Emusan:


You people can quickly jump under the guise of probability when discussing a complex structure like human body but will never think of such when it comes to ordinary microcontroller not to talk of microprocessor. The most advanced supercomputer of today still no match human brain.

Yet you believe this (human brain) came as a result of probability.

Do you know various fields of engineering expertise that comes together to give us microprocessor?

Can you imagine how human can expand their imagination to fabricate billions of Transistor and capacitors in a space less that 5mm x 5mm silicon wafer?

Look at the picture below, that's a flash memory (flash memory is used for storage in computer and we have them in design i.e flash drive, memory card & SSD Card), the white image at the right is a single sheet of paper. See the depth of the paper under microscope, now imagine the depth of the flash memory which is about 96-136 layer of VNAND memory cells. Meanwhile, each memory cell is 3bit which mean a single cell can store 8bit of electron.

comparing humans to computer is like comparing real life probabilities with computer algorithm.

It does not work that way

Workch:
comparing humans to computer is like comparing real life probabilities with computer algorithm.

It does not work that way

But in scientific world, they are in comparison.

In fact, what human wants to achieve right now is to develop a more complex system like human brain, in achieving this scientists will have pushed technology beyond LIMIT.

Aemmyjah:



Kindly mention any source or reference today that says Abiogenesis is a fact
LordReed - 'Snowflakes is a wonder of mindless chance' 😆

There we go no conversation without you lying. Quote where I said this if you aren't lying once again.

LordReed2nd:


There we go no conversation without you lying. Quote where I said this if you aren't lying once again.

You have forgotten what you said about Snowflakes? 😎

LordReed2nd:


The chance is zero same way the if chemicals don't come into contact the won't react. DNA didn't form from thin air so I don't know what you mean by "very poor as regards to life and complexity".

What do you even know about the DNA? It's far more complex that the most complex computer language but you can believe a computer language has no programmer if that is logical to you

LordReed2nd:


The earth rotating its axis was just as definitive as you dad meeting your mum.

Stupid comparison
Are atheists all dumb in thinking?
How does rotation of the Earth compare with a man meeting a woman?
Your folly can make you a billionaire if you sell it walahi

Workch:
I don't know if anything was designed.
The testes did not come about designed as well. It formed over Years from on species to another after so many trials and errors.

Maybe someone was trying this overtime but it's evident that the process is not even perfect. It depends a lot of chance and probability

Is the highlighted fact or your explaining your background?

Aemmyjah:


Again
Your ignorance
How did Liger come about?
You be confam olodo

If you were honest, you wouldn't be going in circles. Okay, tell us how a dog or house cat came about. What biological phenomenon occurred that led to Dog, cats, maize, water meon, pineapple, and so on?

1. You said Abiogenesis is a fact. No science textbook or Chatgpt agree. Olodo

Abiogenesis is a broad term, a hypothesis that tries to explain the evolution of inorganic molecules to organic molecules, and to living organisms.

As I said, the transformation of inorganic molecules to biological molecules has already been demonstrated in the lab. Scientists were able to mimic environmental conditions that would have existed millions of years ago at the ocean's floor where ife first began.

Your ignorance is becoming as glaring as the morning sun. You claim it's impossible for inorganic molecules to become organic, but you believe god molded man out of dust and clay. Tell me, are these not inorganic molecules? Can you explain the mechanism, used by god to turn clay inot a breathing man?

2. You mentioned something about HIV? HIV is a virus and not a biological or living organism. Olodo. Go and meet any pupil who studied elementary science

Good. At least you know this. Now, HIV is parasitic, why don't you ask yourself, how comes something like HIV exists? Waht's its purpose? This cannot be a mistake because, HIV knows to target the one thing that can kill it, that is, the immune system first before going out to target other systems. Why? Why does the HIV membrane have molecular extensions that can interact specifically with the cells of certain organisms? How did HIV have the ability to bypass the nucleus of the cell and know how to hijack the DNA? How? Intelligent design? But, you said it's not a living thing.

