Considering the enormous death toll in Gaza,what alternative military strategy should the Isreali have used in order to disarm Hamas ...
Considering the gaza is very densely populated.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...
It is very difficult to fight urban warfare with civilians, especially in such a packed place like Gaza...
My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

The situation is clear. Israel arrogantly set for itself an impossible tasks right from the beginning. It has failed and it is now in the process of withdrawing from Gaza. The invasion was bound to fail from the get go. It has not achieved its intended strategic objectives in the invasion.

Hamas remains strong, no Israeli hostages have been freed, rather it killed its own hostages, and casualties on the Israeli side are increasing. The continuous rocket attacks from Hamas persist, and Israel has lost global support, facing heightened animosity. Currently, Israel is actively seeking a solution out of the bottomless pit it digs for itself in Gaza. There is no military solution for the situation in that region, Israel's adversary have become stronger and have the ability to fight back. It is time Israel get off its high horse and embrace a political solution to the Palestinian question.

No need to advise the Israelis, they do not listen to anybody except to their so-called prophecies.
Let them read the Book of Proverbs if they want to be WISE.

Minsk24:
.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...

Israel could have declared their state a false anglo-saxon made state.

Dandal:
The situation is clear. Israel arrogantly set for itself an impossible tasks right from the beginning. It has failed and it is now in the process of withdrawing from Gaza. The invasion was bound to fail from the get go. It has not achieved its intended strategic objectives in the invasion.

Hamas remains strong, no Israeli hostages have been freed, rather it killed its own hostages, and casualties on the Israeli side are increasing. The continuous rocket attacks from Hamas persist, and Israel has lost global support, facing heightened animosity. Currently, Israel is actively seeking a solution out of the bottomless pit it digs for itself in Gaza. There is no military solution for the situation in that region, Israel's adversary have become stronger and have the ability to fight back. It is time Israel get off its high horse and embrace a political solution to the Palestinian question.

I wonder where you are getting your news from....
Isreal has achieved military control of Northern Gaza and is now moving towards the Central part...the aim of the military operations is to disarm Hamas...
I agree they must achieve a political solution, but it helps when u have the higher ground on the negotiating table...

Minsk24:


My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

How about avoiding the war in the first place by ending the Gaza blockade that has been on for 17 years...this is the root cause of the problem.

The fact is Israel only acted in RAGE and was not strategic. Who wouldn't react with what Hamas did but the mad rage and collective punishment rubbished any claim Israel has to right to self defence.

I know they fight every now and then but of recent there have been genuine moves towards peace on both sides spearheaded by US. But since last year when Bibi and his right wing coalition came to power...there have been fears a war is imminent.
Why?
The far right are for annihilation of Gaza, they want Gaza reoccupied, they want increases in settlement expansion, in short if they have their way Gaza will be a beach resort....and they have not disappointed..

Difrent:


How about avoiding the war in the first place by ending the Gaza blockade that has been on for 17 years...this is the root cause of the problem.

The fact is Israel only acted in RAGE and was not strategic. Who wouldn't react with what Hamas did but the mad rage and collective punishment rubbished any claim Israel has to right to self defence.

I know they fight every now and then but of recent there have been genuine moves towards peace on both sides spearheaded by US. But since last year when Bibi and his right wing coalition came to power...there have been fears a war is imminent.
Why?
The far right are for annihilation of Gaza, they want Gaza reoccupied, they want increases in settlement expansion, in short if they have their way Gaza will be a beach resort....and they have not disappointed..

Yes that's understandable, the situation in gaza is pathetic and the current government in Israel makes things worse ...
The purpose of the thread is to analyze if there would have been any alternative to the high intensity warfare wager by Israel...
Personally i do not see any alternative, that's why i asked on here if someone can educate me on another strategy....

Minsk24:
Considering the enormous death toll in Gaza,what alternative military strategy should the Isreali have used in order to disarm Hamas ...
Considering the gaza is very densely populated.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...
It is very difficult to fight urban warfare with civilians, especially in such a packed place like Gaza...
My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

Have they disarmed the terrorist or hurt their capacity to attach again? NO. (Pro-Israeli media said this)

Have they kill civilians ? YEs

Strategy? The US and Russia (still on it) fought urban wars and reduced civilian casualties a whole lot by using two separate methods.

sunboy:


Have they disarmed the terrorist or hurt their capacity to attach again? NO. (Pro-Israeli media said this)

Have they kill civilians ? YEs

Strategy? The US and Russia (still on it) fought urban wars and reduced civilian casualties a whole lot by using two separate methods.

