NNTR:

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1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it.- John 1 vs 1 - 5

14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.
15 John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”
16 Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.
17 That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father. - John 1 vs 14 - 18

Kobojunkie:

According to John 1, the Word of God was with God from the beginning... and had Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in Him. This, the same Word of God that became a man and lived among men

Kobojunkie:


The question remains exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized?

Kobojunkie:

God was with God from the beginning... and had Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in Him.

1. The Good News about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God,[a] begins
2 with what the prophet Isaiah said would happen. He wrote: “Listen! I will send my messenger ahead of you. He will prepare the way for you.”
3 “There is someone shouting in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.’” - Mark 1 vs 1 - 3

11 “I baptize you with water to show that you have changed your hearts and lives. But there is someone coming later who is able to do more than I can. I am not good enough to be the slave who takes off his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
12 He will come ready to clean the grain. He will separate the good grain from the straw, and he will put the good part into his barn. Then he will burn the useless part with a fire that cannot be stopped.”
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan River. He came to John, wanting John to baptize him.
14 But John tried to stop him. John said, “Why do you come to me to be baptized? I should be baptized by you!”
15 Jesus answered, “Let it be this way for now. We should do whatever God says is right.” Then John agreed.
16 So Jesus was baptized. As soon as he came up out of the water, the sky opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on him like a dove.
17 A voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” - Matthew 3 vs 11 - 17

Kobojunkie:
And so, if the Word(The Way aka God's Law) already embodied Grace(Eternal Life) and Truth even before the baptism event— basically, He already had the Spirit of God's Law, Spirit of Truth, and Spirit of Eternal Life in Him — then it follows that the identity of the spirit or at least the purpose must be linked to the Baptism that John carried out.

Kobojunkie:

In the above passage, we see that John's job was to prepare the way...
...and the conversation between Jesus Christ and John before the baptism happened leads one to believe that the duty that John had was essential to the plan. So it makes reasonable follows that the Spirit which came down on Jesus Christ was linked with that necessary for preparing the way.

Maynman:

Born again Means come from above.
being born again” is ἄνωθεν, anothen, which means from above.

Maynman:
"It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water"

baptized literally means DIPPED.
Why don't you look up the Greek word too

NNTR:
Luke 2:39-52
39And when they had done everything [in connection with Jesus’ birth] according to the Law of the Lord, they went back to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth.
40And the Child continued to grow and become strong [in spirit], filled with wisdom; and the grace (favor, spiritual blessing) of God was upon Him.
41Now His parents went to Jerusalem every year for the Passover Feast.
42And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the Feast;
43and as they were returning [to Nazareth], after spending the required number of days [at the Feast], the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem. Now His parents did not know this,
44but supposed Him to be in the caravan, and traveled a day’s journey; and [then] they began searching [anxiously] for Him among their relatives and acquaintances.
45When they did not find Him, they went back to Jerusalem looking for Him [everywhere].
46Three days later they found Him in the [court of the] temple, sitting among the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47All who heard Him were amazed by His intelligence and His understanding and His answers.
48When they saw Him, they were overwhelmed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You treated us like this? Listen, Your father and I have been [greatly distressed and] anxiously looking for You.”
49And He answered, “Why did you have to look for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?”
50But they did not understand what He had said to them.
51He went down to Nazareth with them, and was continually submissive and obedient to them; and His mother treasured all these things in her heart.
52And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and men.

Luke 2:39-52 above is about Yahshua aka Jesus at age 12, dazzling and extremely impressing everyone with how much He knew. His intelligence, His understanding and His answers didnt go unnoticed

NNTR:
John 3:5
Jesus answered,
“I assure you and most solemnly say to you,
unless one is born of water and the Spirit
he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.

When a baby is ready to be born, the amniotic sac, which surrounds the baby and contains amniotic fluid, breaks and the fluid comes out through the vjay. This is whats referred to as waters breaking, and ultimately leading to the baby be born of water.

Now essentially, its takes a human born of water to see, appreciate and acknowledge the power of the Kingdom, while it takes to be born of water and be born again (i.e. a fundamental change brought on from born by the Spirit) to enter into the kingdom. It basically is a paradigm shift

Reproduce where I used 'baptized in water'. Jesus didnt use baptise and neither did I

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:


Reproduce where I used 'baptized in water'. Jesus didnt use baptise and neither did I

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Maynman:
So when did Jesus go to Egypt in Luke?

Maynman:
It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water"

baptized literally means DIPPED.
Why don't you look up the Greek word too

NNTR:
https://www.nairaland.com/6835123/water-baptism-useless-practice-says#107341647

Check above link to see it was Kobojunkie who used it, with me doing a setting straight rebuttal,

NNTR:
Stay focussed on John 3:1-21 alone and stop behaving like a prat or repetitive bot.

There isnt a single word nor any words about 'baptized in water', 'need to die to their old life', 'forgives sins', or even 'wash away sins' in the entirety of John 3:1-21

Ask yourself these questions.
Why did Nicodemus turn up in the dead of night to have a private audience with Jesus?
What was Nicodemus' opening remark?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kobojunkie:
You should have probably asked me to clarify rather than make assumptions of the sort you made.

