The God of the Jews is the only God there is, all other Gods are the figment of human imagination. Any believe that seeks to elevate man beyond being a creature is of the devil.

There is only one creator and God, we as humans are His subject and creation.

Trampling God under foot in a quest for higher power walking on a slippery slope.

[quote author=ItShallPass post=127815699]

Eckankar knows whom Jehovah truly is but Eckankar would lie to you about Jehovah
Please help me understand, Jehovah in Isaiah 45:7 expressly tells you he is actually the one who CREATED evil and destructive itself. How did ECKANKAR now lied about it ?

Okay here is what we should do: Interprete the chapter for us so we settle the matter.


quote]...He tries to let you see yourself as the god of yourself

Just look at stark ignorance. No wonder...so all this whole, you believe Eckankar was somebody ? This is actually the problem with you lot. You attack everything you don't know.

For your information, "ECK" means Holy Spirit, "Ankar" means the way.


[quote] while you deny your Creator and give honour to spirit beings whom God has made lesser than you. Did he not say the same thing to Eve? "If you eat this fruit, your eyes shall be opened (you would be enlightened), and you would be as gods...' It's the same old tactics. Nothing new. By preaching enlightenment and the opportunity to become a god to you, he steals you away from your Maker while also maligning your Creator unto you, denying His Godship and making a mockery of His love.

Your ignorance about the teachings of Eckankar indeed is legendary. My issue however is:

Question1: why did you chose to attack something based on ignorance?

Question 2:
What do you know about Eckankar?

God loves you nonetheless. No matter what Eckankar has told you, if you spread your hands to Jesus today, you would know the true God for yourself and discover that He is far fetched from all those things you have heard about Him.

Very funny. I can assure you that even the two-headed God you worship, you know absolutely nothing about him. It's all a matter of belief it is for you.

Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. The output for this disease is exactly what you have been spewing here. When Christianity drops this disease of ignorance, it will become this path that Jesus Christ walked and even more.

[quote author=chieveboy post=127818284][/quote]

Smiling.

I have observed in this world that people know only within the parameters of their experiences. The ignorant do think he knows until he's proven otherwise.

From our discussions, you've made reference to human godship severally. Are you saying it wasn't Eckankar that thought you so? Or you want to live in denial? All satanic religions give man some sense of godship. All what you call spirit guides and masters are all demons. I dwell in the Light and can tell you that categorically because I deal with demons. I cast them out of people in the mighty name of Jesus. What I'm saying to you is out of love for your soul. You've been deceived my brother.

I have explained Isaiah 45:7 severally in previous posts. I'm sure you're either not reading my responses or demons are working willy nilly to immediately steal the information from your heart.

You want me to explain Isaiah 45:7 again for the umpteenth time?

ItShallPass:


Smiling.

I have observed in this world that people know only within the parameters of their experiences. The ignorant do think he knows until he's proven otherwise.

This statement ironically defines you and all the ignorant statements and assertion you've been making here. You recall how you thought Eckankar was a person or deity ?

From our discussions, you've made reference to human godship severally. Are you saying it wasn't Eckankar that thought you so? Or you want to live in denial?

Why should I deny lol? Here again, you displayed stark ignorance of the whole point Jesus was trying to make his followers know which is that they are actually mini God. He expressly stated "...Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34).

I am sure you didn't make sense of that scripture. Your lot don't do well with understanding, they prefer religious/emotional banditry...

Perhaps you need to really study the Bible well and get the spirit of the letter and not the other way round.

don't All satanic religions give man some sense of godship. All what you call spirit guides and masters are all demons. I dwell in the Light and can tell you that categorically because I deal with demons. I cast them out of people in the mighty name of Jesus. What I'm saying to you is out of love for your soul. You've been deceived my brother.

Hahahaha, this is most hilarious. You sound like if you label anything satanic, I will scamper and hide .

Here is something you should do instead, go look for a big mirror. A very big one. Now stand before it and have a good look. Whatever you see is actually the "Satanic", it is what you should be casting actually.

