Minsk24:

Christainity and feeling of supremacy, so laughable

It's actually laughable because you feel superior.

ItShallPass:


Some day, you would meet God. That's not a prayer. It's a prophecy. It would come to pass in God's time.

Oh no, that prophecy is already fulfilled my friend. I am IN God everyday. At no time was I ever separated

No man can exist outside of God's 100% love.

No height, no dept, no ignorance can separate me or ANYONE else wether they believe in God or not from this reality.

Man however had hidden this truth to create an avenue for subjugation and misleading man from this truth for personal reasons.

This is what sets true spirituality apart from Satanic doctrines. This is why religions prefer ignorance and fear.

Thank God I am an ECKist! 🙏🙂

chieveboy:


Oh no, that prophecy is already fulfilled my friend. I am IN God everyday. At no time was I ever separated

No man can exist outside of God's 100% love.

No height, no dept, no ignorance can separate me or ANYONE else wether they believe in God or not from this reality.

Man however had hidden this truth to create an avenue for subjugation and misleading man from this truth for personal reasons.

This is what sets true spirituality apart from Satanic doctrines. This is why religions prefer ignorance and fear.

Thank God I am an ECKist! 🙏🙂

You'll meet the true God man. It's just a matter of time. I understand where you're talking from.

ItShallPass:


You'll meet the true God man.

I will take this as a Golden Tongue Wisdom

It's just a matter of time.

There is really no "Time" as it where. Whatever exists is existing here and now.

I understand where you're talking from.

Good.

ItShallPass:


It's actually laughable because you feel superior.

The height of ignorant arrogance is how a worshipper of the two-headed God is threatening a student of the Mahanta with hell and damnation.

chieveboy:


The height of ignorant arrogance is how a worshipper of the two-headed God is threatening a student of the Mahanta with hell and damnation.

It's like that. Everyone with an experience thinks he's the one with knowledge until he is disproved.

chieveboy:


I will take this as a Golden Tongue Wisdom



There is really no "Time" as it where. Whatever exists is existing here and now.



Good.

With God, time is irrelevant in His realm. But as a man, you still have tomorrow, and many days to come.

ItShallPass:


With God, time is irrelevant in His realm.

1: Eckankar teaches you ways to explore the reality behind Paul's statements "...ye are God's" for your self, so that you no longer need to believe it, but know it.

But as a man, you still have tomorrow, and many days to come.

2: It also teaches you that heaven is here and now. Not tomorrow, not yesterday. In fact, no such thing as yesterday or tomorrow but an eternal Now.

If you realize this, you will see the scam and folly in someone threatening you of not going to heaven when you die or that you must accept any man as your savior before you go there.

This is because Man is already existing in the same time in heaven as he is living on earth now. His heavenly bodies which correspond to the heavens themselves are what give life to his physical body. When the link to his heavenly body is severed, the physical body dies.

What keeps him from seeing and knowing this reality is his because he uses the human body which is spiritually dumb by nature and can only see physical things. But he drops this temporarily every night and sees parts of heaven and has experiences there, comes back in the morning and calls it "a dream".

This means man automatically uses the heavenly body the moment he drops the earthly one permanently at death. He doesn't even need to know the word "God" for him to continue life in heaven. Its a default setting that most dead people do not even know that they have died...

So the kingdom of heaven is here and now. It's within you. Not in the skies even according to Jesus when asked when the kingdom of God is coming.

This is why we laugh when you go about the folly of threatening anyone here. We cross the body daily. We don't believe heaven exist. We know it exists. Believers in anything without experiencing it are ignorant and dangerous to themselves.

chieveboy:


1: Eckankar teaches you ways to explore the reality behind Paul's statements "...ye are God's" for your self, so that you no longer need to believe it, but know it.



2: It also teaches you that heaven is here and now. Not tomorrow, not yesterday. In fact, no such thing as yesterday or tomorrow but an eternal Now.

If you realize this, you will see the scam and folly in someone threatening you of not going to heaven when you die or that you must accept any man as your savior before you go there.

This is because Man is already existing in the same time in heaven as he is living on earth now. His heavenly bodies which correspond to the heavens themselves are what give life to his physical body. When the link to his heavenly body is severed, the physical body dies.

What keeps him from seeing and knowing this reality is his because he uses the human body which is spiritually dumb by nature and can only see physical things. But he drops this temporarily every night and sees parts of heaven and has experiences there, comes back in the morning and calls it "a dream".

This means man automatically uses the heavenly body the moment he drops the earthly one permanently at death. He doesn't even need to know the word "God" for him to continue life in heaven. Its a default setting that most dead people do not even know that they have died...

So the kingdom of heaven is here and now. It's within you. Not in the skies even according to Jesus when asked when the kingdom of God is coming.

This is why we laugh when you go about the folly of threatening anyone here. We cross the body daily. We don't believe heaven exist. We know it exists. Believers in anything without experiencing it are ignorant and dangerous to themselves.

Smiling.

One day, I repeat, you'll meet the true God, and it's just a matter of time.

