So much ado about immigratio.. rightly so.. the mary-go-round continues...

The trilema has always been

1. Gold platted work and tripple locked pensions +benefits in a slow growing economy
2. High wages and low house prices to please the young
3. Very low immigration to please most

It's a tripod the modern UK economy has found impossible to balance... one would always give when they try to capture all. Just like Brexit, this time would not be an exception

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I prefer simple fan heaters like the above. Instant blast of heat, easy to turn off/on and move around.

Thanks very much!

Overthinker:
Encouraging someone out there to keep applying for these jobs because that's what this thread did for me. If I wasn't following this thread I would think once I secure a good warehouse job, I should keep it, but I kept applying, different jobs different role and now I have my offer letter for an entry role with a bank. It's not a big salary but promise of growth is enough for me to start from there. Warehouse is an honest job and a good one, but nothing stops us from aiming higher. All the arguments or the fights, all the differing opinions, believe me it goes a long way in helping the new immigrants. So let's keep aiming higher.

Nice, congratulations on the new role 🎉

Resurgent2016:


I think you are mixing a few things together.

Honestly, I cannot question if the Brits feel the level of immigration is too high. They have every right and it is not for us to rationalize what is an appropriate level.

The problem is no one has so far complained about the number of international students arriving in the UK or asked them to return to their country after their studies. The government has every opportunity to ask the universities to reduce the number of international students they take or cancel the post-study visa which is used as a job-search year if the government feels they should not come or should return after studies.

Many of the already skilled immigrants have now added expensive quality education in the UK and are now facing a challenge breaking into their preferred career (which the government can help solve) pushing many to health care and other fields where visa sponsorship is more likely but their skill is less relevant. I am pretty sure the government is aware but rather than help them break into the market has thrown an additional spanner into the works, many it less likely many will secure these jobs outside of healthcare and NHS.

These immigrants who have made a significant investment in a UK masters degree are unlikely to leave in large numbers simply because the UK made all skilled worker visa (except care and NHS) harder to get. The policy will just funnel them into care and NHS.

Yes, the biggest loser are the immigrants who came quite skilled and topped it with an expensive master's degree doing care.

The second loser is the UK itself which is now having a growing number of underutilised labour. The are other externalities to this situation that will affect things such as productivity, tax receipts, inflation, integration and equality in society .

I have seen many engineers in this country doing care. Yes, you can blame them for not being dogged enough but the reality is that it is harder to get sponsorship in many of these areas when you have less than 24 months to fight an uphill battle.

Many "Elon Musks" that arrived the UK are in the care sector wasting away.

You capture so much brilliantly I had to requote your post again. moreso highlighting reasons for the resultant difference in attainment among immigrants in different nations. It's always down to opportunities available.

Finally, also the end effect on integration and equality... it cuts across... housing, school, health e.t.c. Eventually, the immigrants of today would be Brits of tomorrow.. hmm... lets hope its not recreating the servile class of old Britain.

Please elders I need una help.
Am on student visa and my wife is my dependent..
I couldn't finish my course due to pending school fees I had on January, last month I wrote to my school to interrupt my studies which was approved by my course leader..
Now my visa is expiring January and am trying to get CoS for my wife to switch as main applicant then I switch as her dependent but someone is saying that it's not possible for me to switch again,
Please how true is that and also any other way I can use to switch my visa please.
Your advice and input is much appreciated

Overthinker:
Encouraging someone out there to keep applying for these jobs because that's what this thread did for me. If I wasn't following this thread I would think once I secure a good warehouse job, I should keep it, but I kept applying, different jobs different role and now I have my offer letter for an entry role with a bank. It's not a big salary but promise of growth is enough for me to start from there. Warehouse is an honest job and a good one, but nothing stops us from aiming higher. All the arguments or the fights, all the differing opinions, believe me it goes a long way in helping the new immigrants. So let's keep aiming higher.

Congrats bro

Do £100,000 giveaway

eniola1010:


Please i also read this in the news, is it true that this new policy doesn't affect people in nhs, asin so far you work in nhs your salary can 27k and you can be sponsored and bring dependent, is this true pls

Yes it definitely doesn't affect health and care workers in the NHS. No salary threshold and you can still bring in dependants.

Less clear on the non-clinical roles but the NHS guide doc recently published (see below) seems to indicate that all NHS roles are exempted.

https://www.nhsemployers.org/news/changes-uk-immigration-policy-faq

Overthinker:
Encouraging someone out there to keep applying for these jobs because that's what this thread did for me. If I wasn't following this thread I would think once I secure a good warehouse job, I should keep it, but I kept applying, different jobs different role and now I have my offer letter for an entry role with a bank. It's not a big salary but promise of growth is enough for me to start from there. Warehouse is an honest job and a good one, but nothing stops us from aiming higher. All the arguments or the fights, all the differing opinions, believe me it goes a long way in helping the new immigrants. So let's keep aiming higher.

