AuthorMan:


You are wrong.
You are the one who has no business in judging anyone.

So if your wife suddenly becomes corrupt and finds another man without any fault from you. You are supposed not to be trusted.
Abi.

You guys talk without putting yourselves in the position of the people you judge.

Leave all judgment to God. Because you know nothing about why anyone becomes a divorcee.
You really don't.

Young man, Anita Oyaks accused your daddy G.O of having an affair with his secretary.....hunkle G.O hadn't come up with a rebuttal. Silence in the face of allegations, even as weighty as such means acceptance of guilt. Don't defend issues that makes you look or sound unintelligent. If you still have spare data on your phone, kindly look up what caused the oyak's crisis,thank you.
Besides what my issue judging who? Basically 70% of these pastorpreneurs are pulpit bandits just preaching prosperity without emphasis on salvation, I wouldn't judge him or any other because I don't patronize their ministry of sales of repetitive topic of books with different designed covers,hand bands,anointing oil,handkerchiefs, polo & caps,first fruits, widow's mite🤣🤣😂 tabernacle projects.....etc.
I don't subscribe to such scam,hence I can't judge them!

Delightsome2023:
porn.star dey follow comment for Christianity matter

even terrorist dey pray b4 dey go mission

Ance4Liverpool:
Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

Calm down . He's addressing a particular question and his answer is Apt.

Babaibeji2020:

Young man, Anita Oyaks accused your daddy G.O of having an affair with his secretary.....hunkle G.O hadn't come up with a rebuttal. Silence in the face of allegations, even as weighty as such means acceptance of guilt. Don't defend issues that makes you look or sound unintelligent. If you still have spare data on your phone, kindly look up what caused the oyak's crisis,thank you.
Besides what my issue judging who? Basically 70% of these pastorpreneurs are pulpit bandits just preaching prosperity without emphasis on salvation, I wouldn't judge him or any other because I don't patronize their ministry of sales of repetitive topic of books with different designed covers,hand bands,anointing oil,handkerchiefs, polo & caps,first fruits, widow's mite🤣🤣😂 tabernacle projects.....etc.
I don't subscribe to such scam,hence I can't judge them!

Anita accused the husband of infidelity.
So, as a very wise man wey you be believing such without an evidence is an evidence of wisdom?
Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. And a bitter spouse can say anything to justify their claims.
What is there to look up in what caused their breakup.
So, if your wife breaks up with you and say all manner to justify her action. Is it not foolishness for anyone to believe she's saying the truth? When there is no concrete evidence. All the woman based her claims on were suspicion and nothing more.

I neva be born again

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why are yoi quoting me without saying anything?

MiddleDimension:


who can't be a preacher on the pulpit?

Anyone married to more than one wife

That is the reason why many will say on that day Lord! Have we not work wonders in your name and in your name have we not cast out devils" but depart from me , will come from the lord, o ye workers of Iniquity.

These people are hypocrites and they never have an encounter with Jesus thats why, they lead many into destruction

What truth are you expecting from a man with a,jerrycoiled hair? They are not of God.

If God saved you truly from sin and you truly had a change of heart that only Jesus of calvary gives , a new life that only His blood can give,

Without asking anyone, you will ask the second wife to depart because Jesus now lives in you. The holy Spirit will start pointing out the restitution you need to do, now that he is I. Charge of your life, and He is holy.

He will never leave any unclean thing to stand but point it out because He is preparing you for heaven, where no unclean thing will enter

The first wife or the one you first married legally, is your wife. Any other is a product of adultery. The word of God stands and unchangeable.

For this reason. shall a man leave his fathers house and cling unto his wife, and the two shall becomes one. "Do the bible states, man shall cling unto his wives? "The two shall becomes one not, the three. Either before you are converted or after, the word of God still stand.

The difference is, before you come to Jesus, if you die in that polygamy, you are going to perish. But after repentance, you restitute, then you will not perish.

What is the importance of repentance when you still keep the wife you married out of adultery?

For those who wants to know the truth and escape hell. God institution is one man one wife. whoever you have after your first wife is adultery and because of this ,she must move out.
Do not be decieved

Beware of false teachers

The church is getting there, amen

Goodlady:

You can't afford me.

