maureensylvia:
■ I don't think there's a specific verse that explicitly says not to apply human language understanding to Scripture. However, there are verses that indicate that God's ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9).
■ This implies that we can't always understand God's ways or interpret Scripture using only human reasoning.
■ There are many verses that talk about faith, trust, hope, and mystery. For example, Hebrews 11:1 says that faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the conviction of things not

1. The statement that God's way is not our way and God's thoughts are not our thoughts could simply mean we, as humans are to submit to His Will in all-wise much like Jesus Christ is written to have done --- Obey God's teaching and commandments as opposed to our own ideas. It in no way implies that we are to abandon our ability to logicaly process or reason all that is around them, including God's Law. Sure, you can't always grasp it at first try, or several, --- after all understanding comes from the Father in His time to those who seek it. So where exactly is it stated that you throw out/abandon your ability to reason or logically process God's Law?

2. I am particularly interested in learning where you derived this idea that humans are to abandon their ability to reason and judge logically that which is stated in Scripture, an idea you not only seem to hold but approve as right approach as well.

3. I am more interested in that stated by the God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, the very ones proclaimed authors of the faiths of those who follow them. The opinions of men are meant to be validated against that spoken directly by God. So please, tell us where exactly God Himself revealed to you these ideas you have of faith, trust, hope and mystery.

maureensylvia:

The Deeper Life Church's teaching on jewelry is definitely different from the teachings of other churches, and that can create division among believers.

However, I don't think this necessarily means that the Holy Spirit isn't involved in their interpretation. Instead, I think it's possible that the Holy Spirit could be leading different groups of people to different interpretations of scripture.

After all, the Bible is complex and multi-faceted, and there are bound to be different understandings of it. So while division can be painful, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Holy Spirit is absent.

In fact, some theologians believe that the Holy Spirit can use division to help the church grow and evolve. For example, the Protestant Reformation started with division within the Catholic Church, but it ultimately led to the birth of new denominations and a richer understanding of scripture.

So while it's difficult to see people disagreeing about the meaning of scripture, it's possible that the Holy Spirit is using these disagreements to further the work of the church.

Does this your idea agree with the bible verse below?
Are Christians suppose to speak in disagreements? Can't we be united in purpose and conviction by the holy spirit?
Let's stop giving rooms to false teachers na.

Kobojunkie:
1. The statement that God's way is not our way and God's thoughts are not our thoughts could simply mean we, as humans are to submit to His Will in all-wise much like Jesus Christ is written to have done --- Obey God's teaching and commandments as opposed to our own ideas. It in no way implies that we are to abandon our ability to logicaly process or reason all that is around them, including God's Law. Sure, you can't always grasp it at first try, or several, --- after all understanding comes from the Father in His time to those who seek it. So where exactly is it stated that you throw out/abandon your ability to reason or logically process God's Law?

2. I am particularly interested in learning where you derived this idea that humans are to abandon their ability to reason and judge logically that which is stated in Scripture, an idea you not only seem to hold but approve as right approach as well.

3. I am more interested in that stated by the God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, the very ones proclaimed authors of the faiths of those who follow them. The opinions of men are meant to be validated against that spoken directly by God. So please, tell us where exactly God Himself revealed to you these ideas you have of faith, trust, hope and mystery.

1. There's definitely a difference between submitting to God's will and abandoning the ability to reason or think critically.
The Bible encourages us to use our minds to understand God's Word (2 Timothy 2:7) and to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21). So while we should submit to God's authority, we should also use our minds to understand and apply His Word.

2. I believe that the Holy Spirit helps us to interpret and understand Scripture, but He doesn't do this in a way that bypasses our ability to think critically. The Holy Spirit works with our minds to help us understand God's Word.
So I'm not suggesting that we should abandon our reasoning or our ability to use logic. Rather, I'm suggesting that the Holy Spirit works with our reasoning and logic to help us understand

3. I think it's important to distinguish between what God has directly revealed in Scripture, and what people have interpreted from Scripture over the years.

