When asked by someone im.South Africa if he should send any of his wives away, because he is now born again, Oyakhilome said no, he should not do that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SAL-4G_cwY&t=3s

Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

Ance4Liverpool:
Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

That'a not the issue at hand. The issue is that it is not only wrong, but ungodly to put aside any of your wives because you claim you are now born again.

The bible never said that, christians ahould aeriously ask themselves where they got that idea from that a man should out aside one of his wives if he become born again.

Is it not a sin to do what God has not tod you to do? why christians accept to teach that falsehood is what is beyond me.

If you disagree with Oyakhilome, then put forward your arguement and show that they are superior to his. That is fair enough, right?

CHRISTIANITY AND POLYGAMY

Did our LORD JESUS CHRIST ever request that a man who is married to more than one wife before he is converted divorce the other wife/wives, leaving only the first one?

NO. Our LORD JESUS CHRIST never said that.

Indeed, our LORD JESUS CHRIST never said this, contrary to what many today are preaching, hereby making several families commit adultery which our LORD JESUS CHRIST warned us against in His teachings.

The Bible indeed says:

Ecclesiastes 9:9 Live joyfully with the 'wife' whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

This perhaps is what many misquoted, hereby concluding that a Christian must never take more than a wife:

Matthew 19:3-6 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

If this be, we all know there are no other genders created by GOD other than male and female. So GOD has only approved that a male marries a female just as GOD had ordained and speculated marriage.

GOD is therefore not against Christians marrying more than one wife. The 'one-man-one-wife' charge given as mentioned in the Bible, which was misquoted by many preachers today was by Paul, unto:

Bishops:

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

And to Deacons:

1 Timothy 3:12
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

And today, not all Christians are Bishops and/or Deacons.

Because, no minister of GOD will be able to properly control two families under him without getting distracted and even offended, which is mainly due to jealousy and misunderstanding among the respective families, under each wife if they happen not to be united.

If you know you can not cater for, take care of, or train your family properly, 'DO NOT ATTEMPT' to take more than one wife. For, your wife/wives and children need your training, love, care, and attention every wife/wives and children deserve to have and make a loving and peaceful home.

What our LORD JESUS CHRIST spoke against is divorce for no tangible reason except for infidelity.

Matthew 5:31-32 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mark 10:12
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

For GOD is not against polygamy. If GOD had been against polygamy, He wouldn't have said the following to king David as sent by prophet Nathan:

2 Samuel 12:7-8 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Where GOD warned about too many wives is this, and it is to kings, and it is for their heart not to turn away from GOD:

Deuteronomy 17:14-18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:

So, there is no place in the Bible where GOD instructs any Christian to never take more than one wife or that he who already has more than one wife to send the others away and retain his first only because he is now converted.

Therefore, never let misleaders mislead you to send away your wife or wives because you're now converted and made a child of GOD. Keep your family intact and fed by GOD'S word and not human self-made doctrines.

And if you have been misled by self-made doctrines to send away your wife/wives because you have been converted and now a Christian, if your wife/wives is/are still within your reach and not married, go and reconcile with her/them. They are yours and belongs to you by the right of marriage and matrimony.

And if you're a second wife, never try to divorce your husband because hee is now converted or because you're now converted because you're his wife by right of matrimony. Rather serve the LORD with your husband and your family because you all are one and must not be separated by human self-made doctrines.

And to the young man or woman planning to marry, I will never advise you go into polygamy because you may not be able to handle it. Rather, stick to your wife and or husband and raise a happy home. No cheating, underlooking, undermining nor disrespecting one another.

Let those who have been into polygamy already before their conversion keep their family as well. Let no one be forced into adultery because of self made doctrines.

I hope you understand this though.

Westerhoffe:
I have write up on this topic.

care to share?

Ance4Liverpool:
Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

He is correct here..They are already in it whether they keep them or send them away.

Dtruthspeaker:


He is correct here..They are already in it whether they keep them or ssnd them away.

Not to mention that sending anyone away woild create a social problem. Why are christians who.hold this idiotic opinion, an opinion WHICH IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE CHRISTIAN GOD, hell-bent on giving christianity a bad name?

MiddleDimension:

Not to mention that sending anyone away woild create a social problem.

Exactly! Meanwhile, they are the ones who have created the problem.

MiddleDimension:

Why are christians who.hold this idiotic opinion, an opinion WHICH IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE CHRISTIAN GOD, hell-bent on giving christianity a bad name?

You mean churchgoers. Christians know the mind of God.

And for most churchgoers, they speak from their mad sin fuelled position because the Truth is that they wanted 700 wives and 300 siderunbbish but because, they cannot they are craftily trying to stop others who can acquire them from having them so that they are not jelous and full of envy.

