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Re: Why I Became An Atheist by jaephoenix(m): 8:47am On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:The bolded shows youre really a clown. A toucher confirming a 'touchee's touch? Lol 😆 |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by MrPresident1: 8:50am On Dec 23, 2023 |
A lying fool. You are no doctor, you are a lying fool |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by jaephoenix(m): 8:55am On Dec 23, 2023 |
Nextt:Obviously you don't read your Holy Babble. He clearly said he'll save his people. Isaiah 41 verse 10 10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. Isaiah 55:11 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it Psalms 145:18-19 King James Version (KJV) The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, To all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: He also will hear their cry, and will save them. There are many verses like those quoted above littered all over your Babble. Y'all quote it. Your pastors use it. When they fail, you now come out to spout what you just said. And you start dodging responsibilities for your god. Remember Yahweh said he saves. So what happens to his saving grace? |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by MrPresident1: 9:00am On Dec 23, 2023 |
A lying godless atheist dog fool |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Nextt: 9:52am On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: You claim to be scientifically inclined but this question proves otherwise. The presence of a product is evidence of a maker. What other evidence do you need? Can order arise from random occurrence? Throw ingredients into a pot and let egusi soup with its distinct flavour merge from the random mix. It is scientific ignorance to think every kind of reality is subject to obversable method of verification. Please, while you are at it, give me evidence, testable, observable evidence of the imagination or human mind. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Nextt: 10:00am On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: So, your definition of 'salvation' is keeping someone (anybody who calls himself a Christian) from dying and being buried? Let me understand your train of thought. Are you actually saying that salvation means God will keep destruction from the world and keep people or Christians from experiencing death or persecution? |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Nextt: 10:04am On Dec 23, 2023 |
MrPresident1: Calm down, boss. Spiritual veil of blindness can only be lifted by God. I engage with them in the hope that the mercies of God may find them as they found me. I am not better than them. I have only seen the Light which I hope they see, too. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 10:24am On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: The laws of causality and common reason lead us to know that there must be an ultimate source of all other existing things. 2. What is the source of that source? It is necessarily self-existent, and this is deduced in logic and philosophy. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by MrPresident1: 10:27am On Dec 23, 2023 |
@Nextt He is not guiltless, there is blood on his hand, there is blood in his mouth, blood is matted in his hair, he reeks of human blood He is a demon, a devil. A hopeless dog |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by jaephoenix(m): 11:53am On Dec 23, 2023 |
DeepSight:If you reason that everything must have a source then it goes without saying that that source must have a source. It shouldn't just pop outta thin air. So you aren't logical. You just committed a fallacy of special pleading |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by jaephoenix(m): 11:56am On Dec 23, 2023 |
Nextt:Well, that is what is written in your Babble? Or you don't read it? |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by jaephoenix(m): 11:59am On Dec 23, 2023 |
Nextt:Lol. So its your god that made sun to set? Just like the ancient days they believe lightning and thunder were from the gods. So what's your evidence for that? And why do you think it wasn't Thor/Flying Spaghetti Monster etc that is responsible for the sun setting |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 12:15pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Your fake pretence at pretending you do not understand the bold is already proof that you already knew you were caught and yoy could never answer the question hence your using the bold as a distraction in an attempt to cover your failure and loss! E no work! I have always told you, those tricks and gimmicks would not work on me. Loser! Hahahahahahaha No Road. Case Closed Loser! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 12:26pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: When Christians used to say :by faith" they could accomplish anything you atheists never accepted it. You always insisted in direct and physical confirmation. But here you are i now ask for direct physical confirmation of how a person touches me with his eyes and I felt it and now you are blowing grammar saying phantom shit. The bottomline is that you can't answer the question. Period. So you lost. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 12:59pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Nextt: My answer would essentially be the same, they all came about by natural processes with no sentient control in evidence. When you see a work of art, a paint or picture you do not ask who painted it but you subconsciously accept the fact that a painter is behind it. The painter may be anonymous, he may be dead or alive, he may be black or white. You don't care or seek evidence of a painter behind a paint because you know brush strokes cannot move on their own to create a logical picture. You just know someone is behind it though that someone may not be known to you. I know it is humans that do all these things because I know humans do it and not natural processes, that is how we distinguish between what we call natural vs what we call artificial. On one hand it can be demonstrated every day of the week and twice on Sunday that these are human creations while the other hand you cannot demonstrate in any meaningful way that a god has done anything. We know it is brushstrokes that are paintings because these are techniques developed by humans, you cannot tell me the techniques your god supposedly used to make anything. All you'll continue to do is make the claim, you are unable to evidence it. You can admit testimonial and documentary evidence in the court of law but when it comes to the bible you consider it hogwash. This double standard is glaring. As with the painter, who may leave a note through an agent to verify his ownership of the paint such written evidence is admissible or considered authentic enough to lay his claim to the paint. This is exactly what happened thousands of years ago before any exploration into space was made, He who formed the earth said it is a circle in His Word. A manufacturer has a manual of how a product or device operates. The bible is also God's manual of his creation. Galileo would have been saved the stress of proving that the earth is round if only he had simply made reference to the book of Isaiah. The Bible is a collection of stories some of which contain reflections of the cultural settings the stories are based in. Stories are not evidence or else every tale ever told is just as equally true as any other which is obviously not true. Your bible is not any more evidence for anything other the culture of its time than Cinderella or Grimm's tales. In order to show me that the Bible is true you need evidence outside of the stories. And one feature of stories is you can make them mean almost anything. The same book you claim says the world is a sphere is also the same book people say it is flat also quote so between you and them who is correct? Only external evidence can show who is correct. Simply saying something is true doesn't make it so. It is gross fallacy to think empirical evidence can match every kind of reality. For example, do you have any explanation for how the imagination can be objectively observed? You can't see mine neither I yours. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Science can tell there is imagination but cannot prove it. Maybe you can provide the empirical evidence of memory, consciousness, and morality. The only way to be certain of anything is to have material evidence in my opinion. We have memory tests, we have intelligence tests, we have MRI that can show the brain at work and how it corresponds with your thinking process but you want me to ignore all of this and accept your conjectures based off of the writings of more primitive people. No thank you sir. I will stick with science and the results it produces, your conjectures don't count for anything in comparison. On the nature of the existence of God, who created and exists outside time and space, asking evidence of His existence is simply shallow thinking. Scientific methods used to verify the existence of anything is severely limited to phenomena subject to time and space. It is like fitting the entire universe into your little laboratory. As impossible as it is there is more hope for that than to fit God, who created the universe and exists outside it, into observable, testable methods. It is like looking for the evidence of the presence of a matchbox company in the matchbox product itself. Lols. The only reason you can say outside time and space is because of science. The primitive writers you base your beliefs on thought heaven is in the sky which was why the tower of Babel was gonna intrude on the god's territory and he had to destabilize the plans of humans. Of course science can't prove an imaginary sky fairy that doesn't exist which is why you retreat your god to a place that cannot be investigated. Unfortunately for you, your insistence that a god is responsible for anything puts the onus on you to demonstrate it because you are insisting that this timeless, spaceless god is doing things in time and space. That means there must be evidence of the effect of this god's actions. Yet all the most prominent things the god supposedly did cannot be evidenced. It's not me who is being fallacious and shallow. Finally, an artist signs his name on his paint. That is his badge. You can read this last bit up and make your findings. DNA mapping has been discovered to include the name of God in every living thing. The numerological DNA sequence reads YHWH in the Hebrew language. It is encoded in the DNA of all living things. That is the artist signing His work. LMAO! DNA is a chemical, a protein, they simplify the language used to describe it has confused people like you into making these kinds of childish conjectures. Dude we used to use chemical formulas to spell our names back in secondary school, it would be stupid to claim that because I can spell a name with chemical notation it means that thing exists. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 1:06pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: Carl Benz and his Mercedes-Benz is right next door. But when we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them! There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM! Hahahahahahahahaha! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 1:39pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: So if I show you a product that only one company produces in the entire world yet is still labeled and badged, what will you say? |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 2:04pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Nextt: LoLz. Quick question, in how may days did your god create the earth and the things in it? And how many days was he resting? Was it 6 days or 6,000years and did he rest for a day or a thousand years? Who made the waters for the ships to sail? Can you or any scientist living create an ocean? Do you have the technology to create a star like the sun much less billions of stars in the galaxy? Who made the heaven for the planes to fly? Can you create the clouds to give rain and float in the sky? Every cloning attempt has suffered fatal failure following a very short spell of success. You think creating man and animals na beans? Why can't your scientists replicate the feat? I cannot begin to highlight the complexity behind the 'simple' creations you see that makes your so-called planes, ships and technological innovations look like primitive devices in comparison. The wisdom with which God created the comet, the galaxies, the planets, the seasons - which one can primitive science accomplish? The technology alone to make the earth from nothing is trillions of light years away from what science is able to achieve and can ever dream of achieving and you gloat on the use of ships and plane. Gosh. Lol. Like the Being who created the seas needs your wooden or metal ships to cross the seas? Lol. This error of logic is beyond me. Nobody made it, which is the point. Your god remains an unevidence proposition. Saying that because scientists cannot replicate something proves a god is just as childish as saying Superman is real because no one else can fly faster than a bullet. With the powers you attribute to your god why is it taking the advent of human technological progress to effectively spread his message? Why doesn't the god use his ocean creating powers to flood the earth with his message? It doesn't happen because your god is as real as Superman, existing only in the imagination and pages of a book. And there are yet many places still living in the darkness of ignorance. God is a just and righteous God. You meaning the stupidity of the idea that this god wants everybody to know something but instead of making everybody know by himself, he's just gonna fold his arms and wait for human beings, the same human beings he has already condemned as worthy of destruction, to do all the work so he can blame them for failing. LMFAO! It doesn't take rocket science to see just how bad of an idea some of these things are. Just low down stupid ideas. I will be gracious and say to y'all that I don't blame you, these ideas are for suspending disbelief so you can accept some of the more disheartening parts of the nature of our reality and operate as if there something more. I totally get that but the ideas are still stupid nonetheless. God does not count time the way you do. After the fall of Adam, He did not send Jesus immediately to die for the sins of mankind. It would take more than 5,000 years later for the Lord Jesus to appear from the time of Adam. When the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians God waited 400 years to send a deliverer to them. If the Lord Jesus had returned before now, how would the prophecy about the Antichrist and the completion of the third temple in Israel be fulfilled? We see that already happening in our time but the end will not be until this is done. God has laid a calendar of events that must be fulfilled before the end. That is the reason for the delay besides His mercy and grace of repentance. Lastly, before technology God spread His Word; without it His Word will still be spread by leaps and bounds. Nothing can hinder its progress. Nothing and you know it. Without technology your so called word of god would have evaporated like many of the pre written word civilizations before. Your religion is the beneficiary of a series of human actions and inventions, it doesn't make it more special, the same way you aren't more special than all the people who died last night. Being the beneficiary of good fortune or fortunate circumstances doesn't make it true a god exists or make those fortunate circumstances the work of a god. One only has to read a wide breath of human history to see that if a god existed and was orchestrating anything, the god must be insane. I on the other hand realise it is all the doing of humans, no gods required. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Nextt: 2:07pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Did Jesus heal every blind person, every deaf, every mute, every paralytic He came across? He healed only those who had faith to be healed. The miracles of God are not like magic you can learn by purchasing a Magic Made Easy Guide or Do It Yourself Book of Magic. Without faith, nothing happens even if a person prays for months. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Nextt: 2:58pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Simple, the accuracy of the Word of God cannot be swept aside with argument or denial. Look into the Quran, or Hindu religious texts you will see erroneous depictions of the earth as well as history that is shrouded in mystery. Not so with the Word of God. In Isaiah 40:22, it says God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth. This is more than 3000 years before the exploration of man into space. If the text had said otherwise you atheists would have found extreme pleasure in dragging believers with that very verse, but now you have found it accurate you have become mum. Does your god, the Spaghetti Monster, or Allah, Krishna, etc have any such accuracy to their name? Wait, it gets even better. The Greeks believe the earth is carried by Atlas on his shoulders. The Muslims believed the earth was flat according to their book, and there was no indication of what the earth looks like in outer space. Not so with the Bible. In Job 26:7, it says He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. The book of Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. It is more than 3000 years old. We are only able to know this through the satellite launched to space and the earlier space exploration. In the time of Job, there were no such mechanisms. How much more accurate can that get? Wait, there is more. In verse 5 it says: The earth, from which food comes, is transformed below as by fire We all know that tectonic shifts or plate motion is the reason for the formation of continents from one super continent called Pangea. This tectonic shifts arise from the heat in the earth's crust which also causes earthquakes. That way, the earth is being transformed. Now, Job was not a scientist. This text has been around for millenniums. This tells you that God exists. There was no way for mere men, without advanced science as we have today are accurately able to specify facts that agree with empirical evidence today. Lastly, Archeological discoveries have never contradicted the Word of God. Rather, they have proven the accuracy of the texts in the Bible. This points I have raised are incontrovertible proof that God made all that there is. |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 4:27pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: Fiirst they have to label it because they know that another man or company can produce it for if no body can, they will never label nor badge it. . But because they already know and that it is infact guaranteed that another person can produce it, they must badge and label it. But for God it s already proven that there is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM! Hahahahahahahahaha! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 4:44pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Bwahahahahaha! I just knew you'd shift the goal post to something else. LMFAO! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 5:01pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: Hahahahaha! E no work! you do not have any valid thing to say that is why you are now lying that I shifted post whereas I answered your question "what would I say?" And now that I have said what I would say and you find that you do not have any valid thing to say, is why you have resorted to your usual lyings Hahahahhahaha No Road, Satan's prophet. For for God has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no other one can produce them! And that He is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOT IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahaha Loser! THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! No Road Loser! Hehehehehe! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 5:13pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: LoLz. I only asked that question to expose your inconsistency and the fact that is not an argument you are making in good faith. If I present an example that fits all the criterion you are putting out you'll add another criterion and say ah ha this is the new way. This is not the first time you will do this and I doubt it will be the last. LMFAO! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 6:09pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: And I have countered that there is no inconsistency because i have shown that even they know and are afraid and must be afraid that another person can and will produce their product that is why THEY MUST label and badge their products. If they were sure that no one would ever be able to make it, then won't label it. But they already know that people can do so, so they MUST label and badge their products BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF OTHER CREATORS. But for God and I'm God's case He has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no other one can produce them! And that He is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahaha Loser! So, no road for THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! Hehehehehe! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 6:39pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: LMAO! People don't do branding because they are afraid of someone else doing the same product, they do so it is clear who is producing it. How will you know who made a product if the name of the manufacturer is not on it or unknown. Your analogy is as faulty as your reasoning. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 6:53pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: HaHahahaha! See sneaky serpent has changed the argument to branding when it was about labels and badging. Your distraction no work! Hahahaha Secondly, we already know that they are afraid but this is a departure from post. You don't have any valid thing to say. And God has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN PRODUCE THEM! FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahaha Loser! So, no road for THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! Hehehehehe! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 7:13pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Olodo! Labels and badges are collectively called branding. Bwahahahahaha! Now that we have shown that branding isn't done because of fear but because of identity it destroys the argument that your god needs not place a label because by extention it means your god wishes to be unknown. So which is it your god wants to be known or obscure? Oya come back with some more nonsense. LMFAO!
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Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 9:07pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: Mumu! The word "collectively" has exposed you are a mumu scammer because clearly branding is more than labels and badges. So your scam no work Loser! Hahahahahaha. And your talk sef na off point! Hahahahahaha. [b]And God has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN PRODUCE THEM! FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! grin Hahaha Loser! So, no road for THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH![ SO YOU DON LOSE, LOSER!/b] Hahahahahahahahahahahaa! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by LordReed(m): 9:29pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Bwahahahahahahahaha! You are done! LoLz! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Dtruthspeaker: 9:46pm On Dec 23, 2023 |
LordReed: Hahahahahahahahaha Loser no fit find any valid argument to make! And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM! FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser! So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
Re: Why I Became An Atheist by Image123(m): 3:42am On Dec 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: You probably live in a cocoon then. It's a small big world out there, come out of your comfort zone that you call "out". |
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