My sweetheart.

absoluteSuccess:


Very very powerful, this makes my day.

Following the example of Christ, as Christians, we are not even supposed to get married in the first place. Which will create a problem with the decree of procreation given in genesis. For this reason shall a man leaves his father and his mother and cling unto his wife, and the two shalt become one flesh. This won't be possible in a polygamy.

But, would polygamy profane God's will in this instance? The inspired writer has just given us God's unwavering standard, which does not annul another option we consider as polygamy. And directly or not, you can't start from two wives at a go. The first is the first and true wife, the next is your choice.

Then those who are coming into Christianity did have their lives before conversion, do they have to create a new problem for themselves in their home due to their new religion? That's what Paul addressed.

The Anglican communion, which bud forth from the Roman Catholic, favours monogamy. This also spread to us in Africa as their proselytes.

Christ gave the injunction that true love is to be between a man and his wife, and men should eschew adultery. He couldn't have said God intended polygamy from the original design. However, polygamy is not God's problem. Monogamy is the ideal marriage, if you can take the cup of polygamy, its left to you.

The first is not the ONE TRUE WIFE! all the wives are equally his wives! There is not evidence in the bible that God gave a 'standard', no such thing in the bible! The whole idea that god has a standard of marriage, is not just nonsense, but the personal opinion of those people who know nothing about the topic.

My dear, ''the two shall become one'' is absolutely present in polygamy! This is because there is a way the christian marriage is which you all do not understand!

the ''the two shall become one'' does not exclude polygamy because for God, the relationship between the man and each of his wives is absolutely personal. He is the husband of each of the wives, whole and entire, not partially!


In christian marriage, the man's marriage to all his wives is on individual bases. Just as your god is married to you, if you are a born again, and is also married to Pope Francis, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo, et al at the same time. In christian marriage, the man is the figure of God, while the woman is the figure of the church, the individual christian etc.

How do I know this?

LET ME SHOW YOU!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church?

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

"Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, in all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do not direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

@Absolutesuccess. Please pardon me a little bit. I just lifted this response from different thread where they argued with me, like you are presenting now, that Jesus' statement that ''the two shall become one'', excludes polygamy. I found it necessary to lift it and paste it here to save my time and energy. Tjat is why you can see me mention some handles here.

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rasi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

MiddleDimension:


That'a not the issue at hand. The issue is that it is not only wrong, but ungodly to put aside any of your wives because you claim you are now born again.

The bible never said that, christians ahould aeriously ask themselves where they got that idea from that a man should out aside one of his wives if he become born again.

Is it not a sin to do what God has not tod you to do? why christians accept to teach that falsehood is what is beyond me.

If you disagree with Oyakhilome, then put forward your arguement and show that they are superior to his. That is fair enough, right?

Oga, he created them man and woman, not man and women.

Mpanyi:


Oga, he created them man and woman, not man and women.

Your position has been debunked time and time again

AuthorMan:


Anita accused the husband of infidelity.
So, as a very wise man wey you be believing such without an evidence is an evidence of wisdom?
Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. And a bitter spouse can say anything to justify their claims.
What is there to look up in what caused their breakup.
So, if your wife breaks up with you and say all manner to justify her action. Is it not foolishness for anyone to believe she's saying the truth? When there is no concrete evidence. All the woman based her claims on were suspicion and nothing more.

And what was your "righteous" G.O's response to the allegations from the "wicked" wife.....?
Wisdom they say is profitable. Rather than look up the allegations and get enlightened, you're here defending a clown with a very promiscuous history. You lots are just zombies when it relates to this pulpit bandits. Is your tin god afraid to come forth to invalidate the accusations.....?
God will have to alot more time to salvage you lots from these thieves,same thieves Jesus whipped outta the temple then days....

he has no gut to defend himself?simply offer to defend him!
how long have you been married?what has been ur experience in the institution?when a septuagenarian grandpa that has seen it all talks,babies like you keep mute!its not too hard to know the kids raised from gutters!the utterances expose them!TOO BAD!!

