Goke7:


That estimate of 75% of dependents not working we all know is debatable along the lines of if they have little children they are caring for and the ability to work for how many hours. Secondly they don’t even have recourse to public funds so how are they a burden if the other applicant is taking care of the bills.

The tax payer is not paying for all the bills of the children and family. it's not about public funds -it's other costs such as education, free school meals, health care, council services, nursery 15 hours, sometimes 30 hours in cases of financial hardship,other special services like if the council arranges a taxi to transport the children to their school , interpreter services for parents who don't understand English and so on. The average migrant family is larger than the average British family, many have 3 or 4 kids or more, so it's easy to see how the cost to the state can quickly mount up.

Zahra29:


The tax payer is not paying for all the bills of the children and family. it's not about public funds -it's other costs such as education, free school meals, health care, council services, nursery 15 hours, sometimes 30 hours in cases of financial hardship,other special services like if the council arranges a taxi to transport the children to their school , interpreter services for parents who don't understand English and so on. The average migrant family is larger than the average British family, many have 3 or 4 kids or more, so it's easy to see how the cost to the state can quickly mount up.

There have been arguments on this thread before on how many migrants truly access these services and it’s a matter of some subsidising for others which is always the norm anywhere. Interpreter services, free sch meals, transport haba,

triplo3:
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How can you claim no one is doing anyone a favour when the immigration numbers demonstrates people are coming in droves? If it was a 50/50 business deal like you say, shouldn’t direction be in both ways or fairly stable. I don’t just mean from Naija (India, China, Pakistan etc. are on the list). The truth is people will move from areas of economic hardship to areas with more opportunities…just like Osmosis. When you come and you start paying tax in the new system, were you not paying tax in the previous location? What did you get in return? If it’s not a fair deal, people would stop coming and enjoy their extra “money”.

That said, I think immigration should be sustainable, otherwise we overload the system and we get the same “unworkable” system some of us were running away from. When last have you visited a GP or house-hunted? There’s no doubt in my mind this “tiny-Island” is under a lot of pressure and it needs to be released somehow. I don’t like the uncertainty of the immigration laws (they should be fairly stable so people can plan and not be stranded), but how many countries are viable alternatives? Maybe Canada, Australia, USA…be things May even be changing in these countries as well. In terms of voting or making a change, not sure the immigrant vote/lobby is significant enough to move the needle.

Las las, everyone go Dey alright.

How I wish we could get our acts right as a country, doesn’t even have to be el dorado, just back to 2015 economic outlook and the influx from Nigerians won’t be as bad. God punish APC for forcing middle class Nigerians to flee their country!

I agree with you and they should start by removing the post-study visa. That alone will curtail student population by half.

Goke7:


There have been arguments on this thread before on how many migrants truly access these services and it’s a matter of some subsidising for others which is always the norm anywhere. Interpreter services, free sch meals, transport haba,

I think people grossly underestimate how much migrants use the NHS. Apart from giving birth, many come into the UK with poorly managed or un/misdiagnosed conditions, also chronic conditions such as sickle cell, and I have come across many young people who have accessed health services far more in the year or 2 they have been here than the average young brit.

Interpreter services are common in some communities. It is estimated that around 1 million people in the UK do not speak English.

Free school meals are universal up to year 3, regardless of income or residence status.

Transport - I have even read posts here where there was no more space in the schools close to the family home by the time the parents applied, so the children were placed in a school further away and the council paid for a taxi drop off and pick up service for the children due to the distance.

Raalsalghul:


I agree with you and they should start by removing the post-study visa. That alone will curtail student population by half.

..and some universities will go broke or the govt will be forced to help-in financially

Zahra29:


I think people grossly underestimate how much migrants use the NHS. Apart from giving birth, many come into the UK with poorly managed or un/misdiagnosed conditions, also chronic conditions such as sickle cell, and I have come across many young people who have accessed health services far more in the year or 2 they have been here than the average young brit.

