Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 11:52am On Jan 31 |
naptu2: It's even right there on the Wikipedia article about town planning!
Read the screenshot below.
Fines, penalties and demolition... Not just the extreme and certainly not when the public infrastructure is in total decay! Government should lead from the front! |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Christlike01: 11:53am On Jan 31 |
obi58:
Yenyen cry more..... It doesn't take away the fact that the people of Lagos deserve better and should hold their government accountable.
It also does not detract from the fact that you are most definitely not from Lagos and don't wish the people of Lagos well This is exactly what you're running away from; your tasteless,slavery identity and heritage! For how long are you gonna keep running away,Chinedu ? We aren't complaining about our government in Lagos, Sanwo-Olu is working and Lagos is moving forward. You should be concerned about the demons that are chasing your own people away from your ancestral land 'cause that's where you belong ! Even if your great grandfather refused to go back to his village and died in Lagos,that will NEVER make you an indigene of Lagos State. You're nothing but an "atohunrinwa", a poor economic migrant from the pit of hell ! Awa Omo Eko aromisa legbe legbe mo ara wa, atohunrinwa ni e, ajoji kodogbo ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 11:54am On Jan 31 |
AyeMoJuba:
How many of those ramshackle structures can afford a soundproof technology? They are long due to be taken out of residential areas. Good riddance to bad rubbish joo Let's start by ensuring these structures comply to code first. Those that can't will definitely need to be shut down. However, I'm sure you would prefer having good access roads and better schools and health care facilities than noisy churches. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 11:57am On Jan 31 |
Read
This is the law
Ignorantia juris non excusat 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 11:57am On Jan 31 |
Christlike01:
This is exactly what you're running away from; your tasteless,slavery identity and heritage! For how long are you gonna keep running away,Chinedu ? We aren't complaining about our government in Lagos, Sanwo-Olu is working and Lagos is moving forward. You should be concerned about the demons that are chasing your own people away from your ancestral 'cause that's where you belong !
Even if your great grandfather refused to go back to his village and died in Lagos,that will NEVER make an indigene of Lagos State. You're nothing but an "atohunrinwa", a poor economic migrant from the pit of hell ! More yenyen. Why are you so angry bro 🤣🤣🤣? Did you just finish fighting bus conductor for change? As for your moniker.... Is this how someone who is Christ like should talk? Still on the matter, e sure me die say you are definitely not from Lagos state. You're just a wannabe who does not even mean well for the people of Lagos. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 11:59am On Jan 31 |
naptu2: Read
This is the law
Ignorantia juris non excusat Even from biblical times, Man was not made for Sabbath bro but Sabbath for Man. That was why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees. I asked you a question about a private community health center. I await your response. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 12:01pm On Jan 31 |
Don't let anyone deceive you with noise.
If you think it's a joke, go to London or New York, get a residential building and convert it into a nightclub, church or mosque without planning permission then see what happens.
Politics should not be madness. You should oppose reasonably 3 Likes |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 12:03pm On Jan 31 |
The government has a duty to uphold the law. They swore an oath that they would uphold the law.
The government also has a duty to its citizens that are affected by these illegal activities.
Do not let lawless people who think they can do anything they want to confuse you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Christlike01: 12:06pm On Jan 31 |
obi58:
More yenyen. Why are you so angry bro 🤣🤣🤣? Did you just finish fighting bus conductor for change?
As for your moniker.... Is this how someone who is Christ like should talk?
Still on the matter, e sure me die say you are definitely not from Lagos state. You're just a wannabe who does not even mean well for the people of Lagos. My business is not to prove anything to you but for you to know that more and more of such policies that will sanitize our state are coming and nothing on this earth will stop us from implementing those policies. You know the way to your village if you can't cope,village boy ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 12:08pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2: The government has a duty to uphold the law. They swore an oath that they would uphold the law.
The government also has a duty to its citizens that are affected by these illegal actovities.
Do not let lawless people who think they can do anything they want to confuse you. Again man was not made for Sabbath but Sabbath for man. Laws are designed to serve the greatest good. We cannot be playing politics with people's livelihoods right now! Absolutely not! Before government is thinking about demolishing structures, first thing should be to ensure such areas have good public infrastructure. That's all I'm saying. Govt is elected to serve the people. Not so? |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 12:10pm On Jan 31 |
Christlike01:
My business is not to prove anything to you but for you to know that more and more of such policies that will sanitize our state are coming and nothing on this earth will stop us from implementing those policies.
