advanceDNA:


Ur point??

What is good for the North is also good for the South.

Kukutente23:

For your 1 above, you are beginning to get confused. The expression "When in Rome behave like Romans" applies to non-Romans and not citizens of Rome. Your analogy is like saying to a Nigerian to behave like one when in Nigeria. How does that make sense when he is already Nigerian? Like I said before, you just keep shifting everywhere with offpoints.

The expression " when u are in Rome, behave like Romans," is for both outsider visiting a place and also the usual resident...u don't have to agree though...thats one problem with you, u want me to agree with you...a healthy dialogue doesnt have to mean agreeing with all u say.....

Kukutente23:

For your no. 2, if we are to go by your logic, any law existing will never be changed since everyone is expected to abide by the laws without question.

I never said laws can't be changed.....I only said there are better ways to raise ur voice than removing hijab and showing cleavage in a country where the law doesn't even favour you , not even powerful nations will support u..

Kukutente23:

MLK, Tubman, Malcom X and a host of others defied racial segregation laws in the US and it was their protests and rallies that eventually led to the abrogation of such laws. Iranian women protesting against use of hijab of which this woman is among is in same class.

Are protest and rallies breaking the law in the US where Malcom lived...??
I told u earlier ....there are better ways to protest....but u do selective reading because all u want to do is accuse me....

Kukutente23:

If you feel the women are wrong and forming woke to protest against forceful use of hijab, then you should also accept that MLK and co were wrong to rail against racism.

Sigh....She was protesting by snapping cleavage and no hijab pics and uploading it online in iran.. Yeah.. that's a good protest... . Please tell me what laws the Malcom broke while protesting?

Kukutente23:

You can't say until the laws are changed everyone is expected to comply and still think MLK and co were right to protest against unjust laws.

Like I said there are better ways to disagree against the laws of where u live?? If u can't get that, then I cannot help you....

Kukutente23:

Be informed that Iranian women have been protesting against forceful usage of hijab for a while and their stand is that hijab usage is not meant to be forceful or compulsory under sharia edict. The oppressive men who are forcing them to comply are those you are supporting with your illogical application of when in Rome behave like Romans.

So the government didn't enforce it ...but some pple are just oppressing women... ?? Dude..the leader of Iran refused to be interviewed by Christina amanpour just because she didn't use Hijab despite the interview is outside iran.. yet u are here saying its just oppressive men enforcing hijab use... ....okay...opinion is free...

Kukutente23:

Like I said, it should be across board. When the Shah is going to New York, he should wear a suit since he is going to America and should behave like Americans.

Exactly....but u are just viewing wrongly because in America suit is not the dress code.... liberality in dressing is allowed as long as u are not completely núde... there are no strict dressing guide...everyone dresses how they want include the use of hijab if u like........if America bans hijab use ..then no Muslims can go and do anyhow in america...

Wait ..Why are u crying for america that has not banned liberal dressing??
Take this Unrelated example...Hope u know there are no Muslims holidays in the UK, Ireland and co. despite there is freedom of religion expression. .... It's the law...and I've not seen any Muslim protesting by breaking laws... They are raising their concerns through the parliament....

jamesversion:


What is good for the North is also good for the South.

U are just capping....
The south is dulling ..it should introduce laws too.... In the US laws are not the same across board....what legal in Ohio can be illegal in San Francisco....

advanceDNA:


What are u saying?? iran is an Islamic state..100% governed by Islam laws

So non nigerians can break Nigerian law when they enter our country ??

this is wickedness. People like you will be claiming democracy when it didn't favour. Why must you force a Christian to wear hijab? Next you guys will start forcing everyone to go to mosque.

😈 Devil + Evil Country

advanceDNA:


I just told u Iran is a full Islamic state yet u don't understand that they don't run democracy or free state law, where citizens have a level of freedom to do as they please

..... Do u even know what law means.....

