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Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:18pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Thorrn: All these perfect conditions are result of mindless chance? You be mumu ![]() |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:19pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Thorrn: Who cares about your opinion either? I asked A scientist created life or a living cell Does he represent an intelligent designer or blind, mindless, irrational process You said neither Bwahahahahaha And you claim to have sense Shame |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:29pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. For a 'biologist', u sure have zero idea of evolution. All creatures came from an aquatic life(u can call it a fish, that's your business), then this water dwelling creature gave rise to the Great Ape, then finally humans 2. For someone that claim to come from dust, you sure make a lot of noise. At least I came from a living being(fish), yours was dust(inanimate object). Greet your dust ancestors 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 4:30pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Careful. Don't let confusion extinguish your 3 remaining brain cells ![]() You are just fooling around And you are just "fooling" in every direction conceivable. You are living in delusion I live in a world of reality. You live in a world governed by holy ghosts and boogie monsters and imaginary friends and enemies. Now tell me, Dundeejah, who's really living in delusion ![]() Whether you describe as Allah, Amadioha, Buddha... Is that an evidence that the was no creator? Lol. Are you now accepting that Allah, Amadioha, Buddha etc exist? Talk about desperation ![]() And I'm not answering your stupid questions until you put on your big boy pants and answer my own questions which you've been shamelessly dodging. Has the theory of Evolution regarding the origin of life and complexity been tested with scientific approach Yes. I've linked you to the relevant resources in a separate post. Proved science tells us that nin life cannot produce life and parents only produce like offsprings tho variation occurs but nothing entirely different is produced... Mating two different kind of organisms won't produce viable offsprings cos the gametes are incompatible... Jaephoenix the fake doctor should atleast know this but both of you lie to yourself just like a transgender person will use science to say that not only women can get pregnant If you have a problem with evolution, take it up with biologists and stop crying to me. My atheism has nothing to do with evolution. If evolution were finally disproved today and eventually got discarded by the scientific community, I'll still be an atheist.
Keep crying. I'll still be here to put more pepper under your smelling nyansh ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 4:34pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Mindless chance wasn't even alluded to explicitly in that post, but I'm not surprised that you have no credible defense to the rebuttals. We're used to your low capacity for intelligent contributions by now ![]() Anyways, I didn't write all that for you. I wrote it for normal people who still have brains. You're just my scapegoat in this thread. I don't even register you as a conscious co-discussant at this point. 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 4:40pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: I didn't know we were playing a game of "I know who you are but what am I" ![]() ![]()
Intelligent people saw the caveat I gave for my answer, you didn't. Conclusion: you're clearly not intelligent. Quod Erat Demonstradum. Bwahahahahaha I can literally smell the shame and self-disappointment in this fake laugh ![]() ![]() And you claim to have sense I don't claim to have it. I do have it. I would ask if you did, but... I'm sure we already know the answer ![]() ![]() Shame... ...should be your middle name. 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 4:42pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Stop the cap ![]() Aemmyjah..., sorry. Dundeejah is a biologist??! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 4:58pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
@Aemmyjah When you don run finish, come back and answer these questions. Stop being a coward and put your money where your mouth is. I've added one more question which you recently dodged as well. Thorrn: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by kkins25(m): 5:01pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:That's 0 points for you, and 3 more points in addition to the scores of 3 points Thorn has against you.. Okay, answer this simple question? Were Adam and Eve created on the same day? If so, does that mean Gen 2. is shaky? If not, does that mean Gen 1. is shaky? Please, stop giving out free points. Defend your goal post like Pique and not Harry Maguire. 4 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:03pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:What is that purpose? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:04pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:That has been proven too. I mean the fact that life started from the waters 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:18pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Again, what is your purpose? What about people that can't read or write? How are they gonna know their purpose? 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:19pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Did you read the other points I made? Spider-man videos are acted. These videos aren't. Are you usually this idioticc in real life |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:22pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
kkins25:Notice in the Holy Babble, Yahweh made animals from….. thin air, not even dust ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 5:25pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