You know the way to your village if you can't cope,village boy ! I for one will certainly support government demolishing your church because you are definitely anything but Christlike What a hypocrite! Do you discriminate when collecting tithes and offerings? Do you discriminate when sending your children to school? Do you discrimate when going to the market or to the hospital? |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 12:12pm On Jan 31 |
Till date people still praise El-Rufai for restoring the masterplan of Abuja. This is 20 years later.
Yet some people want government to allow people to do whatever they want in Lagos, then these same people will come back later to complain that "Lagos is a jungle".
Sanity must be restored one step at a time, whether anyone likes it or not. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Christlike01: 12:22pm On Jan 31 |
obi58:
I for one will certainly support government demolishing your church because you are definitely anything but Christlike
What a hypocrite! Do you discriminate when collecting tithes and offerings? Do you discriminate when sending your children to school? Do you discrimate when going to the market or to the hospital? Nobody needs your sermons or any advice here,just relocate back to your village if Lagos is becoming too hot for you ! No illegal structures - church or mosque will be left standing by the state government as long as they contravene the law. Demolishing my church ? You be mumu ! What makes you think that If I have a church that such will be sited on an unapproved land,in my state ? Take a friendly hint from me: more stringent policies that are aimed at sanitizing our state and rid it of criminals from a particular section of the country are about to be launched ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 12:25pm On Jan 31 |
And you can clearly see from this section of the GM's statement that the issue is about town planning, not anything else. Lagos State Government has given 30-day final notice to owners/occupiers of residential buildings illegally converted to churches, mosques, clubhouses, lounges, and bars across the state without approval for change of use, to revert to the original use of the structure.
The notice is a sequel to the distortion of the masterplan of Lagos State, especially residential areas, by some people who in gross disregard to the regulatory provisions of the law turned residential areas into clubhouses and worship centres thereby constituting a nuisance to the environment. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 1:12pm On Jan 31 |
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Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 1:15pm On Jan 31 |
I also wrote about it here. This was supposed to be a residential area, how do you want families with teenage kids (especially teenage boys) to cope? naptu2: The origin of the problem.
1) The Place.
The problem began with The Place in 2013 or 2014. The neighbourhood experienced massive change 2013/2014 when the Lekki-Ikoyi Link Bridge was opened. This brought more companies/businesses and offices to what was previously a quiet residential neighbourhood. The Place brought even greater changes.
The Place was a three in one business. It consisted of a restaurant, a hotel and a nightclub. The nightclub was the problem.
They played very loud music all night and they had light shows in the sky above the club, but that wasn’t the worst problem.
The nightclub attracted lots of prostitutes to the area. I usually went to the bridge to exercise around 4am and the route to the bridge was usually peaceful with no one else around (I usually only encountered joggers on the bridge and really very few joggers on Admiralty Way on my way to the bridge), but I began to see noisy and skimpily dressed girls on Admiralty Way. Where did they come from? I altered my route one day in order to find the source and I discovered that they came from The Place Nightclub.
It wasn’t just the prostitutes. That nightclub became one of the most popular nightclubs in Lagos and as a result, you began to see traffic jams on Admiralty Way at 2am. Now the noise wasn’t just from the music. It was also from the horns, engine noise and shouts of patrons of the nightclub.
Sometimes the patrons would argue and exchange gunshots on Admiralty Way (a bullet came through the ceiling of my friend’s house one day).
And then there were the drunk drivers. I told you back then that it became a tradition to see weird accidents on Admiralty Way and Lekki-Ikoyi Link Bridge on Saturday and Sunday mornings. People would drive into the roundabout, jump over the curb and ram into walls and I even had to call LASAMBUS for some people that crashed right in front of the nightclub (one of them was lying unconscious on the road).
And there were the taxi drivers. The prostitutes needed someone to bring them to Admiralty Way and take them back home and so the taxi drivers took over all the inner roads that were near Admiralty Way. I remember when the Lekki Residents Association began a campaign against these taxi drivers (because they often blocked roads and gates and LERA saw them as a security risk). They got all business establishments nearby (GTBank, etc) to lock their carparks at night (so the taxi drivers would not have anywhere to park) and they got policemen to arrest the drivers that parked on the streets. Some of the drivers protested on Twitter, but they thought that it was LCC that was getting them arrested (LCC had to issue a statement denying the allegation), but it wasn’t, it was LERA.
