hustla:



LOL I think its pretty simple at this point.

You can go the PSW and try to find a sponsored job in your field for one year. If it doesn't work, you can go the Healthcare route

... Or just go the Healthcare route and save £2900 for PSW

I just think the new rules will just make companies choose local folks.

If a job is offering 35K, instead of increasing the salary to 39K and sponsoring you, why not give it to a citizen instead?

Also, PR to Canada /Australia, though not exactly easy to get but you can apply and remain in the pipeline. The EB visas for the US are also if you're patient and have the qualifications requured

Lefty500:



Go on eBay, search for your laptop of choice and spec, under filter, choose open never used you should see good deals there.

I didn't have a good experience with refurb laptop, so I don't recommend it, even with excellent refurb, one key wasn't working, I bought it for my wife, she didn't see a reason to report to me since there's an alternate key that serve the same purpose (shift key).

But with open never used, I got a laptop worth £750 at £449, ASUS TUF Gaming F15, Core i5 11th gen, 512GB SSD, 8gb RAM , 4gb Nvidia Geforce RTX 2050, 2023 model. I just recently added 16GB RAM.

Just be careful, because refurb can also be listed as "open never used", check the rating of the seller, and reviews, check item description, and try and see the reason why the person is selling, also if it has any defect.

triplo3:
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How can you claim no one is doing anyone a favour when the immigration numbers demonstrates people are coming in droves? If it was a 50/50 business deal like you say, shouldn’t direction be in both ways or fairly stable. I don’t just mean from Naija (India, China, Pakistan etc. are on the list). The truth is people will move from areas of economic hardship to areas with more opportunities…just like Osmosis. When you come and you start paying tax in the new system, were you not paying tax in the previous location? What did you get in return? If it’s not a fair deal, people would stop coming and enjoy their extra “money”.

That said, I think immigration should be sustainable, otherwise we overload the system and we get the same “unworkable” system some of us were running away from. When last have you visited a GP or house-hunted? There’s no doubt in my mind this “tiny-Island” is under a lot of pressure and it needs to be released somehow. I don’t like the uncertainty of the immigration laws (they should be fairly stable so people can plan and not be stranded), but how many countries are viable alternatives? Maybe Canada, Australia, USA…be things May even be changing in these countries as well. In terms of voting or making a change, not sure the immigrant vote/lobby is significant enough to move the needle.

Las las, everyone go Dey alright.

How I wish we could get our acts right as a country, doesn’t even have to be el dorado, just back to 2015 economic outlook and the influx from Nigerians won’t be as bad. God punish APC for forcing middle class Nigerians to flee their country!

Westves:
Hello, guys. Friend of mine recently relocated to the UK with his family. From the gory stories he's been feeding me, abroad ain't all that is propped up to be. Freezing temperatures, monthly rent of £600, comparative cost of living, tuition, catering singlehandedly for the family cuz his nursing wife doubles as a student, on top of that, has to raise the sponsorship fee

He hasn't been making much progress with finding caregiver jobs and his options are limited. Can't do construction under this weather. So my question is, what form of trade or occupation can he pivot into before it's too late? My guy is bleeding cash so we are kinda desperate here

I'm sure a lot of guys got easier landing so I'm looking forward to any helpful resource you guys can bless us with. He is a naija graduate, if that matters. Many thanks

hustla:


Not saying UK is all bad but they need to be a bit flexible and try to have a set in stone migration policy, not this uncertainty.

It is their country though and they can do as they like until we fix ours

Btw, welcome back

jedisco:


The reason I get triggered when people make frivolous statements moreso about the NHS is cos its a sector I know

If you know any GP, ask them to tell you the number of fit notes they issue daily and the kind of things they are issued for. You would begin to see this country differently.

Over 100,000 additional people go off work on longterm sick leave every month many of them would be on benefits and a good chunk would work cash in cash-in-hand hence cheating the system both ways. How many visa paying immigrants are on that list?
Where is the outrage about the ten of thousands of new benefit claimants monthly? What contribution do these make to the nation in comparison to immigrants?

Datakey:


I heard you are the oga of Iptv, abeg how do I watch matches

jedisco:


How many immigrants do you think form part of that 10%?

Zahra29:


I think people grossly underestimate how much migrants use the NHS. Apart from giving birth, many come into the UK with poorly managed or un/misdiagnosed conditions, also chronic conditions such as sickle cell, and I have come across many young people who have accessed health services far more in the year or 2 they have been here than the average young brit.

