Laurene:

FYI, no one cares about abortion or democracy shit except from democrats... Those issues won't resonate with independents who still view

There's a lot that's wrong in this post.

But the bolded part alone renders the rest of your post mute. Abortion will be one of the biggest drivers/issues this election. Check the crosstabs from every special election since Roe vs. Wade was overturned. It drives women and men who care about their daughters. And this recent IVF ruling in Alabama and the upcoming Abortion pill hearing in the US Supreme Court will drive it more. That's why Alabama rushed to put out a new law making IVF legal. In fact the polls have consistently underestimated how big of an issue it has been as it has underestimated the wins in the midterms and these special elections.

A court in the state of Georgia has dismissed or struck down six counts in the legal case brought forth by Prosecutor Fani Willis against Trump.
One can envision a scenario where, had these legal proceedings taken place in jurisdictions such as the liberal hellhole DC or New York, the presumption of guilt would have been cast upon Trump even before the commencement of his trial, compromising the principles of due process and fair jurisprudence

Laurene:
Jesse Ventura is a native son and actually popular and well known... He'll balance RFK jnr's ticket. Besides Kennedy is a raging liberal , he only disagrees with the rest of the democrats on vaccines.

You don't understand the coalition that made up Biden's win in 2020... They comprised of never Trumpers and moderate liberal leaning independents.

Biden isn't gonna lose much support from the Dems (maybe roughly 2 percent votes for RFK jnr) but he (RFK jnr) can actually win over left leaning independents and moderates that voted for Biden in 2020... Now they're fed up with him and would never support Biden again.

Third party candidates like Cornel West, Jill stein, RFK jnr and even no label party would actually take way votes mostly from Biden as they're either liberals or former Dems... No way to think they hurt Trump more.
Which conservative or former republican is running to stop Trump?

FYI, no one cares about abortion or democracy shit except from democrats... Those issues won't resonate with independents who still view Biden as too old and incompetent.
Biden is actually old and senile... If you haven't seen videos of him being forgetful, dementia - ridden and cranky then I can see your bias.
I've actually watched alot of Biden clips I still can't find one of him stuttering before now.

Using Haley's voters as a metric can be misleading...Majority of her voters are Biden's 2020 voters comprising of same never Trumpers and democrats. Exit polls showed they approved of Biden and plan on voting for him again... They just voted to troll the primary. They wouldn't even vote for Haley in the primary.

Besides, majority of actual Republicans that voted for Haley would vote for Trump... Check Chris Sununu, Brian Kemp etc... They've endorsed him already.
If you think non of the 30 percent Haley voters wouldn't vote for Trump then I have a mansion in the moon to sell to you... Only those that didn't vote for Trump either times would never vote for him lol... Even Haley would quietly cast her ballot for Trump .

Trump only got 45 percent of republican votes in 2016 primaries and the media were growing how he can never put the pieces back together. At last roughy 90 percent of repubs voted for him... Underestimate Trump at your own peril. He's not a walkover especially against this current Biden.

Trump would give the little dissatisfied Republicans what they need (judges)... I bet he releases list of potential Supreme Court judges. Alito and Thomas would likely retire if Trump wins.
Alot of people including myself might not like Trump's erratic behavior but I bet those Republicans understands what a Republican president would do regardless of whom.

No Republican was expected to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016... She wasn't the strongest non-incumbent running, ever (you can look it up). Trump actually came and destroyed the map and her blue wall. He's messaging appealed to voters in the rust belt and that made him win.
If you think a neocon/establishment republican would have won Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin against Hillary then you don't understand American politics well.
Trump contributed to Hillary Clinton's unpopularity... She had her approval ratings in her 60s until she didn't.

Polls has been showing that Trump would beat Biden in all battleground states even liberal pundits like Nate Silver, Nate Cohn, Nathaniel Ratkich attest to this... so I'm wondering where you're getting the data from.
Which state(s) that Trump won in 2020 do you think Biden can win?

Totally enjoyed your analysis. I am also a conservative voter as well.

I hope you post here more often

Laurene:
Jesse Ventura the famous wrestler and reform party former governor is a popular native Minnesotan to the core and very liberal too. He won with a little known party when no one thought he'd... He's just like Joe lieberman and Lowell Weicker of Connecticut.

Minnesota is a weird state that tends to cast protest votes next to Michigan... He'll easily peel into Biden's electorate breaking off around 10 percent if he runs with RFK jnr. It'll likely be this third best state outside New Hampshire and Maine.