I have explained Isaiah 45:7 severally in previous posts. I'm sure you're either not reading my responses or demons are working willy nilly to immediately steal the information from your heart.

You want me to explain Isaiah 45:7 again for the umpteenth time?

Yes, explain again because you never did. Screenshot and attach if you ever did.

Heck I doubt if you even can because you have serially demonstrated phenomenal levels of lack of comprehension of the Bible for starters not mention teaching it. Like I said, you kind do well in spiritual/religious banditry however.

You remind me of a friend back in school. If it's about praying funny and noisy prayer, you will think he is Zebrudaya the prophet, but Emeka come and preach, my guy went blank. He was really just pouring his ignorance into the ether and we thought he was a powerful Christian.

I also asked you what you personally know about the doctrines or anything else about Eckankar, clearly you don't know any!!!. So from what information are you attacking it? Answer is speculation and lots of ignorance. Yikes!

sgtponzihater1:
The God of the Jews is the only God there is, all other Gods are the figment of human imagination. Any believe that seeks to elevate man beyond being a creature is of the devil.

There is only one creator and God, we as humans are His subject and creation.

Trampling God under foot in a quest for higher power walking on a slippery slope.

Fortunately, Eckankar doesn't place Soul above the Supreme Deity.

Chieveboy, I see what you are doing here. Trying to use the writings of the prophetic scriptures (gen to malachi) to whoop the assess of these folks.


Well, a lot of those places you are quoting were debunked by Jesus, John, and Paul.

By the way, you are right. God has no business with anger. Anywhere you see killings or anger in the scriptures, it wasn't God. It was the men exhibiting their emotions and calling it God.

I mean it's pretty obvious if you study Jesus or Paul.

Anyways flex ur win with these guys.

Peledonomy:
Chieveboy, I see what you are doing here. Trying to use the writings of the prophetic scriptures (gen to malachi) to whoop the assess of these folks.


Well, a lot of those places you are quoting were debunked by Jesus, John, and Paul.

By the way, you are right. God has no business with anger. Anywhere you see killings or anger in the scriptures, it wasn't God. It was the men exhibiting their emotions and calling it God.

I mean it's pretty obvious if you study Jesus or Paul.

Anyways flex ur win with these guys.

Well, if anything, Jesus links back to big man in Genesis-Mallachi doesn't he...that's by they way though because that doesn't change anything...

My major grouse is the ignorance involved in someone coming to force something I know to be several miles inferior to the truth I stand for down my throat.

No issues...none stood a chance after all...

chieveboy:


Well, if anything, Jesus links back to big man in Genesis-Mallachi doesn't he...that's by they way though because that doesn't change anything...

My major grouse is the ignorance involved in someone coming to force something I know to be several miles inferior to the truth I stand for down my throat.

No issues...none stood a chance after all...

Well, if Jesus links back to the big man in Gen to malachi, it changes everything.


Look at what John will say after listening to jesus christ. He tries to correct the impression found in Isaiah 45 vs 7.



John 1:5-7 KJV
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

[quote author=chieveboy post=127820505]

This statement ironically defines you and all the ignorant statements and assertion you've been making here. You recall how you thought Eckankar was a person or deity ?

I don't expect you to say otherwise. I've met many occults whose eyes only became opened after they met Jesus. While in the occult, they were proud and thought they know more than 'ignorant Christians'. You'll continue to say things like these until you encounter Jesus.

Why should I deny lol? Here again, you displayed stark ignorance of the whole point Jesus was trying to make his followers know which is that they are actually mini God. He expressly stated "...Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34).

I do not deny the point Jesus made. You don't understand the statement Jesus made, do you? Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82:6-7. The sons of God are gods because God can only beget God even as man can only beget man. But the godship of God's sons does not make them objects of worship. Of course they're honoured and revered in the realm of the spirit. The main point here is dominion and spiritual authority.

I am sure you didn't make sense of that scripture. Your lot don't do well with understanding, they prefer religious/emotional banditry...