...Even in Nigeria where there is democracy...u can't go to some.parts of the north where shariah is fully constitutional and not wear hijab or u mistakenly wear mini skirt...

See ..I don't dialogue with low IQ people..

It's nauseating....

all Islamic countries are practicing dictatorship but they will be first to claim human rights ones they reach Europe or US

asanausana91:
this is wickedness. People like you will be claiming democracy when it didn't favour. Why must you force a Christian to wear hijab? Next you guys will start forcing everyone to go to mosque.

Yes it is wickedness...
If u heard a gay man received 40 strokes of the cain in Iran for being gay...u will say it's the law of the land..why is he practicing his gay shiit in a place like that?? Abi??...

It's barbaric to jail someone for 14 years because they fvck men....(but I know u agree because we all don't like pple fvcking shît inside yansh its nigerian law naaaa)

Law na law....we only scream when we don't like it....and praise it when we support it.... I am not a Muslim ....but law is law until it's over turned

Religion of pieces.........

asanausana91:
all Islamic countries are practicing dictatorship but they will be first to claim human rights ones they reach Europe or US

Yeah ..when US and Europe refused to bring up strict laws against them.....
If u claim u are liberal u can't also be strict..... France is paying heavily for opening their borders to them...

biblia1:



Christians with ignorant about their religion...........#ignoramus

illiterates like you are supposed to be killed at birth.
Do you know the meaning of FREEDOM?

Imagine how peaceful is this world if the demonic religion called Islam does not exist.

Meaning that the status quo of women rights abuse stands? Na wa o
Ain't there other ways of punishing the offender without inflicting bodily harm on the person?
I no understand una o

advanceDNA:


U cannot read properly.... Try not to lose context next time


When Christina amanpour and many other journalist go to Iran, Afghanistan, etc they don't make mistake of not using their hijab.... So why are the residents flouting the rules of the caliphate??
When u are in Rome...be have like Romans..
.

mbaise1000:


But they said this woman is not a muslim, why force her to live the muslim way?

"When in Rome do as the Romans do." .... she is Iranian ... lives there ... knows the rules .... and the consequences. Take your gf wearing mini skirt and tube top to certain parts here in Nigeria and see what happens.

CJStarz:

Meaning that the status quo of women rights abuse stands? Na wa o
Ain't there other ways of punishing the offender without inflicting bodily harm on the person?
I no understand una o

u can jump into wateva conclusions u like ..

About the type of punishment....I don't know how they came up with flogging or 2 years in prison.... But u know Nigeria also has 14 years in prison for gay pple....(and I know u are probably not frowning at it because u probably don't like shît fvckers)

Good for them. Same people will escape to west and still help Islam to say free palatines.

mbaise1000:


But they said this woman is not a muslim, why force her to live the muslim way?

You must wear o whether you belong or not. There is this Nigeria guy that got a job in one of these Arab countries. He moved there and later relocated his wife to join him.

They are not Muslims but the wife now dress like them. She said that's the law. If they catch you not covering your head as a woman, na gbese.

So, in essence it has nothing to do with whether you are a Muslim or not. As far as you are a woman, you must wear hijab and cover your head.

She doesn't dress like that when she was in Nigeria. But to obey the laws of the land and not to put her husband who is a Doctor into trouble over there, she has to follow the rules and law as a wife of an immigrant.

advanceDNA:


The expression " when u are in Rome, behave like Romans," is for both outsider visiting a place and also the usual resident...u don't have to agree though...thats one problem with you, u want me to agree with you...a healthy dialogue doesnt have to mean agreeing with all u say.....

Learn to get the right info on things before making claims. Check the screenshot below to see the origin and intention of the expression. It refers to visitors alone and it's even clear from the expression of you have a good understanding of English.

I never said laws can't be changed.....I only said there are better ways to raise ur voice than removing hijab and showing cleavage in a country where the law doesn't even favour you , not even powerful nations will support u..