3. Ligers are hybrids created by human breeders in zoos or animal sanctuaries. You don't know history, science or biology or even logic. You don't just know anything but you crown yourself as emeritus when you know nothing

But, you do know, these are lab experiments and barely happens in the wild, not just because they reside in different habitats, but because they are different species, right? Therefore, god didn't create the liger... Man did. We are it's God!

4. You said the Bible mentions that the world was created in 6 literal days. It was what your pastor misinformed you that is making you mad and behaving very irrational and saying what the Bible does not teach...

Then why is it understood that it was created in 6 days? And a seventh day sabbath is observed? Is jesus stupid to not know that he didn't create the world in 6 days?

12 points in all for you, I hope you don already carry league cos i won't bring myself down to your level and be claiming points like a little child

Now, I lost count of the points you've lost.

Emusan:


But in scientific world, they are in comparison.

In fact, what human wants to achieve right now is to develop a more complex system like human brain, in achieving this scientists will have pushed technology beyond LIMIT.

Science does not make illogical comparisons. You have to carefully think before coming up with comparisons.

They have to make sense, you don't compare a monkey and fish in a swimming contest.

Aemmyjah:

This is the best comment so far. Do you know why? Cos it is full of contradictions. You better go and study science before you start capping nonsense.

1. How can you replicate biological(organic) molecules from inorganic molecules? no be juju be dat 😂. Maybe na for your village lab you see that one

2. "It's a work in progress my man" - How is a scientific fact a work in progress 😂

You atheists are just fooling around. You are just like the transgender fanatics using science to explain that not only women can get pregnant whereas we know that only women can get pregnant. You're just hotheaded and came to Nairaland to start trouble when y'all have nothing meaningful to offer

Abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. A biogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex. Biogenesis, in which life is derived from the reproduction of other life, was presumably preceded by abiogenesis, which became impossible once Earth’s atmosphere assumed its present composition.

Although many equate abiogenesis with the archaic theory of spontaneous generation(Aemmyjah and Sirtee15), the two ideas are quite different. According to the latter, complex life (e.g., a maggot or mouse) was thought to arise spontaneously and continually from nonliving matter. While the hypothetical process of spontaneous generation was disproved as early as the 17th century and decisively rejected in the 19th century, abiogenesis has been neither proved nor disproved. ---https://www.britannica.com/science/abiogenesis

SIRTeee15:


How do U know it's not Bart Erhman. Have u read his book misquoting Jesus.
U people seem to hold this guy in some god-like infallible esteem.

Read page 252 of misquoting Jesus Q&A edition, the statement is there.

https://isjesusalive.com/are-the-doctrines-of-christianity-effected-by-textual-variants-even-bart-ehrman-says-no/

Rather you are one making Bart Ehrman the authority since it was you who brought him up so why don't you listen to his actual words from his actual mouth instead of relying on editorialised versions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE?t=3874

Aemmyjah:



Stupid comparison
Are atheists all dumb in thinking?
How does rotation of the Earth compare with a man meeting a woman?
Your folly can make you a billionaire if you sell it walahi

Just say you don't know the meaning of "just as definitive". That means the Earth rotating on its axis happening was just as sure as your dad meeting your mum.

You keep revealing that you are very lacking in education the more you respond.

Aemmyjah:


What do you even know about the DNA? It's far more complex that the most complex computer language but you can believe a computer language has no programmer if that is logical to you

Bwahahahahaha! You who is confusing the abbreviation of the proteins A C G T and the various combinations of these proteins with a computer code. No matter how complex chemicals get they still follow the principles that govern chemical reactions. DNA is still a chemical and still follows the principles that guided its formation. You inability to understand that simple fact shows just how poor your education really is.

LordReed2nd:


Bwahahahahaha! You who is confusing the abbreviation of the proteins A C G T and the various combinations of these proteins with a computer code. No matter how complex chemicals get they still follow the principles that govern chemical reactions. DNA is still a chemical and still follows the principles that guided its formation. You inability to understand that simple fact shows just how poor your education really is.

So they are just A C G T right?
DNA has codes
Have you studied genetics before?
Codes are evidence of intelligence because you have to translate from one language to another.
Will you tell us there is no translation in DNA?
Can translation of a language happen by accident?
You're suffering from ignorance and arrogance but you say I have poor education

LordReed2nd:


Just say you don't know the meaning of "just as definitive". That means the Earth rotating on its axis happening was just as sure as your dad meeting your mum.