The Place Nightclub closed down in 2019, probably because of the complaints. They had previously hired security guards to chase the prostitutes away (probably because of complaints), but it didn’t work. The prostitutes moved away from The Place, but continued to stand on Admiralty Way.
The prostitutes moved to Farm City after The Place Nightclub closed down. Farm City is just a few metres down the road from The Place.
Late in 2020, after the End SARS protest, the prostitutes and taxi drivers were joined by drug dealers. All kinds of hard drug dealers began standing in the same area with the prostitutes while they waited for customers. Someone said that it won’t take long before armed robbers join the prostitutes, taxi drivers and drug dealers.
Farm City does not make noise. There is no loud music coming from that restaurant. However, I noticed that some foul smelling liquid waste comes from the area beside it. I was not sure if it was from Farm City or their neighbours.
LASEPA shut down Farm City a few days ago. I took these pictures this morning.
2) Lennox Mall.
The noise moved over to Lennox Mall.
They had some kind of rooftop bar or lounge and they played very loud music through the night. LASEPA has also visited them and I haven’t heard any noise from them.
3) Bukka Hut
A Bukka Hut outlet opened in that area and they got a DJ and speakers to promote their business. They DJ played loud music while Bukka Hut employees gave out fliers. This was in the period after it first opened.
Since then they have occasionally brought out the DJ and speakers, but thankfully, unlike the others, they don’t do it in the middle of the night.
LASEPA has also visited Bukka Hut.
4) Pop up market.
There is a market that just suddenly appears at car parks and in front of businesses in the area. You might pass a carpark today and it only has parked cars, you might pass a construction site today and it only has construction workers, but if you pass the same place tomorrow you’ll see canopies, hung clothes, mannequins, a DJ and large speakers. They usually play loud music as they sell their wares, very loud music.
I saw the pop up market at two locations this morning, Sweet Kiwi Yoghurt and Mopheth Pharmacy, but there were no large speakers or DJs.
5) Hotel.
There was also some kind of hotel on an inner street. I always believed that the place was too small to be a hotel and to have concerts, but it was a hotel and concerts were held there. Famous musicians often came to perform there and you’d hear loud music throughout the night.
Thankfully I think the place closed and they no longer emit loud sounds at night.
There is no longer loud music in the neighbourhood both at night and during the day. Everywhere is peaceful
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Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Procashtips(m): 1:19pm On Jan 31 |
obi58:
Maybe maybe not but honestly the government actually has more pressing issues to address in Lagos than demolishing people's buildings and businesses. For a center of excellence, the state of Lagos roads, schools, health centers, markets and motor parks are all in a sorry state. Lastma is a joke and Agberos reign as kings. Demolish? They said vacate so the properties can be used for the intended purpose. Residential should be residential. Apart from the unnecessary noise and other environmental issues they bring along, have you noticed that rent has gone up? The demand for few available houses is just too much. Churches, mosques, clubhouses and other businesses should move to areas designed for such activities and let residential environments remain so. Let's for once be okay with doing the right thing and stop antagonizing everything! You want your country to develop, when they decide to take decisions to that direction, you antagonize it again. Shhh what exactly do you people want? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by 946mofolorunsho: 1:20pm On Jan 31 |
TIME FOR ME TO SNITCH ON MY ANNOYING NOISY NEIGHBORSTIME FOR ME TO SNITCH ON MY ANNOYING NOISY NEIGHBORS... |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Gboom: 1:38pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2: And you can clearly see from this section of the GM's statement that the issue is about town planning, not anything else.
Tell your Lasepa that una go demolish tire because these illegal structures are more than what they can ever imagine Online notice without serving the people concerned may result to anarchy. Virtually all houses in Lagos is commercialized without any approval from government for that. There are a lot of church and mosque buildings that can be regarded as ancient landmark, removing them rather than improving them will cause trouble |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 1:45pm On Jan 31 |
Gboom:
Tell your Lasepa that una go demolish tire because these illegal structures are more than what they can ever imagine Online notice without serving the people concerned may result to anarchy. Virtually all houses in Lagos is commercialized without any approval from government for that. There are a lot of church and mosque buildings that can be regarded as ancient landmark, removing them rather than improving them will cause trouble It's very simple, time will tell and we'll all see it. By the way, they didn't say that they are demolishing outright. They said that the premises that do not have approval should revert to their original intended use, otherwise they will be removed. We'll all see if they will revert and if they will be removed. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Gboom: 1:55pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2:
It's very simple, time will tell and we'll all see it.