Are protest and rallies breaking the law in the US where Malcom lived...??
I told u earlier ....there are better ways to protest....but u do selective reading because all u want to do is accuse me....


Sigh....She was protesting by snapping cleavage and no hijab pics and uploading it online in iran.. Yeah.. that's a good protest... . Please tell me what laws the Malcom broke while protesting?


Like I said there are better ways to disagree against the laws of where u live?? If u can't get that, then I cannot help you....

It is obvious you're not familiar with MLK and the struggle. He was arrested countless times one of which was refusing to leave their seats for a white man at store.

So the government didn't enforce it ...but some pple are just oppressing women... ?? Dude..the leader of Iran refused to be interviewed by Christina amanpour just because she didn't use Hijab despite the interview is outside iran.. yet u are here saying its just oppressive men enforcing hijab use... ....okay...opinion is free...

let's now apply your do as the Romans do principle to the leader of Iran. Why will he want Amanpour to wear a veil outside iran? Is wearing veil a requirement in New York? You see how you are defending wrong things now? Shouldn't you call the Iranian supreme leader out for trying to force his beliefs on a woman in foreign soil?

Exactly....but u are just viewing wrongly because in America suit is not the dress code.... liberality in dressing is allowed as long as u are not completely núde... there are no strict dressing guide...everyone dresses how they want include the use of hijab if u like........if America bans hijab use ..then no Muslims can go and do anyhow in america...

America does not allow symbols of religion in public institutions and buildings but Muslims have been agitating to be allowed to wear their hijab to schools, hospitals and stadia. How does that sound?

Wait ..Why are u crying for america that has not banned liberal dressing??
Take this Unrelated example...Hope u know there are no Muslims holidays in the UK, Ireland and co. despite there is freedom of religion expression. .... It's the law...and I've not seen any Muslim protesting by breaking laws... They are raising their concerns through the parliament....

Is there any provision for "raising concern through Parliament " in iran? We all saw pro-palestinian protests in UK how loud and large it was. Its it possible for Jews and Christians in Iran to also organise protests in Iran?

How come Muslims can protest in non- Muslim countries but non- Muslim can't protest in Muslim countries?

You see the hypocrisy you're defending now? They take advantage of systems they don't allow in countries they control and you're here saying it's OK.

Aliyu333:
I am a muslim and this is disgusting extremist practice by IRAN once again. Where did they see this punishment they are implementing?. Do they implement the same extreme theocratic policies to men for dressing less?. This is absolute rubish, it is her choice. You can't force her to put on a hijab. NONSENSE

If you dey really vex ... you would have been an exmudslime by now.

advanceDNA:


Yes it is wickedness...
If u heard a gay man received 40 strokes of the cain in Iran for being gay...u will say it's the law of the land..why is he practicing his gay shiit in a place like that?? Abi??...

It's barbaric to jail someone for 14 years because they fvck men....(but I know u agree because we all don't like pple fvcking shît inside yansh its nigerian law naaaa)

Law na law....we only scream when we don't like it....and praise it when we support it.... I am not a Muslim ....but law is law until it's over turned

You just keep mixing things up.
Law is not law. There are bad laws and there are good laws. Laws need to be tested to know if they are good or bad. If they are bad, they need to be done away with. A law that says keep women in sacks because their faces can make a man miss his way is a bad law. There's no difference between that law and racial discrimination. It is totally different from sexuality laws which at best are based on sexual preference (which is a choice) or perversion at worst.
Stop mixing things up. You're not making sense

HeroicMeastro:

I can't even understand what you are writing here. So many blunders! Can you just write in your local language next time?