You keep revealing that you are very lacking in education the more you respond.

A man and a woman meeting together is probable or an event. It may happen and it may not happen. One may remain a Eunuch
The earth has always been rotating, it has not stopped for a second, so hiw does it compare to two people meeting? Which school did you say you go to again?

kkins25:









Abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. A biogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex. Biogenesis, in which life is derived from the reproduction of other life, was presumably preceded by abiogenesis, which became impossible once Earth’s atmosphere assumed its present composition.

Although many equate abiogenesis with the archaic theory of spontaneous generation(Aemmyjah and Sirtee15), the two ideas are quite different. According to the latter, complex life (e.g., a maggot or mouse) was thought to arise spontaneously and continually from nonliving matter. While the hypothetical process of spontaneous generation was disproved as early as the 17th century and decisively rejected in the 19th century, abiogenesis has been neither proved nor disproved. ---https://www.britannica.com/science/abiogenesis

You call Abiogenesis an idea in the beginning
Towards the end, it was disproved and an idea was that maggots or mouse could arise from non-living matter
Which one have you observed by yourself?

Abiogenesis vs Biogenesis
If you go to an island where nothing or nobody has ever inhabited ever and you see a baby playing with a shell. What comes to your mind even if you do not see the trace any mother or anything? That the baby must have somehow developed from the river?

Evolution is false
A lie
They say that multicellular organisms emerge from simple unicellular organisms like bacteria
Why don't we have just one example of bicellular, tricellular, quatricellular, quintucellular organisms?
So somehow, by a spontaneous miracle
, the human body is the end product of the primitive bacteria?
You are worse than the most brainwashed religionist

Aemmyjah:


You call Abiogenesis an idea in the beginning
Towards the end, it was disproved and an idea was that maggots or mouse could arise from non-living matter
Which one have you observed by yourself?

Abiogenesis vs Biogenesis
If you go to an island where nothing or nobody has ever inhabited ever and you see a baby playing with a shell. What comes to your mind even if you do not see the trace any mother or anything? That the baby must have somehow developed from the river?

Evolution is false
A lie
They say that multicellular organisms emerge from simple unicellular organisms like bacteria
Why don't we have just one example of bicellular, tricellular, quatricellular, quintucellular organisms?
So somehow, by a spontaneous miracle
, the human body is the end product of the primitive bacteria?
You are worse than the most brainwashed religionist

"Although many equate abiogenesis with the archaic theory of spontaneous generation (Aemmyjah and Sirtee15), the two ideas are quite different."

kkins25:

If you were honest, you wouldn't be going in circles. Okay, tell us how a dog or house cat came about. What biological phenomenon occurred that led to Dog, cats, maize, water meon, pineapple, and so on?


Abiogenesis is a broad term, a hypothesis that tries to explain the evolution of inorganic molecules to organic molecules, and to living organisms.

As I said, the transformation of inorganic molecules to biological molecules has already been demonstrated in the lab. Scientists were able to mimic environmental conditions that would have existed millions of years ago at the ocean's floor where ife first began.

Your ignorance is becoming as glaring as the morning sun. You claim it's impossible for inorganic molecules to become organic, but you believe god molded man out of dust and clay. Tell me, are these not inorganic molecules? Can you explain the mechanism, used by god to turn clay inot a breathing man?

Good. At least you know this. Now, HIV is parasitic, why don't you ask yourself, how comes something like HIV exists? Waht's its purpose? This cannot be a mistake because, HIV knows to target the one thing that can kill it, that is, the immune system first before going out to target other systems. Why? Why does the HIV membrane have molecular extensions that can interact specifically with the cells of certain organisms? How did HIV have the ability to bypass the nucleus of the cell and know how to hijack the DNA? How? Intelligent design? But, you said it's not a living thing.


But, you do know, these are lab experiments and barely happens in the wild, not just because they reside in different habitats, but because they are different species, right? Therefore, god didn't create the liger... Man did. We are it's God!