What methods are u talking about, please share ..
Russia employed similar strategy against Ukraine, it pounded many cities with artillery,citizens fleee, troops move in...makes the job easier

Minsk24:
Considering the enormous death toll in Gaza,what alternative military strategy should the Isreali have used in order to disarm Hamas ...
Considering the gaza is very densely populated.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...
It is very difficult to fight urban warfare with civilians, especially in such a packed place like Gaza...
My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

Asking these means you acknowledge within you that Israel is carrying a deliberate and targeted killing of civilians.

rottennaija:


Asking these means you acknowledge within you that Israel is carrying a deliberate and targeted killing of civilians.

Yes it is very deliberate, that is what is obtainable in war .. I'm just wanting to know if there could have been alternative method

Minsk24:
Considering the enormous death toll in Gaza,what alternative military strategy should the Isreali have used in order to disarm Hamas ...
Considering the gaza is very densely populated.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...
It is very difficult to fight urban warfare with civilians, especially in such a packed place like Gaza...
My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

Why Russia no pound Ukraine first? I'm sure if it was Russia that did half of what Israel is doing in Gaza, the entire western world will be making noise all over the place.


When russia moved into ukraine , automatically civilians fled, all russia did was point the directions to corridors where civilians should flee to, or you relocate those you can relocate to safe areas. ..russia is using precise an accurre munitions so that they can minimize civilian casualties.

Israel is not doing any of this. How can you be using dumb bombs in areas where you have large civilian population? Everything isreal is doing in gaza is deliberate. Theres no plan, they dont care about civilian casualties as long as they ger one or 2 hamas members.

Or can anyone explain how israel/hamas war of less than a year already has more civilian killings than russia/ukraine war of 2years?

Israel is following USA's pattern of warfare. Zero regards for civilians which involves indiscriminate Missile bombing of everything before ground troops come in. Usa did in Iraq, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Syria, japa . etc

Minsk24:


Yes that's understandable, the situation in gaza is pathetic and the current government in Israel makes things worse ...
The purpose of the thread is to analyze if there would have been any alternative to the high intensity warfare wager by Israel...
Personally i do not see any alternative, that's why i asked on here if someone can educate me on another strategy....

Honestly Israel has very few options especially when enraged. But look at what it's doing in Lebanon...... Precision targeting of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists ..... It could do that in Gaza too (some of the strikes of Gaza are actually targeted ) no the blanket bombing of everybody everywhere...... That's wrong and Israel risk getting strategically defeated by Hamas if it continues like this because support is drying up and everyone knows that if not for airpower Israel can't face Hamas in street battles on its own home front and succeed ....if not this war would have been long over

Minsk24:

Yes it is very deliberate, that is what is obtainable in war .. I'm just wanting to know if there could have been alternative method

Yes there is. Leave people's land. Stopping making Gaza an open air prison. Leave the west bank. As long as Israel continue to occupy, steal and subjugate the Palestinians, they will fight till they all die.

Minsk24:

Personally i do not see any alternative, that's why i asked on here if someone can educate me on another strategy....

Israel could have declared their state a false anglo-saxon made state

Jovi10:




Why Russia no pound Ukraine first? I'm sure if it was Russia that did half of what Israel is doing in Gaza, the entire western world will be making noise all over the place.


When russia moved into ukraine , automatically civilians fled, all russia did was point the directions to corridors where civilians should flee to, or you relocate those you can relocate to safe areas. ..russia is using precise an accurre munitions so that they can minimize civilian casualties.

Israel is not doing any of this. How can you be using dumb bombs in areas where you have large civilian population? Everything isreal is doing in gaza is deliberate. Theres no plan, they dont care about civilian casualties as long as they ger one or 2 hamas members.

Or can anyone explain how israel/hamas war of less than a year already has more civilian killings than russia/ukraine war of 2years?

Israel is following USA's pattern of warfare. Zero regards for civilians which involves indiscriminate Missile bombing of everything before ground troops come in. Usa did in Iraq, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Syria, japa . etc

Russia did the same thing in Ukraine, do some research before regurgitating propaganda...
Russia pounded Ukraine before moving in, a good example was mariupol...
And important to note that Gaza is densely populated compared to Ukraine that has huge landmass....with big landmass comes with a reduced death toll compared to pounding a small area packed with huge population...
Please what did USA do in Yemen and Syria, i cannot recall any significant military intervention in these countries on the scale we are talking about here, please educate me sir

Difrent:


Honestly Israel has very few options especially when enraged. But look at what it's doing in Lebanon...... Precision targeting of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists ..... It could do that in Gaza too (some of the strikes of Gaza are actually targeted ) no the blanket bombing of everybody everywhere...... That's wrong and Israel risk getting strategically defeated by Hamas if it continues like this because support is drying up and everyone knows that if not for airpower Israel can't face Hamas in street battles on its own home front and succeed ....if not this war would have been long over

I understand ur point, but the two situations are not the same...if isreal were to invade south Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, it would employ a different strategy...
Isreal risks loosing support, i agree with you... only time will tell what the outcome is....