Water Baptism is a ritual to commemorate — as stated by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 — that one has abandoned the Old Fountain of Living Water(YHWH aka the Old Law of Moses) and embraces instead the new Fountain of Living WATER that is Jesus Christ

NNTR:
Was at length on that thread, and didnt see you come back after my last post on the thread (i.e. which is what you see reproduced above)

NNTR:
You're all over the place

Each of the gospels are tailored for different captive audiences and coming from different perspectives and/or angles. Whatever is not captured from one angle, not covered or seen from one perspective, will be captured, covered and seen from another by one or more of the other gospels from different angles or perspectives

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Re: "Water Baptism Is A Useless Practice" Says Pastor Abel Damina by NNTR: 3:22am On Nov 05, 2021
https://www.nairaland.com/6835123/water-baptism-useless-practice-says#107341647

Maynman:
You are the one all over the place, MARK is the basis of Luke and Matthew, that's why it's called synoptic gospel.

Maynman:
So explain how is Jesus captured in book of Matthew when he went to stay in Egypt because of Herod and balance it with the book of luke where that isn't mention.
When was Herod time? When was the census conducted?
Is Jesus parents from Nazareth or Bethelem?

Maynman:
Is like you didn't know that Matthew and Luke are 2 different stories about Jesus birth.

Maynman:
There's a reason the only story about Jesus childhood was when he was AGE 12.

Maynman:
He has 12 discples, the house of Israel is 12, Jews have 12 hours, we have 12 star signs.

NNTR:
Synoptic, simply means summary, now, as earlier advanced, Matthew was directed to the Jew aka Hebrew audience, Mark was written for the Romans audience in mind, Luke was designed to address the Greeks, while John's narrative, however, was targeted at an international world wide or cosmopolitan audience

What point are you trying to make with all this darting up and down the place

NNTR:


On the surface, it seemingly looks like two different stories, but really isnt case of two different stories

Yes, there is

Jesus was not limited to 12 disciples, as He actually had hundreds of disciples

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
If being honest with you, you're ranting and raving over nothing.
I am running late going out, so I'll have to revert in a few hours time when back to put straight and lay justice.
For now, know that Herod isnt a name, its a title, and akin to saying, president, (i.e. which president) go figure the rest

Maynman:
you are the one that's empty on this topic

Maynman:
... ordinarily synoptic you don't know.

Maynman:
When you are done deluding yourself

Maynman:
you'll tell me who the KING of Judea was.

Maynman:
HEROD is the The name of the family of political rulers over the Jews.

NNTR:
Empty on what topic?

1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Reading each of the first four books in the New Testament in isolation of each other, deprives one of getting a 3-D holistic grasp of the gospel truth, as it tantamount to viewing from one perspective

Having the best time of my life. Delusion isnt on my list nor radar

You have to be specific.
Be specific about saying, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was

Do you now concede that you're all over the place and changing subjects a lot without reason. I've lost count how many times you've flip-flopped on subject matters.

What really is the bane of your life? Whats this your anxiety all about?

NNTR:

Essentially you're confirming what I'd already advanced, that the word Herod, is a title name, just as we have President, Prime Minister, King, Governor, Taoiseach, First Minister et cetera

Maynman:
I said, synoptic gospels

Maynman:
and it's like religion is not allowing you to free your mind?

Maynman:
MARK is the first Gospel to be written, the unknown authors of Matthew and Luke used MARK to write their story, they literally COPIED IT.

Maynman:
any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash

Maynman:
How many Herod was king of Judea?

Maynman:
Wtf,

Maynman:
prime minister is not a family name, first minster is not a family name. King is not a family name.

Herod is a name of a family, who else was not in Herod family that bear the name as a title?
Is your surname a title?

NNTR:
Beloved, calm down, calm down. Calm down
Wtf, where's the faith, when a distressed brother needs one

They are titles, arent they though. I rest my case

Hmm. Kk now, why not take Caesar for size then.
I know you're smart and clever enough to know what I've done just there

What sort of bee sef, is it, you have there inside your bonnet?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Kk, if you cant be bothered to answer the two questions reproduced above from my last post, then kindly state exactly and describe clearly what the meaning of synoptic gospels means then

You havent a Scooby Doo idea what religion that is without flaws and such that God finds no fault in.

Yes, unbeknownst to you, you have a religion, and your religion, is allowing you to use your precious and valuable free time to be used up for getting up to mischief, posting ungodly posts et cetera

So? And then? Why not, go file a lawsuit and sue them for plagiarism. Hmm?

Why dont I come across as surprised that a considerable proportions of Jews of some sort, read Matthew, and conclude that it's hogwash

Considering the fact, there exists Messianic Jews, who read Matthews and dont know nor see it as hogwash, you surely, now must admit that you're over stretching the truth that 'any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash'

Beloved this is the Herod dynasty under discussion here, isnt it?
So what's the point you want to make with, asking me a 'How many Herod was king of Judea?' unexpected question. Hmm?

I reiterate my earlier humble request, that, you be specific. Be specific about stating, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was then

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}