Then why is it understood that it was created in 6 days? And a seventh day sabbath is observed? Is jesus stupid to not know that he didn't create the world in 6 days?



Now, I lost count of the points you've lost.

This guy be mumu walahi
LordReed, you'll better come and help this your atheists friend cos he just de misyan Bible and science

Is HIV a parasite?
Again, an hypothesis is not a fact
Since you said transformation of biological molecules from inorganic matter has been demonstrated in a lab, show us the evidence na, even if na fake one... You go find tire

Ask chatgpt or any baby science textbook if a virus is a living organism. Why are you foolish like this? Bible, you no sabi.

The creation period was divided into six parts called days but not 24 literal hour days cos the heaven and the earth were already there in the beginning . The entire universe is about 14 billion years old...
Genesis 2 even described God as creating everything in one day
So each creative day may have span thousands of years

Lemme bring it down to your shallow understanding. And I'll use football soccer
In league games, we have what we call match days and in each day. 10 games are played in each match day but it's not all played in one literal day right? A game can be played on friday, most are played on Saturday and others on Sunday, a game or two can be played on Monday right? Even today, the word day is not always used literally.
For example, if I say 'In my father's day, there were no tricycles..."
I'm not referring to a literal 24 hour day in my father's lifetime but the day represents his entire life.
Even just as we use the term, day of harvest. It does not mean that the crop is harvested on that day alone, it could be months... The bible says that a day in Jehovah's eyes is as a thousand years and we are still in the seventh day where God rested or stopped his creative activity. That sabbath day or a day out seven days was declared sacred does not mean that everything was done on seven days. We may celebrate October 1 as Independence day but there were a number of events that led to it before the declaration on that October 1. They did not just wake up and say we are getting independence today. We might have a day as a Memorial to the Holocaust which brings to mind everything that happens during the period (over 10 years). Guy, Bible is too much for your type and that's why you will continue to cap nonsense and be angry over what you were misinformed in church and your what negative ideas are feeding you
Your ignorance of Bible and Science is very high
Is there day and night from God's dwelling place? we only have day and night cos of the movement of the Earth on the solar system. Only on earth do we have the 24 hours stuff of day and night cos of its movement and the satellite and the sunlight.
You need proper education of the Bible my dear and allow all those misconceptions escape your skull

LordReed2nd:


Rather you are one making Bart Ehrman the authority since it was you who brought him up so why don't you listen to his actual words from his actual mouth instead of relying on editorialised versions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE?t=3874

Watch 1.5 hrs of Bart Erhman doing shalaye when he himself admitted his gist of a book didn't nullify the core Christian belief.

U watch and tell me if he actually denied ever saying the quote I brought up here.
That's all I care about.

Aemmyjah:


You call Abiogenesis an idea in the beginning
Towards the end, it was disproved and an idea was that maggots or mouse could arise from non-living matter
Which one have you observed by yourself?

Abiogenesis vs Biogenesis
If you go to an island where nothing or nobody has ever inhabited ever and you see a baby playing with a shell. What comes to your mind even if you do not see the trace any mother or anything? That the baby must have somehow developed from the river?

Evolution is false
A lie
They say that multicellular organisms emerge from simple unicellular organisms like bacteria
Why don't we have just one example of bicellular, tricellular, quatricellular, quintucellular organisms?
So somehow, by a spontaneous miracle
, the human body is the end product of the primitive bacteria?
You are worse than the most brainwashed religionist

Oh Ammejah.... A baby starts of as a unicellular organism, an Embryo, becomes bicellular, then spits further, and so on. So, do plants.

Remember your Volvox Colony from your SSS biology? Something like that.... Good old Euglena

kkins25:


"Although many equate abiogenesis with the archaic theory of spontaneous generation (Aemmyjah and Sirtee15), the two ideas are quite different."

