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Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkie: 3:44am On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:Isaiah announced what would happened but let's take a look at what followed after the foreigners did try to cleave to the house of Jacob during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah in Nehemiah 10 and Ezra 9 around 480BC - 430 BC when the Jews began returning fully to the Nation of Judea. If you read through both chapters, you will find that not only were the Israelites commanded to separate themselves (divorce) from their foreign husband and wives, they were also to do so in obedience to God's Law which never changed at all. The Law forbade the Israelites from marrying foreigners and also forbade foreigners from entering the Lord's presence and gathering. Yes, the Israelites had children with foreigners who as a result of their birth were made part of the blood of Jacob. The Law of Moses, which never changed made no provisions for foreign partners to become a part of the family of Jacob nor for even their offspring to enter into God's Temple as a result of being born of obedience to God. So, see how your understanding of what is written conflicts with the Law and what really happened? |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkie: 4:28am On Dec 12, 2023 |
@Krismas, Isaiah announced what would happen but Isaiah never said that what would happen would be sanctioned by God. 1 After we finished all these things, the leaders of the Israelites came to me and said, “Ezra, the Israelites have not kept themselves separate from the other people living around us. And the priests and the Levites have not kept themselves separate. The Israelites are being influenced by evil things done by the Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, Egyptians, and Amorites.As a result of the above, the many Israelites who cleaved had to divorce themselves from both their foreign spouses and the children of such unions. 2 Then Shecaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, spoke to Ezra and said, “We have not been faithful to our God. We have married the people living around us. But, even though we have done this, there is still hope for Israel. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 10:03am On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:LOL Dey play! If the Law of Moses forbade Israel from marrying foreigners, then how come Moses himself married an Ethiopian? Numbers 12:1 NOW MIRIAM and Aaron talked against Moses [their brother] because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite woman. You don’t know anything! |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 10:13am On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Isaiah 14:1 wasn’t particularly talking about marriage, CLEAVE in the verse mean BECOME ONE AMONG JACOB. Then, the reason why Ezra instructed separation of mixed marriages is in the texts you quoted. But since you were too eager to point at the separation, you entirely missed the cause. And having missed the cause, u fabricated a fake cause for it to suit your narrative. So, read your own quotes one more Maybe you may spot this part in it Ezra, the Israelites have not kept themselves separate from the other people living around us. And the priests and the Levites have not kept themselves separate. The Israelites are being influenced by evil things done by the Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, Egyptians, and Amorites THEY WERE INFLUENCED INTO DOING EVIL BY THOSE UNIONS. That’s why the separation was ordered. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkie: 2:28pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:Did Moses enter the land of Canaan? Were Moses' sons counted among the Levites when God carried out the first census - Numbers chapter 1 - 4? What makes you think it is enough to quote random details out-of-context without in fact knowing the full story? In the same book of Numbers you quoted from, Moses's own family is completely excluded from the census of Levites in Israel- Moses was a Levite. He had sent his wife and kids away all so He could remain faithful to God. Your gods of men don't teach you these because they know it goes against the many Fables they tell you, particularly the ones about how God loves marriage, abi? |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkie: 3:12pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:1. But what you describe is contained nowhere in the Law of Moses. Foreigners could live in the land but there is no such thing as becoming one among Jacob unless through marriage and that is frowned upon by the Law. 2. The following is found in the very Law of Moses. The command is that they do not intermarry with the foreigners. 1. “The Lord your God will lead you into the land that you are entering to take for your own. He will force out many nations for you—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—seven nations greater and more powerful than you.Nowhere in all of that is it stated that they are only to avoid intermarrying with foreigners only if the foreigners turned them against God. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 3:46pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:You completely off the mark. Moses family excluded from Levite BECOS he married an Ethiopian? Is dat? Rubbish! Aaron was Moses younger brother and he was the chief priest. Moses was like the president of Israel or PM. How can one family have it all? Moses tried had to manage all of dat. Dats all. U can’t run away from the fact dat Moses married an Ethiopian and YHWH supported him by putting leprosy on the woman who challenged him for that. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkie: 4:04pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:What you just said makes no sense of any kind. By the way, Aaron is Moses's older brother. The census of the Levites has nothing to do with the office occupied by the members of the families counted in the census. It was a general census much like the one that was supposed to have been conducted in Nigeria only some months ago. Even the president's own family would have had to be counted as well. 2. I am afraid not much is said of the woman so there isn't much that can be inferred from the story given Moses may have married her before God gave the Israelites the law against foreign marriages. So, if you are under some sort of delusion that because Moses is written to have married a Cushite woman God's Law against the israelites in the Land of Canaan marrying foreigners is rendered null, and void, then you are on your own there. The Law of Moses is documented throughout the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, and those Laws were handed down to the people over time, and not all at once, to prepare them for the eventual entry into the Land of Canaan where the Law was meant to serve at the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel. So, it is again erroneous to assume that having half the story means you have God figured out. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 5:18pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Levite is not just a tribe but also the order of priesthood and altar attendants. Moses and Aaron have the same father and mother. Moses was the de-facto leader of Israel and his brother was the primary priest, which was hereditary. It seem too much. Moses endured 3Seperate rebellions from those who tot he was sitting over the nation. So he is not a Levite. He never needed the privilege. Then it is irrelevant whether or not Moses married b4 ur fake law. Afterall he was expected to divorce her once he came into the law like Ezra right? U don’t know nothing! |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 5:26pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:U don’t know wot law is! Every law carries a punishment once violated. If those were a law on marriage, why den did David violate them by marrying Maakah daughter of Talmal king of Geshur? And was still the man after YHWH’s heart? Why did Solomon marry wives from all the tribes around? Why do Israelytes freely marry from around them breaking the law without consequences? Ruth 1:4 And they took wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah and the name of the other Ruth. They dwelt there about ten years; Ruth is a Moabite and the grandparent of king David. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkiee: 8:25pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:I don't know what the Law is yet the passage you quoted in Isaiah 14 speaks of what was to happen to the people for their continued disobedience of the Law for a period of what seemed 70 jubilees, and what Ezra during the period after the end of the exile was try to correct the people so they go back to living according to the Law as opposed to how they were before? So because Ruth was a Moabite and supposedly grandfathered David, it then becomes OK to flaunt God's law to the people of Israel. Because Solomon married from all tribes in disobedience to God and God didn't immediately strike him down during his life, it becomes OK for all to break God's Law. WOW... indeed... your regard for the Law of God is amazing! |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkiee: 8:26pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:Interesting! So, I wrote the words in the book of Ezra and Nehemiah, and even the Law in the Book of The Law of Moses. |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Krismas(m): 8:35pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Kobojunkiee:U not getting it. A law carries a penalty. It’s an advice BECAUSE ur foreign spouse might teach you idolatry which is punishable by death. It is NEVER wrong by itself. Thanks very much, am done. Bye |
Re: Who Is A Christian According To The Bible? by Kobojunkiee: 8:36pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Krismas:WOW..... |
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