Interpreter services are common in some communities. It is estimated that around 1 million people in the UK do not speak English.

Free school meals are universal up to year 3, regardless of income or residence status.

Transport - I have even read posts here where there was no more space in the schools close to the family home by the time the parents applied, so the children were placed in a school further away and the council paid for a taxi drop off and pick up service for the children due to the distance.

Any idea the number of immigrants who pay for ihs, NI and tax but hardly use the NHS?

How much does British people on universal credit all their lives contribute to the system?

The system seems to be in so much pressure when it comes to immigrants but Ukrainers came in the system accommodated them, the govt even pay families to take them in.

Average British citizen are so ignorant of their immigration rules and policies that is why politicians take advantage of that.

justwise:


Any idea the number of immigrants who pay for ihs, NI and tax but hardly use the NHS?

How much does British people on universal credit all their lives contribute to the system?

The system seems to be in so much pressure when it comes to immigrants but Ukrainers came in the system accommodated them, the govt even pay families to them in.

Average British citizen are so ignorant of their immigration rules and policies that is why politicians take advantage of that.

Any idea of the number of British people who've paid taxes and NI for over 20 years and have hardly/never used the NHS and don't have children or their children go to independent schools?

The number of working Brits far outnumbers those on benefits.

Many Ukrainians had to find employment as soon as they arrived in the UK, many had to find alternative accomodation after a few months. And local Brits did complain, for example that the Ukrainians were jumping ahead of them on council housing lists

hustla:



What kind of oil pls

I don't know but that is what they call it. The oil doesn't dry nor spill

abuhusna1:

I don't know but that is what they call it. The oil doesn't dry nor spill

Sounds like it can save some energy bills

Raalsalghul:


I agree with you and they should start by removing the post-study visa. That alone will curtail student population by half.

They should try it fess

My country people, I greet everyone
Please with all these landlord gbas gbos....
Who will be responsible to fix a slacking door with a the door handle that got spoilt? Also I broke one side of the electric burner glass in the kitchen.

This month completed it 1 year of my 14 month term contract with the landlord infact he just asked if I still wish to continue living in the apartment with a £50 increase in rent.

Tor! I gladly accepted, where I wan start to dey look for house and pass through that kind stress again.

Please should I talk to him about the aforementioned repairs or go ahead fix it myself?

Zahra29:


Any idea of the number of British people who've paid taxes and NI for over 20 years and have hardly/never used the NHS and don't have children or their children go to independent schools?

The number of working Brits far outnumbers those on benefits.

Many Ukrainians had to find employment as soon as they arrived in the UK, many had to find alternative accomodation after a few months. And local Brits did complain, for example that the Ukrainians were jumping ahead of them on council housing lists

How many British are paying for ihs, NI and tax? The answer is ZERO. So can we slow down this talk of immigrants are using this and that without contributing to the system.?

justwise:


How many British are paying for ihs, NI and tax? The answer is ZERO. So can we slow down this talk of immigrants are using this and that without contributing to the system.

Zero Brits pay NI and tax?

Zahra29:


Zero Brits pay NI and tax?

ihs, NI and tax

justwise:


ihs, NI and tax

Obv no need to pay iHS as it's a surcharge for immigrants, the same way they don't pay visa fees to the UK gov lol

But I'm confused why you think Brits don't pay NI and tax when majority start working at least part time at 16

justwise:


ihs, NI and tax

ihs? they said when we give birth ihs money is exhausted don't count it among o

triplo3:
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Las las, everyone go Dey alright.

How I wish we could get our acts right as a country, doesn’t even have to be el dorado, [b]just back to 2015 economic outlook and the influx from Nigerians won’t be as bad. God punish APC for forcing middle class Nigerians to flee their country!