I think the 3rd party candidates wont have as much traction this cycle like the times of Ross Perot which robbed HW Bush

Laurene:

FYI, no one cares about abortion or democracy shit except from democrats... Those issues won't resonate with independents who still view Biden as too old and incompetent.
Biden is actually old and senile... If you haven't seen videos of him being forgetful, dementia - ridden and cranky then I can see your bias.
I've actually watched alot of Biden clips I still can't find one of him stuttering before now.

I think abortion vote is a real issue especially among women. But the thing is Trump abortion plan is a 16weeks grace period which is the middle ground and common sense place which most sensible people can support

Having a 0 day/6weeks ban is as crazy as saying you can abort till 9months

If Trump campaigns on his 16weeks proposal, I wonder what the Democrats will say against that.

Even liberal Europe has a time limit when you can legally abort. Its 12 weeks in Germany and Italy, 14 weeks in Spain/France. UK and Holland are the most lax which is 24weeks
So 16weeks fits right in the middle

The appeal of Trump to his supporters is that he is not a real hardcore conservative, He is very much pro life, pro LGBT, Don't forget he lived in New York all his life. He is anti war unlike most Republicans While speaking to the heart of what many middle class people care about which is Economy stupidd

And if the Democrat plan is the same scare tactics of Trump will kill you, he will deport you, he will crash the stock market etc, Well many voters have experienced 4yrs of Trump and are immune to those attacks

I don't like his persona and wont vote him for personal reasons. I am writing in George W Bush though my state is not really a swing state and wont matter anyway

raumdeuter:


I think abortion vote is a real issue especially among women. But the thing is Trump abortion plan is a 16weeks grace period which is the middle ground and common sense place which most sensible people can support

Having a 0 day/6weeks ban is as crazy as saying you can abort till 9months

If Trump campaigns on his 16weeks proposal, I wonder what the Democrats will say against that.

Even liberal Europe has a time limit when you can legally abort. Its 12 weeks in Germany and Italy, 14 weeks in Spain/France. UK and Holland are the most lax which is 24weeks
So 16weeks fits right in the middle

The appeal of Trump to his supporters is that he is not a real hardcore conservative, He is very much pro life, pro LGBT, Don't forget he lived in New York all his life. He is anti war unlike most Republicans While speaking to the heart of what many middle class people care about which is Economy stupidd

And if the Democrat plan is the same scare tactics of Trump will kill you, he will deport you, he will crash the stock market etc, Well many voters have experienced 4yrs of Trump and are immune to those attacks

I don't like his persona and wont vote him for personal reasons. I am writing in George W Bush though my state is not really a swing state and wont matter anyway

I gotta admit, most of your post was surprisingly rational. Surprising from what I usually read from a lot of other "conservatives" here.

I think you said something unwittingly though.

The appeal of Trump to his supporters is that he is not a real hardcore conservative, He is very much pro life, pro LGBT, Don't forget he lived in New York all his life. He is anti war unlike most Republicans While speaking to the heart of what many middle class people care about which is Economy stupidd

In fact the appeal of Trump is that he is whatever his voters want him to be. To some, he is what you spoke of and to others the 2nd coming of Christ. The real question is that outside of speaking about these things like the Economy, what did he ever do to actually make it work for the people that voted for him? We've had close to 4 years to go over his policies. Can you name 1 that was economically effective? In fact outside of judges that the Federalist society and McConnell were largely responsible for what did he do?

And one more quibble as some conservatives seemed to have blocked out 2020. People, a lot of people did in fact die under Trump. And people are still dying because of the mentality he ushered in. Look at what is going on with the measles, a diseases that was once thought eradicated in the US. So, no "Trump will kill you" were not just scare tactics.

benalvino3:
A court in the state of Georgia has dismissed or struck down six counts in the legal case brought forth by Prosecutor Fani Willis against Trump.
One can envision a scenario where, had these legal proceedings taken place in jurisdictions such as the liberal hellhole DC or New York, the presumption of guilt would have been cast upon Trump even before the commencement of his trial, compromising the principles of due process and fair jurisprudence

This guy really owned the fact that he can't conjugate a verb, so now he's outsourced it to ChatGPT. He got tired of sounding like the least educated person in this thread. lol. The problem for you is that ChatGpt still can't think for you. So, your writing sounds like a child who is just throwing around big words.