ItShallPass:


Smiling.

One day, I repeat, you'll meet the true God, and it's just a matter of time.

Time and space are illusions. Cheers

chieveboy:


Time and space are illusions. Cheers

True.

You'll meet the true God in His time. As long as you're in your body, you'll continue to count time until you leave that body.

ItShallPass:


True.

You'll meet the true God in His time. As long as you're in your body, you'll continue to count time until you leave that body.

ItShallPass:


True.

You'll meet the true God in His time. As long as you're in your body, you'll continue to count time until you leave that body.

We live as Gods while on earth. That's why we ditched Christianity all together and it's counting of time.

We don't worship the God who has enemies and adversaries (Satan). We follow the Supreme Deity.

As you can see, oga two-head that you worship is late counting time...

chieveboy:


We live as Gods while on earth. That's why we ditched Christianity all together and it's counting of time.

We don't worship the God who has enemies and adversaries (Satan). We follow the Supreme Deity.

As you can see, Jehovah is late

Yeah, we live as Gods while on earth. We exercise authority over Satan and his demons.

God has no enemies. All things are the works of His hands. Satan became the enemy of God only because he's the enemy of man. God loves man, and so, any enemy of man automatically becomes the enemy of God.

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Yeah, we live as Gods while on earth. We exercise authority over Satan and his demons.

In Eckankar, we worry not about Satan akd his demons because we know that the moment you put your attention on anything, you become one with it or attract it. Maybe that's why church is so much into binding and casting that never finishes despite all the "power in de blood"...

Our attention is on the Holy Spirit most of the time and this places is in realms where demons don't exist.

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God has no enemies. All things are the works of His hands. Satan became the enemy of God only because he's the enemy of man. God loves man, and so, any enemy of man automatically becomes the enemy of God.

No need for the first statement ("God has no enemies" because you invariably said he has one which includes even men at the end of the day.

Eckankar teaches you of a Supreme Deity who dwells in the Ocean of Love and Mercy where it's not possible to have anger, hate, jealousy, and enemies as characterized by the God of Christianity.

The Supreme Deity CANNOT be angry, regret, be jealous or provoked even for a nano second!

Anger, Jealousy, Envy, Regret, Hate are NEGATIVE traits even by man's standard.

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Please read me again.

God has no enemies but the enemies of man are God's enemies because God loves man. I never said or implied that man is one of God's enemies.

Yeah, the Almighty God can be angry because He am hates evil and the perpetrators thereof. Or are you saying that the Eckankar deity loves evil? The Almighty God is a jealous God because He loves. When you truly love someone, you can become jealous when that same someone gives the attention and service meant for you to another.

Anger, Jealousy, Envy, Regret and Hate are not negative in themselves. It all depends on the source and the direction of these traits. While it is a positive trait to be angry at evil, it is not a positive trait to be angry for nothing. These traits move us to correct the things that are wrong. God hates sin for instability but He loves the sinner. Does the Eckankar deity love sin? Or he protends as if Sin does not exist?

Modified:

Our attention is not on Satan and demons as Christians. Christ already made us victorious over them. But in liberating the captives of Satan, we exercise dominion.

ItShallPass:


Please read me again.

God has no enemies but the enemies of man are God's enemies because God loves man. I never said or implied that man is one of God's enemies.

Yeah, the Almighty God can be angry because He am hates evil and the perpetrators thereof. Or are you saying that the Eckankar deity loves evil? The [b]Almighty God is a jealous God because He loves. [/b]When you truly love someone, you can become jealous when that same someone gives the attention and service meant for you to another.

[b]Anger, Jealousy, Envy, Regret and Hate are not negative in themselves. It all depends on the source and the direction of these traits. [/b]While it is a positive trait to be angry at evil, it is not a positive trait to be angry for nothing. These traits move us to correct the things that are wrong. God hates sin for instability but He loves the sinner. Does the Eckankar deity love sin? Or he protends as if Sin does not exist?

I never said or implied that man is one of God's enemies.

For it's own reasons, Christians and Orthodox religion teach themselves that those who don't believe in their Prophet are children of the devil (Gods enemies). That God is burning them up for that. If anything, all you have been telling me since is that God is my enemy and I his.


The bolded above got me laughing

All in the name of protecting the image of Lord Two-head (God of orthodox religion ), you invariably said Anger, Hate, Jealousy, Envy are positive forces. At this juncture, o really want you to go beyond trying to win arguments and really contemplate things out...

I will leave you with a screenshot of what Paul said about Love which was compiled in what is known as the Christian Bible below.

Know that the rule doesn't change for anyone. Hate is hate, anger is anger, Jealousy is Jealousy even for any being that claims it is God. By the fruits, you can know what is what, a good tree does not produce bad fruits.

Cheers.

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For it's own reasons, Christians and Orthodox religion teach themselves that those who don't believe in their Prophet are children of the devil (Gods enemies). That God is burning them up for that. If anything, all you have been telling me since is that God is my enemy and I his.