And for the remainder, they just do not care to know God and are even too lazy to try, so they.take the shortcut.

Dtruthspeaker:


Exactly! Meanwhile, they are the ones who have created the problem.



You mean churchgoers. Christians know the mind of God.

And for most churchgoers, they speak from their mad sin fuelled position because the Truth is that they wanted 700 wives and 300 siderunbbish but because, they cannot they are craftily trying to stop others who can acquire them from having them so that they are not jelous and full of envy.

And for the remainder, they just do not care to know God and are even too lazy to try, so they.take the shortcut.

@bolded, who created which problem?

MiddleDimension:


@bolded, who created which problem?

You said "sending anyone away woild create a social problem"

Pastor Chris was not born again when he sent his own wife away.

Oooh, i see...

Dtruthspeaker:


You said "sending anyone away woild create a social problem"

ok

but polygamy is not a problem either by bible/god standard or social standard.

Negroid001:
Pastor Chris was not born again when he sent his own wife away.

Oooh, i see...

he never sent his wife away, and there is evidence that the wife filed for divorce, not him.

MiddleDimension:


he never sent his wife away, and there is evidence that the wife filed for divorce, not him.

Christians are not meant to divorce except on grounds of infidelity.
So Chris cheated on Anita, hmmmmnnn. I see.

Person wey him wife leave am dey advise another man make e no leave him wife.
Blind dey lead blind.

Negroid001:


Christians are not meant to divorce except on grounds of infidelity.
So Chris cheated on Anita, hmmmmnnn. I see.

Person wey him wife leave am dey advise another man make e no leave him wife.
Blind dey lead blind.

There is no evidence he cheated on Anita. Also, he was not accused of infidelity.

But isn't it ironic that christians, a people who believe divorce is anathema, should now advocate that a man divorces any of his wives because he became 'born again'? #Think

MiddleDimension:


There is no evidence he cheated on Anita. Also, he was not accused of infidelity.

But isn't it ironic that christians, a people who believe divorce is anathema, should now advocate that a man divorces any of his wives because he became 'born again'? #Think

You too think.
Preachers should lead by example.
Someone with a failed marriage shouldn't be giving marital advice.

Negroid001:


You too think.
Preachers should lead by example.
Someone with a failed marriage shouldn't be giving marital advice.

untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that way! 2 Tim 2:13. He also gave counsel through the mouth of a donkey, Balaam's donkey; and the bible says a 'sinner' is worth more than billions of donkeys, correct?

MiddleDimension:


untrue in christianity.

The reason is: the minister is the mouth puece of god. The bible says: when the time comes, do not bother about what to say for it will be given to you by the spirit of god. matt 10: 19-
20.

So, your god giving you the right counsel through the mouth of any preacher, is not about the preacher's sanctity, but about god's faithfulness that he will give you counsel when you need it. He says even when you are unfaithful, I will always be faithfu anf cannot change from being that wayl! 2 Tim 2:13

Keep on twisting the bible to quote what isn't there. If you like listen to the advice of the fake prophet telling you not to divorce someone that will ruin you. Wetin do am wey him wife leave am.

You've not given a valid explanation. You're just quoting nonsense.

Negroid001:


Keep on twisting the bible to quote what isn't there. If you like listen to the advice of the fake prophet telling you not to divorce someone that will ruin you. Wetin do am wey him wife leave am.

You've not given a valid explanation. You're just quoting nonsense.

Ok, so lets define some of the strong terms you used to describe my response to you.

To twist: to change information so that it gives the message you want it to give, especially in a way that is dishonest

Also,
Nonsense: spoken or written words that have no meaning or make no sense.

So, point to what I have said, and show to the world how it is a 'twisting' of the bible, or how it is 'nonsense'!

Show, if you can, how a second wife can ruin anyone? If anything, according to the bible, the son of a second wife, Rachel, is the reason why Jacob and his entire family got saved at the time of famine and distress.

Incase you feel oh ''Rachel was the 'original' wife and that's why her son was the one who saved Jacob at his point if need'', well, let me tell you that the son of Leah, the first wife, Judah, was not just the lineage Jesus came from, but he is also the root word for which the people of Israel and their religion became known: Judaism, Jew!

The fact that Jesus came through leah, means that Jacob's marriage to Leah was blessed ny God! Bible says in Luke: ''blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' By saying so, the bible is basically saying: Jesus' lineage is blessed, including his paternal side which goes up to Leah, the first wife of Jacob!
@DTruthSeeker @Donnie @Joagbaje

MiddleDimension:



To twist: to change information so that it gives the message you want it to give, especially in a way that is dishonest

Also,
Nonsense: spoken or written words that have no meaning or make no sense.

