i'm tired ...

We must think Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in the States are just there to play around..

Your last statement.... On point !!!!!!!

toughest007:


Are you actually disputing his data with hearsay and quoting daddy freezer?! His data and percentage are quite clear, nothing confusing there.

The ability to live freely when one becomes an overstayer or an illegal immigrant in a country is not a yardstick to measure or compare a country's migrant friendliness.

LondyC:


Please what’s the name of the website for the volunteer roles?

so sorry I still can't remember as I have unsubscribed from their mails, still searching my older emails but can't find them. Once I remember hope I do I will post immediately

profemebee:
please stay within the context.. someone mentioned english speaking western countries and another said UK isn't immigrant-friendly..

that's what i was replying to..

The perfect way to use data in this context is to compare the % of immigrants to the total population because some countries are larger in land mass and population than others..

Bringing "according to hear say" to this is funny.... we are talking national stats and numbers.. not hear say..

My emphasis was on many Nigerians are hooked on HCA jobs. This is what most dependants do and this has been received to be "low quality" by some people in govt. However, no one talks about how difficult it is to get into the formal sectors. Someone i know who finished last year in the U.S already has a job of 200k. His mates in the U.k are counting time in one care home. Before getting that job his first job was in Amazon which he got while still in school, the same thing happeend to the sister of a friend same U.S.
My classmate attended Oxford and already had his CFA, baba stayed for a while before getting a job. May be a year or also. If it was in the U.S that would have been different. I am not saying UK shouldnt put their citizens first but making a direct comparison with the U.s is some what different. We have been told here that it is easier to get UK visa than the U.S visa but that doesn't translate to being migrant friendly. I am not saying they are hostile though.

then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

They openly sourced for new jobs on twitter and linkedin because they know 60days clock was ticking

Every country has its' own unique policies and systems in place for immigrants.. The struggle is real .. lets keep our heads high and be hopeful

Poanan:


My emphasis was on many Nigerians are hooked on HCA jobs. This is what most dependants do and this has been received to be "low quality" by some people in govt. However, no one talks about how difficult it is to get into the formal sectors. Someone i know who finished last year in the U.S already has a job of 200k. His mates in the U.k are counting time in one care home. Before getting that job his first job was in Amazon which he got while still in school, the same thing happeend to the sister of a friend same U.S.
My classmate attended Oxford and already had his CFA, baba stayed for a while before getting a job. May be a year or also. If it was in the U.S that would have been different. I am not saying UK shouldnt put their citizens first but making a direct comparison with the U.s is some what different. We have being told here that it is easier to get UK visa than the U.S visa but that doesn't translate to been migrant friendly. I am not saying they are hostile though.

Poanan:


My emphasis was on many Nigerians are hooked on HCA jobs. This is what most dependants do and this has been received to be "low quality" by some people in govt. However, no one talks about how difficult it is to get into the formal sectors. Someone i know who finished last year in the U.S already has a job of 200k. His mates in the U.k are counting time in one care home . Before getting that job his first job was in Amazon which he got while still in school, the same thing happeend to the sister of a friend same U.S.
My classmate attended Oxford and already had his CFA, baba stayed for a while before getting a job. May be a year or also. If it was in the U.S that would have been different. I am not saying UK shouldnt put their citizens first but making a direct comparison with the U.s is some what different. We have been told here that it is easier to get UK visa than the U.S visa but that doesn't translate to being migrant friendly. I am not saying they are hostile though.

dem never tell you on this thread that nobody is forced to do care job? they will soon be here

profemebee:
then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

They openly sourced for new jobs on twitter and linkedin because they know 60days clock was ticking

Every country has its' own unique policies and systems in place for immigrants.. The struggle is real .. lets keep our heads high and be hopeful

the person you quoted gave valid points that you and some others here fail to see, the UK is more hostile to professionals and it's what it is. All those who lost their jobs in the companies you mentioned were a global thing as the companies also laid off here in the Uk or you think folks are not losing jobs here in the Uk too? But you know what the US created a pathway for those folks to remain and gave them a chance to stay longer than the so-called 60 days to find another job, something the UK will never do. Let's not be emotional, the Uk is more hostile than it's Western allies to immigrants.

emotional? i'm bringing data and someone is using hear say and Daddy freeze as reference.. but i'm the one being emotional?

lmaoooo

Goke7:


the person you quoted gave valid points that you and some others here fail to see, the UK is more hostile to professionals and it's what it is. All those who lost their jobs in the companies you mentioned were a global thing as the companies also laid off here in the Uk or you think folks are not losing jobs here in the Uk too? But you know what the US created a pathway for those folks to remain and gave them a chance to stay longer than the so-called 60 days to find another job, something the UK will never do. Let's not be emotional, the Uk is more hostile than it's Western allies to immigrants.

profemebee:
then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

They openly sourced for new jobs on twitter and linkedin because they know 60days clock was ticking

Every country has its' own unique policies and systems in place for immigrants.. The struggle is real .. lets keep our heads high and be hopeful

Not sure abt 60days Bro. Someone wrote something about it here. There was a way U.S went about it. Agreed that u.s has higher cost of living but 200k dollars no matter the cost of living that is good money o. But again we will make out something by the Grace of God.

