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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A40(m): 11:31pm On Feb 16
GloriousGbola:
https://www.nairaland.com/8003003/crackdown-hoarding-frighten-investors-peterside
I know a witchhunt and sleight of hand move when I see one.

This is their way of scapegoating and not making the main thing the main thing. Even prior to the insecurity madness going on Nigeria has never been food sufficient. Imports have always been required to supplement what's on ground so shutting down borders without a backup plan is borderline ret@rded

Besides what nobody is talking about is what constitutes hoarding and how do they determine who and who is hoarding what? And this is where the witchhunt argument comes in. You can literally shutdown any merchant wey you no like him face without addressing the real problem

When I say APC are agents of poverty I'm not mincing words

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 12:02am On Feb 17
shocked....Economy hard!!!

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by odizeey(m): 12:02am On Feb 17
A40:
I know a witchhunt and sleight of hand move when I see one.

This is their way of scapegoating and not making the main thing the main thing. Even prior to the insecurity madness going on Nigeria has never been food sufficient. Imports have always been required to supplement what's on ground so shutting down borders without a backup plan is borderline ret@rded

Besides what nobody is talking about is what constitutes hoarding and how do they determine who and who is hoarding what? And this is where the witchhunt argument comes in. You can literally shutdown any merchant wey you no like him face without addressing the real problem

When I say APC are agents of poverty I'm not mincing words
Their plan is to kill, steal and destroy.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazzet: 12:51am On Feb 17
TrebleChamp:
Dayo supported Buhari failed Govt for 8years too, unless you are saying he supported that failed Govt for 8years because of Tinubu. I doubt his support for APC has anything to do with tribe .

cry cry
Clearly I failed woefully on this thread.
I cannot believe that some people here really believe that statement.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 2:25am On Feb 17
https://www.nairaland.com/8002849/army-arrests-dangote-trucks-3


CFA is flogging Naira wotowoto. All goods heading to Francophone countries for that sweet and stable French-backed CFA and Govt knows it.

Inflation has not yet caught up to Naira-CFA deterioration

CFA is up 3x on Naira in the last 12 months, and until price of goods triple in Nigeria to match, it will be more profitable to sell to Francophone neighbours. Same 1 CFA you got last year for selling to the Francophones is the same 1 CFA you will get now, but it's 3 times more valuable in Naira, meanwhile Nigerians are not ready to pay 3 times what they paid last year. . . . yet.

The unspoken message in Govt narrative of "hoarding" is recognition that wholesalers will rather sell to Cameroun, Chad, Niger or Benin

Allez Les Blues


. . . .

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 2:37am On Feb 17
Ibime:
https://www.nairaland.com/8002849/army-arrests-dangote-trucks-3


CFA is flogging Naira wotowoto. All goods heading to Francophone countries for that sweet and stable French-backed CFA and Govt knows it.

Inflation has not yet caught up to Naira-CFA deterioration

CFA has gained 300% on Naira in the last 12 months, and until inflation hits 300% in Nigeria to match, it will be more profitable to sell to Francophone neighbours. Same 1 CFA you got last year for selling to the Francophones is the same 1 CFA you will get now, but it's 3 times more valuable in Naira, meanwhile Nigerians are not ready to pay 3 times what they paid last year. . . . yet.

The unspoken message in Govt narrative of "hoarding" is recognition that wholesalers will rather sell to Cameroun, Chad, Niger or Benin

Allez Les Blues


. . . .


Wicked abroadian. Such an unfeeling post. cry
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 2:44am On Feb 17
afrodoc2:


Wicked abroadian. Such an unfeeling post. cry

I'm only observing. Popizaino is the one you should be holding. He is in the field, working against us.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 3:02am On Feb 17
Ibime:


I'm only observing. Popizaino is the one you should be holding. He is in the field, working against us.

Popi na wicked soul from time. Anybody wey wish Poch on him own team has to be a Sith.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 4:43am On Feb 17
Incognito9:


Monerozi5590 😆😆

This is from the same Ibime too.

"The common man is lucky that Tinubu or Pete[/b]r Obi did not replace Jonathan in 2015 otherwise they would have made you take the pain fully in 2015 since Jonathan did not leave any savings to cushion the pain like OBJ had left for him. Buhari is a socialist and kept up the standard of living with expensive subsidies and monetary policy within the means available to him. For what concerns the common man (inflation), Buhari actually protected them".