kkins25:What? Thetruthspeaker think? No! Not possible. His brain is decorating his head 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 5:31pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by kkins25(m): 5:51pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Let there be Monkeys... Kabooom! And there was Monkeys. Let there be Ants..... Kaboomm... and the lord God saw that it was good. He got tired of naming them though. So he instructed Adam to name the rest...hahaha. 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by kkins25(m): 5:53pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: He doesn't think... He only speaks D truth, irrespective of how a D it makes him look. 3 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:23pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: What has reading and writing got to do with ones purpose? |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:24pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Ok |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:29pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
kkins25: I'm sure you were a poor student at school... You think you are intelligent by scoring yourself 3 points like league football? If you like, crown yourself and world champions Whether on the same day or different days is not an excuse that humans did not descend from a parent stock - male and female Not some foolish idea that humans came from some groups of Apes in east Africa... That is what makes sense to your kind... Rocket science can never make sense to a bushman no matter how you explain... Same thing explaining Bible with someone who's head is giddy |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:32pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Thorrn: Answer this simple question A scientist created life in a lab or a living cell Who does he represent? An intelligent designer or mindless process That question is not too hard Surprisingly, you did not even say the latter as I expected you which tends to favor evolution, you said neither Bwahahahahahaha |
Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:33pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
jaephoenix: As long as you have just admitted that your point on videos and photos is dead then your other points don't exist. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:44pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: ================================ Where are your answers to these questions? Thorrn: |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:47pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Nothing new to see here. I've just refuted this garbage. You keep repeating yourself like a broken bot. Here retard. Read it and weep. Again ![]() You're quoting science as if it's your Holy Bible. Science isn't authoritative, such that it makes strict declarations without any form of dissent or disapproval. Science is a process for understanding a world -- a framework, if you will. You observe X, and Y happens…so find out why. Unlike politics or theology, science doesn't claim to know the answer, science helps you FIND the answer. That's why for a discovery to be validated, it must be reviewed by many different people of equal standing to the person who discovered a new phenomenon to form a valid consensus in the community. It's called PEER REVIEW. 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:52pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
@Aemmyjah Fancy you calling someone else a fraud when you're too busy plagiarizing JW articles from the internet. Unfortunately I couldn't screenshot your post before it got taken down. Lol. I'm sure that is why you got your stupid ass banned. This is the problem with y'all Christards. You find it difficult to be authentic because you are used to living a life full of lies and delusions. Next time include your source when you copy and paste, you incompetent retard_. I won't quote the post in question so that I won't get banned too. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009645 cc: Jaephoenix, kkins25 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:54pm On Dec 28, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Pray tell, how could Wallace have possibly "fault(ed)" evolution when he was literally a pioneer of the theory, alongside Charles Darwin? Christ, you really are thicker than 2 short planks. and said something that life gives proof of a mind So apparently Wallace believed in spiritualism IE the existence of a spiritual realm beyond the physical world. Okay, good. Although I think it's funny how you're trying to use Wallace's personal ideologies to support your spurious claim to a higher creator deity. Three things here, 1, you commit the appeal to authority fallacy by hinging the validity of your claims on a passing remark made by Wallace. Why exactly should I care that Wallace believed in a higher mind? I could easily cite a number of even more credible scientists who confidently dismiss any notions of a supreme metaphysical being, and use their ideologies to justify my argument. You have no point here. 2, you are going down a very slippery slope by conflating science with religious beliefs. Science, as a process, is totally independent of the personal convictions, ideologies and bias of the individuals who engage in its practice. Wallace may have believed in a higher mind, but his belief is NOT justified by the theory of evolution. Many of Wallace's scientific propositions, including warning colouration and natural selection are widely accepted across the scientific community, since they have withstood subsequent scientific scrutiny and have become established scientific theories. However, many scientists refused to lend credence to his supernatural beliefs since they were untestable and therefore unscientific. 