This is actually a wrong understanding of Christian doctrines.

God loves the world, and in demonstration of that love, He sent His Son to die for the world.

The reason is that Satan's presence in the world works to make man sinful. God is not just God, He's also the Judge of the universe. A judge doesn't cast a convict to prison because he hates him, he does it because that is the consequence of breaking the law. Sin is the breaking of the law.

God must judge the world but He has passed the judgement of every man on His Son. Those who reject that sacrifice made by God's Son automatically attract the judgement to themselves instead of passing it on to God's son. Hell was not created for man. It was created for unrepentant Satan. But those who chose Satan rather than God, have all rights in the universe to share the same fate with him. God would not continue watching His world being in chaos till infinity. God must put an end to this chaos some day, and judge the cause of the chaos (Satan), and those who reject the sacrifice of gods Son in preference for God's judgement. God is love, and with Him there's no darkness at all.

The bolded above got me laughing

All in the name of protecting the image of Lord Two-head (God of orthodox religion ), you invariably said Anger, Hate, Jealousy, Envy are positive forces. At this juncture, o really want you to go beyond trying to win arguments and really contemplate things out...

Please be corrected.

I never said Anger, Hate, Envy and Jealousy are positive forces. Rather they are two sided things. With the exception of envy which is purely evil and condemnnable, Anger, Hate and Jealousy are defined.

Except you want to deceive yourself, do you hate armed robbery or love it? Does your hatred for armed robbery make you evil? In the same vein, if you're a father, would you not be jealous if your son rejects your fatherly provisions and embraces that of another man and calls him his father? Won't your heart yearn for your son? Does that jealousy over your beloved son make you evil? If you angrily defend your son against an attacker does that anger make you evil? You can't class these things as negative without presenting a context.

Anger, hate and jealousy can only be defined within their subjective contexts. It's an aberration to classify them as purely negative. Otherwise, I'll expect you not to be angry at your son's attacker. Instead, while the fellow is attacking him, you cuddle the attacker in love while your son suffers because love is all you have.

I will leave you with a screenshot of what Paul said about Love which was compiled in what is known as the Christian Bible below.

Know that the rule doesn't change for anyone. Hate is hate, anger is anger, Jealousy is Jealousy even for any being that claims it is God. By the fruits, you can know what is what, a good tree does not produce bad fruits.

Cheers.

What Paul said is within a defined context of love. Love isn't jealous when there's no reason for jealousy. That's evil. But if I start cuddling your wife right in front of you, you'll rise in Jealousy to the occasion. If I'm doing that to any other woman with whom you're not in love, you wouldn't be jealous, and if you are, then, you're evil.

I hope you got the points? Cheers my brother.

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In Eckankar, we know that the the Lord of the negative worlds tests souls via five deadly passions:

Anger
Attachment
Greed
Lust
Vanity

When you wander into the heavens and find any being who exhibits any of the above, know that you are before Satan or It's agent. It's very simple. Infact, the Lord of the lower worlds tests souls using one or all of the above negative virtues.

There is no excuse whatsoever for exhibiting any of the above, and Paul was spot-on about it. It was funny when you tried to white-wash jealousy and anger just so you can paint black white.

God or anyone has no business whatsoever with any of those negative traits. You can only fool people with the title "God" "Pastor" "believer", etc, your fruits however exposes who and what you really are.

This is what sets Eckankar apart!

chieveboy:


Okay... what I aimed by directing you to meet any elder in your village or family is to bring you closer to stop lifting the experience of others on this heaven.

On Google, you also find the experience of non Christians who died and saw one of the heavens.

The traditionalists and mystics have thousands of years before we smelled anything and anyone called "Jesus Christ"and "Christianity" visited the heavens with full consciousness and reported back their findings which is lost in folklores and myths .

Millions of Eckists and even atheists have fulfilled this feats and some do it daily like Paul of the Bible who said "he dies daily".

For your information, when you die, the person you are going to face will not give a hoot about your Christianity or things you believe in. No blood hence will save you from the experience, only your good deeds.

Atheists even advance to the better heavens than some of the best "men of God"...

I will advice you to go and find out what happens to people when they die because for now, you are just spewing what you believe and not what you know. So go and find out first hand because you definitely will be shocked and very disappointed.

Heaven or life after death is not what you read or argue about. You MUST experience , else you're just an ostrich burying it's head in hay against a lion.

This is why I said that you didn't have a good foundation in Christ.

If our good works could save us, Jesus would not have come to die. The scripture says that all our righteousness are like filthy rags.

It was only the blood of Jesus that met the demand of Justice.

The scripture says that the wages of sin is death.

It also says that, without the shedding of blood, there is no remission.

Jesus is the one who has been appointed to judge everyone. And you will stand before him to be judged.

And the words he spoke and the writings of the Apostles is what will be used to judge this generation on that day.

Your good works only counts after you are saved. Good works will never save you.

There is only one name given under heaven by which man shall be saved. And that name is Jesus.

Ken4Christ:


This is why I said that you didn't have a good foundation in Christ.