God bless Mai Gaskiya, God bless the honest man from Daura. May Buhari continue to live in good health. Amen.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:03am On Feb 17
Lee Kuan Yeuw 🔥

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Zwvy5tLEu/?igsh=MTdsYjF5ZDFiaHQ2Mw==

No be today dem don dey use Nigeria for bad example . This Nigeria has no business being one country since a long time ago.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 5:21am On Feb 17
BlueRayDick:
Lee Kuan Yeuw 🔥

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Zwvy5tLEu/?igsh=MTdsYjF5ZDFiaHQ2Mw==

No be today dem don dey use Nigeria for bad example . This Nigeria has no business being one country since a long time ago.

Lee Kuan Yew was a genius but it doesn’t take a genius to understand that this is the foundational problem that Nigeria faces.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:47am On Feb 17
afrodoc2:


Lee Kuan Yew was a genius but it doesn’t take a genius to understand that this is the foundational problem that Nigeria faces.

How we just manage the paper the cracks for over 60 years despite knowing the foundational problems ourselves still baffles me .


It is funny how foundational leaders like Awo, Zik and Ahmadu Bello all recognized our differences as a people ; are aware of the obstacle the differences pose to building a prosperous nation ; but somehow when it mattered most they focused on getting political power as individuals .

This week, our history series focuses on two years before Nigerian independence, when its post-British political fate was decided. Throughout 1958, Obafemi Awolowo ramped up his calls for Nigeria to be divided into more than three regions before independence. He stated colonialism meant the Yorubas, Igbos, Hausa-Fulanis and others had been “lumped together by our British overlords without the knowledge or consent of the people concerned, and with little or no regard to their cultural, linguistic and ethnological differences.”

Awo stated “there is more in common between a Greek villager and a British villager than there is between a Sokoto villager and an Ijaw villager.” While the Greeks and Brits shared a culture “derived more or less from the same source – Christianity – when you consider the relationship between the Sokoto man and the Ijaw man, where is the connection? There is none at all, either in language or in culture. They do not even derive their culture from the same source,” he argued.

Interestingly, though bitter political rivals, Ahmadu Bello shared Awo’s view on northern and southern Nigerians being fundamentally different. “They (southerners) get their civilisation from over the sea; we get ours from over the desert,” Bello told Manchester Guardian in 1956. He saw southerners as western-oriented while the north looked to the Islamic world for inspiration.

However, because Bello viewed the north as being in a dominant political position by the late 1950s, he was not overly worried about what would happen to his region in an independent Nigeria. In March 1958, he was confident enough to declare before the northern House of Chiefs that the aim of his “Northernisation” policy was to have “northerners gain control of everything in the country.” Nnamdi Azikiwe, meanwhile, argued that cultural differences between Nigerians were not an obstacle to nation-building.

Zik and Bello are famously said to have had a meeting at which Zik said to Bello, “Let us forget our differences” to which Bello responded, “No, let us understand our differences. I am a Muslim and a northerner. You are a Christian and an easterner.” This exchange encapsulates the vast difference in approach to Nigeria’s ethno-cultural diversity between Bello (and Awo) on the one hand, and Zik on the other. Awo and Bello were both clearly more realistic about what Nigeria was while Zik appeared to overestimate the ability of rhetoric to constitute reality.

It is worth mentioning that despite his strong opposition to Bello and northern elites, Awo approached not just NCNC for a coalition, but NPC as well. However, northern elites were so bitterly opposed to Awo, largely because of his consistent campaign to break up the north, that they ruled this out and chose NCNC instead



Nevertheless, having lost his battle for a reconfiguration of Nigeria before independence, Awo, like Bello and Zik, turned his focus to the all-important general election of 1959, which would determine who controlled Nigeria’s political centre after Britain left. Electioneering kicked off in earnest with Awo and other Action Group (AG) leaders crisscrossing Nigeria in helicopters, campaigning hard in the seat-rich north and in the east, where they hoped to make enough in-roads with regional minorities to be able win a majority at the centre.

https://businessday.ng/columnist/article/how-nigeria-walked-into-a-disastrous-independence-and-why-azikiwe-never-became-prime-minister/?amp=1

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 6:22am On Feb 17
BlueRayDick:


How we just manage the paper the cracks for over 60 years despite knowing the foundational problems ourselves still baffles me .


It is funny how foundational leaders like Awo, Zik and Ahmadu Bello all recognized our differences as a people ; are aware of the obstacle the differences pose to building a prosperous nation ; but somehow when it mattered most they focused on getting political power as individuals .



https://businessday.ng/columnist/article/how-nigeria-walked-into-a-disastrous-independence-and-why-azikiwe-never-became-prime-minister/?amp=1

Political shortsightedness or naivety.

Compare them to someone like Ali Jinnah who ensured that Pakistan gained independence separately from India, thereby avoiding a situation in which India was a house divided and at war with itself, with a Hindu majority oppressing a strong Muslim minority.