Pre-2010 and till 2014, there was a massive return of Nigerians in the diaspora and they once dominated the discourse on Nairaland. There were tales and websites meant for them. Then, few Nigerians bothered to remain after their studies. Rather, they went abroad to study and returned for higher salaries and high-profile roles/jobs. Then, Access Bank and other companies organised aptitude tests in London for Nigerian students in British universities and successful applicants got interviewed and resumed in Nigeria after their graduation.

In 2015, the same people said GEJ was a bad choice and voted him out to install an incompetent feudalist. Now, the same people are selling their properties as married people to go back to the same UK.

God does not have to punish APC, but those who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015. My signature exists for a reason.

giselle237:
u do not need it for the UK. Your standard driving licence is fine and it’s 15k for 5 years.
Also since it is a renewal/reissue you can apply for it online. Inorder to avoid going to capture, select no to the biometrics question when filling the form. I guess it’s how to get it to you here in the UK I can not help with

How long can it be used for in the UK?

Zahra29:


Obv no need to pay iHS as it's a surcharge for immigrants, the same way they don't pay visa fees to the UK gov lol

But I'm confused why you think Brits don't pay NI and tax when majority start working at least part time at 16

Zahra29 my question is how many British pay ALL three? Non, only immigrants pay that even when they don't use the NHS.

Not all immigrants come here with kids or even married but they still pay for what they don't use or hardly use.

Those that came here with kids pay and their kids pay, those that gave birth here pay for their kids during their visa extension
.

Immigrants are not here to use without contributing even more than British citizens.

Goke7:


ihs? they said when we give birth ihs money is exhausted don't count it among o

How about single ones who are not married? Does British citizens pay to give birth? No, so the NHS spent all their resources on immigrants who came here purely to have babies and use the British system.

mayowa94:
How long can it be used for in the UK?

One year after you arrive.

justwise:


How about single ones who are not married? Does British citizens pay to give birth? No, so the NHS spent all their resources on immigrants who came here purely to babies and use the British system.

Jokes apart I think some folks here don't just understand that everybody is subsidizing each other so those who hardly use the NHS are subsidizing those using it frequently, it's simple logic but this idea that as immigrants we are contributing less than the value we get is simply crap.

hustla:



Sounds like it can save some energy bills

Very cheap to use bro. Other ones now oil almost put me to debt at one time I was charged 500 pounds for 1 month energy consumption not including gas. I had to throw it away and bought this one

Goke7:


Jokes apart I think some folks here don't just understand that everybody is subsidizing each other so those who hardly use the NHS are subsidizing those using it frequently, it's simple logic but this idea that as immigrants we are contributing less than the value we get is simply crap.

Exactly!! This is how the British system work, this is why some people who are unable to work are subsidised by those who can work including those immigrants.

justwise:


Zahra29 my question is how many British pay ALL three? Non, only immigrants pay that even when they don't use the NHS.

Not all immigrants come here with kids or even married but they still pay for what they don't use or hardly use.

Those that came here with kids pay and their kids pay, those that gave birth here pay for their kids during their visa extension
.

Immigrants are not here to use without contributing even more than British citizens.

We've had these debates before so I'll try to keep it brief.

The IHS does not cover any of the other costs to the state such as education. I've listed some of them in a previous post.

In any case it is established that health and care workers comprise the biggest group of UK skilled workers, therefore there is a large % of immigrants that don't pay IHS, along with their families.

The government is not stupid and if their stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers) and they recognise that majority of these dependants do not work or pay tax while consuming public services, that is part of the reason it has introduced restrictions to curb numbers.

And yes there are Brits as well who don't pay tax, but they are in the minority and the fact is they are citizens and by definition are entitled to certain benefits and leeways in their own country.

hustla:



Sounds like it can save some energy bills

It was the opposite for me. It guzzled electricity but I only felt the heat if I sat on it
It was a top end brand as well with great reviews, so not sure why my experience was different. I returned it and reverted to my tried and trusted fan heater.

justwise:
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..and some universities will go broke or the govt will be forced to help-in financially

But but but I thought immigrants were useless and take more than they give?

