AntiChristian:


So the Biblical God wasn't satisfied with animals again then moved to human?
That's like yahoo yahoo to Yahoo plus!

That theory is from Babalawo/Boka/Dibia ritualists!

TenQ:

And you expect that we can trust the Qur'an with the proper names of people or groups?

Who is Isa?
What is the Injeel?

Okay!
According to Allah, who are those who say
1. Trinity?
2. Isa is Allah?
3. People of the Book (other than the Jews)?


Why do you people look for validation in the Book of the Christians if Allah never referred to us?

AntiChristian:


Comprehension = 0

What's the Arabic word translated as Christians?

Ken4Christ:


The quality of life of the blood of animals is not the same as that of human. We are far superior to animals. This is why the sacrifices of animals cannot pay for the sins of mankind. It only covered or atone for their sins for one year.

So, God needed a perfect sacrifice that will meet the demand of Justice. This is why his Son Jesus had to come to take up a human flesh and paid the price.

Legally, everyone is free. But it can only profit you when you accept it. This is why Jesus said;

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He said further;

John 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So, the choice is yours. If you believe, you will be saved. If you don't, you are condemned.

AntiChristian:


Hmmm!

honesttalk21:


2 Kings 19:10
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you [/b]saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Isaiah 37:10
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘[b]Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you, [/b]saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Jeremiah 20:7
[b]O Lord, You have deceived me and I was deceived;
You have overcome me and prevailed.
I have become a laughingstock all day long;
Everyone mocks me.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat.”

Ezekiel 14:9
“But if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word, it is I, the Lord, who have prevailed upon that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false
Imagine the justification

1 Kings 22:22
The Lord said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’

(Encouraged by your god?)

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a 9 Bible Verses about
God Deceiving
Most Relevant Verses
2 Kings 19:10
Verse Concepts
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Isaiah 37:10
Verse Concepts
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you, saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Jeremiah 20:7
Verse Concepts
O Lord, You have deceived me and I was deceived;
You have overcome me and prevailed.
I have become a laughingstock all day long;
Everyone mocks me.

Jeremiah 4:10
Verse Concepts
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat.”

Ezekiel 14:9
Verse Concepts
“But if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word, it is I, the Lord, who have prevailed upon that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
Verse Concepts
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

Job 13:7
“Will you speak what is unjust for God,
And speak what is deceitful for Him?

1 Kings 22:22
Verse Concepts
The Lord said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the Lord has proclaimed disaster against you.”

AntiChristian:
So God cherish human blood than animal blood? Does he drink it like a vampire? He could have just created an endless pool of blood to drink if He needs blood!



God needs no sacrifice!
1.
But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22

2.
Matthew 12:7
If only you had known the meaning of 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

3.
Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

4.
Hebrews 10:6
In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight.

5.
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require.

6.
Psalm 51:15-16
O Lord, open my lips, and my mouth will declare Your praise. For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.

AntiChristian:


Of what use is the holy spirit empowering him when he wanted to kill lion and thirty people for betting and stealing their clothes!

AntiChristian:


I think I did gave all these to TenQ, sirtee15 and others and they were giving one excuses or the other!

SIRTee15:


Ok let me discuss the atonement of sin and forgiveness according to the bible.
Promise me U won't abandon it because that's always my problem when debating with U.
U run away half way

SIRTee15:


What excuse. U that don't even know what's the holy spirit.

SIRTee15:



When he returns, Why would Jesus say to those filled with the power of the holy spirit and performing miracle thru the power of the holy spirit-

Depart from me all ye workers of iniquity.

Why would he tell them to go away despite these people performed sign and wonders in his name?

AntiChristian:


That's obvious as they didn't follow his ways but were workers of iniquities!

AntiChristian:


You think say I get time to waste!

I will respond to you three times and you've used one!

SIRTee15:


Then continue with your delusion and stop calling my name to irrelevance.
To each his belief..I'd that not what your Koran says.

SIRTee15:


But they had the power of holy spirit in them, they were performing signs and wonder like Samson- the killing machine.

Why would He reject them, despite having the holy spirit power at work in them.

AntiChristian:


Even Babalawo can do miracles!

Must someone have the Holy spirit to do miracles?

SIRTee15:


But they casted put demon in the name of the Lord

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Mayntheemaynn:

you mean jewish people in 1st century was casting out demons in the name of 'yeshua'

john the baptist said jesus will baptize people using what?
which name did jesus say you should not blaspheme against?

AntiChristian:
So God cherish human blood than animal blood? Does he drink it like a vampire? He could have just created an endless pool of blood to drink if He needs blood!