I think the difference is that Jinnah clearly saw that the Muslims would be dominated in a unified Indian subcontinent while each of those Nigerian leaders you mentioned probably underestimated the other groups and thought that his own group was superior and would rise to the top in a survival of the fittest situation. That most likely applies to Awo and the Sardauna. I suspect that Ziik was probably just an idealist and politically naive.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 6:30am On Feb 17
afrodoc2:


Political shortsightedness or naivety.

Compare them to someone like Ali Jinnah who ensured that Pakistan gained independence separately from India, thereby avoiding a situation in which India was a house divided and at war with itself, with a Hindu majority oppressing a strong Muslim minority.

I think the difference is that Jinnah clearly saw that the Muslims would be dominated in a unified Indian subcontinent while each of those Nigerian leaders you mentioned probably underestimated the other groups and thought that his own group was superior and would rise to the top in a survival of the fittest situation. That most likely applies to Awo and the Sardauna. I suspect that Ziik was probably just an idealist and politically naive.

I agree with u that Zik was an idealist through and through . He did less calculations and underestimated other subgroups . More like he was a fiery orator and idealist that's why he thought that much difference in culture, traditions and beliefs that exists between the north and the south is something that can be waived aside and a nation will be built therefrom
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by popizaino(m): 7:04am On Feb 17
Ibime:
https://www.nairaland.com/8002849/army-arrests-dangote-trucks-3


CFA is flogging Naira wotowoto. All goods heading to Francophone countries for that sweet and stable French-backed CFA and Govt knows it.

Inflation has not yet caught up to Naira-CFA deterioration

CFA is up 3x on Naira in the last 12 months, and until price of goods triple in Nigeria to match, it will be more profitable to sell to Francophone neighbours. Same 1 CFA you got last year for selling to the Francophones is the same 1 CFA you will get now, but it's 3 times more valuable in Naira, meanwhile Nigerians are not ready to pay 3 times what they paid last year. . . . yet.

The unspoken message in Govt narrative of "hoarding" is recognition that wholesalers will rather sell to Cameroun, Chad, Niger or Benin

Allez Les Blues


. . . .


Chocking evidence, yet someone will still call French evil.

I always tell anyone who cares to listen in CIV not to allow any smooth talking politician to push them against France. Anybody doing that is as evil as the word itself.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:12am On Feb 17
afrodoc2:


Political shortsightedness or naivety.

Compare them to someone like Ali Jinnah who ensured that Pakistan gained independence separately from India, thereby avoiding a situation in which India was a house divided and at war with itself, with a Hindu majority oppressing a strong Muslim minority.

I think the difference is that Jinnah clearly saw that the Muslims would be dominated in a unified Indian subcontinent while each of those Nigerian leaders you mentioned probably underestimated the other groups and thought that his own group was superior and would rise to the top in a survival of the fittest situation. That most likely applies to Awo and the Sardauna. I suspect that Ziik was probably just an idealist and politically naive.
BlueRayDick:


I agree with u that Zik was an idealist through and through . He did less calculations and underestimated other subgroups . More like he was a fiery orator and idealist that's why he thought that much difference in culture, traditions and beliefs that exists between the north and the south is something that can be waived aside and a nation will be built therefrom
No he wasn't. He was very smart and had his agenda. His moves in the first republic proves he wasn't

Awolowo had always shown open disdain for the North and will never see them as equals or partners he could work with, The North saw him as arrogant and were all too eager to humiliate him. One of Awolowo words was that "Kaka ka dobale fun Gambari, ka kuku roju ku" (It is better for him to endure till death than to take orders from, or kowtow to the Hausa-Fulani)

Zik on the flip side saw the opportunities that working with the North created for his people

What is the better deal than you can align with the not too educated North as a partners and fill all the posts all over the South with your kinsmen like Zik dreamed of. Bello and NPC held the North and all the key posts, Zik and NCNC allies held the entire South while the AG and Awo were opposition with nothing

Aligning with the North ensured that the West which had earlier rejected Azikwe's bid to be premier in the West was now the spoil for Zik and NCNC to consume and Zik did so with relish

There was a time University of Ibadan and University of Lagos both in SW had Kenneth Dike and Eni Njoku as VCs, Benefits of One Nigeria and aligning with the North until things went sour. Akintola broke that alignment of Zik with NPC. When the tenure of Njoku expired, Akintola ensured that he was replaced with Prof Biobaku

Which is why the pattern of the Jan 1966 killings were targeted at certain individuals

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:22am On Feb 17
raumdeuter:


No he wasn't. He was very smart and had his agenda. His moves in the first republic proves he wasn't

Awolowo had always shown open disdain for the North and will never see them as equals or partners he could work with, The North saw him as arrogant and were all too eager to humiliate him

Zik on the flip side saw the opportunities that working with the North created for his people

What is the better deal than you can align with the not too educated North as a partners and fill all the posts all over the South with your kinsmen like Zik dreamed of.[/b]Bello held the North and all the key posts, Zik and NCNC allies held the entire South while the AG and Awo were opposition with nothing

Aligning with the North ensured that the West which had earlier rejected Azikwe's bid to be premier in the West was now the spoil for Zik and NCNC to consume and Zik did so with relish

There was a time University of Ibadan and University of Lagos both had Kenneth Dike and Eni Njoku as VCs, Benefits of One Nigeria and aligning with the North until things went sour. Akintola broke that alignment of Zik with NPC. When the tenure of Njoku expired, Akintola ensured that he was replaced with Prof Biobaku

Which is why the pattern of the Jan 1966 killings were targeted at certain individuals

This is why I said Zik gives the aura of an idealist who was equally naive . That was the idea in his head , but that was not eventually played out. Ahmadu Bello's nothernization policy was practical and not some idealism that didn't play out as planned .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:44am On Feb 17
BlueRayDick:


This is why I said Zik gives the aura of an idealist who was equally naive . That was the idea in his head , but that was not eventually played out. Ahmadu Bello's nothernization policy was practical and not some idealism that didn't play out as planned .

I wont call that idealism rather opportunism. Like a man breeding a tiger with the hopes that the tiger will help fight his enemies. What will happen after the tiger finish your enemies and its hungry?

One Nigeria was Okay as long as Zik could dominate. When the cart was shaken few months later there was a coup to wipe out everyone who was perceived to have shaken it.

Awo suspected that the North would be a problem and a drag on the South and never wanted anything to do with them pre and post independence

Akintola was of the opinion that independence and destiny has tied us together with the north, we have to find a way to work with them otherwise we will be the loser

Both were right

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 7:49am On Feb 17
raumdeuter:


I wont call that idealism rather opportunism. One Nigeria was Okay as long as Zik could dominate. When the cart was shaken few months later there was a coup to wipe out everyone who was perceived to have shaken it.

Maybe idealism is not the word and maybe opportunism is also not the word. But it's obvious Zik miscalculated


As regards the coup , from the account of the coup I've read that wasn't the intention of the coupists. I'm talking of an account written by a soldier who was one of the 3 leaders ; Adewale Ademoyega .

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:54am On Feb 17
BlueRayDick:


Maybe idealism is not the word and maybe opportunism is also not the word. But it's obvious Zik miscalculated


As regards the coup , from the account of the coup I've read that wasn't the intention of the coupists. I'm talking of an account written by a soldier who was one of the 3 leaders ; Adewale Ademoyega .

Maybe that wasn't the intention of Ademoyega but he could only speak for himself and his intentions
Which will explain why Ademoyega did not kill anyone in the coup unlike the others

Plus the identity of the leaders murdered, the killing squad and those who escaped death were very convenient and I'll say suspicious

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:18am On Feb 17
raumdeuter:


Maybe that wasn't the intention of Ademoyega but he could only speak for himself and his intentions
Which will explain why Ademoyega did not kill anyone in the coup unlike the others

Ademoyega gave orders for people to be killed .
He gave order for the finance minsiter to be killed . He also gave orders for some military guys they arrested to be killed while they were fleeing from Ironsi.

What messed up their plan was not getting Ironsi and that was because some reactionary forces tipped Ironsi off.

Ademoyega broke everything down in his book. The army as at that time consisted of officers whom he divided into 3 distinct groups based on their ideologies .

The first group are officers who were hand in hand with the politicians . They are willing to do the bidding of the politicians and enjoy their largesse ( just like we have now ) .

The second group are reactionary officers who are either here nor there ; they are not interested in politics per se , they want to have their bread buttered and at the same time do not want to be disturbed by the wickedness of the political rulers ( this is the group Ironsi fell under ) .

The third group are the revolutionaries who hated the politicians , the corruption that comes with it and the senior military officers that gave them backbone to perpetuate their wickedness . This was the group the coupists belonged to. Their aim was to Eliminate the politicians and those officers that fall under group 1. Then they intend to arrest those that belong to group and keep them away ,while they restart the country afresh by transitioning to a new democracy where there will be consequences for corruption and other crimes perpetuated by the politicians in the first republic.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:22am On Feb 17
BlueRayDick:


Ademoyega gave orders for people to be killed .
He gave order for the finance minsiter to be killed . He also gave orders for some military guys they arrested to be killed while they were fleeing from Ironsi.