If our good works could save us, Jesus would not have come to die. The scripture says that all our righteousness are like filthy rags.

It was only the blood of Jesus that met the demand of Justice.

The scripture says that the wages of sin is death.

It also says that, without the shedding of blood, there is no remission.

Jesus is the one who has been appointed to judge everyone. And you will stand before him to be judged.

And the words he spoke and the writings of the Apostles is what will be used to judge this generation on that day.

Your good works only counts after you are saved. Good works will never save you.

There is only one name given under heaven by which man shall be saved. And that name is Jesus.

Okay. Goodnight

chieveboy:


In Eckankar, we know that the the Lord of the negative worlds tests souls via five deadly passions:

Anger
Attachment
Greed
Lust
Vanity

When you wander into the heavens and find any being who exhibits any of the above, know that you are before Satan or It's agent. It's very simple. Infact, the Lord of the lower worlds tests souls using one or all of the above negative virtues.

There is no excuse whatsoever for exhibiting any of the above, and Paul was spot-on about it. It was funny when you tried to white-wash jealousy and anger just so you can paint black white.

God or anyone has no business whatsoever with any of those negative traits. You can only fool people with the title "God" "Pastor" "believer", etc, your fruits however exposes who and what you really are.

This is what sets Eckankar apart!

I wasn't doing any whitewashing. You already got my point, that's why you didn't care to answer the questions raised.

Those things are like money, you can use it to do both good and evil. So, without context, you cannot really categorize those forces. If you're talking of anger, hate, envy and jealousy in terms of habitual manifestations, then, we're on the same page. Anyone who is habitually angry, envious, jealous or hateful is evil. The Almighty God does not personify those evil traits. He's love personified and all His children are commanded to be like Him. Are you telling me that you never get angry? There's nothing you hate in life (You don't hate murder, infidelity, cheating, etc) ? You'll not be jealous of your wife if you see another man cuddle her? You can't paint these forces any colour without talking of context except you're referring to habitual manifestations and tendencies.

ItShallPass:


I wasn't doing any whitewashing. You already got my point, that's why you didn't care to answer the questions raised.

I did, you simply missed it. Amber gives birth to jealousy and envy which are sisters.

Those things are like money, you can use it to do both good and evil. So, without context, you cannot really categorize those forces.

They are not, and here goes the whitewashing again. Anger never produces any good. It is a destructive force. It springs from the negative polarity of the life force.

Maybe I should talk physics so you will understand. The negative pole of anything came only function as one. If it produces positive charges, then it's not negative bit positive. It cannot be the two at once.

If you're talking of anger, hate, envy and jealousy in terms of habitual manifestations, then, we're on the same page. Anyone who is habitually angry, envious, jealous or hateful is evil..

Very good. The extension of the Two-headed God is constantly angry and jealous because 24/7, you have Muslims, Eckists, etc who are constantly worshiping other Gods but him. He said not to worship any God but him for he is a jealous God.

[quote] The Almighty God does not personify those evil traits. He's love personified and all His children are commanded to be like Him.

I will quote this so that you will rethink the statement. If you personify love, there will be zero room for anger because from it emanates hate, resentment, jealousy, strif, and envy.

Are you telling me that you never get angry? There's nothing you hate in life (You don't hate murder, infidelity, cheating, etc) ? You'll not be jealous of your wife if you see another man cuddle her?

We are talking about a supposedly perfect God not me. As much as I can, I run away from hate and jealousy even as a mortal, not to talk of someone who supposedly lives in glory, honor, golden throne and whatnot, yet still lacks contentment and makes time for petty emotions that even men are finding obnoxious.

You can't paint these forces any colour without talking of context except you're referring to habitual manifestations and tendencies.

In the world's beyond the world's of creation (1rst, 2nd ...4th heavens), no negative trait exists. Anyone who loves there can't find anger, jealousy or hate in them even if they want to. This is why the ruler or deity of this world is said to dwell in an Ocean of Love and Mercy.

The other ruler who is found in the world of creation where nothing can exist withouts it's opposite on the other hand exhibits the base traits found in his world because he created them (Isiah 45:7). [b]He personifies them [/b]He is the God of Orthodox religion who is capable of jealousy, envy, anger, lust, etc. This is why he can order mass killings and all that.

These negative streams are necessary for him to carry on the job of creation and destruction.

Read that scripture above and digest it.

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I did, you simply missed it. Amber gives birth to jealousy and envy which are sisters.

Wrong! Anger does not always give birth to jealousy. It depends on the circumstances. It is right to be angry against evil or even against things that are wrong.
A parent can be justifiably angry with an incorrigible and wayward child. It's that your conclusive generalization for me. You didn't answer my questions regarding what your position would be if you were the father of a child who honours another father, or the husband of a woman being cuddled by another man, or even the father of a child under attack by an assailant. You've been evasive.

These emotions can be either right or wrong. It depends on how and why they are unleashed.

They are not, and here goes the whitewashing again. Anger never produces any good. It is a destructive force. It springs from the negative polarity of the life force.