Babaibeji2020:



And what was your "righteous" G.O's response to the allegations from the "wicked" wife.....?
Wisdom they say is profitable. Rather than look up the allegations and get enlightened, you're here defending a clown with a very promiscuous history. You lots are just zombies when it relates to this pulpit bandits. Is your tin god afraid to come forth to invalidate the accusations.....?
God will have to alot more time to salvage you lots from these thieves,same thieves Jesus whipped outta the temple then days....

You don't deserve any response anymore. Its obvious you ate ignorant of life facts, you are full of bitterness against men of God and you lack sensible reasoning.

For your info. I don't attend Oyakilome's church but I am only trying to let you use your head.

I have applied Proverbs 26: 4-5 to your case so, I rest my case.

AuthorMan:


You don't deserve any response anymore. Its obvious you ate ignorant of life facts, you are full of bitterness against men of God and you lack sensible reasoning.

For your info. I don't attend Oyakilome's church but I am only trying to let you use your head.

I have applied Proverbs 26: 4-5 to your case so, I rest my case.

Get lost.....I hate pulpit bandits....I hate their idiotic "sheeple" supporters like you!
Go get a life and stop trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle. You sound so stewpid trying to defend a bufoon who hasn't been able to defend himself since.
Clowns every where.........🖕

MiddleDimension:


The first is not the ONE TRUE WIFE! all the wives are equally his wives! There is not evidence in the bible that God gave a 'standard', no such thing in the bible! The whole idea that god has a standard of marriage, is not just nonsense, but the personal opinion of those people who know nothing about the topic.

My dear, ''the two shall become one'' is absolutely present in polygamy! This is because there is a way the christian marriage is which you all do not understand!

the ''the two shall become one'' does not exclude polygamy because for God, the relationship between the man and each of his wives is absolutely personal. He is the husband of each of the wives, whole and entire, not partially!


In christian marriage, the man's marriage to all his wives is on individual bases. Just as your god is married to you, if you are a born again, and is also married to Pope Francis, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo, et al at the same time. In christian marriage, the man is the figure of God, while the woman is the figure of the church, the individual christian etc.

How do I know this?

LET ME SHOW YOU!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church?

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

"Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, in all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do not direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

@Absolutesuccess. Please pardon me a little bit. I just lifted this response from different thread where they argued with me, like you are presenting now, that Jesus' statement that ''the two shall become one'', excludes polygamy. I found it necessary to lift it and paste it here to save my time and energy. Tjat is why you can see me mention some handles here.

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rasi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

Breathtaking, I really appreciate the extra length you went into making this respond as a man given to deep things of God, you are blessed and highly favoured!

Nevertheless, there are things you may have to agree with as really serious problem with your position. First, if my formula is "the two shall become one" and I ended the conversation, can you improve on my statement that I also mean "the multiple shall become one"? I think if that is the case, you are trying to come up with your own formula other than mine. Dropping fact and figure simply means I have taken a position. God position is at the very beginning of mankind as seen in the bible.

Albeit, I'm an African and my families were agrarian. My Dad was a polygamist, maybe not by his willful intentions but circumstances. And I also observed marriages in the agrarian communities close-up, its like marriage contract is "relationship" to them. It's as you can afford it, its completely outside any religious confine and has to do with your social and economic grand-standing and then your eyes for a finely woman as long as the ones at home could tolerate it.

On the other hand, the Yoruba religion frown at polygamy, it says "okan-soso l'obinrin dun mo nile oko" this is drawn from Ifa oracular dicta. Next, Yoruba wisdom are reposed in their proverbs and it says "'orisa je n pe meji' obinrin o si". That is to say, our fathers write-off polygamy despite the fact that they indulge in it. This proverb encapsulates what the woman go through in a polygamous setting and its quite avoidable, that's not to say "its all evil with polygamy compare to monogamy", no. But the stress of "marriage" applies generally, with polygamy being much strenuous.

If the Yoruba had been ardent supporters of polygamy, i trust they will never make any folk tales that will attack that institution. Yet that's exactly what most Yoruba folktale taught the children. It spoke of "igbako orogun mi b'odo lo", "asaro elepo rederede", etc. None of this polygamous folklore have a happy ending for everyone involved. Nevertheless, that is not always the case in reality. the folklore must have helped mitigate things like this. But it never remember to praise that institution. Technically speaking, our culture failed to support the very institution that brought it forth, meaning, we are "on our own" in this.