Perhaps you need to really study the Bible well and get the spirit of the letter and not the other way round.

You're gradually jumping out of your skin. And, I actually like that.

I didn't make sense of that scripture, yet, you couldn't counteract me at all. If I didn't make sense, then you'll have raised objections. You know I made sense because as I posited, no matter how nice a king is, he'll have both prisons and banqueting halls. God is both King and Judge. He has a reward system and the tokens of the rewards for both the Righteous and the Wicked are with Him.

Hahahaha, this is most hilarious. You sound like if you label anything satanic, I will scamper and hide .

Here is something you should do instead, go look for a big mirror. A very big one. Now stand before it and have a good look. Whatever you see is actually the "Satanic", it is what you should be casting actually.

Perhaps, you scampered and wanted to hide by hearing the word 'satanic'. Or what could have made you think that was my intention? I don't know how you arrived at that reasoning since I was just talking to you freely. And I say again, Satan is behind the cult called Eckankar. Your Eck masters are demons. Fallen angels.

Yes, explain again because you never did. Screenshot and attach if you ever did.

Heck I doubt if you even can because you have serially demonstrated phenomenal levels of lack of comprehension of the Bible for starters not mention teaching it. Like I said, you kind do well in spiritual/religious banditry however.

Now go back and read me again. I am tired of explaining and explaining again to you that God is a King and a Judge. Even a nice human judge can sentence a law breaker to death (depending on the law broken and its severity). Yes, a death sentence is an evil thing. Whenever it happens, do we call the judge an evil judge? Would you call a king an evil king for having banqueting halls and dungeons? Any god that cannot judge the Righteous and the Wicked is not the Creator of this world, I repeat.

You remind me of a friend back in school. If it's about praying funny and noisy prayer, you will think he is Zebrudaya the prophet, but Emeka come and preach, he couldn't quote any scripture.

I also asked you what you personally know about the doctrines or anything else about Eckankar, clearly you don't know any!!!. So from what information are you attacking it? Answer is speculation and lots of ignorance. Yikes!

I'm not here to quote scriptures to you because you don't believe the Bible. If you believe the Bible, you wouldn't be calling the Almighty God the two headed God. For your information, God is not two headed. That's another lie sold to you by Eckankar. God created man in His own image. If man is not two headed who was created in God's image, God cannot be two headed. Everything I've said about Eckankar here are things I picked from your own posts. Do I need to enter your gatherings before I discuss the truth with you?

I never said Eckankar is God. Would you please quote where I said that? It was never so said, neither was it implied. Eckankar draws people to itself on the platform of providing deep insights, knowledgeable and sound philosophy about life. You are asked to buy seemingly knowledge imparting books as an allurement for your inquisitive mind. Everything looks normal and harmless until you get dragged into the metaphysical world where you start relating with spirits of darkness. Once they take over your soul, it becomes almost impossible for you to embrace the truth any more. You're in that state right now. You need a miracle from Jesus to become free again.

Peledonomy:


Well, if Jesus links back to the big man in Gen to malachi, it changes everything.


Look at what John will say after listening to jesus christ. He tries to correct the impression found in Isaiah 45 vs 7.

"He changeth not "

John 1:5-7 KJV
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Refer to the above please.

chieveboy:


"He changeth not "




Refer to the above please.

I never said he changes sir.

If Jesus comes to correct the Impression they had about God, it doesn't mean God changed. I thought you are smart sir.

They had a wrong impression, wrote things based on their impression, and Jesus came to correct them.

He came to show that rather than God killing, he would die for man.

Jesus changes everything they thought they knew about God.

If you don't know this, then you don't know the Bible.

Let's go over some elementary classes.

Peledonomy:



I never said he changes sir.

If Jesus comes to correct the Impression they had about God, it doesn't mean God changed. I thought you are smart sir.

They had a wrong impression, wrote things based on their impression, and Jesus came to correct them.

He came to show that rather than God killing, he would die for man.

Jesus changes everything they thought they knew about God.