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Saysozzz:
Please elders I need una help.
Am on student visa and my wife is my dependent..
I couldn't finish my course due to pending school fees I had on January, last month I wrote to my school to interrupt my studies which was approved by my course leader..
Now my visa is expiring January and am trying to get CoS for my wife to switch as main applicant then I switch as her dependent but someone is saying that it's not possible for me to switch again,
Please how true is that and also any other way I can use to switch my visa please.
Your advice and input is much appreciated

If you haven't completed your studies, with proof from your university that you can share with the home office, it's very unlikely you'll be allowed to switch your visa status in line with recently implemented rules.

Can you apply for a visa extension since your school has approved your course extension?

Zahra29:


It's a double standard for sure. The reality is the Ukrainians largely share the same race, religion, culture and continent as Britain, so they assimilate easier and people feel more comfortable with them.

Thank you! That's my point exactly. And like a friend of mine would put it it's more factual to say we're open to receiving war fleeing refugees who look like us. There's no point sugar coating it. It's unconscious bias, it's in everyone.

Gerrard59:


Humans are tribal. That one is sure. Should there be war in Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore to an extent, will gladly accept Taiwanese as refugees. But none of those countries accepted refugees from Myanmar. Many applied to Japan, and she refused except for one prominent human rights activist.

Na why young people suppose understand the world for what it is, rather than what they should/expect it to be.

Exactly! It is what it is.

Goodenoch:


Thank you. Especially for the last part. Some people love the feeling of victim mentality so much they reduce everything into one ‘ism’ or the other automatically.

I was going to ask the OP if Nigeria got involved in supporting Ukraine the way it did for the West African countries in crisis following coups/wars.

If you followed the conversation from the beginning maybe you'd understand my point better. Somebody asked why are UK citizens not complaining about Ukrainian refugees despite their large number, and the person I quoted said it's because they're fleeing war. So my point is it's more than that and OP herself actually agreed.

It isn't just the UK revising immigration policies

The Prime Minister of one of the largest core Anglosphere countries, Australia has said migration policies will be reviewed in the interest of Australians etc.

This was just last night..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/09/anthony-albanese-announces-plan-to-reduce-immigration-levels-following-covid-influx

https://www.news.com.au/national/pm-albanese-warns-of-student-crackdown-ahead-of-migration-overhaul/news-story/876b3f8e57b78eb1071b71cd4533babd

Like i stated, Countries will do what they seem best in the interest of their citizens and that's fair/fine.... either you cry and cry about it Or you adapt and plan around it

profemebee:
It isn't just the UK revising immigration policies

The Prime Minister of one of the largest core Anglosphere countries, Australia has said migration policies will be reviewed in the interest of Australians etc.

Also mention that they increased their post study visa to 5 years, allowed students to work unlimited hours and their application fee for PSW is considerably lower than that of the UK while at it

eniola1010:
Please i heard that this new rules does not affect people working in nhs, that they revised the rule for people working in nhs

They said if u work in nhs that you can still be sponsored on a 26k salary and you can bring dependent pls how true is this

Are the ppl working HCA or doctors and nurses?

are they revising their immigration policies? Yes or No?

Yet again, you need to understand you're comparing countries (US and Australia) that are the top5 largest in land mass to the UK.. the jobs and opportunities will never ever be the same..

US accounts for 6% of the world's land mass

Australia accounts for 5% of the world's land mass

UK accounts for less than 0.5% of the world's land mass yet is just 1% behind US in % of immigrants to total population

Like someone said, this isn't a moral issue.. it is a matter of economic numbers

hustla:



Also mention that they increased their post study visa to 5 years, allowed students to work unlimited hours and their application fee for PSW is considerably lower than that of the UK while at it

iyatrustee:


What is your question? You want to drive using the expired license since you are not up to 12mths in the UK?

profemebee:
are they revising their immigration policies? Yes or No?

Mention everything naw

Didnt they revise the PSW to 5 years recently too or its agenda you want to agend

claremont:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6GzGbk9o3I


Apparently, he is a GP who washes cars as a side hustle.

Side hustle Kwa. Side hustle ni. Person dey reason plant car wash for every NHS hospital in the UK you dey call am side hustle?!


See the way she captioned the video it like it's one horrible thing. I hope the dude isn't going against the work hours tho if he hasn't attained settlement

mention what?

i brought links for everyone to read as i saw it... you're the one trying to start an agenda

I'm bringing news from last night and you're bringing up news of last year as a response .....

hustla:


Mention everything naw

Didnt they revise the PSW to 5 years recently too or its agenda you want to agend

This thread is for Nigerians who have migrated and now live in the UK. Even though people yet in the country can still get valuable information from here, I think we should deeply discuss how those who are already in the country can stabilize, get ILR or move to other countries. It would be an unheard of situation for Nigerians already in the UK to now be deported. Lol. But seriously, it's an issue to be looked at.

profemebee:
mention what?

i brought links for everyone to read as i saw it... you're the one trying to start an agenda

I'm bringing news from last night and you're bringing up news of last year as a response .....