What messed up their plan was not getting Ironsi and that was because some reactionary forces tipped Ironsi off.

Ademoyega broke everything down in his book. The army as at that time consisted of officers whom he divided into 3 distinct groups based on their ideologies .

The first group are officers who were hand in hand with the politicians . They are willing to do the bidding of the politicians and enjoy their largesse ( just like we have now ) .

The second group are reactionary officers who are either here nor there ; they are not interested in politics per se , they want to have their bread buttered and at the same time do not want to be disturbed by the wickedness of the political rulers ( this is the group Ironsi fell under ) .

The third group are the revolutionaries who hated the politicians , the corruption that comes with it and the senior military officers that gave them backbone to perpetuate their wickedness . This was the group the coupists belonged to. Their aim was to Eliminate the politicians and those officers that fall under group 1. Then they intend to arrest those that belong to group and keep them away ,while they restart the country afresh by transitioning to a new democracy where there will be consequences for corruption and other crimes perpetuated by the politicians in the first republic.

you must aleays remember that when an individual writes an autobographicalAdemoyega book he is seeking to change the narrative to present himself in the best possible light.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 8:22am On Feb 17
FX is up,No power then why customs go still dey increase their rates....Then you go open mouth waaaaa say people are ripping customers and hoarding goods...Price control and locking up stores kee Una there!!!!

It shows these guys never ran successful business to relate, all they did was from school to political jobber roles, activism, some did drugs, others stole client's monies, etc

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:28am On Feb 17
raumdeuter:


Congratulations my Leader

Remember me in your kingdom

Don't let the curses I endured be in vain

Send contract come my side

grin

.........sẹ fẹ́ pá mi ni Ẹ̀gbọ́n mi Ọmọ Ilẹ̀ kaarọ Ojire. LOL!
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:30am On Feb 17
airmark:


Kudos to you.

However, your national party chairman left me unpaid for a contract done since 8 years ago, in Kano. Now, the new Governor of a different party, is unwilling to pay.

No politician will make heaven, I don't know if you are one.

grin

.......nah! I ain't an APC Member bruh. You can call me Batist, Agbadorian and so on but not APC Member. LOL!

Remember DonJ was once a Buharist, but never an APC Member. Some folks here are Obidients but never LP Members.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:30am On Feb 17
GloriousGbola:


you must aleays remember that when an individual writes an autobographicalAdemoyega broke everything down in his book. The army as at that time consisted of officers whom he divided into 3 distinct groups based on their ideologies . book he is seeking to change the narrative to present himself in the best possible light.

No, that's not what he did. He didn't sell the narrative they were the better out of the lot.

He admitted that some of the plans and ideas they had were lofty . He admitted to mistakes they made .

He was very open in his manner of writing and he didn't try to compel the reader to be sympathetic with them (the coupists ) , nor see things from their point of view only .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:30am On Feb 17
grin

.........make I pin this one here. 📌📌📌📌📌📌

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:37am On Feb 17
monerozi5590:


This is from the same Ibime too.

"The common man is lucky that Tinubu or Pete[/b]r Obi did not replace Jonathan in 2015 otherwise they would have made you take the pain fully in 2015 since Jonathan did not leave any savings to cushion the pain like OBJ had left for him. Buhari is a socialist and kept up the standard of living with expensive subsidies and monetary policy within the means available to him. For what concerns the common man (inflation), Buhari actually protected them".


God bless Mai Gaskiya, God bless the honest man from Daura. May Buhari continue to live in good health. Amen.

grin

..................Moneriza ma G.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Realmrsean: 8:38am On Feb 17
OasisX:
grin

.........make I pin this one here. 📌📌📌📌📌📌
blame everyone but himself sad

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:39am On Feb 17
grin

.......Pastor Iyamu ain't wanna be like JK or Alhaji Atiku. LOL!

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:40am On Feb 17
Realmrsean:
blame everyone but himself sad

grin

.....Kalu is an Obidients tier one rated Economic Guru on X. PBAT didn't make the post but Kalu bruh.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 8:49am On Feb 17
Shey DSS no go find and invite this brilliant young aboki chap like this,see as strays dey touch tinubu,"with all his charisma cannot handle this country",his supporters and APC defenders on this thread and monerozi.....

He wants thunder to strike our politicians and them all gathered in one aeroplane and it get crashed....omo,who be the boy teacher or corper wey groom this boy


https://twitter.com/OneJoblessBoy/status/1758469204582220259?t=ooGbV29C8GGgBws_Pbk_EA&s=19

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