Zahra29:


It was the opposite for me. It guzzled electricity but I only felt the heat if I sat on it
It was a top end brand as well with great reviews, so not sure why my experience was different. I returned it and reverted to my tried and trusted fan heater.

Oh boy. The fan heater smells sometimes like hot iron... And it can cause fire if left on for too long

Zahra29:


We've had these debates before so I'll try to keep it brief.

The IHS does not cover any of the other costs to the state such as education. I've listed some of them in a previous post.

In any case it is established that health and care workers comprise the biggest group of UK skilled workers, therefore there is a large % of immigrants that don't pay IHS, along with their families.

The government is not stupid and if their stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers) and they recognise that majority of these dependants do not work or pay tax while consuming public services, that is part of the reason it has introduced restrictions to curb numbers.


And yes there are Brits as well who don't pay tax, but they are in the minority and the fact is they are citizens and by definition are entitled to certain benefits and leeways in their own country.

we are paying and subsidising them, are we not trying Aunty Zahra, no make us vex o council tax sef still dey, if na play stop am o lol

Zahra29:


We've had these debates before so I'll try to keep it brief.

The IHS does not cover any of the other costs to the state such as education. I've listed some of them in a previous post.

In any case it is established that health and care workers comprise the biggest group of UK skilled workers, therefore there is a large % of immigrants that don't pay IHS.

The government is not stupid and if their stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers) and they recognise that majority of these dependants do not work or pay tax while consuming public services, that is part of the reason it has introduced restrictions to curb numbers.

And yes there are Brits as well who don't pay tax, but they are in the minority and the fact is they are citizens and by definition are entitled to certain benefits and leeways in their own country.

Obviously they are and manipulative, we are talking about legal immigrants who were issued visas by the same govt who is now complaining about immigration figures, if this is not stupidity then there must be another definition of stupidity.

Can i also stress once again that these immigrants pay into the system even more than some British citizens do.

Zahra29:


We've had these debates before so I'll try to keep it brief.

The IHS does not cover any of the other costs to the state such as education. I've listed some of them in a previous post.

In any case it is established that health and care workers comprise the biggest group of UK skilled workers, therefore there is a large % of immigrants that don't pay IHS, along with their families.

The government is not stupid and if their stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers) and they recognise that majority of these dependants do not work or pay tax while consuming public services, that is part of the reason it has introduced restrictions to curb numbers.

And yes there are Brits as well who don't pay tax, but they are in the minority and the fact is they are citizens and by definition are entitled to certain benefits and leeways in their own country.

How so please?

MAs

For the year ending June 2023, there were 498,626 sponsored study visas granted to main applicants.

There were 321,101 work visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2023

Total = 819,727

Dependants

In the year ending June 2023, almost one-quarter (24%) of all sponsored study related visas granted were to dependants of students[b] (154,063)[/b]

In the year ending June 2023 there were 217,786 grants to dependants of people who had been granted a work visa.

Total = 371,489

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#dependants-of-sponsored-study-visa-holders

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work#dependants-of-work-visa-holders

I've been hearing this narrative of more dependants than MA, and I keep wondering where it's coming from. Among the recent entrants to the UK that I know there are more singles than married. Am I missing something please?

LionInZion:


How so please?

MAs

For the year ending June 2023, there were 498,626 sponsored study visas granted to main applicants.

There were 321,101 work visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2023

Total = 819,727

Dependants

In the year ending June 2023, almost one-quarter (24%) of all sponsored study related visas granted were to dependants of students[b] (154,063)[/b]

In the year ending June 2023 there were 217,786 grants to dependants of people who had been granted a work visa.

Total = 371,489

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#dependants-of-sponsored-study-visa-holders

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work#dependants-of-work-visa-holders

I've been hearing this narrative of more dependants than MA, and I keep wondering where it's coming from. Among the recent entrants to the UK that I know there are more singles than married. Am I missing something please?

Oh yes, you're missing something; it's called propaganda