By the way, they didn't say that they are demolishing outright. They said that the premises that do not have approval should revert to their original intended use, otherwise they will be removed.
We'll all see if they will revert and if they will be removed. It is better like that E ku ise, thumbs up |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by MadamExcellency: 2:02pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2:
obi58 has written so much crap on this thread There are building regulations in Lagos and you know when you get a piece of land whether it is residential or commercial. It is illegal to convert a residential piece of land to a commercial business. The people who did the conversion know this. The government must enforce the law and no whataboutism can change that.
The government is not arbitrarily removing buildings because it feels like. Those businesses are illegally situated I put it to you that the Lagos State government can't implement this hogwash policy. Who born the Governor to remove churches and mosques because of their location? Mallam Elrufia made so much noise on the regulation of religious preaching and was taken to court and the Executive order was struck down and so will this. 1 Like |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obrian888: 2:56pm On Jan 31 |
Coolestguy2023:
Hater, Jealousy. Your hope and wish for Lagos or any part of Yoruba land will be what Amambra will become Always calling Lagos, Lagos, what happens to the others? Ogun, Osun, Ondo, Oyo, Ekiti and your lost Kwara States, why are they seriously underdeveloped? even the developer of Lagos cannot develop his Iragbiji, na wa, Eko is baje already. i am from Delta, the big HEART. you do anyhow, you see any how. 1 Like |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Coolestguy2023: 3:11pm On Jan 31 |
obrian888:
Always calling Lagos, Lagos, what happens to the others? Ogun, Osun, Ondo, Oyo, Ekiti and your lost Kwara States, why are they seriously underdeveloped? even the developer of Lagos cannot develop his Iragbiji, na wa, Eko is baje already. i am from Delta, the big HEART. you do anyhow, you see any how. Ogs get out 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by obi58: 4:17pm On Jan 31 |
Procashtips:
Demolish?
They said vacate so the properties can be used for the intended purpose. Residential should be residential.
Apart from the unnecessary noise and other environmental issues they bring along, have you noticed that rent has gone up?
The demand for few available houses is just too much.
Churches, mosques, clubhouses and other businesses should move to areas designed for such activities and let residential environments remain so.
Let's for once be okay with doing the right thing and stop antagonizing everything!
You want your country to develop, when they decide to take decisions to that direction, you antagonize it again.
Shhh what exactly do you people want? Read the original quote. Building owners are expected to vacate such occupants within 30days or such structures would be removed at owners expense. As per increase in rent, guy let's be honest. Our inflation is officially approaching 30% and you expect rent pricing not to go up? Whenever you are less busy, take a stroll into the building materials market in your area and spend 30 minutes there comparing prices of items there 6 months ago to today's prices. Then come back and let's have this convo. Thank you. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by DWJOBScom(m): 4:32pm On Jan 31 |
obi58:
Let's give this better perspective for it to sink in.... Today it's religious centres and sitouts right? What if tomorrow the govt decides to relocate all businesses from residential areas in furtherance of the so called original master plan. Can you imagine traveling distances to buy a bar of soap from the supermarket or just to get a hair cut?
Moderation is key. Soundproof sitouts and bars and religious centers and sanction defaulters instead of shutting them down indiscriminately. For those religious centers without approvals, work with them to get them up to code and issue then requisite permits. People are going through a lot these days and religion and sitouts are our own form of local therapy here. That's why you don't have the kind of random shootings in public places here that happen every now and again abroad. I agree This is superior argument |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Procashtips(m): 4:33pm On Jan 31 |
obi58:
Read the original quote. Building owners are expected to vacate such occupants within 30days or such structures would be removed at owners expense.
As per increase in rent, guy let's be honest. Our inflation is officially approaching 30% and you expect rent pricing not to go up? Whenever you are less busy, take a stroll into the building materials market in your area and spend 30 minutes there comparing prices of items there 6 months ago to today's prices. Then come back and let's have this convo.