Interpreter services are common in some communities. It is estimated that around 1 million people in the UK do not speak English.

Free school meals are universal up to year 3, regardless of income or residence status.

Transport - I have even read posts here where there was no more space in the schools close to the family home by the time the parents applied, so the children were placed in a school further away and the council paid for a taxi drop off and pick up service for the children due to the distance.

jedisco:


The reason I get triggered when people make frivolous statements moreso about the NHS is cos its a sector I know

If you know any GP, ask them to tell you the number of fit notes they issue daily and the kind of things they are issued for. You would begin to see this country differently.

Over 100,000 additional people go off work on longterm sick leave every month many of them would be on benefits and a good chunk would work cash in cash-in-hand hence cheating the system both ways. How many visa paying immigrants are on that list?
Where is the outrage about the ten of thousands of new benefit claimants monthly? What contribution do these make to the nation in comparison to immigrants?

Gerrard59:


Pre-2010 and till 2014, there was a massive return of Nigerians in the diaspora and they once dominated the discourse on Nairaland. There were tales and websites meant for them. Then, few Nigerians bothered to remain after their studies. Rather, they went abroad to study and returned for higher salaries and high-profile roles/jobs. Then, Access Bank and other companies organised aptitude tests in London for Nigerian students in British universities and successful applicants got interviewed and resumed in Nigeria after their graduation.

In 2015, the same people said GEJ was a bad choice and voted him out to install an incompetent feudalist. Now, the same people are selling their properties as married people to go back to the same UK.

God does not have to punish APC, but those who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015. My signature exists for a reason.

ehizario2012:


I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

jedisco:


Entitlement.... hehe.. I laugh when people mention entitlement on this page.
The average immigrant many times doesn't even know his/her protected rights talk more of being entitled.

The fact is that an average immigrant needs to work in certain sectors or spend average of 5 yrs in this country to begin to understand what British entitlements means.

ReesheesuKnack:



The chancellor’s statement a few weeks ago mentioned how these loopholes will be closed.

No, doctors are not issuing frivolous sick notes. It is the ‘patients’ that are presenting with frivolous symptoms to get sick notes.

And it’s very easy to present with frivolous symptoms, especially if I want to keep out of work, knowing that I will not lose too much because benefits are there to resort to.

ehizario2012:


Seconded ooo. IPTV needed too

ehizario2012:


I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

iyatrustee:




Honestly, Goke needs to address issues from a logical point of view and not out of emotions.

He makes some good points, but has a way of twisting people's words in a sinister way.

Every side to this discussion have raised valid points. But while others present theirs objectively, he is subjective in his opinion.

kwakudtraveller:

Lol na why I give up to dey answer am. I said "an argument" was lazy as he was narrowing the argument to us being oppressed but he interpreted it as me saying that all his arguments are lazy and he must agree with me. It just showed me that he was attaching emotions to a simple critical banter from opposing ends so I just gave up. It’s like saying just because we are immigrants then we must all agree on the same views especially when our country is no better.

ehizario2012:


I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

heroshark:


Being a Naija Graduate or UK Graduate is irrelevant. Alot of Graduates are unskilled and quasi-literate/psuedo-literate.

People are different and have areas they can thrive in and it's important your friend identify areas he can thrive with some efforts.

I have met someone who did apprenticeship in Instrumentation and Control (I&C) he earns an astronomical amount, and currently works as an independent making roughly £20k per week for off-shore and £5-7k per week onshore. He doesn't have any higher education qualification and says that there is a huge shortage of talents in their field making them high demand.
His client includes both chemical plant, oil & gas sector and really any big production firm that requires instrumentation.

His apprenticeship to him 3years to complete and he is just 27years old

Goodenoch:


How you feel about your home country has everything to with the UK - in particular, how people view immigration and respond to it.

If in your own country there are impossibly high barriers for immigrants to come in and work or access public services, all while still paying taxes and various fees and you have never advocated for that to change, but you go to another person's country and you are casting their policies that are much more liberal despite being made more restrictive recently as inhumane, then it's hypocrisy.

Would you and your people back home tolerate the same numbers that you are saying are insignificant here? Not just from other countries o - even inter state and inter-region, do we not see even more stringent restrictions on 'foreigners' trying to get certain jobs/public offices? If you know all these but act shocked that Brits are being the same, then, again, it's hypocrisy.