As you mentioned, God is the ultimate authority, and His Word is what we should base our beliefs on. So let's look at what Scripture actually says about faith, trust, hope, and mystery.

I’ll recap my previous quote, in Hebrews 11:1, we're told that "faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." So faith is about trusting in things we can't see or know for certain.

Michael547:

Does this your idea agree with the bible verse below?
Are Christians suppose to speak in disagreements? Can't we be united in purpose and conviction by the holy spirit?
Let's stop giving rooms to false teachers na.

From your bible quote, it's clear that God wants believers to be united in their understanding of Scripture and their purpose as the church.

However, I think it's important to remember that 1 Corinthians 1:10 is talking about a specific church in Corinth, and it's not necessarily a blanket statement for all believers in all circumstances.

In addition, the Bible doesn't say that disagreement and division are always bad things. For example, there were some disagreements and divisions within the early church, but they ultimately led to a stronger and more resilient church.

So while we should strive for unity, we should also be open to the possibility that some disagreements and divisions can be beneficial.

In fact, it's possible that the Holy Spirit can use these disagreements to help us grow in our understanding of Scripture and our faith.

maureensylvia:


From your bible quote, it's clear that God wants believers to be united in their understanding of Scripture and their purpose as the church.

However, I think it's important to remember that 1 Corinthians 1:10 is talking about a specific church in Corinth, and it's not necessarily a blanket statement for all believers in all circumstances.

In addition, the Bible doesn't say that disagreement and division are always bad things. For example, there were some disagreements and divisions within the early church, but they ultimately led to a stronger and more resilient church.

So while we should strive for unity, we should also be open to the possibility that some disagreements and divisions can be beneficial.

In fact, it's possible that the Holy Spirit can use these disagreements to help us grow in our understanding of Scripture and our faith.

Madam I don't understand you....disagreements between members in church does not imply disagreements in doctrinal matters na....they are two different things. If we agree that there is one holy spirit, then there should one interpretation and understanding by the holy spirit that we all should adhere to.

Nowhere did the early Christians disagree on doctrinal matters to the extent of the apostles opening their own independent churches and teaching contradicting messages that divided the church like we have it today.

Nowhere does the Bible teach that the holy spirit fosters disagreements to help the church grow in faith. That is a false teaching.

maureensylvia:


From your bible quote, it's clear that God wants believers to be united in their understanding of Scripture and their purpose as the church.

However, I think it's important to remember that 1 Corinthians 1:10 is talking about a specific church in Corinth, and it's not necessarily a blanket statement for all believers in all circumstances.

In addition, the Bible doesn't say that disagreement and division are always bad things. For example, there were some disagreements and divisions within the early church, but they ultimately led to a stronger and more resilient church.

So while we should strive for unity, we should also be open to the possibility that some disagreements and divisions can be beneficial.

In fact, it's possible that the Holy Spirit can use these disagreements to help us grow in our understanding of Scripture and our faith

Where can I find where the bible says that disagreement and division aren't always a bad thing? Also, based on what, do you say "Holy Spirit can use these disagreements to help us grow in our understanding of Scripture and our faith"?

maureensylvia:
■ There's definitely a difference between submitting to God's will and abandoning the ability to reason or think critically. The Bible encourages us to use our minds to understand God's Word (2 Timothy 2:7) and to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21). So while we should submit to God's authority, we should also use our minds to understand and apply His Word.
■ I believe that the Holy Spirit helps us to interpret and understand Scripture, but He doesn't do this in a way that bypasses our ability to think critically. The Holy Spirit works with our minds to help us understand God's Word. So I'm not suggesting that we should abandon our reasoning or our ability to use logic. Rather, I'm suggesting that the Holy Spirit works with our reasoning and logic to help us understand
■ I think it's important to distinguish between what God has directly revealed in Scripture, and what people have interpreted from Scripture over the years. As you mentioned, God is the ultimate authority, and His Word is what we should base our beliefs on. So let's look at what Scripture actually says about faith, trust, hope, and mystery. I’ll recap my previous quote, in Hebrews 11:1, we're told that "faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." So faith is about trusting in things we can't see or know for certain.