That's the spirit bro... leave all the hear say and talk.. make we hustle achieve our personal/family/financial/community goals.. and strive irrespective of the government changes we can't control

It is friday.... lets enjoy the weekend

Poanan:


Not sure abt 60days Bro. Someone wrote something about it here. There was a way U.S went about it. Agreed that u.s has higher cost of living but 200k dollars no matter the cost of living that is good money o. But again we will make out something by the Grace of God.

profemebee:
emotional? i'm bringing data and someone is using hear say and Daddy freeze as reference.. but i'm the one being emotional?

lmaoooo

is it not the same data that the Uk govt is crying and sick about? so who is emotional

Goke7:


The UK needs to stop behaving as if it's still in the EU where it has access to a large pool of eligible workers, it doesn't exist anymore and it can't continue to pass the burden to companies to sponsor workers, especially in these tough financial climates. It's high time the UK takes a cue from other English-speaking Western nations where it segments different kinds of workforce it truly needs and issues visas that will not be tied to any company. The option of sponsored visas can still be left open but should not be the major option of a work visa. Some people have suggested that work visas can be tied to professional regulatory bodies instead for proper control and monitoring. If you need care workers, clearly state the mandatory qualifications needed and tie the visas to the body regulating them, all this racketeering will be greatly reduced, if you need doctors, nurses, and other critical roles do the same, else the UK will continue to be used by genuine professionals as a transition point to other countries who does this but if that's what the Uk truly wants then that's fine. But the idea of lumping every foreign worker into the same bucket will surely hurt the economy in the long run and scare away genuine persons who can add value to this ailing economy.

If the labour market is ailing, the last thing the government needs is to give foreign workers easier and freer access to it, which risks undercutting local workers (which was one of the issues with EU workers) and putting them out of work. The burden to support the unemployed British falls on the government so it is in their interest to ensure that there are adequate controls in place that give residents priority over foreign workers.
Labour said the same 20 years ago when the then PM,Gordon Brown, adopted the slogan British jobs for British workers.

The sectors that do heavily rely on foreign workers such as NHS clinical staff , care workers, teachers and others on the shortage occupation list are treated differently so they will still be able to hire as much as they need.

Goke7:


dem never tell you on this thread that nobody is forced to do care job? they will soon be here

See,Goke forget those people cos most times their comments are like " a rich man thinks others are poor because they are lazy"

profemebee:
That's the spirit bro... leave all the hear say and talk.. make we hustle achieve our personal/family/financial/community goals.. and strive irrespective of the government changes we can't control

It is friday.... lets enjoy the weekend

that's the issue with our unique community, it's all down to our personal lives, for as long you are not caught in that crossfire, others can get lost. God help us all

Goke7:


dem never tell you on this thread that nobody is forced to do care job? they will soon be here

I have arrived lol

Goke7:


Yes, you're missing something, Graduate roles are the most easily sponsored and cheapest for employers as they are exempted from the immigration skills charge due to the 'new entrant' rule. In this case, the organisation can still sponsor using the 70% reduction in salary which will come down to 27k still according to the 'new entrant rule' for those on student visas or post-study.

What this means is that Companies especially very large ones have been greatly profiting from this when the salary requirement was 26,200 and still paying less using the 'new entrant rule'. So even to pay 27k right now using the same rule will be deemed too expensive for some employers to sponsor foreign workers. it's what it is!

70% of the previous £26k threshold is about £18k . I doubt many graduate roles were offering that - probably more in the region of £25k which is closer to the new £27k discount. Therefore there might not be much of a difference in the hiring patterns for graduate roles despite the new rules as the cost base is likely to be similar.

Zahra29:


If the labour market is ailing, the last thing the government needs is to give foreign workers easier and freer access to it, which risks undercutting local workers (which was one of the issues with EU workers) and putting them out of work. The burden to support the unemployed British falls on the government so it is in their interest to ensure that there are adequate controls in place that give residents priority over foreign workers.
Labour said the same 20 years ago when the then PM,Gordon Brown, adopted the slogan British jobs for British workers.