So, point to what I have said, and show to the world how it is a 'twisting' of the bible, or how it is 'nonsense'!

Show, if you can, how a second wife can ruin anyone? If anything, according to the bible, the son of a second wife, Rachel, is the reason why Jacob and his entire family got saved at the time of famine and distress.

Incase you feel oh ''Rachel was the 'original' wife and that's why he son was the one to save Jacob at his point if need'', well, let me tell you that the son of Leah, the first wife, Judah, was not just the lineage Jesus came from, but he is also the root word for which the people of Israel and their religion became known: Judaism, Jew!

The fact that Jesus came through leah, means that Jacob's marriage to Leah was blessed ny God! Bible says in Luke: ''blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' By saying so, the bible is basically saying: Jesus' lineage is blessed, including his paternal side which goes up to Leah, the first wife of Jacob!
@DTruthSeeker @Donnie @Joagbaje

Your typo is incoherent. Try structuring your words well. Too lengthy, go straight to the point. Make it short.

Negroid001:


Your typo is incoherent. Try structuring your words well. Too lengthy, go straight to the point. Make it short.

Why do you have the habit of throwing words around, words whose meaning you do not know!

What is incoherent about what I wrote?

I started by giving a definition some of thw strong terms you used to describe the response of mine you quoted originally, and then proceeded to ask you to SHOW US how those words you chose describe my r
post.

From there, I also asked you to show us how a second wife can ruin you. Lacking any cogent counter response, you resorted to ad hominems.

also, I find it unfortunate that the one who seeks understanding is finding it hard to go through a robust response when it is provided him. C'mon, don't be lazy; no matter how large it is. The bible says ''Study to show yourself approved; a workman...rightly dividing the word of faith.

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MiddleDimension:


Why do you have the habit of throwing words around, words whose meaning you do not know!

What is incoherent about what I wrote?

I started by giving a definition some of thw strong terms you used to describe the response of mine you quoted originally, and then proceeded to ask you to SHOW US how those words you chose describe my r
post.

From there, I also asked you to show us how a second wife can ruin you. Lacking any cogent counter response, you resorted to ad hominems.

You've strayed from the main topic. I said a divorced pastor shouldn't be giving marital advice.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Christ the first woman is the wife of your youth any other woman that comes in is an intruder whether she has babies or not so when you become a Christian you must stop sleeping with any other woman except the wife of your youth which is your first wife!

In Christianity return everything we have stolen the other women are stolen since your first wife is still alive!

There no where christ said the first woman is the only and true wife. And no, the second or anyother wife is mot an 'intruder'! It is important what you believe about a thing, is in line with the mind of your God concerning that thing; that is why in Acts of Apostles 10, god told Peter, do not call unclean what I have made clean! You are suppose to be like God himself, when it comes your perspective on things, afterall, you are partakers of devine nature 2 Peter 1:4. If you are not like your god in your perspective of things, then you will be sinning!

As far as God is concerned and can be seen in the bible, Polygamy is not only right for the christian, God also blesses it!

He told David ''I gave you your master's wives unto your bosom...'' 2 sam 23 vs 8.

To show to you he blesses polygamy, the son of Rachel, was the one who brought Jacob succur at the time of trouble! Joseph solution to the famine Jacob and his entire famiky would have suffered.

and juat incase you feel Rachel was suppose to be the first wife since Jacob originally intendes to marry her over Leah, well, I will let you know that God also BLESSED Leah's marriage to Jacob by choosing her offspring to be the line through which Jeaus was going to be descended. The Bible says in Luke ''Blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' Luke 11: 27-28

MiddleDimension:


There no where christ said the first woman is the only and true wife. And no, the second or anyother wife is mot an 'intruder'! It is important what you believe about a thing, is in line with the mind of your God concerning that thing; that is why in Acts of Apostles 10, god told Peter, do not call unclean what I have made clean! You are suppose to be like God himself, when it comes your perspective on things, afterall, you are partakers of devine nature 2 Peter 1:4. If you are not like your god in your perspective of things, then you will be sinning!

As far as God is concerned and can be seen in the bible, Polygamy is not only right for the christian, God also blesses it!

He told David ''I gave you your master's wives unto your bosom...'' 2 sam 23 vs 8.

To show to you he blesses polygamy, the son of Rachel, was the one who brought Jacob succur at the time of trouble! Joseph solution to the famine Jacob and his entire famiky would have suffered.

and juat incase you feel Rachel was suppose to be the first wife since Jacob originally intendes to marry her over Leah, well, I will let you know that God also BLESSED Leah's marriage to Jacob by choosing her offspring to be the line through which Jeaus was going to be descended. The Bible says in Luke ''Blessed is the womb that bore you, the breast that suckled you...'' Luke 11: 27-28

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Negroid001:


You've strayed from the main topic. I said a divorced pastor shouldn't be giving marital advice.