If you don't know this, then you don't know the Bible.

Let's go over some elementary classes.

Oh okay, my apologies please. Let me try to be smart then

This means Jesus even came to correct the direct statements God made like in Isaiah 45:7 ?

Because that verse isn't like someone thought or assumed God said he created Evil and Destruction itself... it's written in the First-person tense.

chieveboy:


Oh okay, my apologies please. Let me try to be smart then

This means Jesus even came to correct the direct statements God made like in Isaiah 45:7 ?

Because that verse isn't like someone thought or assumed God said he created Evil and Destruction itself... it's written in the First-person tense.

Oops. There is no hope for you Sir.

Kindly get a refund from all the schools you attended.


Did God write the book of isaiah? Did God use his hands to write those things?


Haba na. Everything in the Bible was documented by men. Men are fallible.

The only infallible personality in the Bible is Jesus.

Even angels are fallible.

The Bible is only true to the degree which it agrees to Jesus.


Jesus corrected Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Job, David, Solomon

Man. The list is endless.

He also upheld the truth in their teachings.

That is why the new testament tilts to the teachings of Jesus.

Infact, the new testament writings explains the old testament in the light of Christ.


So yea. Jesus corrected those statements they made on behalf of God.

So Bro relax. If na Bible u wan learn, I dey for u

Peledonomy:




Oops. There is no hope for you Sir.

Kindly get a refund from all the schools you attended.

Oh, I see you're being impressed with highly intellectual performance .

You're really putting a show I assure you.

Did God write the book of isaiah? Did God use his hands to write those things?


Haba na. Everything in the Bible was documented by men. Men are fallible.

The only infallible personality in the Bible is Jesus.

Even angels are fallible.

The Bible is only true to the degree which it agrees to Jesus.

Wow, I never knew Christians could mention the writers of the bible were fallible.

1: So what of the writers of the the words attributed to Jesus?

2: What assurances do we have that Jesus actually said what he supposedly said and was written by fallible men?

Words like "he will save you from your sin and all that.

3: What does Jesus mean when he said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it?

Keywords: Fullfil and Abolish.

Jesus corrected Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Job, David, Solomon

Man. The list is endless.

He also upheld the truth in their teachings.

That is why the new testament tilts to the teachings of Jesus.

Infact, the new testament writings explains the old testament in the light of Christ.

The 'Fallible' factor applies here, what yardstick are we to use to determine which one is correct and which one was inserted by men.

So yea. Jesus corrected those statements they made on behalf of God.

So Bro relax. If na Bible u wan learn, I dey for u

1: Who or what authority compiled the Bible?

As in who said the holy book of another religion for instance (Judaism's Old Testament) be inserted into the Christian Bible? Because the Bible didn't exist in the time of Jesus.

Who made a list of the books to be compiled and be made the Holy Book of Christians?

chieveboy:


Oh, I see you're being impressed with highly intellectual performance .

You're really putting a show I assure you.



Wow, I never knew Christians could mention the writers of the bible were fallible.

1: So what of the writers of the the words attributed to Jesus?

2: What assurances do we have that Jesus actually said what he supposedly said and was written by fallible men?

Words like "he will save you from your sin and all that.

3: What does Jesus mean when he said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it?

Keywords: Fullfil and Abolish.



The 'Fallible' factor applies here, what yardstick are we to use to determine which one is correct and which one was inserted by men.



1: Who or what authority compiled the Bible?

As in who said the holy book of another religion for instance (Judaism's Old Testament) be inserted into the Christian Bible? Because the Bible didn't exist in the time of Jesus.

Who made a list of the books to be compiled and be made the Holy Book of Christians?

Well sir. I can see that you are ready to learn. Quickly jump to living word media and feed on the numerous messages there. It will clear your doubts.

Eckankar dey play for wia enlightenment dey.

Peledonomy:


Well sir. I can see that you are ready to learn. Quickly jump to living word media and feed on the numerous messages there. It will clear your doubts.

Eckankar dey play for wia enlightenment dey.