OK

ehizario2012:
This thread is for Nigerians who have migrated and now live in the UK. Even though people yet in the country can still get valuable information from here, I think we should deeply discuss how those who are already in the country can stabilize, get ILR or move to other countries. It would be an unheard of situation for Nigerians already in the UK to now be deported. Lol. But seriously, it's an issue to be looked at.

Why are Nigerians the only ones you are concerned about being at risk of deportation??


Every migrant should bear his cross in peace.

profemebee:
It isn't just the UK revising immigration policies

The Prime Minister of one of the largest core Anglosphere countries, Australia has said migration policies will be reviewed in the interest of Australians etc.

This was just last night..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/09/anthony-albanese-announces-plan-to-reduce-immigration-levels-following-covid-influx

https://www.news.com.au/national/pm-albanese-warns-of-student-crackdown-ahead-of-migration-overhaul/news-story/876b3f8e57b78eb1071b71cd4533babd

Like i stated, Countries will do what they seem best in the interest of their citizens and that's fair/fine.... either you cry and cry about it Or you adapt and plan around it

I quite agree with you that every responsible govt would prioritise its citizens interest over others.

That said, at bolded - this idea of 'keep shot or fvck off' that I've seen expressed here over and over isnt the best. There are several points I disagree with both for and against the new policy but it's not in my place to ask people to stop complaining and adapt.

If everyone holds that view, all asylum seekers would have been shipped off to Rwanda without anyone challenging the policy in court; several migrants would have been deported at POE for minute reasons without any immigration lawyer fighting for them.

I work in this industry and I have first hand experience of how this policy has rattled up so many people especially British citizens with foreign spouses. So it'll be unfair to ask people not to "rant" about it if they feel aggrieved. We react to issues differently and if your own way is to adapt and move on, someone else's might be to 'cry' about it, and each is within their right. And if you think the complaints here is too much, just pay a visit to Reddit.🙂

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hustla:



Also mention that they increased their post study visa to 5 years, allowed students to work unlimited hours and their application fee for PSW is considerably lower than that of the UK while at it

table shaker

in life... there are situations we can't control.. scenarios we can't control..

That's life...

LionInZion:


I quite agree with you that every responsible govt would prioritise its citizens interest over others.

That said, at bolded - this idea of 'keep shot or fvck off' that I've seen expressed here over and over isnt the best. There are several points I disagree with both for and against the new policy but it's not in my place to ask people to stop complaining and adapt.

If everyone holds that view, all asylum seekers would have been shipped off to Rwanda without anyone challenging the policy in court; several migrants would have been deported at POE for minute reasons without any immigration lawyer fighting for them.

I work in this industry and I have first hand experience of how this policy has rattled up so many people especially British citizens with foreign spouses. So it'll be unfair to ask people not to "rant" about it if they feel aggrieved. We react to issues differently and if your own way is to adapt and move on, someone else's might be to 'cry' about it, and each is within their right. And if you think the complaints here is too much, just pay a visit to Reddit.🙂

Poanan:

table shaker

Abi, let us see the true story

there is no table shaking bro

He brought news of PSW being extended last year as a response to last night's news from the PM of Australia stating they want to revise immigration laws.....

The PM yesterday said they're going to reduce immigration nos and there will be a student crackdown in migration overhaul

Isn't it clear that they're going to change policies they currently have?

So how's bringing up 2022 news a response to last night's news?

Hopefully they don't cut down the PSW

Poanan:

table shaker

ehizario2012:
This thread is for Nigerians who have migrated and now live in the UK. Even though people yet in the country can still get valuable information from here, I think we should deeply discuss how those who are already in the country can stabilize, get ILR or move to other countries. It would be an unheard of situation for Nigerians already in the UK to now be deported. Lol. But seriously, it's an issue to be looked at.

LOL I think its pretty simple at this point.

You can go the PSW and try to find a sponsored job in your field for one year. If it doesn't work, you can go the Healthcare route

... Or just go the Healthcare route and save £2900 for PSW

I just think the new rules will just make companies choose local folks.

If a job is offering 35K, instead of increasing the salary to 39K and sponsoring you, why not give it to a citizen instead?

Also, PR to Canada /Australia, though not exactly easy to get but you can apply and remain in the pipeline. The EB visas for the US are also if you're patient and have the qualifications requured

hustla:



You don't need a MacBook for AWS courses, a windows pc will do just fine

You can get on ebay or Backmarket if you want the MacBook

Thanks

AgentXxx:
Cex or Sellmylaptop is my go to but I have a MacBook Air 2019 16GB RAM 512SSD For sale in London at 400£ if you are interested. Less than a year.:Reason For Sale is I got a MBA 2022.

Will consider it and get back to you