1. So do you then agree that your initial claim which is that Scripture is somehow meant to be "interpreted" through what you claim is the lens of faith and is not always logical is not based on Scripture but an idea foreign to Scripture?

2. Can you please provide Scriptural evidence for where the God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ, stated that the Holy Spirit would help us to interpret Scripture? (Scripture is already presented to us in human language and ready to be understood as is written, so I am lost as to why further interpretation is necessary.) I ask because that is another claim I have yet to come upon in Scripture, and I have searched. Jesus Christ instead said that the Holy Spirit — the Spirit of Truth— would reveal that which is hidden, but Jesus Christ never said that the Holy Spirit would help us interpret Scripture. So, please help me out with Scriptural backing for this other Christian ritual you hold to.

3. I wholly agree that all should be judged by the standard that is the Word of God. But I fail to understand why you repeatedly quote from the letter to the Hebrews, an opinion piece — the writer did not in any way assert that this opinion of his comes from the mouth of God so why insist that we accept it as though it is of God.

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To understand faith, hope, mystery, and trust it is vital, as you said, to go back to God, who again, is the author and finisher of our faith. I like God's explanation of faith which He gave to Isaac while explaining how He justified Abraham. As we all know, Abraham was justified by faith, and the components of Abraham's faith are made bare in Genesis 26 by God Himself.

2 The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3 Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4 I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5 I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.” - Genesis 26 vs 2 - 5

Right there we see what Abraham's faith was all about— made up of. Abraham not only trusted God — He abandoned the idols of His fathers for a God He did not know— but He also obeyed God's every teaching and commandment given Him by this God— Abraham's faith — and for this he, Abraham, was justified. (God didn't suggest that Abraham obeyed Him one time; no, Abraham lived his life in continuous obedience to Gods commandments and statutes and it was for this that he, Abraham, was then justified by God.) If you ask me, this is the best explanation in all of that book of what faith is about. It sheds a whole different light on the opinion expressed in Hebrews 11 vs 1 - 2 by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews. God's very own explanation beats, hands down, all the numerous interpretations that flow regularly from churchian pulpits every week, including the mouths of those from other religions. Why? Because God's explanation makes absolute Scriptural sense. It explains why God's mandate of obedience to His teachings and commandments.

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Can you see how very different what God says is from what men and their many interpretations assert?

jesusjnr2020:
The word "Christian" itself already suggests its meaning is derived from Christ.

It's not the Bibilian or Paulian, that it would be defined by the teachings of the Bible or apostle Paul.

It's Christ-ian, so it makes logical sense that it is defined instead by the teachings of Christ.

But alas, the so-called Christians have become too blind to realize that obvious logic.

They'd rather stick to man-made traditions, ideas and beliefs that most part of the church have embraced overtime and being taught as doctrine in the church instead of that which Christ Himself gave us.

They have hence made the teachings of Christ (Word of God) to be of little or none effect in their lives, and by extension the church, which has consequently become a caricature of what it used to be when Christians (disciples of Christ) fully followed the teachings of Christ not those of someone else.

Until the church goes back to fully following the teachings of Christ as it used to be in those early days, they would only keep chasing shadows, and would never be able to experience the Spirit, Power and Glory of the early church which followed the teachings of Jesus.

God bless.

You seem confused. You cannot discredit your source of information and still use it to verify your statement.

Michael547:

How can we identify the few true Christians today?

By first learning and understanding what Christianity is, and by recognising it's fruit.

Sounds simple but takes years, since you must first cultivate from seed.

maureensylvia:

The Deeper Life Church's teaching on jewelry is definitely different from the teachings of other churches, and that can create division among believers.

However, I don't think this necessarily means that the Holy Spirit isn't involved in their interpretation. Instead, I think it's possible that the Holy Spirit could be leading different groups of people to different interpretations of scripture.

After all, the Bible is complex and multi-faceted, and there are bound to be different understandings of it. So while division can be painful, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Holy Spirit is absent.

