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Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 10:57pm On Mar 08 |
MiddleDimension: And not one of them was praised or honoured by God. That clearly shows you God's mind. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by paxonel(m): 10:57pm On Mar 08 |
Oyakhilome is absolutely right here 2 Likes |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 11:00pm On Mar 08 |
MiddleDimension: You did not ask me to describe polygamy but to show the problems arising out of polygee. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 11:04pm On Mar 08 |
MiddleDimension: A person can be called yet he does not accept eg Moses. A person can accept yet he is not called or is delusional as to his calling and who he imagines called him. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Negroid001(m): 11:11pm On Mar 08 |
MiddleDimension: I get your point. I'm not religious. Imaginary principles don't work for me. But i get what you're trying to say now. I want to ask a question. Would you let a surgeon with mortality rate consult for you, let's assume you have a life threatening emergency? |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 12:27am On Mar 09 |
Dtruthspeaker: No, God's mind is clear from the old testament into the new: that polygamy is right in his sight, and that he blesses it. If the new testament did not mention anyone in particular in new testament time, and ''praise him for polygamy'', then it is because non of the books of the new testament can be classified as a history book. It is only in the history books of the bible you see mention of individuals and the basic interpersonal politics that happened with and around them in which virtues could be seen. The new testament consist of the synoptic gospels (the life of Jesus), the acts of apostles (an account of the movement of the holy spirit among christians), the epistles (letters written mainly by the apostles to address specific issues, and when it came to addressing the issue of what to change after getting born again, it says you should remain as you are even if you have more than one wife), and the apocalypsis (an escathology). So, you can see there is no history book there and that's why you cannot find what you asked. But in the old testament, there is the Pentatuch (a somewhat historical account of the hebrews in eapecially with genesis and exodus). You also have other hisorical books like Judges, 1&2 sam, 1&2 kings, 1&2 chronicles, Esther, Joshua, Ruth, Ezra and Nehemiah. It is in books like these you see mention of individuals and the interpersonal politics that played around them, which presents us with an opoortunity to see the virtues in these individuals, virtues God rained praises on. He said of David, ''he is a man after my heart! Men who had polygamous homes and who's virtues god extoled did not stop with David; the list include Moses (Exodus 33 vs 17). He says about Moses: ''I will do everything you have asked, because I am pleased with you and know you by name''. Of Gideon, he said: ''The lord is with you, brave and mighty man''. He said this even though ''Gideon had 70 sons because he had many wives''. Gideon was one of the people referenced in Hebrew 11 as a role model for faith. In other non history books in the old testament, you don't see mention of individuals who had more than one wife, and were extoled for their virtues. Books of songs and wisdom like psalm, proverb, eclesiastes, Lamentation, etc did not have such accounts even though they are in the old testament. Books like the prophetic books also do not have auch accoubts as well because they are not history books. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 12:28am On Mar 09 |
paxonel: especially when Paul said in 1 cor 7 that you need to remain as you were when you accepted God's call. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 12:31am On Mar 09 |
Dtruthspeaker: The God's call mentioned in that part of the bible is not a call to priesthood, but the basic call to repentace and chriatianity. In Revelations, it says: behold I stand at the door of your heart and knock; who ever opens, I will come in. So, what I said there stands. 2 Likes |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 12:33am On Mar 09 |
Negroid001: Except that this is not a surgeon's case; it is a christian case. NB: I am an atheist 2 Likes |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 12:42am On Mar 09 |
Dtruthspeaker: How is immorality, injustice and cheating a problem associates with polygamy? |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:01am On Mar 09 |
MiddleDimension:. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 11:33am On Mar 09 |
MiddleDimension: I hate it when people pretend to not know what we all know, they already know because they adults. https://www.nairaland.com/7100986/polygamous-family-share-experiences#112347399 https://www.nairaland.com/7129075/women-wives-major-problem-polygamous#112880152 Women (Wives) Are The Major Problem In Polygamous Homes by Belafonte(m): 10:14am On May 16, 2022 So, I've been reading about how polygamous homes are so bad and what not. I read about some people's fantastic and tragic experiences Klass99: A guy shared his personal story here, not too long ago - it wasn't nice. His step mother was diabolical and raped him when he was about 11 years old (If I remember correctly) she drugged him through food & drink first, which immobilized him then they took him to the bedroom where step-mother put something on his penis and massaged it to get an erection then she mounted him and was chanting some stuff while riding him. When the step mother was done, the friend did the same thing to him. Down the line, the same step mother tried to kill him via a poisoned drink, that guy's story wasn't nice at all. On her death bed, she confessed to other things they weren't even aware of. Why do people bother with polygamy? I haven't heard one good story from people who grew up in polygamous settings. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 11:49am On Mar 09 |