The sectors that do heavily rely on foreign workers such as NHS clinical staff , care workers, teachers and others on the shortage occupation list are treated differently so they will still be able to hire as much as they need.

there was never easier access Zahra, the problem has always been people getting into the cross-fire of UK immigration even when they are in legally and just doing their work and taking care of their families, the Uk always use the excuse of those fraudulently gaining access and cheap labour to disrupt the lives of those already gaining a foothold in the system and abiding lawfully. The Uk seems to always fail to protect such people. So many Nurses work in care homes and how many of them will get a chance to work in the NHS, that's where the problem lies. It's okay to say they should get lost, no problem. And excuse me, talking about the unemployed British, are we saying there are no jobs at all for them with the purported job vacancies of over a million? It's not that companies are sponsoring so many foreign workers that much to undercut locals, I always find this so boggling.

Zahra29:


70% of the previous £26k threshold is about £18k . I doubt many graduate roles were offering that - probably more in the region of £25k which is closer to the new £27k discount. Therefore there might not be much of a difference in the hiring patterns for graduate roles despite the new rules as the cost base is likely to be similar.

that 2k extra per head will be a burden to many, and you know what the rhetoric around this immigration thing scares many employers away, not many realise this but it's the truth and also they try to encourage more locals.

Are you also aware that many big companies now are pushing back the start date for new hires? that's the state of the present economy

profemebee:


The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

If you lose your sponsored job in the UK, does the same not apply?

Goke7:


dem never tell you on this thread that[b] nobody is forced to do care job?[/b] they will soon be here

But nobody is forced na. They are only edged towards care jobs through policies

Poanan:


See,Goke forget those people cos most times their comments are like " a rich man thinks others are poor because they are lazy"

you see your earlier post touched me and it's what I have been saying on this thread, why will people study MSc in the UK and even end up as a security guard. Sometimes I wonder if people have human feelings here but it's what it is, for as long they are fine, they are more hardworking than others. Some say it's the course they studied but we have seen those who completed their studies genuinely in AI, cybersecurity and other so-called fine courses. Some say it's lack of experience but someone who has gone to study such a relevant course even theoretically already has something to start with. This is why I say for such kinds of people it's time to consider other countries and not rely on the UK alone. If you have a chance to go elsewhere why not at least reduce the net migration here which is what they want. The system is such that not many will have the chance no matter the motivational speaking out there.

@Londyc

Check these ones out;

reachvolunteering.org.uk
charityjobs.co.uk
ncvo.org.uk

Google will give you more.

Goke7:


so sorry I still can't remember as I have unsubscribed from their mails, still searching my older emails but can't find them. Once I remember hope I do I will post immediately

lightnlife:
@Londyc

Check these ones out;

reachvolunteering.org.uk
charityjobs.co.uk
ncvo.org.uk

Google will give you more.

Thank you very much, I remember that charityjobs well.

Lexusgs430:


It's almost your lucky day ........ What do you do ......

- Guard that ticket like you won the lotto...

- Send an appeal to the council, explaining your plight and their mess up. Include your details so they could respond back .......

What would they do ......

- They have pictures of your vehicle.....
- Another PCN cannot be reissued....
----- They would eventually have to cancel the PCN...... Your lucky day .......😁🤣

NB: The ticket inspector might be sent to vision 2020 or specsavers..........👀👀👀👀

Update: got a response from council. Just as oga Lexusgs430 said, the ticket has been cancelled. They said though the car was wrongly parked and there is photo evidence, but it's been cancelled because of the enforcement officer's mistake. £35 saved. I promise to go and sin no more.

Meogom:


Update: got a response from council. Just as oga Lexusgs430 said, the ticket has been cancelled. They said though the car was wrongly parked and there is photo evidence, but it's been cancelled because of the enforcement officer's mistake. £35 saved. I promise to go and sin no more.

congratulations, don't forget to sow some prophet seed to oga lexus, prophet sef go do weekend

Goke7:


you see your earlier post touched me and it's what I have been saying on this thread, why will people study MSc in the UK and even end up as a security guard. Sometimes I wonder if people have human feelings here but it's what it is, for as long they are fine, they are more hardworking than others. Some say it's the course they studied but we have seen those who completed their studies genuinely in AI, cybersecurity and other so-called fine courses. Some say it's lack of experience but someone who has gone to study such a relevant course even theoretically already has something to start with. This is why I say for such kinds of people it's time to consider other countries and not rely on the UK alone. If you have a chance to go elsewhere why not at least reduce the net migration here which is what they want. The system is such that not many will have the chance no matter the motivational speaking out there.

There’s a clear distinction between those who Japa to the US versus the UK. You would never see a financial analyst move to the US and settle as a care worker. They always go into their chosen field and they are a lot more ambitious. Nigerians get remote work from companies in the US, talk more of actually living there. And as for those who had zero experience in Nigeria, some just work part time as a healthcare assistant as a way to pay their way through nursing school. They have a go-getter mindset because all the people around them have that same mindset. You would never hear anyone who moved to the states say being a care worker is better than getting a PSW Lol.