It will be asking for too much to expect a block head to understand what needs brains to understand, the white man actually said that to hide something you don't want a certain one to see, hide it inside a book

gaskiyamagana:

Wether you like it or not, that is their law, woman must wear hijab. Any woman who is not ready to do so should go to America or England and open hair or head uncovered.

and muslims are rushing to America and Europe in droves and calling America the great satan, so you want to dine with the satan

nonhuman:
it's obvious you are dunce you don't how government runs or the meaning of government, the constitution of the country says you must wear hijab if you are woman, if you don't you have committed a crime, what don't you understand forget about the religion now so you can understand it

Aren't you the dunce here? If you are a little more intelligent, you would have at least picked one of the points I raised and explained it but that will be asking for too much, what i expect you to do will need brains but apparently, you don't seem to have any And yet you call others dunce?

biblia1:



Christians with ignorant about their religion...........#ignoramus

You don't love THOSE pictures but you are ready to wear a suicide belt and kill yourself and others to gain 72 harlots in the islamic paradise where mohamad reigns?

Kukutente23:

You just keep mixing things up.
Law is not law. There are bad laws and there are good laws. Laws need to be tested to know if they are good or bad. If they are bad, they need to be done away with. A law that says keep women in sacks because their faces can make a man miss his way is a bad law. There's no difference between that law and racial discrimination. It is totally different from sexuality laws which at best are based on sexual preference (which is a choice) or perversion at worst.
Stop mixing things up. You're not making sense

I didn't mention u...u jump into a conversation between me and someone else and u are saying I'm mixing things up....please if u can't read to get my context....but only want to accuse based on ur perception or western view of right and wrong.....please fvck the hell off

Kukutente23:

Learn to get the right info on things before making claims. Check the screenshot below to see the origin and intention of the expression. It refers to visitors alone and it's even clear from the expression of you have a good understanding of English.


It is obvious you're not familiar with MLK and the struggle. He was arrested countless times one of which was refusing to leave their seats for a white man at store.

let's now apply your do as the Romans do principle to the leader of Iran. Why will he want Amanpour to wear a veil outside iran? Is wearing veil a requirement in New York? You see how you are defending wrong things now? Shouldn't you call the Iranian supreme leader out for trying to force his beliefs on a woman in foreign soil?



America does not allow symbols of religion in public institutions and buildings but Muslims have been agitating to be allowed to wear their hijab to schools, hospitals and stadia. How does that sound?


Is there any provision for "raising concern through Parliament " in iran? We all saw pro-palestinian protests in UK how loud and large it was. Its it possible for Jews and Christians in Iran to also organise protests in Iran?

How come Muslims can protest in non- Muslim countries but non- Muslim can't protest in Muslim countries?

You see the hypocrisy you're defending now? They take advantage of systems they don't allow in countries they control and you're here saying it's OK.

Wait let me get u cos I dont.... does Iran as a nation have the right to have laws on dressing ??

I don't know why some people don't get it. They always condemn whatever any Islamic does. Where ever you find yourself, follow ghe law of the land. Worst still, she's an Iranian. She understands the law.

advanceDNA:


Wait let me get u cos I dont.... does Iran as a nation have the right to have laws on dressing ??

Iran as a nation has the right to make laws but the laws should be across board. You cannot make laws to restrict a certain section of society and call it a just law. Before God and man, such laws are unjust. Why should wearing of veil only apply to the women? Why is there no law regulating the dressing of men? What the law is saying is that men are freer than women which is also one of the hallmarks of racial laws. I really don't know why an African will be supporting such laws though. In African societies before colonialism, women were free to wear what they wish. However, they also suffered some restrictions such as a virgin should not be seen walking about during some cult festivals lest she be used as sacrifice. Also, some cultures encourage the usage of hunchbacks as sacrifice too while some prohibited giving birth to twins. I'm sure you will have no problem with calling these laws unjust but you are here to defend Iranian men putting their women in sacks based on some medieval laws. An unjust law has no business existing especially in this age of enlightenment of mankind. You need to be aware of that. That's what Iranian women are fighting for and you need to understand that and respect that instead of being on the side of their oppressors.