Thank you. They won't demolish anything, they just want to use that to make owners evict these set of entities from their buildings. Remember Nigerians only know force. If it's to demolish, how many will they demolish? As for hike in rent, did they just build most of the houses that you're asking me to go to the market to price building materials? Are the houses buying building materials daily to demand hike in rent? I can understand new houses, but the old ones. Rent hike didn't start now, it started a while back, just that old houses with no modem facilities have now joined without shame. Let churches, mosques, clubhouses and businesses go and rent mails meant for businesses or build their own in designated areas . |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 4:36pm On Jan 31 |
Procashtips:
They won't demolish anything, they just want to use that to make owners evict these set of entities from their buildings.
Remember Nigerians only know force. If it's to demolish, how many will they demolish?
As for hike in rent, did they just build most of the houses that you're asking me to go to the market to price building materials?
Are the houses buying building materials daily to demand hike in rent?
I can understand new houses, but the old ones.
Rent hike didn't start now, it started a while back, just that old houses with no modem facilities have now joined without shame.
Let churches, mosques, clubhouses and businesses go and rent mails meant for businesses or build their own in designated areas . The rent hike started in the late 1990s and early 2000s when Mr Biggs, Zenith Bank and Redeemed Church were in a competition to grow branches. They began setting up branches in residential areas, sometimes 2 or 3 on a single street. Individuals couldn't compete with them. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by Procashtips(m): 4:42pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2:
The rent hike started in the late 1990s and early 2000s when Mr Biggs, Zenith Bank and Redeemed Church were in a competition to grow branches. They began setting up branches in residential areas, sometimes 2 or 3 on a single street. Individuals couldn't compete with them. Thank you. This is what @obi53 is not seeing Rent hike started because of churches, mosques and businesses using residential buildings for business. RCCG is the oga when it comes to churches turning homes to worship centres, they use big money to lure landlords into giving them accommodation. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 4:44pm On Jan 31 |
Besides, if you look closely at the statement, it says 30 days final notice. This is not the first time they've been warned. |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 4:47pm On Jan 31 |
This is exactly what I wrote (in my previous post) about Shomolu. They also need to visit this issue. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: LASG To Remove Residential Buildings Converted To Worship Centres & Clubs by naptu2: 4:53pm On Jan 31 |
naptu2: This Quilox Issue
Dear diary, I'm going to tell you about this Quilox issue in a way that I didn't even write on that thread.
I was driving from Lekki to Ikoyi early on Christmas morning in 2017 or 2018 (I think it was 2018). I got to Ozumba Mbadiwe Road and met a huge traffic jam. That was strange. There has never been traffic jam at that place early in the morning on Christmas day.
I got closer and discovered that there were cars parked on the road. You might not understand what I mean by this. Ozumba Mbadiwe is an 8 lane road (4 lanes per carriageway) so you might think that the parked cars only took up 2 lanes on the edges of the road. That's not what happened.
There were cars parked on both last lanes of the road and there were cars parked by the median of the road. It was chaos.
It wasn't only the cars. As I got closer to Quilox, I discovered that I had to be careful because there were skimpily dressed girls and guys darting between cars.
Despite the fact that my window was rolled up and I was on the other carriageway, I could hear the bass from Quilox as I drove past the club.
It was later in the day that I discovered what was happening. Quilox was having a 36 hour party (Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day).
There was only a little complaint on Twitter and I didn't hear about any action that was taken by the government to address the problem.
2019
It seemed like Quilox believed that everything was OK, because they got away with it in 2018. The 2019 edition was worse. Thankfully I didn't personally witness that year's problem, but I followed the drama on social media.
It began with massive complaints from people that were trapped in traffic. That trended on Twitter. Then the government got involved.
Government officials said that their phones were bombarded with complaints from citizens that were trapped in traffic. LASTMA and LASEPA went there late in the night/early morning. They issued warnings, but the warnings were not heeded. Then LASTMA began towing cars that were parked on the road. Some of the car owners resisted and LASTMA got the police to arrest them. They were taken to Maroko Police Station. Then LASEPA ordered everybody out of Quilox and sealed the place (because of the noise pollution).
There was another drama at Maroko Police Station. The Police claimed that Shina Peller (the owner of Quilox, who is also a member of the National Assembly and was an APC member at the time) came to the station and threatened them and was unruly, so they arrested him. Shina Peller said that he didn't make any trouble and he went to the police station to bail his customers when the police arrested him.
There was also a battle on Twitter. Shina Peller's friends and fans tried to mobilise public opinion against the government, but they were countered by people who were stuck in the traffic jam and those who had to suffer because of the loud music.
Quilox was closed till sometime in January 2020 when an agreement was made between Quilox and LASEPA. |