In fact, some theologians believe that the Holy Spirit can use division to help the church grow and evolve. For example, the Protestant Reformation started with division within the Catholic Church, but it ultimately led to the birth of new denominations and a richer understanding of scripture.

So while it's difficult to see people disagreeing about the meaning of scripture, it's possible that the Holy Spirit is using these disagreements to further the work of the church.

You have literally described the Church of Nairaland.

The Holy Spirit (and all the gods) are using our disagreements to further our learning so Nigeria will grow.

maureensylvia:


It's true that from a purely logical perspective, there can only be one objective truth. However, I don't think that logic is the only way to understand scripture.

Scripture is meant to be read and interpreted through the lens of faith, which is not always logical.

Faith is about trust, hope, and mystery, not about proof and certainty.

Do you see how faith might lead to different interpretations of scripture?

Meanwhile Been awhile kobo!

Some could interpret that women are lesser beings than men, would you agree?

budaatum:


By first learning and understanding what Christianity is, and by recognising it's fruit.

Sounds simple but takes years, since you must first cultivate from seed.

Have you found the Christianity with the right fruit today? If yes, which one among all Christians that we have today?

Kobojunkie:
1. So do you then agree that your initial claim which is that Scripture is somehow meant to be "interpreted" through what you claim is the lens of faith and is not always logical is not based on Scripture but an idea foreign to Scripture?

2. Can you please provide Scriptural evidence for where the God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ, stated that the Holy Spirit would help us to interpret Scripture? (Scripture is already presented to us in human language and ready to be understood as is written, so I am lost as to why further interpretation is necessary.) I ask because that is another claim I have yet to come upon in Scripture, and I have searched. Jesus Christ instead said that the Holy Spirit — the Spirit of Truth— would reveal that which is hidden, but Jesus Christ never said that the Holy Spirit would help us interpret Scripture. So, please help me out with Scriptural backing for this other Christian ritual you hold to.

3. I wholly agree that all should be judged by the standard that is the Word of God. But I fail to understand why you repeatedly quote from the letter to the Hebrews, an opinion piece — the writer did not in any way assert that this opinion of his comes from the mouth of God so why insist that we accept it as though it is of God.

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To understand faith, hope, mystery, and trust it is vital, as you said, to go back to God, who again, is the author and finisher of our faith. I like God's explanation of faith which He gave to Isaac while explaining how He justified Abraham. As we all know, Abraham was justified by faith, and the components of Abraham's faith are made bare in Genesis 26 by God Himself.
Right there we see what Abraham's faith was all about— made up of. Abraham not only trusted God — He abandoned the idols of His fathers for a God He did not know— but He also obeyed God's every teaching and commandment given Him by this God— Abraham's faith — and for this he, Abraham, was justified. (God didn't suggest that Abraham obeyed Him one time; no, Abraham lived his life in continuous obedience to Gods commandments and statutes and it was for this that he, Abraham, was then justified by God.) If you ask me, this is the best explanation in all of that book of what faith is about. It sheds a whole different light on the opinion expressed in Hebrews 11 vs 1 - 2 by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews. God's very own explanation beats, hands down, all the numerous interpretations that flow regularly from churchian pulpits every week, including the mouths of those from other religions. Why? Because God's explanation makes absolute Scriptural sense. It explains why God's mandate of obedience to His teachings and commandments.

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Can you see how very different what God says is from what men and their many interpretations assert?

while I agree that God's Word is the ultimate authority, I also think it's important to recognize that there are different ways of understanding and applying that Word.

In the end, I think we should strive for a balance between honoring Scripture as our ultimate authority and remaining open to new insights and interpretations.

kkins25:


Some could interpret that women are lesser beings than men, would you agree?

No, I would not agree with that interpretation. While it's true that there are some verses in the Bible that could be interpreted in that way, I don't think that's a fair or accurate understanding of Scripture.

The Bible teaches that all people, regardless of gender, are created in the image of God and have equal worth in His eyes. Furthermore, there are many examples of women in the Bible who were leaders, teachers, and heroes of faith.