MiddleDimension: We know. But the question will always be did God call you? or do you imagine it? or you are lying to us that He called you when in Truth He did not or has not? |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MightySparrow: 12:16pm On Mar 09 |
MaxInDHouse: These GB doctrinal nonsense self. Give scriptural examples. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Dtruthspeaker: 12:17pm On Mar 09 |
MiddleDimension: You have said all these before and it did not hold water for except Moses who did not have 2 wives but only.1 wife, an act of which.occurred in the presence of The Lord and The Lord Spoke with him until his death, no time do you see God praise any one of these or talk with them after their breach. So you are just advocating the doing of sin like those who advocate for homo, tattoo, whoring etc |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:54pm On Mar 09 |
MightySparrow:. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 5:17pm On Mar 09 |
MaxInDHouse: What bunkum! But I thought you Jehovah's withnesses claim you don't believe whatever is not in the bible. See sola scriptura vs sola fidei debate. but here you are, cooking things up yourself, and presenting it like it is the word of the lord. There is NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD SAID A MAN WHO HAS MIRE THAN ONE WIFE SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH THE OTHER WIVES. HE NEVER TOLD DAVID, NOR DID HE TELL GIDEON, MOSES, JACOB, OR ANY OF THE CHRISTIANS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHO HAD MORE THAN ONE WIFE. I really thought as a sola scriptura believing christians that witnesses are, they would insist on what is said by god, in the bible, and not try to bring up their views and present it like it is god's position on issues. This is what God frowned at Peter on when he told him in Acts 10 that he should not call unclean what he himself considers clean. MaxInDHouse: First of all, lets look at monogamies in the bible and see if these ''problems'' exist. Adam and Eve Adam and Eve was a mogamous marriage yet, we could find all the things you listed above in dangerously high levels! Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to god and the bible says Cain became FURIOUS and SCOWLED in ANGER! (gen 4:5). His anger reached such a dangerous level that god had to warn him to be careful. God said: ''because you have done evil, SIN IS CROUCHING AT YOUR DOOR AND IT WANTS TO RULE YOU, BUT YOU MUST OVERCOME IT.''. Because the anger and jealousy was so great, he turned around and did the worst: KILL ABEL! That's case No1. Case No2: Isaac and Rebecca This is another monogamy, whose ONLY CHILDREN were TWINS, and as you will see, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, that there was a dangerous level of ENVY, HATRED, JEALOUSY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CURSE, FAVOURITISM AND THEFT. Even though Cain and Abel were twins, the bible says: Isaac prefered Essau while Rebecca prefered Jacob (Gen 25:28). That's favouritism which you think polygamy breeds! the favouritism was at such a dangerous level that when Isaac wanted to bless Essau, one of Rebecca's children, she plotted and STOLE the blessings for Jacob. When Essau heard it, he said: ''THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE IS CHEATING ME'' (Gen 27:36). In vs 41, it says: Essau HATED Jacob and that he will KILL Jacob. In vs 44, Rebecca said to Jacob to stay with his uncle until his brother's ANGER had cooled down. So, can we say these are due to monogamy? Now, lets look at polygamy and see if there exists virtue and some of God's loftiests ideals. Lamech (Gen 4: 18-22) The bible says Lamech had two wives and he had three sons. The first one, Jabal, was the father of those who did agriculture. The second was the father of musicians, and the third one was the father of those who made crafts. When the bible says ''they are they fathers of...'' it means they were so accomplished in their chosen careers that when you mention those careers, they are the first ones that will cone to mind. They became famous for these professions due to their hard work, dedication and delligence. According to sociologists, there is a strong correlation between career success and a very well adjusted home. Jacob's polygamous home When the other brothers plotted to kill Joseph, Reuben, Jacob's first born who DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTHER WITH JOSEPH BY THE WAY, planned to save him. Also, take note that his brothers hate him not because he had a different mother, but because ''joseph loved him more than the others''(Gen 37:4). Also, see that all his brothers who hated him, were also children of different mothers. They also loved Benjamin and protected him even though he was born of Rachel, Joseph's mother. Judah said he PLEDGED HIS LIFE FOR BENJAMIN (Gen 44:32). After Joseph had been sold and Reuben.came back to the well and dis not find him, the bible said he TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW! (Gen 37:29) What about Gideon, who the bibke says.had many wives yet NOT A SINGLE EVIL WAS RECORDED TO HIS NAME INSTEAD, HE WAS MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 11 AS A MODEL OF FAITH TO THE BORN AGAIN. There you go; I have answered your question by providing examples of polygamous homes in the bible where the highest virtues exist, those virtues you see in paradise. I have also provided you with evidence from monogamies in the bible where the worst vices of envy, jealousy, hatred, etc, existed in dangerous levels. @DTruthSeeker @Donnie @Joagbaje. I wonder what you think about this. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MightySparrow: 5:29pm On Mar 09 |