Let's go to the bible

Did God have a foreknowledge that man will become polygamous? No. God does not have to know everything to be God. That's not what it means to be God. I invented something and i already know everything about my invention from the moment my invention becomes reality, that's no "practical reality". My inventions will take up its own "behaviour" once it interacts with its environment and then i am to observe and take in my readings or inference. that's being God over my invention, if i can always improve upon it.

Now, God have a mind of an inventor and the outcome he intended: "normal functioning of a pair to procreate". to whom did he say, "be fruitful and multiply"? At the beginning, one is to be a man and the other, a wife. Both were equal when he made them. He intended interacting with this pair, unlike the animals, hence he gave them a thinking faculty not to behave like the rest of the animals he place under their subjection. If the inventor gave them all this ability and started out with a pair, he has "pairing" in mind to achieve "marital" result. It is no longer pairing the moment you have "more than one of a pair", its a bastardization of purpose.

If you go about the things that happened in the bible as the standard for marriage other than what you have in the book of genesis, then all the "shades of marriage" that the present society frown at should be canonized: Abraham and Sarah- inbreeding. Lot and his daughters, the house of David, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and Laban. These folks enjoy their own choices, but in spite of the fact that they were "examples" in the scripture of the people God dealt with, they were imperfect lot. We cannot make the "imperfect lot to a standard" if we can just enact "a reasonable standard" even by the word of mouth.

You can't make the criteria of embarrassment the standard, you just have to take a standard as such.

AuthorMan:


Where is the proof of him being a false teacher.
Table it here.
You don't just accuse people wrongly

Why will I accuse people wrongly?
There are many false teachings of pastor Chris,

Oyakhilome’s website contains “Divine Health Confessions.” These display again and again the unbiblical ideas taught by many in the Word of Faith movement. For example:

I live above the elements of this world. I live above sickness, disease, and death. I’m immune to anything that ravages the lives of men; I belong to God’s class of divine beings. I am a partaker of the divine nature; my body is sustained by a force that the ordinary man cannot perceive. My kidneys, lungs, heart, all tissues and every organ in my body function properly.



Take note of the phrase “God’s class of divine beings.” This is the same nonsense taught by false teacher Kenneth Hagin, who famously taught this:

Man… was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority… He made us the same class of being that He is Himself.





The fullness of the Godhead dwells in me bodily, making me impregnable to sickness, disease, death, and the devil.



Every creature reproduces after its kind. A dog gives birth to dogs, a cat gives birth to cats, a cow gives birth to cows, a monkey reproduces monkeys and a human reproduces humans. So when God gives birth, what do you think He’ll reproduce? Gods, of course!



No sickness?

Like so many others, “Pastor Chris” focuses heavily on healing. After all, he runs an international school of healing, so that makes sense. Also like so many others, he makes unbiblical claims about what God will and won’t do… and what Christians can expect with regard to health:

The Word of God quickens my mortal body; this is my vital experience! My health flourishes daily because the power of Jesus Christ continually works in me. I do not get sick; no infirmity can thrive in my body because the Spirit of the Lord lives in me. Hallelujah!


Again and again, Oyakhilome claims that no Christian should ever be sick:

I am born, not of corruptible seed, but of the incorruptible and ‘uninfectable’ seed – the Word of God which lives and abides forever. I am immune to sickness and my body neutralizes anything that is contrary to the Word of God, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

I have the divine life that flourishes with health, prosperity, success, peace, and joy unspeakable. The Word of God is life to my body and it cleanses my blood and makes me perfect and whole.

The very life and nature of God are operational in me, making it impossible for me to contract any disease or infection.

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If you’ll stay in the Word, you’ll always be healthy and sound. If you’d meditate on the Word, it’ll cure that blood condition, get rid of the HIV, heal your bones, heart, and skin, and produce life in you! It’ll cure that wound that has defied treatment. Speak the Word to that infirmity; talk to that cancer; talk to your blood cells; command the diabetes to be healed!

When the Holy Spirit takes over your life, He’ll drive every sickness out of your body; He’ll make right everything that was wrong.


No Sin?

A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.


You are the Word of God?