Somilat:


Israel could have declared their state a false anglo-saxon made state

Please expand on your suggestions, i do not understand....

rottennaija:


Yes there is. Leave people's land. Stopping making Gaza an open air prison. Leave the west bank. As long as Israel continue to occupy, steal and subjugate the Palestinians, they will fight till they all die.

The strong will always dominate the weak... morality is not in question when talking about geo-politics
Your last point is noteworthy, only a political situation will tame the crises....
Personally i dont see isreal ceding the West Bank, it is strategic for isreal security to control West bank compared to gaza....

The war is an unwinnable war to begin with, obviously they lack adequate intelligence on Hamas.
Just like Vietnam war, fighters has gone underground while they were busy doing area bombardements.
Ground invasion put them at great disadvantage because their soldiers were wasted away on the ground.
They could have dealt with Hamas in a strategic and precise way, now they loose international support, they couldn’t defeat Hamas. They won more enemies among the Gazans, because obviously those whose families were killed will automatically join Hamas

Minsk24:
Considering the enormous death toll in Gaza,what alternative military strategy should the Isreali have used in order to disarm Hamas ...
Considering the gaza is very densely populated.... normally in war situations like this, u pound the area to ensure civilians flee, making it easier for your troops to engage the enemy...
It is very difficult to fight urban warfare with civilians, especially in such a packed place like Gaza...
My question to geo-political experts on NL, could there have been an alternative strategy by Israel?

Israel is carrying on with the war in the best possible way. No better alternative. Most of those who died are Hamas terrorists and their sympathizers.

Before the Israel's ground invasion into Gaza two months ago, civilians were severally warned to flee northern and central Gaza. They were warned through fliers, calls and SMS. Those who are civilians are presently in southern city of Rafah. Therefore, anybody seen in the North part of Gaza should be shot at sight.

Minsk24:

What methods are u talking about, please share ..
Russia employed similar strategy against Ukraine, it pounded many cities with artillery,citizens fleee, troops move in...makes the job easier

Russians mostly pounded military installations, ofcourse there’s minimal civilian casualties and all every civilian casualty is covered by western and Ukrainian media, and as we all know it’s been nothing close to this Israeli’s situation even though the Isreali war is only about 2 months old.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, US did acknowledged some civilian casualties, and medias from West and East reported it too. Over 2 decades of that war, the civilian casualty no reach this isreali own.

See why many of us see it as ethnic cleansing ? Or genocide When the Hamas they are fighting are still capable to hit them again.

Are they fighting Hamas or the civilian population

sunboy:


Russians mostly pounded military installations, ofcourse there’s minimal civilian casualties and all every civilian casualty is covered by western and Ukrainian media, and as we all know it’s been nothing close to this Israeli’s situation even though the Isreali war is only about 2 months old.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, US did acknowledged some civilian casualties, and medias from West and East reported it too. Over 2 decades of that war, the civilian casualty no reach this isreali own.

See why many of us see it as ethnic cleansing ? Or genocide When the Hamas they are fighting are still capable to hit them again.

Are they fighting Hamas or the civilian population

Oga stop talking bs, Russia pounded Ukrainian towns before making advances, they utilized artillery without precision to hit areas, this strategy ensured civilians fled the areas...
I said , educate me on US engagement in Yemen and Syria, i am waiting...
Yes u can call it ethnic cleansing, but the fact remains that it is a war strategy, and I'm wanting to know if alternatives exists,

talk2hb1:
The war is an unwinnable war to begin with, obviously they lack adequate intelligence on Hamas.
Just like Vietnam war, fighters has gone underground while they were busy doing area bombardements.
Ground invasion put them at great disadvantage because their soldiers were wasted away on the ground.
They could have dealt with Hamas in a strategic and precise way, now they loose international support, they couldn’t defeat Hamas. They won more enemies among the Gazans, because obviously those whose families were killed will automatically join Hamas

I do not agree with ur assertion that the war is unwinnable.... Isreal is making progress..if it controls a huge amount of gaza, it gives it higher ground in the negotiating table...
Please elaborate on "they could have dealt with hamas in a precise and strategic way" with the objective of dis-arming hamas in view...

AntiTerrorist:
Israel is carrying on with the war in the best possible way. No better alternative. Most of those who died are Hamas terrorists and their sympathizers.