mbaise1000:

It will be asking for too much to expect a block head to understand what needs brains to understand, the white man actually said that to hide something you don't want a certain one to see, hide it inside a book

My God!!
English don die for this one hand 😂
Oga, it is not by force. Write in your local language, simple!!

advanceDNA:


I didn't mention u...u jump into a conversation between me and someone else and u are saying I'm mixing things up....please if u can't read to get my context....but only want to accuse based on ur perception or western view of right and wrong.....please fvck the hell off

You need to calm down
You are the one who has been making claims in defense of the oppressors on this thread from the first page. You have quoted a lot of people and you have been quoted too. The point I'm making is you should first learn and understand issues before you start defending. You want to adopt pragmatism to defend something that is clearly wrong. You first started from making a meaningless claim of doing as Romans do. When that has been trashed and you have been well enlightened as to the paucity of that claim, you have shifted to the law is the law. All these in a bid to defend Iranian oppressive regime who have failed to identify their women as important members of society. I don't know you but I want to believe you will not want your daughter to grow in a society where a bunch of perverted men will decide for her little things as what she wears not to even mention what she makes do with her life.
That is what you are unwittingly supporting in Iran. The lady flogged is an Iranian citizen who wants to have the right to decide something routine as what she wears. Can you explain why you think she should not have the right to make that simple decision?

Kukutente23:

Iran as a nation has the right to make laws but the laws should be across board. You cannot make laws to restrict a certain section of society and call it a just law. Before God and man, such laws are unjust. Why should wearing of veil only apply to the women? Why is there no law regulating the dressing of men? What the law is saying is that men are freer than women which is also one of the hallmarks of racial laws. I really don't know why an African will be supporting such laws though. In African societies before colonialism, women were free to wear what they wish. However, they also suffered some restrictions such as a virgin should not be seen walking about during some cult festivals lest she be used as sacrifice. Also, some cultures encourage the usage of hunchbacks as sacrifice too while some prohibited giving birth to twins. I'm sure you will have no problem with calling these laws unjust but you are here to defend Iranian men putting their women in sacks based on some medieval laws. An unjust law has no business existing especially in this age of enlightenment of mankind. You need to be aware of that. That's what Iranian women are fighting for and you need to understand that and respect that instead of being on the side of their oppressors.

...na simple question I ask you..and u are already assuming context....answering what I didn't ask you....

All u have here is judging a nation's law based on another nation's standard....

In the UK.....men pay more for insurance and driver's licence than women..it's the law...is it not biased against men...?? They have their reasons for enacting such law ..


U said one law is bad ..one law is good...who is the judge of bad and good?

Bad or good is relative ...I hope u know??
Is LGBT laws good...promoting chemicalizing children/minors with puberty blockers,??

Is it a good law for Nigerian to jail same sex offenders for 14 years??

Is capital punishment/death penalty good?? Should any state have the right to kill anyone??

Since u are forming the judge of good law and bad laws....please let us know is good for someone to be able to wake up and claim male today and female tomorrow.??

Do u think Iran made their laws just to be wicked?? Bros there are justification for every law in every state .....no state makes its law as a bad law...u are just an asslicker of thr west.


... At the end of the day ....u don't have the right to tag someone's law as good or bad because u don't agree...... Wether it's hijab laws or LGBT laws...

Laws evolve...I did laws and ethics one one of my courses....and the fact is laws are never black and white.......they are sometimes established because of current situation of things, because of people, culture, location, behavioral paternity in a location......... So don't come trying to claim high and mighty to be the judge of what's right and wrong....

Religion of sorrow!

Kukutente23:

Can you explain why you think she should not have the right to make that simple decision?

The reason why she should obey the law of her land until it changes which is a law on modest dressing is the same reasons gay men and women can't marry in Nigeria...and they have to obey..

It's the same reason divorce is not allowed in the Philippines by law ..u marry u die there.