3, and this is the important bit: Wallace may have been a spiritualist, but he didn't believe in the Christian God and even rejected Christianity as a religion. He also rejected intelligent design. A seasoned scholar on the subject, Charles Smith, addressed this misconception of Wallace HERE. When asked if Wallace believed in Intelligent Design, he said, "No, no, and no--assuming that i.d. leans on the operation of first causes as Creationism does, that is. Don't fall for the facile understanding being promoted by some agenda-driven observers who argue that, just because Wallace was a spiritualist and believed that "higher intelligences" were influencing events here on earth, that he also believed in miraculous, non-law-based kinds of Godly intervention." So basically, you're just running a fool's errand with this nonsensical argument. Tell me I'm lying against Wallace I don't think you're lying here actually. I think you're just too stupid to understand how nuanced Wallace's perspectives towards reality were. Evolutionist tend to forget that Pasteur has killed and buried the idea of abiogenesis (the subtle mother of macroevolution) LMFAO @ "subtle mother of macroevolution" ![]() ![]() Keep lying to yourself More bitter rants and tears from Dundeejah ![]() Where are interlinking classes of fossils to prove your points? Ask a biologist. Evolution is not my business. Where are the superior ape men we see in books while we have millions of inferior monkeys Ask a biologist. Evolution is not my business. Why is the intelligence gap between we and them so huuuuuuuuuge Why is the human eye vulnerable to dust and impact from very strong light? Why is our eyesight so terrible compared to bats? Why are bacteria and viruses more powerful than the human species given that certain ailments like cancer and HIV are totally incurable, or that COVID-19 almost threatened to wipe out the entire human race? How come only 20% of the Earth is inhabitable for human beings, and within the little are that is habitable, we constantly suffer tsunamis, pandemics, earthquakes, floods, droughts, global warming and tornadoes? Oh I know the answer! It's InTeLLiGent dESigN!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() You don't think. You can't think. You only regurgitate bullshit you don't even understand. Pathetic dullard. Have you seen a unicellular organism either by chance or by engineering become bicellular or multicellular... Show us one, even if na fake one Ask a biologist. Evolution is not my business. For thousands of years, the Bible has only one few that all life was created by Gof Gof? Who's Gof? ![]() How many times has Darwin's theories (Darwinism) been modified? Not once, not twice, not 4 times, not 4 times. Many scientists including those that are atheists do agree on the definition of evolution or the basis of his theory and many have called it obsolete... Where then does the fact come from Of course you'd make this spurious argument because you cannot decipher the difference between religion (unquestioned dogma) and science. Criticisms of scientific theories are commonplace within the scientific community. That's how science works, dumbo. Scientists collect data for research, carry out experiments and report their findings. These data are readily accessible to other scientists who can carry out the same experiments and attempt to falsify them. And that's where the strength of science lies: it subjects supposed facts to intense scrutiny to establish their veracity. Scientific knowledge is cumulative. It evolves through the process of scientists learning about, criticizing, and improving upon the previous works of scientists. Religion on the other hand, makes allusions to absolute "truths" and are not open to change or growth. In fact, religion explicitly discourages anyone from honestly and objectively challenging the inherent beliefs that are considered sacred to said religion. For example, the case of Galileo being persecuted by the Catholic Church for his conception of a heliocentric solar system which directly contradicted the Church's belief in a flat Earth. So long story short, Science establishes truth via thorough experiments, criticisms and continuous revision of theories. Whereas, religion establishes truth via indoctrination, blackmail and threats. You think say I be mumu like wuna Bro, it took you 40 pages to finally realize I'm a girl after calling me a guy all along. We don't think you're stupid. We KNOW you're stupid. Now that you've unwittingly gotten your dumb ass banned, I hope you spend the next 24 hours of your sorry life reflecting on your relentless stupidity, and come back a better man. In the meantime, I'll have to clean up this place. The stench of your illiteracy continues to linger on the thread, like a curry fart in an elevator ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:03am On Dec 29, 2023 |
Thorrn: And I have given it and the only way you speak against it was to CHANGE POST AND GO OFF POINT. Since these past weeks I gave my proof and answer, all tou have done is try to raise issues that are outside the argument and you have not been able to get back into the argument. So, clearly you have nothing for I have given proof whilst you are unable to counter it as off point and change of posts arguments are invalid arguments. That is why it is The Law that "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH" |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 12:12am On Dec 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: You didn't give any proof my guy. You just presented a rendition of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, but dressed it up in a tattered manner, as opposed to the elegance with which more competent apologists usually portray it. And the KCA has been widely trashed and destroyed in all forums of philosophical debate throughout modern history. Permit me to rephrase your last sentence here: "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST A NON-ARGUMENT" Safe to say, the case is closed. And you have been dismissed. Next! 1 Like |
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