It's a destructive force of cause. But destruction is not always evil. If it destroys wickedness and evil, it does a good job. It does a bad job if it destroys the good. There are always things to be preserved, things to build, and things to destroy. What do you do to the things you have inside your dustbin, don't you destroy them? Is their destruction evil? You're making me believe that Eckankar wants to assume that all things are perfect and that there are no anomalies at all. If that's the case it's pure deception. In this physical world, anomalies exist, and there are emotions put in place by God that motivate people to correct anomalies. Infact, we destroy forests and all obstacles to make way for our farmlands, roads and buildings. Let's embrace balance when philosophizing. Destruction is not always evil.

Maybe I should talk physics so you will understand. The negative pole of anything came only function as one. If it produces positive charges, then it's not negative bit positive. It cannot be the two at once.

And by physics, I'll want you to understand that the interworking of both positive and negative charges is what produces useful effects. Positive poles or positive charges are useless alone because they can't produce anything. The same applies to the negative poles and charges. All emotions have their rightful uses in our world. The excessive or abusive use of them is what causes a problem. That's why the Bible says "Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. Ephesians 4:26.

The Eckankar philosophy about Anger, Hate and Jealousy is not a balanced position without due respect to context .

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Jesus preached to bless those who curse you...and turn the other cheek. To win an argument, you today are telling us evil can be used as far as it defeats evil which I have not heard before.

Jesus was actually teaching you the only successful way of dealing with the five deadly passions which Eckankar highlighted as :lust, anger, greed, attachment and vanity. Respectively, the only tool that deals with them are: rightful discrimination, tolerance, contentment, detachment and humility.

Using anger to attempt solving any issues is adding fuel to fire. Even as humans, we have tried it severally and proved anger solves nothing, jealousy, envy had never solved any problem but compounds it. If I was very jealous because a man held my wife, I was using the wrong approach.

If she is done with the relationship emotionally which is okay, a spiritually mature person will peacefully allow her make the decision to go while maintaining their sanity. This infact is always expected of any relationship and parting ways is no sin while remaining together is spiritual poisoning . Sadly, Christianity doesn't take account of this reality. Jealousy is what leads to the pouring of hot water on a cheating spouse and such. It characteristically compounds a problem .

Meanwhile I have not heard from you about Isiah 45:7. I told you the deity you are advertising to me is the embodiment of evil. What do you say?

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Jesus preached to bless those who curse you...and turn the other cheek. To win an argument, you today are telling us evil can be used as far as it defeats evil which I have not heard before.

Can you show me exactly where I said evil can be used as far as it defeats evil? Please quote where I said that. Why twisting my words?

We were talking about the emotions of Anger, Hate and Jealousy, and I'm showing you that these emotions are not entirely evil in themselves. Their contexts matter. Are we discussing the subject of Evil or of those 3 emotions?

Jesus was actually teaching you the only successful way of dealing with the five deadly passions which Eckankar highlighted as :lust, anger, greed, attachment and vanity. Respectively, the only tool that deals with them are: rightful discrimination, tolerance, contentment, detachment and humility.

Using anger to attempt solving any issues is adding fuel to fire. Even as humans, we have tried it severally and proved anger solves nothing, jealousy, envy had never solved any problem but compounds it. If I was very jealous because a man held my wife, I was using the wrong approach.

If she is done with the relationship emotionally which is okay, a spiritually mature person will peacefully allow her make the decision to go while maintaining their sanity. This infact is always expected of any relationship and parting ways is no sin while remaining together is spiritual poisoning . Sadly, Christianity doesn't take account of this reality. Jealousy is what leads to the pouring of hot water on a cheating spouse and such. It characteristically compounds a problem.

Did you listen to what you just said now? Perhaps you don't know that your reasoning that "if she is done with the relationship, it's okay, a spiritually mature person would let her go peacefully" is a reasoning stemming from jealousy? Since you're not jealous, I don't expect you to even consider that she might be done with the relationship. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.

You've avoided the question that has to do with the attacker of a child in his father's presence. We do what Jesus taught us a Christians. The truth is that, to rise against evil, you need to unleash some emotions in their acceptable measures. Let me ask you another question. If you were to be the president of a country, what would you do if another country invades yours and start unleashing terror upon your citizens?

Meanwhile I have not heard from you about Isiah 45:7. I told you the deity you are advertising to me is the embodiment of evil. What do you say?

Yeah, Isaiah 45:7 is real in our world today. Have you not heard? "Say unto the righteous, it shall be well with him... Say unto the wicked, it shall be I'll with him..."

God has Light for the righteous and darkness for the wicked. He reserves Good for the righteous and Evil for the wicked. He who owns the earth where both the Righteous and the Wicked dwell must be able to judge and reward righteousness while also recompensing wickedness. Any God who cannot judge the the Righteous and the Wicked is not the Creator. God has both in his hands the same way an earthly ruler has banquets and prisons. Would you call a ruler evil if he imprisons a murderer? Are prisons good places? Your attitude as a human or spirit will determine your own reward. God would wait patiently for the wicked to repent but one day, he'll be brought to judgement.