Do you know you are God’s Word?  When you were born again, you were born by the Word of God. This means your destiny in the realm of the Spirit is to be the Word of God because you were born by the word of God. It means your nature is of the Word and your character is of the word.



Misquoting Scripture

Your abilities are unlimited. Nothing is impossible for you to accomplish, because you’re sufficient in God’s sufficiency (2 Corinthians 3:5)




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Christ is a place?

Christ is not only a person, Christ is a place. When you come into Christ, you don’t come into a person; you come into a place.



Blessed?

When you’re anointed, you become blessed of God such that everything you touch or do prospers. To be ‘blessed’ means to be empowered to prosper.


Pastor Chris even teaches that God does not perform miracles that it is Christians that now perform the miracle.
Belong to the same category of false teachers as Kenneth hagin, creflo dollar, td Jakes, Joel Osteen etc

And Jesus says: "You've had 5 husband's & the man you're living with is not your husband."

"And a man shall cLling to his wife & they TWO shall be ONE FLESH."

"He that findeth A WIFE..."

In Christianity, there is making amends! RESTITUTION!

Remember Matthew 7:21 - 23

Galatians 1:6 - 12

Ance4Liverpool:
Oyahkilome should keep quiet, where is his own wife?

Shut up your mouth. Don't speak to a man of God anyhow okay?

peacemara54:
That is the reason why many will say on that day Lord! Have we not work wonders in your name and in your name have we not cast out devils" but depart from me , will come from the lord, o ye workers of Iniquity.

These people are hypocrites and they never have an encounter with Jesus thats why, they lead many into destruction

What truth are you expecting from a man with a,jerrycoiled hair? They are not of God.

If God saved you truly from sin and you truly had a change of heart that only Jesus of calvary gives , a new life that only His blood can give,

Without asking anyone, you will ask the second wife to depart because Jesus now lives in you. The holy Spirit will start pointing out the restitution you need to do, now that he is I. Charge of your life, and He is holy.

He will never leave any unclean thing to stand but point it out because He is preparing you for heaven, where no unclean thing will enter

The first wife or the one you first married legally, is your wife. Any other is a product of adultery. The word of God stands and unchangeable.

For this reason. shall a man leave his fathers house and cling unto his wife, and the two shall becomes one. "Do the bible states, man shall cling unto his wives? "The two shall becomes one not, the three. Either before you are converted or after, the word of God still stand.

The difference is, before you come to Jesus, if you die in that polygamy, you are going to perish. But after repentance, you restitute, then you will not perish.

What is the importance of repentance when you still keep the wife you married out of adultery?

For those who wants to know the truth and escape hell. God institution is one man one wife. whoever you have after your first wife is adultery and because of this ,she must move out.
Do not be decieved

Beware of false teachers

Your the chief judge. You really need help.
And you need Jesus in you life.
May God have mercy on you.

MiddleDimension:


That'a not the issue at hand. The issue is that it is not only wrong, but ungodly to put aside any of your wives because you claim you are now born again.

The bible never said that, christians ahould aeriously ask themselves where they got that idea from that a man should out aside one of his wives if he become born again.

Is it not a sin to do what God has not tod you to do? why christians accept to teach that falsehood is what is beyond me.

If you disagree with Oyakhilome, then put forward your arguement and show that they are superior to his. That is fair enough, right?

God, who is the creator of marriage, designed it to be between one man and one woman. If you have married two wives before you became born again, then these are the options open to you.

Your marriage to the first wife is the valid one and you should separate yourself from the other wife and let her go and get her own husband. However if she cannot do that for any reason, then you should be responsible for her upkeep and that of her children. They are your responsibility which your earlier actions brought about and you cannot divorce yourself from that.

However, you can no more have conjugal relations with the other wife because that would amount to adultery. You cannot continue in sin as expect God to be pleased with you.

Note that you may not be able to serve in any church leadership role because the Bible is strictly clear about that in 1 Timothy 3:1-16

jameschibuike:







Your the chief judge. You really need help.
And you need Jesus in you life.
May God have mercy on you.

Many Igbo people are found mostly in this erroneous doctrines. Majority of you are into catholism and others that leads to hell. .

