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Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 8:35pm On Feb 18 |
I read a book from Evang. Kenneth Hagin, where he said that his wife was supposed to be operated for 'goiter' disease. So he decided to pray and jesus appeared to him saying that accordng to divine plan, his wife was supposd to die when operated for the disease, but because he prayed she would live. I studied the Bible further. In 2kings20:1-7, hezekiah prayed and GOD added 15yrs to him even after initially giving him a dead sentence. Even Jesus when overcome with sorrow at some point asked if God could change his will.(matt26:34) In Gen18:26-32, Abraham negotiated with God to spare sodom and gomorah, assuming there were 50 good people in it. And God consented. In Jonah3:10, God changed his mind from destroying Neniveh when they repented. God also wanted to destroy Isreal and start another race through moses, but moses pleaded and the bible says God changed his mind. (Exo32:14) These are few Scriptures that imply its possible to change God's plan through prayers. What's do you think? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 8:38pm On Feb 18 |
A Omniscience god can't make NEW decisions. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 8:44pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1:God's one and only "divine" Law to men at this time is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ never said there are those who could not be healed. Your Kenneth Hagin is nothing but a storyteller. The fact that He suggests that Jesus Christ appeared to Him, this after God of Israel made clear that He put a seal on Prophets and visions over 1900 years ago is clear proof your man is a con man. ![]() 2. God never changes His mind regarding His Law/Covenant. That is what it means when in Scripture it is stated that God never changes His mind nor lies. God can choose to give suffering to a man and then take that suffering away from him much later, as in the case of the man called Job. That is not God changing His mind or God telling a lie. Rather is it the working of God according to His Law. Everything God does aligns with His Law — He is holy and faithful to His Covenant and Law. ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 8:47pm On Feb 18 |
Kobojunkie:how come Yahweh regretted making Saul a king and later changed his mind to appoint David? Also the job story is an allegory, it's not historical. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Ynix(m): 8:54pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1: The word God in the Bible is primarily the word Elohim meaning Judge and I believe you know that prayer is a legal term that has to do with soliciting and requesting a Lord to provide mercy. So that means prayers can change God's mind or plan about something That is why a particular verse encourage us to bring our strong reasons |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 9:00pm On Feb 18 |
Ynix:According to Scripture, God answers ALL — not some— of the prayers of the righteous; He does not answer any of the prayers of the unrighteous. And Scripture also declares that God always answers the prayers of the Righteous in the affirmative. But here you are implying that Scripture is wrong about God as you insist that your prayers can cause God of Israel to change His mind regarding that which He declared in His Everlasting Law, is that so? ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 9:06pm On Feb 18 |
Kobojunkie:Your god needs to listen to Jesus. Luke 6:32-36 “But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:13pm On Feb 18 |
Kobojunkie:Please what Bible portion says God puts a seal on prophets and visions? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:19pm On Feb 18 |
Maynthemayn:You completely ignored the scriptures i quoted. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 9:21pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1:I'm not talking about the god in your scriptures. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:22pm On Feb 18 |
Ynix:i would love to know this Bible portion. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:25pm On Feb 18 |
Maynthemayn:Which God are you talking about? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 9:25pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1:Daniel 9 vs 24 Visions and Prophets were specifically a part of God's Old Law of Moses - Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6. And God of Israel made it clear that at the time of the final destruction of Jerusalem in the land of Judea, approximately 500 years after the rebuilding of Jerusalem had begun, He would bring to an end the period of prophets and associated visions and prophecies. ![]() Jesus Christ never promised His followers visions and prophecies in the Covenant which He gave to them. Rather, what Jesus Christ gave His followers is a Helper to guide, and reveal His Truth, etc. ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Bestbrain123(m): 9:26pm On Feb 18 |
Changing of mind is different from changing of law.. Don't miss interprete both. Again God is not animal that have mind.. nor human that have reason.. God is inexplaineable.. only his law tries to define him.. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 9:26pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1:Any god that is omniscience. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:36pm On Feb 18 |
Kobojunkie:Do you read your Bible at all. Act2:27 In the last days i would Pour out my spirit on all flesh, your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams. Haven't you seen this scripture before? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:37pm On Feb 18 |
Yes and No! |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 9:43pm On Feb 18 |
Dtruthspeaker:You mean sometimes he changes his mind and sometimes he doesn't? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 9:48pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1:Here's a simple question for you to ponder. How does God's decision to make prophets of all sons and daughters in the land of Judah during the last days — they were unholy sinners in the land at the time— change the fact that the same God of Israel proclaimed that He would put a seal on prophets and visions at the end of the last days in the land of Judah? ![]() God detests the closeminded. ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:52pm On Feb 18 |
Jackanda1: Yep. Eg when He Said nations would inslave Isreal and after that, He changed His mind. Compared to when He said David's child shlall die! |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Ynix(m): 2:30am On Feb 19 |
Jackanda1:Isaiah 42:21 Present your case,” says the LORD. “Submit your arguments,” says the King of Jacob ~ Berean Standard Version |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 2:58am On Feb 19 |
Ynix:Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!! What aspect of the passage below which is Isaiah 42 when taken in context says any of what you have alluded to on this thread? ![]() 18 “Deaf people, listen to me! Blind people, look and see!The above is God of Israel scolding the people of Israel who would not listen to Him nor do as He had commanded of them, all before He then used the Assyrian army to destroy the nation of Israel during the period around 720BC. ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Maynthemayn: 7:08am On Feb 19 |
Kobojunkie:Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!. So why not read the next chapters? |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Jackanda1(m): 8:28am On Feb 19 |
Dtruthspeaker:I would love to see the Scripture for that first one. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Ynix(m): 10:13am On Feb 19 |
Kobojunkie: Negative critic and ITK, does that negate the fact that I said God means Judge, did I in any way that they were being scolded. It's unfortunate you are showing your emptiness 1 Like |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:14am On Feb 19 |
Jackanda1: Deuteronomy 28 see 63 upwards (expulsion, slavery and captivity. jeremiah 30:10 and other scripture, is the revocation of that Curse. |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:20am On Feb 19 |
God doesn't plan rather he purposes this means if you know His purpose and you make yourself available to support His purpose He will change some things for your sake! |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 1:15pm On Feb 19 |
Ynix:God means Judge? Are you for real? So if a mother said those words of her sons you would equally come up with the conclusion that mother means Judge? ![]() Una reasoning dey tire person abeg! ![]() |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Ynix(m): 1:55pm On Feb 19 |
Kobojunkie: Your analogy doesn't fall in at all. Go and study and come back stop using common sense. let me give you hints, check out for Hebrew Translation for Elohim and stop disgracing yourself |
Re: Can Prayer Change God's Mind or plan? by Kobojunkie: 1:59pm On Feb 19 |
Ynix:God scolded His chosen people in the passage you quoted, and from that you concluded God means judge. So why does the same idea not work when a mother scolds her beloved children? The analogy was made by your person and not me. That it fails when applied in another case means your conclusion made no sense from the beginning. ![]() |
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