God would never do evil to righteous people. Far be it from Him.

ItShallPass:

Can you show me exactly where I said evil can be used as far as it defeats evil? Please quote where I said that. Why twisting my words?

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We were talking about the emotions of Anger, Hate and Jealousy, and I'm showing you that these emotions are not entirely evil in themselves.

While you don't seem to understand that Jealousy, envy, hate, strife and such all originate from Anger and Greed, and consequently evil in themselves, you further seem to mistake the act of destroying something for Anger. Subtle as it is, the thin line which makes all the difference between constructive destruction and that done with anger is found in the Feeling.

While taking down my house for a better one, I feel pride, fulfilment and positive hope for a better one. If I was provoked and was to use a caterpillar on the house, it's a different thing.

What you will hardly see is the type of energy I was generating while performing in any of the two emotional qualities I listed earlier. Is the emotion negative or positive? That's the defining line.

With the above I can chastise an erring child in a state of one or two of the qualities Eckankar proposes vis :Patience, Detachment and Rightful Discrimination. This is love invariably.

If you wonder why anger is totally discouraged, it's about what it does to your spiritual bodies. You immediately fall from grace spiritually to a particular part of heaven where immature (evil) souls dwell. These are the demons as referred to by the church.

Before you know it, a "righteous anger" (as you will have) it is being sponsored by a discarnate entity without your knowledge. Do it another time and you form a hidden bond with that entity. The picture is this: any base emotion (jealousy,hate,strife, envy) automatically places you at the lowest wrung of the spiritual ladder. This is where the Shakaus and Osamas are found if you visit.

We were talking about the emotions of Anger, Hate and Jealousy, and I'm showing you that these emotions are not entirely evil in themselves.

Evil is actually a generalization of acts inspired by jealousy (eg: A Deity ordering mass murder), Envy (same as above), and ultimately Anger, Greed, Lust, Vanity and Undue attachment to material things.

Look up the definition of the word evil.

The Almighty God does not personify those evil traits.

Excuse me. We actually know the one you're referring to above as the 'Two-headed God', the God of good and evil. We know him as the school master of the lower worlds of creation.

He is both the drummer and dancer that church is fighting and praying to if you know what I mean. There is a name you call either of his two heads/sides in church while requesting or binding.

The scripture I was trying to quote and hear from you about is actually Isaiah 45:7. It actually corroborates Eckankar's knowledge of him that I highlighted here.

This is why I shake my head at you when you keep promoting him to me.

chieveboy:


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While you don't seem to understand that Jealousy, envy, hate, strife and such all originate from Anger and Greed, and consequently evil in themselves, you further seem to mistake the act of destroying something for Anger. Subtle as it is, the thin line which makes all the difference between constructive destruction and that done with anger is found in the Feeling.

No. You're muddling up my points. You're either not getting me or pretending not to. My position about destroying something stems from your argument against 'destruction', and I have proven to you that destruction is not evil in itself just as anger, hate and jealousy. Now in this response, you seem to be aligning with the fact that destruction is not entirely evil. So is anger and hate. You've already failed the jealousy test in a previous post where you complained that 'if your woman is tired of the marriage, she should leave peacefully'. You didn't seem to realize that the talk about her leaving you because a man touched her stems from jealousy. I'm sure you understand my points but you seem to be arguing only for the purpose of winning. Jealousy itself is the force that makes you defend your woman against an aggressor. It's good from your wives perspective as she'll appreciate the defence. To the aggressor, you're bad for not allowing him fulfil his negative intent upon your woman.

The same goes for anger. It's a motivational force that can make you rise against unfavorable situations and turn them around for good. These emotions need the right channelling, otherwise they'll lead to disasters.

[quite]While taking down my house for a better one, I feel pride, fulfilment and positive hope for a better one. If I was provoked and was to use a caterpillar on the house, it's a different thing.

What you will hardly see is the type of energy I was generating while performing in any of the two emotional qualities I listed earlier. Is the emotion negative or positive? That's the defining line.

Now, you're coming to terms with my position. You don seem to understand that you love something because you actually hate something else. The reason why you love fresh air is because you hate heat. You can be angry when things are not right. The anger motivates you and gives you the impetus to turn wrong things aright. So also is destruction. You destroy evil so that good may reign.

With the above I can chastise an erring child in a state of one or two of the qualities Eckankar proposes vis :Patience, Detachment and Rightful Discrimination. This is love invariably.

But, why chastise a child if you do not hate what the child is doing? You chastise the child because you love the child and hate the wrong things the child is doing.

If you wonder why anger is totally discouraged, it's about what it does to your spiritual bodies. You immediately fall from grace spiritually to a particular part of heaven where immature (evil) souls dwell. These are the demons as referred to by the church.