God needs no sacrifice!
1.
But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22

2.
Matthew 12:7
If only you had known the meaning of 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

3.
Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

4.
Hebrews 10:6
In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight.

5.
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require.

6.
Psalm 51:15-16
O Lord, open my lips, and my mouth will declare Your praise. For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.

Ken4christ abi all these bolded verses are lies?

Ken4Christ:


You can quote scriptures like this and you didn't see these verses below;

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

SIRTee15:


But they casted put demon in the name of the Lord

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Babalawo dey perform miracle in the name of Jesus?

Even Jesus didn't deny they performed the miracles in his name, he acknowledged that fact; He just wasn't having it.

The question is why? Because calling him Lord and doing miracle isn't enough.
To enter the kingdom of heaven, U have to do the will of the Father.

Matthew 7.21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


Now the question is Did Samson- the killing machine do the will of the Father or followed his own desire?
This should answer the question U looking for if U are honest.

AntiChristian:


The Lamb of God has been killed by Abraham! Na original lamb be that! Human being Jesus no be Lamb! No be only lamb na goat!



Same Matthew said:
Matthew 12:7
If only you had known the meaning of 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.



Is the writer of Hebrew confused?
[b]Hebrews 10:6
In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight.[/b]

Ken4Christ:


You are hopelessly confused.

AntiChristian:


Yes, many Babalawo give pastors juju. They bury items in the church premises to attract crowd! And the pastor will still call Jesus to heal.
Samson was doing the will of God by marrying a Philistine wife. (Judges 14:4 NIV)
That's why the Holy Spirit helped him with Power!

SIRTee15:


Samson wey dey commit fornication up and down, na him dey do the will of the Lord. Samson wey dey sleep with prostitute na that one dey follow God's commandments.

Samson’s Marriage Judges 14:1-4
Samson went down to Timnah and saw there a young Philistine woman. When he returned, he said to his father and mother, “I have seen a Philistine woman in Timnah; now get her for me as my wife.”

His father and mother replied, “Isn’t there an acceptable woman among your relatives or among all our people? Must you go to the uncircumcised Philistines to get a wife?”

But Samson said to his father, “Get her for me. She’s the right one for me.” (His parents did not know that this was from the Lord, who was seeking an occasion to confront the Philistines; for at that time they were ruling over Israel.)

Even Delilah is not his wife, na mistress. He carry woman for house without paying the bride price, is that what the law of Moses taught him?
Abeg, say better thing.
Samson wanted the power but not the responsibility and accountability that comes with it.
He wanted to be known as a might man but not
a righteous or holy man.

Samson knew so long as he kept the vow, the power will stay.
But he foolishly thought he could keep that vow by his own might rather than trust in God who established the covenant in the first place.
That was his downfall.

And above is why we need the new covenant we read about in the new testament.
U keep the law not by your might or power but by the spirit of Jesus at work in you.

At this junction, I'm 100% sure the story of Samson now makes sense to U.
But your stubbornness and blind faith in islam will not allow u acknowledge the truth.

AntiChristian:
I gave you the verses but you guys usually assume you know it all!





It keeps becoming more senseless to me.
In Judges 15:14 (I know you won't read it), Holy Spirit came powerfully on Samson again and he killed a thousand people with a jawbone

AntiChristian:
I gave you the verses but you guys usually assume you know it all!





It keeps becoming more senseless to me.
In Judges 15:14 (I know you won't read it), Holy Spirit came powerfully on Samson again and he killed a thousand people with a jawbone

SIRTee15:


Judges 16

One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her. 2 The people of Gaza were told, “Samson is here!” So they surrounded the place and lay in wait for him all night at the city gate. They made no move during the night, saying, “At dawn we’ll kill him.”

Ok they collected your wife from u and killed her. After overcoming her grief, is this next thing for a man of God to be doing?
So because have the manifestation of spirit of God in you, na to dey do anyhow?
I think Muslims are like Samson, once they triggered they go violent and extreme. No caution, no restrain.
Once the spirit of islam or Muhammed enters them, they can murder thousands, and won't feel bad about it.
So there u have it, antichristian Samson is Una me tor for Muslim world.

SIRTee15:


Ok let's make this a debate. That's the only way to go forward
Now let's start from the beginning.
What was the vow God established with Samson?
What was Samson expected to do by virtue of the movement with him and God AS PRONOUNCED BY THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.

AntiChristian:


Samson was not to touch strong wine or anything unclean!

So how does this explain how the holy spirit used him to kill a thousand, steal, etc?