Explain sir?
Explain where you have seen, either with your own eyes or in a lab, a biological organism developing from inorganic matter
That's the foundation of both UNSCIENTIFIC FICTION
I won't mind to say you're in the same football league with those who still claim that the earth is flat and that statement is fact, another team in your league are transgender who say men can get pregnant and use science to explain that too. The videos are there on the internet and some of them are high-ranking professors lecturers, politicians too... Those are your own league...
God creating Man from dust is too wonderful for you to understand but you can believe that language emerge from grunts of beasts, that breasts developed from sweat glands, that a primitive bacteria could later, spontaneously bring about different forms including Man.

Now, my question.
Those that created the liger (create is not the right word cos they used recombinant DNA technology and got the gametes from a cat and a lion and science tells us that members of the same genus can procreate even tho lion and tiger and of the different species).
Now that they created liger and you have termed the creators God, who did that God represent? An intelligent designer or blind, mindless chance? Your answer will help every on this forum know your IQ level. Please answer.

Aemmyjah:


This guy be mumu walahi
LordReed, you'll better come and help this your atheists friend cos he just de misyan Bible and science

Is HIV a parasite?

Anything that needs a host to survive and cause damage to that host is a parasite Aemmyjah. Humans can be parasites too.. You no sabi English ne?

Again, an hypothesis is not a fact
Since you said transformation of biological molecules from inorganic matter has been demonstrated in a lab, show us the evidence na, even if na fake one... You go find tire

Here you go, this began in the 1950s.... https://www.britannica.com/science/Miller-Urey-experiment. it has been replicated severally and the verdict remains the same. In the right conditions inorganic molecules could react to for organic-life-supporting, molecules.

Ask chatgpt or any baby science textbook if a virus is a living organism. Why are you foolish like this? Bible, you no sabi.

Yes. but that is the definition we give to SSS students. . Us biologist argue as to the state of being of a virus. here's a Virus according to Wiki

A virus is a submicroscopic infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism.[1] Viruses infect all life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea.[2][3] Viruses are found in almost every ecosystem on Earth and are the most numerous type of biological entity.[4][5]

The creation period was divided into six parts called days but not 24 literal hour days cos the heaven and the earth were already there in the beginning . The entire universe is about 14 billion years old...
Genesis 2 even described God as creating everything in one day
So each creative day may have span thousands of years

So, why do you have a sabbath day? If the entire universe is about 14 billion years old, when was Adam created? And, how does that tally with the Genealogy of Jesus Christ who can be traced back to Adam via the gospel accounts.

Lemme bring it down to your shallow understanding. And I'll use football soccer
Guy, Bible is too much for your type and that's why you will continue to cap nonsense and be angry over what you were misinformed in

When was Adam formed? What was Adam? A man, or a homo Habilis?

Is there day and night from God's dwelling place? we only have day and night cos of the movement of the Earth on the solar system. Only on earth do we have the 24 hours stuff of day and night cos of its movement and the satellite and the sunlight.
You need proper education of the Bible my dear and allow all those misconceptions escape your skull

I wouldn't know. If you did know, then maybe you've spoken to God, which I doubt, or you're speaking on his behalf, and saying things he never said. As usual with christians.

kkins25:


Oh Ammejah.... A baby starts of as a unicellular organism, an Embryo, becomes bicellular, then spits further, and so on. So, do plants.

Remember your Volvox Colony from your SSS biology? Something like that.... Good old Euglena

I said mention a bicellular organism
He mentions a zygote undergoing development
Bwahahahahaha

So if your son asks you to mention bicellular organisms or bicellular organisms that emerge from primitive bacteria? Na wetin you go mention be dat shey?
I said lemme just take time and focus on you, you don de misyan

Is Volvox a bicellular or multicellular organism?
You be mumu pro max
You better ask one primary school student to confirm the things you want to type before you keep humiliating yourself, you don de drop points enter relegation or you ask Chatgpt. You're the most ignorant and ridiculous atheists on this forum. The others are the same but na you go carry league na

Aemmyjah:
..

you'd do well to review the links I sent.

A iiger isn't an intelligent design Aemm. Because we didn't know the outcome. All we did was get a "Lion to knack a Tiger." As you've seen, even dogs can knack humans. If they happen to give birth to a Huma-Dog, is that intelligent design?