Before you know it, a "righteous anger" (as you will have) it is being sponsored by a discarnate entity without your knowledge. Do it another time and you form a hidden bond with that entity. The picture is this: any base emotion (jealousy,hate,strife, envy) automatically places you at the lowest wrung of the spiritual ladder. This is where the Shakaus and Osamas are found if you visit.

You're talking about habitual irresponsible emotions. The type of emotions you described above are contextual.

For example, I don't get angry at people who hurt me. I have found myself increasingly moving in love towards people, no matter what they might have done to me. I actually forgive people ever before they say 'I'm sorry" because I know it does me a lot of good to shun hate and release forgiveness. And I can do this by the power of the Holy Ghost.

However, all the aforementioned emotions are natural and can only be defined within specific contexts. They are not entirely evil in themselves except envy.

Excuse me. We actually know the one you're referring to above as the 'Two-headed God', the God of good and evil. We know him as the school master of the lower worlds of creation.

He is both the drummer and dancer that church is fighting and praying to if you know what I mean. There is a name you call either of his two heads/sides in church while requesting or binding.

The scripture I was trying to quote and hear from you about is actually Isaiah 45:7. It actually corroborates Eckankar's knowledge of him that I highlighted here.

This is why I shake my head at you when you keep promoting him to me.

Contrary to what Eckankar told you about the Creator of the universe in relation to Isaiah 45:7, I have given you a heads-up to make you see the lie in Eckankar's version. You've not answered the questions I asked you regarding this section of the discussion. Would call a judge evil for condemning a law breaker to prison?

Now if you say the Lord ordered mass murder, who are those concerned? The righteous or the wicked? Is it wrong for God to judge evil doers?

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But, why chastise a child if you do not hate what the child is doing? You chastise the child because you love the child and hate the wrong things the child is doing.

I donts hate what the child is doing. I disapprove or simply do not agree or want to encourage that. Please look up the definition of "Hate".

You're talking about habitual irresponsible emotions. The type of emotions you described above are contextual.

No, it doesn't have to be habitual. "It's my first time" and you're caught right in the act. Anger, Hate and other strong negative emotions is their spiritual battery. This is what Jesus means by the "the devil is roaming about looking for whom to devour". The demons lurk around people looking for any given chance.

Contrary to what Eckankar told you about the Creator of the universe in relation to Isaiah 45:7,[quote]

Oga hold it dia . Contrary to what contrary? The Bible said it's God is the very creator of good and evil itself and you want to white wash again is the biblical God not God and Satan

[quote]I have given you a heads-up to make you see the lie in Eckankar's version.

When did Eckankar wrote Isaiah 45:7? What lie is it when Eckankar corroborates Isaiah 45:7?

You've not answered the questions I asked you regarding this section of the discussion. Would call a judge evil for condemning a law breaker to prison?

You're funny. We're saying using anger, hate, jealousy and envy to conduct or perpetrate an act is what amounts to "evil". In your next response, please Get yourself a dictionary and give us the definition of Evil, Jealousy, Hate, Envy and Anger.

If a judge passes a sentence, he isn't doing that angrily. If I uproot weed I am not doing it out of jealousy, anger or hate, neither is the judge in that court room of yours above.

It is a different ball game entirely if a judge maliciously or out of jealousy sentences one, or I put of hate or anger uproot that very earlier weed.

Now if you say the Lord ordered mass murder, who are those concerned? The righteous or the wicked? Is it wrong for God to judge evil doers?

Ordering mass murder even by man's standard over jealousy, anger or hate is babaric. It's more so if you consider that he created the very evil (Isaiah 45:7) he is murdering people over. What's the idea?

Man in civilized and spiritually matured setting gave the freedom of worship and belief to all.

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1. Stop sugar quoting the words. To disapprove of something to the extent of chastising a child about it means you actually dislike what the child is doing. You hate it. Do you disapprove of murder, armed robbery or infidelity? You actually hate them. Don't tell me you're simply not in agreement with those vices. You'll probably give up all you have to ensure your children don't do any of such . And you hate your excreta as well. I'm sure you wouldn't want it anywhere near your plate of food. This back and forth is unnecessary. It is very clear that emotions have context. And by their context, they could either be good or bad.

2. Again, hate, jealousy and anger are emotions defined within their contexts. Stop pretending you don't know. You were jealous over your wife, that's why you thought she might be done with her marriage to you a d so much leave in peace. You saw also the good that can be derived from destruction when destroying the unpleasant to plant the pleasant. And of cause anger too can be used as a motivational force to right wrongs. Hate the evil but love the good. The emotions are only defined within contexts and you have been unable to disprove me contextually.

3. Eckankar did not write Isaiah 45:7 but deceitfully interpreted it. I have given you the right interpretation. A nice King, no matter how nice he is, would have both prisons and banqueting halls. A king is a judge in his own land. How much more the King of kings? The judge of the whole earth has light for the law keepers and darkness for law breakers. Good for those who do well, a evil for the evil workers.

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You're funny. We're saying using anger, hate, jealousy and envy to conduct or perpetrate an act is what amounts to "evil". In your next response, please Get yourself a dictionary and give us the definition of Evil, Jealousy, Hate, Envy and Anger.