So, while some have tried to interpret the Bible in a way that supports inequality between men and women, I think a more careful reading of Scripture shows that this is not the case

maureensylvia:


No, I would not agree with that interpretation. While it's true that there are some verses in the Bible that could be interpreted in that way, I don't think that's a fair or accurate understanding of Scripture.

The Bible teaches that all people, regardless of gender, are created in the image of God and have equal worth in His eyes. Furthermore, there are many examples of women in the Bible who were leaders, teachers, and heroes of faith.

So, while some have tried to interpret the Bible in a way that supports inequality between men and women, I think a more careful reading of Scripture shows that this is not the case

Aren't you now being disingenuous? You say the Holy spirit could cause division so that the people may grow, but now argue that it's not "correct" to interpret the Bible as being misogynistic? Deliberately ignoring numerous instances where women, from the laws of Deuteronomy, are deemed "property."

On what grounds would the Holy Spirit teach apostle A that X is good, but teach apostle B, that same X is bad?

Christianity is a religion, and it is man-made.

You are called to be a Christ, to be just like-christ, and that goal is greater than Christianity, greater than any man-made religion.

jesusjnr2020:
What Makes A True Christian?

A true Christian simply put, is anyone who follows the teachings of Christ.

This is according to Webster, Cambridge, Oxford, Collins dictionaries and also Wikipedia.

The word 'Christian', actually emanated from the world. They were the ones that first called the disciples of Christ, Christians, hence they should know a thing or two about what the word really means.

"And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (Acts 11:26)

Prior to this, Christians were called disciples of Christ, and this is what a true disciple means according to Jesus.

John 8:31 (KJV)

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

So as you can clearly see, the definition of a true Christian according to the "worldly" dictionaries tallies with that Jesus gave of a true disciple.

A true Christian or disciple of Christ is one who follows the teachings of Christ.

God bless.

kkins25:


Aren't you now being disingenuous? You say the Holy spirit could cause division so that the people may grow, but now argue that it's not "correct" to interpret the Bible as being misogynistic? Deliberately ignoring numerous instances where women, from the laws of Deuteronomy, are deemed "property."

On what grounds would the Holy Spirit teach apostle A that X is good, but teach apostle B, that same X is bad?

I'm not trying to be disingenuous, but I think you're confusing two different ideas. The first is that the Holy Spirit can use disagreements to challenge and grow our understanding.

The second is that some interpretations of Scripture are simply more consistent with the overall message of the Bible than others. These are two different concepts, and I don't think they contradict each other. In fact, they work together to help us grow in our understanding of the Bible. It's true that there are difficult and challenging parts of Scripture, but that doesn't mean we should abandon our search for truth or throw up our hands in confusion.

The Holy Spirit teaches us through a variety of means, including scripture, prayer, and the community of believers. The Bible is a complex and multi-layered book, and different people can have different interpretations of its meaning.

So it's not surprising that two people could have different understandings of the same passage. However, I believe that the Holy Spirit guides us towards truth, and that the more we study and pray, the more our understanding will grow and align with God's will. So I don't think the Holy Spirit would deliberately teach one person something that is in conflict with what another person has been taught.

Rather, I think the Holy Spirit works to bring about a deeper understanding of the Bible and God's will over time. The process of studying and understanding the Bible is like a journey, and we can all be at different stages on that journey. So even though two people may have different understandings of a passage, I don't think that necessarily means that one of them is wrong. They may simply be at different stages in their journey of understanding.

Michael547:

Have you found the Christianity with the right fruit today? If yes, which one among all Christians that we have today?

It is not my duty to go looking for Christians with the right fruits. I have seen many Muslims and atheists and Hindus and Christians and etc however, whom I'm certain the gods would need to be dumb if they turn them away from their heavens.

budaatum:


It is not my duty to go looking for Christians with the right fruits. I have seen many Muslims and atheists and Hindus and Christians and etc however, whom I'm certain the gods would need to be dumb if they turn them away from their heavens.