MaxInDHouse: Hahahaha. ![]() ![]() You have to answer my question first. Just back up your claim with just one scripture. Only one. No one was having more than one wife in the whole Europe in the time of Paul, Peter and others. ![]() ![]() Alawada kerikeri 1Tim.3.2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1Tim.3.12 - Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, [/b]ruling their children and their own houses well. Titus.1.6 - [b]If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. There must have been polygamists in the first church, but were not permitted to be leaders. (Your organization does not have deacons and bishops; they are not scriptural) ![]() Those things were not serious issues to any one who was coming in contact with Christian faith for the first time. Marriage is a cultural thing. The culture of Christianity gradually swallowed those existing ones. In the process, no record of any husband who was recorded that sent away his wives. Today, it is not an issue anymore in Europe. Theirs is not standard either. Today it is one man one wife. Either may have married severally before. All these nonsensical inferences from the conceited GB. I remember you also claim that no one apart from Jews manifested any spiritual gifts. And Paul gave them instructions on how to manage manifestations of spiritual gifts one of which is prophecy. No none Jewish prophesied?! ![]() ![]() ![]() Special teachings from special imperfect organization. 4 Likes |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 5:31pm On Mar 09 |
MightySparrow: Wow! I swear I did not see this response before I responded to this very post of his; and like you, I described it as ''bunkum'', meaning: nonsense! So, @MaxInDHouse, you can see I am not the only one who can see what you wrote there and not only called it nonsense, i.e, it doesn't make sense, but also saw that you did not come up with that from your bible. I also refered you to check sola scriptura vs sola fidei debate. @mightySparrow, please scroll up and see my response to @MaxInDHouse and tell me what you think. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 5:36pm On Mar 09 |
MightySparrow: Это точно! |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MightySparrow: 5:37pm On Mar 09 |
MiddleDimension: Thanks brother. I just read through. You make a lot of sense. Please check my signature and purpose on this platform. Thanks Sir. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MiddleDimension: 5:43pm On Mar 09 |
MightySparrow: Keep up tge good work. That's why I am here too. 2 Likes |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:35pm On Mar 09 |
MightySparrow:. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by bobestman(m): 8:51pm On Mar 09 |
MaxInDHouse:This is why you will remain in your chains for years. Instead of you to use your brain you will be asking foolish questions. Your NT was inspired by Rome. They hate the messiah and his ppl and he also hated them and always expose their lies. They were in charge then and the ones to choose what is to be accepted or rejected. Many truths were lost and lies added by them. They omitted anything polygamy cos they hated it. But they love gays even till today. Those things happened in Africa that love polygamy, how come nothing like polygamy in the NT? They removed it cos they hated it and lied to you that lordjc said you should cast away your 2nd wife if born again. Marriage is a covenant whether 1 or more. If you send any away cos you claim to be born again, you commit a great sin cos you have broken a covenant. That teaching is a Roman lie. Many of you are just helping Rome propagate their lies 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by AntiChristian: 9:12am On Mar 10 |
Casala don burst o! Alhamdulillah! I no get problem! 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by UpTown001(m): 9:16am On Mar 10 |
You both should leave this thread with your bigotry |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by kingxsamz(m): 9:17am On Mar 10 |
MiddleDimension: Okay, but where is his wife though? ![]() |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by BoldBrainz(m): 9:17am On Mar 10 |
Sickening how we always have to put up with all of these religious jargons every other weekend. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by twosquare(m): 9:18am On Mar 10 |
He is correct. What you cannot become is a bishop or a deacon if you have more than one wife. There were early Christians with more than one wife, hence the commandment above. Nothing special. Don't be a low IQ. That's all. 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by Pickieox(m): 9:19am On Mar 10 |
MiddleDimension: What a joke! Africa will get better and have a good paradigm shift when we start taking intellectuals seriously and stop patronising all these charlatans masquerading as pulpit thieves. |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by iezeiyida(m): 9:21am On Mar 10 |
What a wise answer from the man of God ! Great men of God from the Bible had more than 1 wife. It's unfair to chase the wife you culturally and legally married because of a weak excuse that you are now a born again Happy Mother's Sunday to all Anglican church member, and God bless every mother 1 Like |
Re: Chris Oyakhilome: Don't Send Any Of Your Wives Away If You Become Born Again by zoghys: 9:21am On Mar 10 |
Ance4Liverpool: The wife wants a divorce, so don't blame him for that. |
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