If you're saying using jealousy, anger and hate to perpetrate an act is evil, then you're talking within specific contexts. Now, within a specific context of rebuilding your home, you have see
the positive sides of destruction. Myy argument with you are based on jealousy, anger and hate alone because these 3 have contextual derivations just like destruction. Unlike Evil and Envy whose contexts are 100% unacceptable.

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Ordering mass murder even by man's standard over jealousy, anger or hate is babaric. It's more so if you consider that he created the very evil (Isaiah 45:7) he is murdering people over. What's the idea?

Would you show me proof that the Almighty God did this? Give me biblical accounts where God Almighty ordered mass murders over jealousy, anger and hate.

Man does evil out of his own volition. God never said He created evil. Stop reading the Bible upside down. 'I the Lord do all these things' is not the same as 'I the Lord created all these things '. God was talking about what He does to the righteous and wicked. He wasn't talking about what He created.

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Man in civilized and spiritually matured setting gave the freedom of worship and belief to all.

Man does not own the world as well as his own breath. He's free to worship whosever he wills to worship but in the end he'll be accountable to the 'He' who created the Universe and owns it. He'll be accountable to the One who gave him the breath of his nostrils.

Again, any god that cannot judge the righteous and the wicked is not the Creator of this world and therefore does not deserve to be worshipped.

ItShallPass:


1. Stop sugar quoting the words. To disapprove of something to the extent of chastising a child about it means you actually dislike what the child is doing. You hate it. Do you disapprove of murder, armed robbery or infidelity? You actually hate them. Don't tell me you're simply not in agreement with those vices. You'll probably give up all you have to ensure your children don't do any of such . And you hate your excreta as well. I'm sure you wouldn't want it anywhere near your plate of food. This back and forth is unnecessary. It is very clear that emotions have context. And by their context, they could either be good or bad.

2. Again, hate, jealousy and anger are emotions defined within their contexts. Stop pretending you don't know. You were jealous over your wife, that's why you thought she might be done with her marriage to you a d so much leave in peace. You saw also the good that can be derived from destruction when destroying the unpleasant to plant the pleasant. And of cause anger too can be used as a motivational force to right wrongs. Hate the evil but love the good. The emotions are only defined within contexts and you have been unable to disprove me contextually.

3. Eckankar did not write Isaiah 45:7 but deceitfully interpreted it. I have given you the right interpretation. A nice King, no matter how nice he is, would have both prisons and banqueting halls. A king is a judge in his own land. How much more the King of kings? The judge of the whole earth has light for the law keepers and darkness for law breakers. Good for those who do well, a evil for the evil workers.

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If you're saying using jealousy, anger and hate to perpetrate an act is evil, then you're talking within specific contexts. Now, within a specific context of rebuilding your home, you have see
the positive sides of destruction. Myy argument with you are based on jealousy, anger and hate alone because these 3 have contextual derivations just like destruction. Unlike Evil and Envy whose contexts are 100% unacceptable.

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Would you show me proof that the Almighty God did this? Give me biblical accounts where God Almighty ordered mass murders over jealousy, anger and hate.

Man does evil out of his own volition. God never said He created evil. Stop reading the Bible upside down. 'I the Lord do all these things' is not the same as 'I the Lord created all these things '. God was talking about what He does to the righteous and wicked. He wasn't talking about what He created.

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Man does not own the world as well as his own breath. He's free to worship whosever he wills to worship but in the end he'll be accountable to the 'He' who created the Universe and owns it. He'll be accountable to the One who gave him the breath of his nostrils.

Again, any god that cannot judge the righteous and the wicked is not the Creator of this world and therefore does not deserve to be worshipped.

Before Isaiah 45:7 was written, Eckankar knows who Jehova truly is.

Now that your eyes are clearly you want to really start asking serious questions about what you think you knew .


I rest my case.

chieveboy:


Before Isaiah 45:7 was written, Eckankar knows who Jehova truly is.

Now that your eyes are clearly you want to really start asking serious questions about what you think you knew .


I rest my case.

Eckankar knows whom Jehovah truly is but Eckankar would lie to you about Jehovah the same way Nathan Uzorma was lied to before Christ arrested him after which he wrote the book 'Occult Grandmaster Now in Christ'. The devil, the entity behind Eckankar would do all in his power to turn your back against the true God. His tactics have been the same from the beginning. He tries to let you see yourself as the god of yourself while you deny your Creator and give honour to spirit beings whom God has made lesser than you. Did he not say the same thing to Eve? "If you eat this fruit, your eyes shall be opened (you would be enlightened), and you would be as gods...' It's the same old tactics. Nothing new. By preaching enlightenment and the opportunity to become a god to you, he steals you away from your Maker while also maligning your Creator unto you, denying His Godship and making a mockery of His love.

God loves you nonetheless. No matter what Eckankar has told you, if you spread your hands to Jesus today, you would know the true God for yourself and discover that He is far fetched from all those things you have heard about Him.