Lol....so are you saying all people from diffrlerent contradictory religions and even those who choose not to believe in God are destined to a promised heaven?
How does that idea lead us to the true religion with the right fruit?

Michael547:

Lol....so are you saying all people from diffrlerent contradictory religions and even those who choose not to believe in God are destined to a promised heaven?
How does that idea lead us to the true religion with the right fruit?

No. I'm saying, if the gods refuse to let those of other religions who have even better fruits than some Christians into heaven, then the gods are dumb.

Please refer to the Parable of the Good Samaritan. The Samaritan did not believe in God as others did, yet Jesus told you to go do as he had done.

As for true religion, I can't say any religion is untrue as far as fruits go.

budaatum:


No. I'm saying, if the gods refuse to let those of other religions who have even better fruits than some Christians into heaven, then the gods are dumb.

Please refer to the Parable of the Good Samaritan. The Samaritan did not believe in God as others did, yet Jesus told you to go do as he had done.

As for true religion, I can't say any religion is untrue as far as fruits go.

So Even when the World's religions contradict each other, they are all true?
Or are you saying that just been good to people makes your religion true?
Which one oga?

maureensylvia:


I'm not trying to be disingenuous, but I think you're confusing two different ideas. The first is that the Holy Spirit can use disagreements to challenge and grow our understanding.

How do you know this? Did the Holy Spirit reveal this to only you? Cause, from what I've read so far, the Holy spirit is supposed to move with one accord.

The second is that some interpretations of Scripture are simply more consistent with the overall message of the Bible than others. These are two different concepts, and I don't think they contradict each other. In fact, they work together to help us grow in our understanding of the Bible. It's true that there are difficult and challenging parts of Scripture, but that doesn't mean we should abandon our search for truth or throw up our hands in confusion.

1. The writer of the books didn't intend that every soul out there would interpret their message differently. The bias in interpretation comes from many factors:
a. The readers' cultural bias
b. The readers' frame of interpretation----- Theologians interpret scripture differently from Scholars, even though scholars have a better interpretation of the bible.
c. Religious background of the reader---- A Jehovah's witness will interpret differently to support their own bias, just like you're doing now.

The Holy Spirit teaches us through a variety of means, including scripture, prayer, and the community of believers. The Bible is a complex and multi-layered book, and different people can have different interpretations of its meaning.

The bible is complex only because it's a document that was written over the span of 1500 years. There are no multiple layers, instead, what we have are the different world views of different groups of people. Different people can have different interpretations, but the real deal is WHAT WAS THE INTENDED MESSAGE OF THE WRITER. That's what matters, not your interpretation.

So it's not surprising that two people could have different understandings of the same passage. However, I believe that the Holy Spirit guides us towards truth, and that the more we study and pray, the more our understanding will grow and align with God's will. So I don't think the Holy Spirit would deliberately teach one person something that is in conflict with what another person has been taught.

Are you saying that all interpretations of the bible lead us towards truth? What of the view of Yahweh being a devil as held by the Gnostic Christians? Hmm? Is that a fruit of the Holy Spirit, too?

Rather, I think the Holy Spirit works to bring about a deeper understanding of the Bible and God's will over time. The process of studying and understanding the Bible is like a journey, and we can all be at different stages on that journey. So even though two people may have different understandings of a passage, I don't think that necessarily means that one of them is wrong. They may simply be at different stages in their journey of understanding.

So, the idea or interpretation that Yahweh is a demiurge, a deity that deludes itself that it is the creator of the universe can be another viable interpretation of the bible instigated by the Holy Spirit?
Or that the disciple that rested their head on Jesus' shoulder during the Last Supper is Jesus' spouse as purported by the likes of Dan Brown?


What you're trying to do here is the very reason why your churches are flooded with pastorpreneurs who use scriptures to amass wealth, rape young girls, widows, troubled wives, and brainwash their members to do absurd things. The Holy Spirit causes confusion is a claim that is no where stated, insinuated, or thought of in the New Testament.


Mark 3:23–27
23 lAnd he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.