Before the Israel's ground invasion into Gaza two months ago, civilians were severally warned to flee northern and central Gaza. They were warned through fliers, calls and SMS. Those who are civilians are presently in southern city of Rafah. Therefore, anybody seen in the North part of Gaza should be shot at sight.

Your own no good oh

Minsk24:

Russia did the same thing in Ukraine, do some research before regurgitating propaganda...
Russia pounded Ukraine before moving in, a good example was mariupol...
And important to note that Gaza is densely populated compared to Ukraine that has huge landmass....with big landmass comes with a reduced death toll compared to pounding a small area packed with huge population...
Please what did USA do in Yemen and Syria, i cannot recall any significant military intervention in these countries on the scale we are talking about here, please educate me sir

You can read about USA's involvement in yemen and Syria, with their usual modus operandi of fighting terrorism or bringing democracy.

Russia didn't bomb Ukraine indiscriminately like Israel is doing. Tanks where what moved into Ukraine first, the places where buildings where destroyed where later on during the war and the people there alreàdy evacuated. As for mariopol there where no civilians there when russia started pounding the place except the ones azov held as human shields which were later released before russia finally leveled the still.

Israel is using dumb bombs and they were firing from fighter jets.

Jovi10:



You can read about USA's involvement in yemen and Syria, with their usual modus operandi of fighting terrorism or bringing democracy.

Russia didn't bomb Ukraine indiscriminately like Israel is doing. Tanks where what moved into Ukraine first, the places where buildings where destroyed where later on during the war and the people there alreàdy evacuated. As for mariopol there where no civilians there when russia started pounding the place except the ones azov held as human shields which were later released before russia finally leveled the still.

Israel is using dumb bombs and they were firing from fighter jets.

Stop talking about what u don't know , the US involvement in Syria was to fight Isis alongside Kurdish forces, US had no direct involvement in Yemen, iT sold weapons to Saudi Arabia...
Russia did the same thing in Ukraine, there's no point arguing with u oga, so Russia was pounding mariupol, an empty city? Use common sense, why will a population flee from an invading force ,if there is no massive bombing campaign....
Russia used the same strategy in Syria, bombing rebel held areas before the army moved in ... the Russian general who spearheaded the syrian campaign was even called up to do same in Ukraine...
Stop letting propaganda decieve u from using common sense and logic

Minsk24:

Oga stop talking bs, Russia pounded Ukrainian towns before making advances, they utilized artillery without precision to hit areas, this strategy ensured civilians fled the areas...
I said , educate me on US engagement in Yemen and Syria, i am waiting...
Yes u can call it ethnic cleansing, but the fact remains that it is a war strategy, and I'm wanting to know if alternatives exists,

Okay sir!

Minsk24:

Stop talking about what u don't know , the US involvement in Syria was to fight Isis alongside Kurdish forces, US had no direct involvement in Yemen, iT sold weapons to Saudi Arabia...
Russia did the same thing in Ukraine, there's no point arguing with u oga, so Russia was pounding mariupol, an empty city? Use common sense, why will a population flee from an invading force ,if there is no massive bombing campaign....
Russia used the same strategy in Syria, bombing rebel held areas before the army moved in ... the Russian general who spearheaded the syrian campaign was even called up to do same in Ukraine...
Stop letting propaganda decieve u from using common sense and logic

I guess you have not been following the war since February when it started. As for Yemen, USA helped in bombing Yemen, they even fired over 400 missiles. I no get strength to argue. Do your research.

Jovi10:




I guess you have not been following the war since February when it started. As for Yemen, USA helped in bombing Yemen, they even fired over 400 missiles. I no get strength to argue. Do your research.

Lol , please dont embarrass yourself...who did USA actually bomb, houthis? STC or government forces?
400 missile lol 😂....
if u are talking about precision strikes to take out al qaeda affiliate in yemen, thats understandable....

Minsk24:

Lol , please dont embarrass yourself...who did USA actually bomb, houthis? STC or government forces?
400 missile lol 😂....
if u are talking about precision strikes to take out al qaeda affiliate in yemen, thats understandable....

Is that what I have been saying? Their modus operandi for destroying those countries (Syria,Yemen, Iraq, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. They are either fighting terrorist or trying to spread democracy, or WMD's were found

Jovi10:


Is that what I have been saying? Their modus operandi for destroying those countries (Syria,Yemen, Iraq, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. They are either fighting terrorist or trying to spread democracy, or WMD's were found

Lol, are u just hating US without realizing the root cause of crises that led to US intervention....the US led global order has brought stability.. while the US has not been perfect, they have done well and we can only hope to see improvements in global order, this may be from multi -polar system with the rise of China, or strengthening and reforming the UN....