Goke7:


you see your earlier post touched me and it's what I have been saying on this thread, why will people study MSc in the UK and even end up as a security guard. Sometimes I wonder if people have human feelings here but it's what it is, for as long they are fine, they are more hardworking than others. Some say it's the course they studied but we have seen those who completed their studies genuinely in AI, cybersecurity and other so-called fine courses. Some say it's lack of experience but someone who has gone to study such a relevant course even theoretically already has something to start with. This is why I say for such kinds of people it's time to consider other countries and not rely on the UK alone. If you have a chance to go elsewhere why not at least reduce the net migration here which is what they want. The system is such that not many will have the chance no matter the motivational speaking out there.

The UK system is largely rigged to keep many immigrants, particularly from developing countries working in fields they consider "undesirable" rather than competing with them. I reckon one of the reasons for the anti-immigrant sentiment is political but also immigrants moving into typically non-immigrant fields. Many recent immigrants did not come in as economic migrants per se, they were well-to-do and came to continue their career in the UK.

I have had a situation where HR seemed offended and hesitant to give me a matching pay raise that matched an offer I received elsewhere even when my boss insisted they match it so I stay. My boss had to sit through every negotiation meeting to ensure HR did not scuttle it. Never had any issue with HR and had very limited interaction, can only imagine she was offended my new pay was much higher than many of them particularly since I was an immigrant.

Resurgent2016:


The UK system is largely rigged to keep many immigrants, particularly from developing countries working in fields they consider "undesirable" rather than competing with them. I reckon one of the reasons for the anti-immigrant sentiment is political but also immigrants moving into typically non-immigrant fields. Many recent immigrants did not come in as economic migrants per se, they were well-to-do and came to continue their career in the UK.

I have had a situation where HR seemed offended and hesitant to give me a matching pay raise that matched an offer I received elsewhere even when my boss insisted they match it so I stay. My boss had to sit through every negotiation meeting to ensure HR did not scuttle it. Never had any issue with HR and had very limited interaction, can only imagine she was offended my new pay was much higher than many of them particularly since I was an immigrant .

you sef dey find trouble nah you wan collect pass omonile, I get your drift and If we start on that one, many here will misunderstand things so let's just avoid going there.

kwakudtraveller:

There’s a clear distinction between those who Japa to the US versus the UK. You would never see a financial analyst move to the US and settle as a care worker. They always go into their chosen field and they are a lot more ambitious. Nigerians get remote work from companies in the US, talk more of actually living there. And as for those who had zero experience in Nigeria, some just work part time as a healthcare assistant as a way to pay their way through nursing school. They have a go-getter mindset because all the people around them have that same mindset. You would never hear anyone who moved to the states say being a care worker is better than getting a PSW Lol.

We are just an island we can’t keep taking in people. Says an avid British citizen 😂

lol you must counter with something...

community goals here covers beyond our personal lives..

I'm Nigerian.. that's my only passport.. i paid all the visa and IHS revised fees.. i'm also affected.. so i don't understand what you mean by not caught in crossfire, others can get lost..

Goke7:


that's the issue with our unique community, it's all down to our personal lives, [b]for as long you are not caught in that crossfire, others can get lost. [/b]God help us all

Resurgent2016:


The UK system is largely rigged to keep many immigrants, particularly from developing countries working in fields they consider "undesirable" rather than competing with them. I reckon one of the reasons for the anti-immigrant sentiment is political but also immigrants moving into typically non-immigrant fields. Many recent immigrants did not come in as economic migrants per se, they were well-to-do and came to continue their career in the UK.

I have had a situation where HR seemed offended and hesitant to give me a matching pay raise that matched an offer I received elsewhere even when my boss insisted they match it so I stay. My boss had to sit through every negotiation meeting to ensure HR did not scuttle it. Never had any issue with HR and had very limited interaction, can only imagine she was offended my new pay was much higher than many of them particularly since I was an immigrant.

This is not entirely true, it’s just a mindset that we have. The UK is always hustling for Doctors and people in STEM. Besides, if you have a specialised skillset as a surgeon, physio therapist etc, they will rush you. Some of these "undesirable" roles are the easiest way to get into their system. I mean, why pay for a Master’s degree when I can get a job as a healthcare assistant?! So it just makes sense as a short term plan to get into the UK. As for your HR, be like say she be small winch.

exactly, you're making my point.. every country has it's own immigration policies to control the numbers that come in, etc..

Quit acting like the UK is this or that..

hustla:



If you lose your sponsored job in the UK, does the same not apply?

lavida001:



We are just an island we can’t keep taking in people. Says an avid British citizen 😂

Didn’t Nigerians ask Ghanaians to leave at some point? No one truly likes foreigners, go to Switzerland and see how those ones lift up their noses at their fellow white immigrants. This thing is everywhere and it’s not unique to the UK. After all, SA dey show Nigerians pepper.