Thank God many also still yielded to Gods true call to salvation. Many Igbo's in deeper Christian life and other true bible believing churches.

For those of you who are lost and embrace religion of hell , repent!!

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Oyaks that his marriage did not work doesn't exactly have justifications to talk much about marriage. BTW, he asked that the person(s) should ask their pastor.

Clearly, no serious christain will have more than one wife or one husband. The clear and perfect will of God is male and female, not male and male, or female and female, or male and females, or males and female, or males and females. Any of these categories that become born again ought to do proper restitution.
Also, clearly, they cannot or should not be workers in church.
Asides the many problems that follow polygamy that your pastor trifled with as merely explaining to many people, what we can agree on is that it has nothing to do with eternal destination. In other words, you're not going to hell for polygamy. But that doesn't justify it or say you should not make amends if in the wrong. Even OT kings and priests were not supposed to practice polygamy, not to mention NT where every believer is supposed to be a king and priest in a sense, asides being deacons and bishops.
i guess your pastor would have taught the Samaritan woman not to leave her 6th husband, but explain to people that it was done before she believed. Like i said earlier, just leave these marriage things to Bible and godly preachers without failed marriages. He can focus on other things.

There is no need putting away a second wife just because you got born again. Let's stop tying up ourselves with laws that does not bind us as believers. Born again christians are encouraged to have one wife only but if you already had many wives before giving your life to Christ there is no need putting some of them away, you can still make heaven like that as they are legally married. 1 Corinth 7 gives perspectives to these things.
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The problem is that most of us are a product of the limited knowledge of the word of God of our GOs. A lot of them put up these doctrines out of limited knowledge of God's word.

Let's stand fast in the liberty where Christ has made us free, why entangling yourselves again with human made laws?

The first time in history where a Nigerian pastopreneur is saying the TRUTH.

MiddleDimension:


He paid the bride price of his other wives as well! You think a man can marry another wife without paying her bride price? where does that happen in Africa and the middle east, at that time, or even now?

Others are not concubine, you Fool! Watch your mouth idiot! You are a mad man!

MiddleDimension:


He paid the bride price of his other wives as well! You think a man can marry another wife without paying her bride price? where does that happen in Africa and the middle east, at that time, or even now?

Others are not concubine, you Fool! Watch your mouth idiot! You are a mad man!

I think we are entitled to our knowledge and opinion over a matter on this forum. Isn't it? Using foul words at someone isn't proper. Using such words reveal the condition of one's heart—healthy or filthy!

Under the new covenant, the law of Christ, a born again or convert to Christ, a Christian man is to have only one wife, not two or three or more wives.

Before he is born again or converted and already married to more than one wife, the first wife among his wives he paid her dowry/bride price is his legally married wife. Others, whether he pays their dowry/bride price or not, aren't his "wives". He's "cohabiting" with them in the context of this matter when looked under the mirror of Christianity. No where in the Scriptures is it stated about a Christian man having more than one wife. No inference or apostolic approved example do we have on this matter.

After he is born again, he should stop having sexual affairs with them but he is to cater for their needs and the children they bore for him.


Matthew 19:5 says: “. . .‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 7:1—5 says:

Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

MiddleDimension:


sending them away to where? Give me the name of the place, if you have one! you people don't even listen to yourselves when you talk!

And, are you not the ones who keep saying God hates divorce? And provide evidence to show that polygamy is wrong in the sight of God!

I think the words: "sending them away" used in this discussion is misconstrued.

"Sending them away" in the context of this matter means the man is to sever sexual intimacy/relationship with them. He is to ensure no room is created for such relationship to continue after he is born again.

He is not to create an atmosphere or allow any room for intimacy and sexual relationship to take place. Temptation might easily come or in his moments of weakness and this might make him to have such relationship. Wisdom demands he make provision for them and their upkeep since they bore children for him.

Under the new covenant, the law of Christ, a born again or convert to Christ, a Christian man is to have only one wife, not two or three or more wives.

Before he is born again or converted and already married to more than one wife, the first wife among his wives he paid her dowry/bride price is his legally married wife. Others, whether he pays their dowry/bride price or not, aren't his "wives". He's "cohabiting" with them in the context of this matter when looked under the mirror of Christianity. No where in the Scriptures is it stated about a Christian man having more than one wife. No inference or apostolic approved example do we have on this matter.