Yea, I expected a retreat.

chieveboy:


Yea, I expected a retreat.

I expected this exact response. It means you are hungry for more of what I have. Living word media is there to satisfy your hunger.

Back then in school, I knew this eckist. I wasn't spiritually aware like I am today.

I s
Always listened to him because he sounded so true and genuine. After a while, I left for 6 months I. T.


One guy came to preach to me and I was giving him the eckankar vibes. The little I knew then, just like you are doing now. I was trying to enlighten him. After 30 minutes of listening to the guy, I knew he had something superior. He introduced me to living word media.


Came back hot on fire after listening to living word media daily for 6 months.

The eckankar guy was now the one seeking enlightenment from me.

Oga. If you know what you have is superior, just jump on that site.

You go know say enlightenment no dey eckankar.

Living word media. Org

If you want a debate, I can give you one. We make it official.

I'm glad to take you or grail adherents or anyone on. I will bring down the high places of so called enlightenment.

Peledonomy:


I expected this exact response. It means you are hungry for more of what I have. Living word media is there to satisfy your hunger.

Back then in school, I knew this eckist. I wasn't spiritually aware like I am today.

I s
Always listened to him because he sounded so true and genuine. After a while, I left for 6 months I. T.


One guy came to preach to me and I was giving him the eckankar vibes. The little I knew then, just like you are doing now. I was trying to enlighten him. After 30 minutes of listening to the guy, I knew he had something superior. He introduced me to living word media.


Came back hot on fire after listening to living word media daily for 6 months.

The eckankar guy was now the one seeking enlightenment from me.

Oga. If you know what you have is superior, just jump on that site.

You go know say enlightenment no dey eckankar.

Living word media. Org

Hungry ?? Yuck!

You certainly are disconnected...

chieveboy:


Hungry ?? Yuck!

You certainly are disconnected...

You've gotta confess. You couldn't poke me like you did the other guys. No wonder you're resorting to these stale tricks.

Continue with your tomfoolery. I ain't responding anymore. I dey find money. Do you or your grandmasters have any one for me?

Peledonomy:




You've gotta confess. You couldn't poke me like you did the other guys. No wonder you're resorting to these stale tricks.

Continue with your tomfoolery. I ain't responding anymore. I dey find money. Do you or your grandmasters have any one for me?

Poke what really

You actually performed worse man!!!

You threw the whole gospel into the gutters and you are jubilating .

You said the first testament was written by people who didn't get it or made mistakes so Jesus has to come and correct whatever was said or done wrong. Fine.

You forgot that Jesus never wrote even a single comma in the new testament by himsaelf, it was fallible men who wrote it.

Fallible men who couldn't at a point write the events of Jesus correctly or agree on what actually transpired.

The big question you didn't answer is if the men who wrote the new testament where dipped in special oil to keep them from making same mistakes of their predecessors.

If that happened, we will ask you how come the gospel of Mr A and Mr B regarding same event came out different.

This is not even going to answering who asked who to compile the Holy books of Judaism and combine it with notes from Paul et all to make a new book from as an official Christian book

chieveboy:


Poke what really

You actually performed worse man!!!

You threw the whole gospel into the gutters and you are jubilating .

You said the first testament was written by people who didn't get it or made mistakes so Jesus has to come and correct whatever was said or done wrong. Fine.

You forgot that Jesus never wrote even a single comma in the new testament by himsaelf, it was fallible men who wrote it.

Fallible men who couldn't at a point write the events of Jesus correctly or agree on what actually transpired.

The big question you didn't answer is if the men who wrote the new testament where dipped in special oil to keep them from making same mistakes of their predecessors.

If that happened, we will ask you how come the gospel of Mr A and Mr B regarding same event came out different.

This is not even going to answering who asked who to compile the Holy books of Judaism and combine it with notes from Paul et all to make a new book from as an official Christian book

You still don't see it yet?

I've never met anyone so dumb in eckankar. Your grand master must be thinking of ways to discipline you for this disgraceful comment.