You say they aren't doing us immigrants a favour, and I agree. But it's also on this thread that many (including you if I recall correctly) essentially said immigrants are doing the UK a favour and that the economy would collapse, and that 'what does the average brit even contribute?' So now that they are saying they don't want to do business again, why the lamentations?

ehizario2012:


I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

Zahra29:


The uncertainty is definitely not nice, however they have to be responsive, agile, same as
leading organisations.
If they have laws in place for years which allows them to plan based on the noted trends, and then these trends change dramatically, surely it would be reasonable for them (and any company) to adjust based on the new patterns.

If these patterns change or revert back, then they will likely adjust their policies again to suit.
Unfortunately migrants do get caught out in the process but it's not vindictive (apart maybe from T May - she was on a next level lol) - it's largely time and chance.

jedisco:


You make some points but I find the bolded interesting. Are immigrants really the cause of NHS woes? I remember we were told same thing about the EU

Let me give a brief history of the NHS- its a sector that has always relied on immigrants. From the windrush arrivals of the 1950s who took on menial jobs. Then Asian and Nigerian medics of 1960- 1980s many of whom became GPs that virtually saved primary care from collapse. Some of the offspring of this group are quite popular e.g Kemi and Sunak. The 90s saw the influx of Eastern Europeans who took up roles in nursing, care, medicine e.t.c. Early 2000 were the Philipino nurses and recently its back to Nigerian and Asian medics again.

Let me ask...

1. What do you think would happen to the NHS wait times if all immigrants left the UK?

2. What happened in the care sector when Eastern Europeans stopped coming?

3. When was the last time you were in a GP waiting room? (no insult intended). Even in places which are quite diverse, look in any GP waiting room and observe the demography of people sat. The fastest growing age bracket in the UK is still the over 80s... In Healthcare, its a well established fact that in a system like ours, 10 % of users would use about 90% of resources. How many immigrants do you think form part of that 10%?

Zahra29:


The government is not stupid and if their stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers) and they recognise that majority of these dependants do not work or pay tax while consuming public services, that is part of the reason it has introduced restrictions to curb numbers.

LionInZion:


How so please?

MAs

For the year ending June 2023, there were 498,626 sponsored study visas granted to main applicants.

There were 321,101 work visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2023

Total = 819,727

Dependants

In the year ending June 2023, almost one-quarter (24%) of all sponsored study related visas granted were to dependants of students[b] (154,063)[/b]

In the year ending June 2023 there were 217,786 grants to dependants of people who had been granted a work visa.

Total = 371,489

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#dependants-of-sponsored-study-visa-holders

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work#dependants-of-work-visa-holders

I've been hearing this narrative of more dependants than MA, and I keep wondering where it's coming from. Among the recent entrants to the UK that I know there are more singles than married. Am I missing something please?

LionInZion:


Yea, in specifics, dependants of care workers outnumber the MAs. But your earlier post which I quoted said, "stats show that dependants outnumber main applicants (both students and care workers)"

You'd agree with me that's untrue.

And about Nigerian dependant numbers, that's also another point entirely which wasn't part of the post I quoted.

toughest007:


I am struggling to agree with the highlighted. Can you provide a link to the actual numbers?

Quoting the numbers and reference would always help eliminate the unnecessary back and forth when making a point.

triplo3:




Awww so cute. How altruistic of these migrants from different countries coming to save the NHS out of the goodness of their hearts! No pay or compensation or security for their children’s future in a working system which has led to the rise of Kemi Badenoch and co. I used GPs as an example, but the impact in my view is not limited to Healthcare alone (although there’s no denying 1.5m net migration in two years would affect services). Also Housing is impacted (see what’s also happening in Canada). Schooling and other general services. What’s the plan for everyone? Or is the goal just to “save” the NHS with the migrant workers and pay no heed to the unintended consequences.

I know first hand the difference between public services 2009/10/11/12 and what we are going through now. I never heard anyone waiting 2yrs plus for elective surgery etc.

ehizario2012:


I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

triplo3:




Awww so cute. How altruistic of these migrants from different countries coming to save the NHS out of the goodness of their hearts! No pay or compensation or security for their children’s future in a working system which has led to the rise of Kemi Badenoch and co. I used GPs as an example, but the impact in my view is not limited to Healthcare alone (although there’s no denying 1.5m net migration in two years would affect services). Also Housing is impacted (see what’s also happening in Canada). Schooling and other general services. What’s the plan for everyone? Or is the goal just to “save” the NHS with the migrant workers and pay no heed to the unintended consequences.

I know first hand the difference between public services 2009/10/11/12 and what we are going through now. I never heard anyone waiting 2yrs plus for elective surgery etc.