After he is born again, he should stop having sexual affairs with them but he is to cater for their needs and the children they bore for him.


Matthew 19:5 says: “. . .‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 7:1—5 says:

Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

emmnprince:


I think the words: "sending them away" used in this discussion is misconstrued.

"Sending them away" in the context of this matter means the man is to sever sexual intimacy/relationship with them. He is to ensure no room is created for such relationship to continue after he is born again.

He is not to create an atmosphere or allow any room for intimacy and sexual relationship to take place. Temptation might easily come or in his moments of weakness and this might make him to have such relationship. Wisdom demands he make provision for them and their upkeep since they bore children for him.

Under the new covenant, the law of Christ, a born again or convert to Christ, a Christian man is to have only one wife, not two or three or more wives.

Before he is born again or converted and already married to more than one wife, the first wife among his wives he paid her dowry/bride price is his legally married wife. Others, whether he pays their dowry/bride price or not, aren't his "wives". He's "cohabiting" with them in the context of this matter when looked under the mirror of Christianity. No where in the Scriptures is it stated about a Christian man having more than one wife. No inference or apostolic approved example do we have on this matter.

After he is born again, he should stop having sexual affairs with them but he is to cater for their needs and the children they bore for him.


Matthew 19:5 says: “. . .‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 7:1—5 says:

Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

My dear, please stop all these!

absoluteSuccess:


Breathtaking, I really appreciate the extra length you went into making this respond as a man given to deep things of God, you are blessed and highly favoured!

Nevertheless, there are things you may have to agree with as really serious problem with your position. First, if my formula is "the two shall become one" and I ended the conversation, can you improve on my statement that I also mean "the multiple shall become one"? I think if that is the case, you are trying to come up with your own formula other than mine. Dropping fact and figure simply means I have taken a position. God position is at the very beginning of mankind as seen in the bible.

Albeit, I'm an African and my families were agrarian. My Dad was a polygamist, maybe not by his willful intentions but circumstances. And I also observed marriages in the agrarian communities close-up, its like marriage contract is "relationship" to them. It's as you can afford it, its completely outside any religious confine and has to do with your social and economic grand-standing and then your eyes for a finely woman as long as the ones at home could tolerate it.

On the other hand, the Yoruba religion frown at polygamy, it says "okan-soso l'obinrin dun mo nile oko" this is drawn from Ifa oracular dicta. Next, Yoruba wisdom are reposed in their proverbs and it says "'orisa je n pe meji' obinrin o si". That is to say, our fathers write-off polygamy despite the fact that they indulge in it. This proverb encapsulates what the woman go through in a polygamous setting and its quite avoidable, that's not to say "its all evil with polygamy compare to monogamy", no. But the stress of "marriage" applies generally, with polygamy being much strenuous.

If the Yoruba had been ardent supporters of polygamy, i trust they will never make any folk tales that will attack that institution. Yet that's exactly what most Yoruba folktale taught the children. It spoke of "igbako orogun mi b'odo lo", "asaro elepo rederede", etc. None of this polygamous folklore have a happy ending for everyone involved. Nevertheless, that is not always the case in reality. the folklore must have helped mitigate things like this. But it never remember to praise that institution. Technically speaking, our culture failed to support the very institution that brought it forth, meaning, we are "on our own" in this.

Let's go to the bible

Did God have a foreknowledge that man will become polygamous? No. God does not have to know everything to be God. That's not what it means to be God. I invented something and i already know everything about my invention from the moment my invention becomes reality, that's no "practical reality". My inventions will take up its own "behaviour" once it interacts with its environment and then i am to observe and take in my readings or inference. that's being God over my invention, if i can always improve upon it.

Now, God have a mind of an inventor and the outcome he intended: "normal functioning of a pair to procreate". to whom did he say, "be fruitful and multiply"? At the beginning, one is to be a man and the other, a wife. Both were equal when he made them. He intended interacting with this pair, unlike the animals, hence he gave them a thinking faculty not to behave like the rest of the animals he place under their subjection. If the inventor gave them all this ability and started out with a pair, he has "pairing" in mind to achieve "marital" result. It is no longer pairing the moment you have "more than one of a pair", its a bastardization of purpose.