Michael547:

So Even when the World's religions contradict each other, they are all true?

The contradictions in the Bible don't make the Bible "untrue", so why should contradictions in religions mean they are not true?

Michael547:
Or are you saying that just been good to people makes your religion true?
Which one oga?

Not, or. Being good to people does require a good understanding of people, which requires love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control to get, to say the least. And if love, joy, etc is gotten from one's religion, I will say that religion is a true religion. It isn't the only true religion however, as most religions teach similar things, one would find if one bothered to check.

Take Christianity for instance. If you remove all the love your neighbour, no body in their right senses but fools would preach Jesus or want to go to heaven I don't think, and practising neighbour love here on earth by oneself is rewarding enough, I'd say, since I wouldn't need to worry about my neighbour stealing from me or killing me.

And yes, I do notice the contradictory politically corrected ˹bondspeople˺, lol.

Plus1234:
■ go and sit down ,you are boring and an id*ot.I doubt you are a Christian,I doubt your mum is a deeperlifer. You look like a Muslim using Taqqiya to deceive and cause confusion here especially for Christians.
● Maybe you have issues in your head and you didn’t complete your drug in Aro.Don’t you have a job? Spamming all Christian topics ,Are you delusional? Are you the devil himself in human body? Do you have health related issues in the head? Are you suicidal? Are you just confused? If you have any of the listed issues above,seek help immediately.I see you running inside the market pantless.

I found here yet another perfect example of a true Christian and a certified Churchian.

budaatum:


The contradictions in the Bible don't make the Bible "untrue", so why should contradictions in religions mean they are not true?


Not, or. Being good to people does require a good understanding of people, which requires love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control to get, to say the least. And if love, joy, etc is gotten from one's religion, I will say that religion is a true religion. It isn't the only true religion however, as most religions teach similar things, one would find if one bothered to check.

Take Christianity for instance. If you remove all the love your neighbour, no body in their right senses but fools would preach Jesus or want to go to heaven I don't think, and practising neighbour love here on earth by oneself is rewarding enough, I'd say, since I wouldn't need to worry about my neighbour stealing from me or killing me.

And yes, I do notice the contradictory politically corrected ˹bondspeople˺, lol.

How can you possibly say that contradictions in religions does not mean they are not true if you are sincere to yourself?, if the bible has contradictions as you claimed, then it can never be true.

Do you actually think we can achieve peace on earth of we don't agree on the standard of what is good and bad?

So are you saying that all religions on earth today are a force for peace love and Joy?
If yes, why do we have crisis in the world today?

Michael547:

How can you possibly say that contradictions in religions does not mean they are not true if you are sincere to yourself?, if the bible has contradictions as you claimed, then it can never be true.

That depends on your definition of "true".

'Thou shalt not steal', is morally true. Thou shalt not murder, is morally true. Love your neighbour, is morally true. The earth was created in 6 days is contradicted by the evidence and literally untrue, but still teaches the creation process that many successfully follow.

Michael547:

Do you actually think we can achieve peace on earth of we don't agree on the standard of what is good and bad?

Religion, Christianity specifically, teaches how to use ones own senses and how to treat ones neighbours, and as soon as people understand that instead of thinking it's a map to some imaginary heaven, we will start building that heaven right here on earth where the lions amongst us will not eat the lambs amongst us.

So yes. I do you actually think we can achieve peace on earth, because the aṣshøles will evolve or die and the pure of heart will thrive. Achievement date is the year 5023.

Michael547:
So are you saying that all religions on earth today are a force for peace love and Joy?
If yes, why do we have crisis in the world today?

I wish I could say that all "religions" on earth today are a force for peace love and Joy, and I would in fact say that if the religion was based on the proper understanding of the relevant religious books, but I can't disregard those who twist the books to line their own pockets and create crisis in the world. There will always be TBJoshua's, unfortunately.

But I am certain that people themselves will read the book and seek understanding, and then use their religious understanding to create peace on earth. I have stated a tentative when, above, only because we humans can be slow to evolve from stupidity to enlightenment.