No, a divorced pastor SHOULD give marriage advice. You know why?

Because the counsel you recieve from your ordained ministers in their capacity as priests or prophets, has got nothing to do with their sanctity as individuals (that is if at all getting a divorce can make anyone unclean in the sight of the lord), but has everything to do with god's promise to you that he will be there for you in your time of need. The bible says even if you are unfaithful, he will always be faithful because who he is, is not dependent on.who you are. 2 Tim 2:13. He also told the ministers not to worry about what to say when you, Negroid001, goes to them to seek advice on issues. He said whatever they will say will be given to them because what they will speak will not be their own words, but the spirit of god speaking through them. Matt 10:19-20.

MaxInDHouse:


Please mention one polygamist Christian in the Bible!

Well, if Paul told Timothy in one of his letters to him that a bishop should be the husband of one wife, then it is because there were homes among the early christians communities that were polygamous.

At this point, you may say ''aha, if polygamy were christian, why would Paul advice that a bishop be the husband of onl bone wife?''

Well, to that, I will answer that the reason Paul said so is because he thinks the work of God is something stressfull that needs time and energy. He did not mean to say that polygamy is anathema to the christian god! That one needs time and energy, is something Oyedepo also alluded to when he talked about putting in place a succession plan, that the work needs energy and time to carry out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jlBAjl_48&t=430s&pp=ygUXb3llZGVwbyBzdWNjZXNzaW9uIHBsYW4%3D

If Paul did not mean it the way I just explained, he would have made a requirement for all the believers, but no, he specifically mentioned Bishops; bishops have huge responsibilities in the church! Oh, what can make a bishop ritually unclean and what can make the ordinary christian unclean, are two different things? While the bishop and the laity have different roles to play, they are individual souls in the faith such that what is sinful if one does it, will be sinful as well if the other does it.

So, when Paul said that, he was only respecting the family unit and does not want to over burden it. He made this very clear in Corinthians when he said: ''...he who marries will have so much troubles in this life and he would rather spare you theese troubles'' 1 Cor 7:28. In verse 31 and 32, he explained that a married man is distracted by the cares of life (echoing the what I told you about earlier when I said Paul gave Timothy that instruction not because he thinks polygamy is wrong, but because he did not want to over burden the man). He also said that an unmarried man concerns himself with the things of the lord. So for Paul, he would rather you are not even married at all, so that you can dedicate all your time to the work; but if you must marry and also do temge heavy work of a bishop, then you shoul carry the minimum marital reaponsibility of monogamy. Read the whole of 1 Cor chapter 7 for context.


Again to answer your question, for Paul to twlk that to Timothy, it shows among the members of his church, were polygamous homes.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Christ the first woman is the wife of your youth any other woman that comes in is an intruder whether she has babies or not so when you become a Christian you must stop sleeping with any other woman except the wife of your youth which is your first wife!

In Christianity return everything we have stolen the other women are stolen since your first wife is still alive!

Also, Paul vehemently disagrees with you that you should divorce any of your wives when you became born again.

1Cor 7 vs 20
''Each of you SHOULD REMAIN AS YOU WERE WHEN YOU ACCEPTED GOD'S CALL. IF YOU ARE A SLAVE REMAIN A SLAVE, IF YOU ARE UNCIRCUMCISED, REMAIN UNCIRCUMSIZED, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE, MAINTAIN IT THAT WAY''

The in Galatians 1 vs 8-12, he said: if anyone teaches you anything different (like you have believed many of your ignorant pastors tell you to divorce one wife), let him be accursed!

@Paxonel,

@DTruthSeeker calls this response of mine fraudulent. What do you think?

MiddleDimension:
ok

but polygamy is not a problem either by bible/god standard or social standard.

Isn't immorality, no just is and cheating a problem?

MiddleDimension:

Also, Paul vehemently disagrees with you that you should divorce any of your wives when you became born again.

1Cor 7 vs 20
''Each of you SHOULD REMAIN AS YOU WERE WHEN YOU ACCEPTED GOD'S CALL. IF YOU ARE A SLAVE REMAIN A SLAVE, IF YOU ARE UNCIRCUMCISED, REMAIN UNCIRCUMSIZED, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE, MAINTAON IT THAT WAY'' ..

This is fraudulent. Accepting A call is not the same as "'Calling".

Dtruthspeaker:


This is fraudulent. Accepting A call is not the same as "'Calling".

care to elaborate?

Dtruthspeaker:


Isn't immorality, no ust is and cheating a problem?

Non of that describes polygamy