who is Spirit, in Genesis 2, created flesh and blood. 6 So water[a] came up from the earth and spread over the ground.Jesus Christ is written to have been born of both human and Spirit parents so clearly, a more logical conclusion that should follow is that Jesus Christ, having one human parent and one Spirit parent must have come as both flesh, blood, and spirit. ![]() Jesus Christ was referred to as both Son of man and Son of man to indicate that not only was he born of a human but also of God's Spirit. ![]() |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:33pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Spirit means breath, air or the wind. John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” When god created man, he breathe into him, the breathe is the spirit. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - Genesis 2 vs 7. Spirit is also called neshema or Rauch or Nepesh in Hebrew Jesus, son of Mary is just a mere man, his father his Joseph. John 6:42 Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, 'I have come down from heaven'? The holy spirit descended on him after he was born again with water, which john the baptist testified. John 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:34pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Son of god and son of man is the spirit that descended from Heaven John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:47pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:The breathe/spirit(neshema) came from God DIRECTLY. Genesis 2 vs 7. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - The flesh and spirit came from land, and land came from water(Mayim). Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." That's why you need to be born anew in water and spirit. John 3:5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 9:52pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
![]() 10 Jesus said, “You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don’t understand these things?Jesus Christ didn't say He came down from Heaven as a Son of man— spotting flesh and blood. Rather He said the only one who has ever gone up to heaven — who also wears the title Son of Man— is the same one who came down from Heaven. What Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 13 is in response to the question hinted at by God in Deuteronomy 30 and Proverbs 30:4. 11 “This command that I give you today is not too hard for you. It is not a secret hidden in some far away land. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:01pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Jesus, son of Mary is not the son of man. The son of man is the spirit which god gave to the world, it came from above John 3:31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth. Only the spirit came from above John 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. The verse you quoted on Deuteronomy was talking about the mosaic laws which has been ALREADY given, heaven means Shamayim that's the sky. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 10:05pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
![]() 31 “The one who comes from above is greater than all others. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth. He talks about things that are on the earth. But the one who comes from heaven is greater than all others. ![]() 10 Jesus said, “You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don’t understand these things? |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:08pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:All these was after he got the holy spirit from heaven. John 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And the same way the spirit descended, it will also be raised up. John 19:30 30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 10:21pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.Grace or Eternal Life comes by way of the Spirit of Life while Truth is a reference to the Spirit of Truth which John is said to have revealed Jesus was full of — already had in Him. ![]() 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me.Jesus Christ confirmed what John said when He revealed that He was the embodiment of God's Truth(Spirit of Truth) and Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in addition to the spirit of God's Law aka the Way. ![]() So, exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized? ![]() |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:32pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:The word is the spirit that came down from heaven, that's the reason why john was baptising with water so it can be revealed. John 1:32-33 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 10:33pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:35pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:The spirit is the word of God, that was with God and all that. Jesus was born a normal man and he got the holy spirit, same way David did 1 Samuel 16:13. Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed David in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the Lord came on David from that day forward. Then Samuel got up and went to Ramah. |
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:36pm On Dec 09, 2023 |
NNTR:Born again Means come from above. being born again” is ἄνωθεν, anothen, which means from above. |
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