Your questions are prove that you want to know about Christianity. You were never a part of Christ Embassy man. I'm not their member, but I have to assume that even they could have provided you with such easy and simple answers.


Take me for example. I have not asked anything about eckankar because I know its rubbish. It's dung..

You keep asking questions about Christianity because you want to know more. You are clearly hungry and I have pointed you to where you can have food.


Humble yourself and I will teach you.

Peledonomy:


You still don't see it yet?

I see where you pasted a link to an external resource. I didn't see where you provided answer to wether the men who wrote the new testament are not as fallible as the ones who wrote the old one.

I've never met anyone so dumb in eckankar. Your grand master must be thinking of ways to discipline you for this disgraceful comment.

Now you're talking...

This is what you should have done since, and you were wasting your time trying to be who you are not

Your questions are prove that you want to know about Christianity. You were never a part of Christ Embassy man. I'm not their member, but I have to assume that even they could have provided you with such easy and simple answers.

And since you didn't have answers, why waste time trying to give one?

Take me for example. I have not asked anything about eckankar because I know its rubbish. It's dung..

Lmao
Okay I won't ask you tough questions again

You keep asking questions about Christianity because you want to know more. You are clearly hungry and I have pointed you to where you can have food.

Okay i will go and get answers there. I will tell him you said the writers of the old testament didn't know what they were doing, Jesus came and corrected their nonsense when another set of men jotted down what Jesus said.

Humble yourself

For sure now

Serious humility for your wisdom and knowledge that stretched from the south-east to Namibia .

I will teach you.

Is it not you again ? The greatest teacher alive.

You will be the one to teach me, but it's the guy at Living word media that will do the talking . Baddesss

chieveboy:


I see where you pasted a link to an external resource. I didn't see where you provided answer to wether the men who wrote the new testament are not as fallible as the ones who wrote the old one.



Now you're talking...

This is what you should have done since, and you were wasting your time trying to be who you are not




And since you didn't have answers, why waste time trying to give one?



Lmao
Okay I won't ask you tough questions again



Okay i will go and get answers there. I will tell him you said the writers of the old testament didn't know what they were doing, Jesus came and corrected their nonsense when another set of men jotted down what Jesus said.



For sure now

Serious humility for your wisdom and knowledge that stretched from the south-east to Namibia .



Is it not you again ? The greatest teacher alive.

You will be the one to teach me, but it's the guy at Living word media that will do the talking . Baddesss

E pain am

chieveboy:


Thank you bro

Good day brother, please can u drop me a msg (ur nairaland moniker) to my email, i want to discuss something with u sir or drop me ur email here. my email is realbrothersfoundation@gmail.com thanks.

sgtponzihater1:
The God of the Jews is the only God there is, all other Gods are the figment of human imagination. Any believe that seeks to elevate man beyond being a creature is of the devil.

There is only one creator and God, we as humans are His subject and creation.

Trampling God under foot in a quest for higher power walking on a slippery slope.

I see.

Doesn't him being a sectarian deity provides the grounds for other deities for other sects or tribes?

How can I join eck... When I join will I be able to know why I'm in my current state And how to improve it? Tired of being deceived by some spiritualist(Pastors, Alfas and traditionalist)

hoduntz:
How can I join eck... When I join will I be able to know why I'm in my current state And how to improve it? Tired of being deceived by some spiritualist(Pastors, Alfas and traditionalist)

Hello, you can talk to this contact about joining +234 803 309 4909

Getting to know what troubles you is not tied to you joining Eckankar however.

Eckankar simply gives you the tools to contact the voice of God-the Holy Spirit which helps you understand how your condition came about and how you can undo it.

As usual, they gove you the most powerful tool the first time which is singing of the HU sound with all the reverence and live for God or Goodness if you don't believe in God.

It is pronounced like the word "Hue" in a long drawn manner. Do this for 30 minutes max daily. You will see that heaven is within you indeed.

For more details, visit www.eckankar.org.

Blessings be!

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