If you go about the things that happened in the bible as the standard for marriage other than what you have in the book of genesis, then all the "shades of marriage" that the present society frown at should be canonized: Abraham and Sarah- inbreeding. Lot and his daughters, the house of David, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and Laban. These folks enjoy their own choices, but in spite of the fact that they were "examples" in the scripture of the people God dealt with, they were imperfect lot. We cannot make the "imperfect lot to a standard" if we can just enact "a reasonable standard" even by the word of mouth.

You can't make the criteria of embarrassment the standard, you just have to take a standard as such.

I am atheist, by the way.

Steep:

Why will I accuse people wrongly?
There are many false teachings of pastor Chris,

Oyakhilome’s website contains “Divine Health Confessions.” These display again and again the unbiblical ideas taught by many in the Word of Faith movement. For example:

I live above the elements of this world. I live above sickness, disease, and death. I’m immune to anything that ravages the lives of men; I belong to God’s class of divine beings. I am a partaker of the divine nature; my body is sustained by a force that the ordinary man cannot perceive. My kidneys, lungs, heart, all tissues and every organ in my body function properly.



Take note of the phrase “God’s class of divine beings.” This is the same nonsense taught by false teacher Kenneth Hagin, who famously taught this:

Man… was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority… He made us the same class of being that He is Himself.





The fullness of the Godhead dwells in me bodily, making me impregnable to sickness, disease, death, and the devil.



Every creature reproduces after its kind. A dog gives birth to dogs, a cat gives birth to cats, a cow gives birth to cows, a monkey reproduces monkeys and a human reproduces humans. So when God gives birth, what do you think He’ll reproduce? Gods, of course!



No sickness?

Like so many others, “Pastor Chris” focuses heavily on healing. After all, he runs an international school of healing, so that makes sense. Also like so many others, he makes unbiblical claims about what God will and won’t do… and what Christians can expect with regard to health:

The Word of God quickens my mortal body; this is my vital experience! My health flourishes daily because the power of Jesus Christ continually works in me. I do not get sick; no infirmity can thrive in my body because the Spirit of the Lord lives in me. Hallelujah!


Again and again, Oyakhilome claims that no Christian should ever be sick:

I am born, not of corruptible seed, but of the incorruptible and ‘uninfectable’ seed – the Word of God which lives and abides forever. I am immune to sickness and my body neutralizes anything that is contrary to the Word of God, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

I have the divine life that flourishes with health, prosperity, success, peace, and joy unspeakable. The Word of God is life to my body and it cleanses my blood and makes me perfect and whole.

The very life and nature of God are operational in me, making it impossible for me to contract any disease or infection.

.

If you’ll stay in the Word, you’ll always be healthy and sound. If you’d meditate on the Word, it’ll cure that blood condition, get rid of the HIV, heal your bones, heart, and skin, and produce life in you! It’ll cure that wound that has defied treatment. Speak the Word to that infirmity; talk to that cancer; talk to your blood cells; command the diabetes to be healed!

When the Holy Spirit takes over your life, He’ll drive every sickness out of your body; He’ll make right everything that was wrong.


No Sin?

A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.


You are the Word of God?

Do you know you are God’s Word?  When you were born again, you were born by the Word of God. This means your destiny in the realm of the Spirit is to be the Word of God because you were born by the word of God. It means your nature is of the Word and your character is of the word.



Misquoting Scripture

Your abilities are unlimited. Nothing is impossible for you to accomplish, because you’re sufficient in God’s sufficiency (2 Corinthians 3:5)




.

Christ is a place?

Christ is not only a person, Christ is a place. When you come into Christ, you don’t come into a person; you come into a place.



Blessed?

When you’re anointed, you become blessed of God such that everything you touch or do prospers. To be ‘blessed’ means to be empowered to prosper.


Pastor Chris even teaches that God does not perform miracles that it is Christians that now perform the miracle.
Belong to the same category of false teachers as Kenneth hagin, creflo dollar, td Jakes, Joel Osteen etc

Kudos to you bro. For taking time to explain. Are you a Jehovah's witness