Aemmyjah:


I said mention a bicellular organism
He mentions a zygote undergoing development
Bwahahahahaha

So if your son asks you to mention bicellular organisms or bicellular organisms that emerge from primitive bacteria? Na wetin you go mention be dat shey?
I said lemme just take time and focus on you, you don de misyan

Is Volvox a bicellular or multicellular organism?
You be mumu pro max
You better ask one primary school student to confirm the things you want to type before you keep humiliating yourself, you don de drop points enter relegation or you ask Chatgpt. You're the most ignorant and ridiculous atheists on this forum. The others are the same but na you go carry league na

A Volvox is not a multicellular organism. It's a colony of unicellular organism, much like an ant colony. Same with the green stuff you see in ponds and water. The thing is, two unicellular Volvox can attach to each other and function as a bi-cellular organism.

kkins25:

Anything that needs a host to survive and cause damage to that host is a parasite Aemmyjah. Humans can be parasites too.. You no sabi English ne?



Here you go, this began in the 1950s.... https://www.britannica.com/science/Miller-Urey-experiment. it has been replicated severally and the verdict remains the same. In the right conditions inorganic molecules could react to for organic-life-supporting, molecules.

Yes. but that is the definition we give to SSS students. . Us biologist argue as to the state of being of a virus. here's a Virus according to Wiki

A virus is a submicroscopic infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism.[1] Viruses infect all life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea.[2][3] Viruses are found in almost every ecosystem on Earth and are the most numerous type of biological entity.[4][5]


So, why do you have a sabbath day? If the entire universe is about 14 billion years old, when was Adam created? And, how does that tally with the Genealogy of Jesus Christ who can be traced back to Adam via the gospel accounts.

When was Adam formed? What was Adam? A man, or a homo Habilis?


I wouldn't know. If you did know, then maybe you've spoken to God, which I doubt, or you're speaking on his behalf, and saying things he never said. As usual with christians.

See as I de use your argument disarm you
Based on the highlighted?
Is HIV a living organism?
You're not even logical walahi, you can call humans a parasite if you are one
You say there are evidence in science labs, you carry me to 1950. Guy, I sabi say you get money, go qnd learn science well and come back to me. Go and start with elementary science textbook

On your question on Adam and universe and Jesus, I see that you manifest foolishness but swallowing lies evolutionists says and manifest hardheartedness with what the Bible says
Your questions is too stupid
Go and read the Bible

Maybe God created Adam and left him in space and after billions of years had passed and life was suitable on earth for human habitation, he then dropped him. Even as the Bible mentions the sequence of creation, you still de mumu

Workch:
Science does not make illogical comparisons. You have to carefully think before coming up with comparisons.

First of all, you don't say SCIENCE.

And I said, scientists compare microprocessor with human brain.

They have to make sense, you don't compare a monkey and fish in a swimming contest.

So who is comparing monkey with fish here?

Emusan:


First of all, you don't say SCIENCE.

And I said, scientists compare microprocessor with human brain.



So who is comparing monkey with fish here?

Go back and analyze your initial comparison carefully

Workch:
Go back and analyze your initial comparison carefully

Point it out first.

SIRTeee15:


Watch 1.5 hrs of Bart Erhman doing shalaye when he himself admitted his gist of a book didn't nullify the core Christian belief.

U watch and tell me if he actually denied ever saying the quote I brought up here.
That's all I care about.

Dude I bookmarked the exact spot for you. Lemme post the transcript so you can verify it yourself.

Aemmyjah:


A man and a woman meeting together is probable or an event. It may happen and it may not happen. One may remain a Eunuch
The earth has always been rotating, it has not stopped for a second, so hiw does it compare to two people meeting? Which school did you say you go to again?

The earth's formation was also a probable event, one that also could have or could not have happened. It's rotating on its own axis was another probable event, one that also could have or could not have happened.

Go back to kindergarten and learn English so they can teach you what comparison means

LordReed2nd:


The earth's formation was also a probable event, one that also could have or could not have happened. It's rotating on its own axis was another probable event, one that also could have or could not have happened.

Go back to kindergarten and learn English so they can teach you what comparison means

The earth is rotating is a fact or probability?
Dis guy just de jonze