Benalvino, here is your pre BenalvinoChatGPT self with some sage advice written in your iconic non-conjugating writing style.

bemeruca:

It is nice to see you have calm down with your dictionary. You think using dictionary words you don't understand makes you make sense. lol
keep this up.

The days of the dictionary talk. lol. Where is BraniacX. This guy really turned to ChatGPT to sound like me.. lol.

IjeBos:


This guy really owned the fact that he can't conjugate a verb, so now he's outsourced it to ChatGPT. He got tired of sounding like the least educated person in this thread. lol. The problem for you is that ChatGpt still can't think for you. So, your writing sounds like a child who is just throwing around big words.

Benalvino, here is your pre BenalvinoChatGPT self with some sage advice written in your iconic non-conjugating writing style.


The days of the dictionary talk. lol. Where is BraniacX. This guy really turned to ChatGPT to sound like me.. lol.

Do you mean I sound moody and petulant? That is the tone I perceive anytime you respond 😃
You are 45+ years old.

raumdeuter:


I don't like his persona and wont vote him for personal reasons.

A lot of people feel the way you do and won't vote for him for personal reasons.

benalvino3:


Do you mean I sound moody and petulant? That is the tone I perceive anytime you respond 😃
You are 45+ years old.

Just make me 60. It'll make a better narrative for you. You know you and those stories and lies you depend on.

I hail thee BenalvinoChatGPT. Takes a certain kind of person to know their deficiencies and to try to make them better. Some would have just taken an English class though.

IjeBos:


Just make me 60. It'll make a better narrative for you. You know you and those stories and lies you depend on.

I hail the BenalvinoChatGPT. Takes a certain kind of person to know their deficiencies and to try to make them better. Some would have just taken an English class though.

Ask your buddy ChatGPT what you call someone who has 4 kids he doesn't take care of. Let me do it for you.

Kikikikikiki

Trump went to the basilico school of Technology.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1768084611798626519

IjeBos:


There's a lot that's wrong in this post.

But the bolded part alone renders the rest of your post mute. Abortion will be one of the biggest drivers/issues this election. Check the crosstabs from every special election since Roe vs. Wade was overturned. It drives women and men who care about their daughters. And this recent IVF ruling in Alabama and the upcoming Abortion pill hearing in the US Supreme Court will drive it more. That's why Alabama rushed to put out a new law making IVF legal. In fact the polls have consistently underestimated how big of an issue it has been as it has underestimated the wins in the midterms and these special elections.

I might have underrated the issue of the abortion but I believe it won't have much graven effect as people anticipate... Voters have short memory of issues and Trump is also the moderate of the republican bunch on abortion issues.

I still believe Republicans underperformed in 2022 due to Roe v Wade that was overturned few months before people started casting their early ballots. It slowed the their momentum and drove moderate voters to the democrats column.

Remember Youngkin won a Biden plus 10 state just a year after he won it in the presidential level... It was an impressive victory! They tried tying him to Trump but it didn't resonate among voters.

Democrats were on the defense and confused on what to attack Republicans with until abortion gave them the lifeline.

raumdeuter:


Totally enjoyed your analysis. I am also a conservative voter as well.

I hope you post here more often

Thanks... I'll try to post. Work schedule is tight.
I've been on nairaland quite some years but I rarely comment.

raumdeuter:


I think the 3rd party candidates wont have as much traction this cycle like the times of Ross Perot which robbed HW Bush

I think they'll... Not necessarily a Ross Perot kinda performance but a strong performance too.

Gary Johnson got 3 percent of the votes and Jill Stein got 1 percent but they got it higher in states that mattered and that offseted things.
People are gonna vote third party in this cycle especially when both leading candidates are highly disliked.

I believe RFK jnr's support would collapse a little due to polarisation but I think he'd get roughly 5 to 8 percent of the votes at the end. He may even make it to the debate and lay down his case more.

He'll get the highest number of votes since Ross Perot 1996'... I place my money on 6 percent. It'll be enough to alter the final result.

I estimate third partiers to get within 10 to 11 percent of the entire votes cast.

raumdeuter:


I think abortion vote is a real issue especially among women. But the thing is Trump abortion plan is a 16weeks grace period which is the middle ground and common sense place which most sensible people can support

Having a 0 day/6weeks ban is as crazy as saying you can abort till 9months

If Trump campaigns on his 16weeks proposal, I wonder what the Democrats will say against that.

Even liberal Europe has a time limit when you can legally abort. Its 12 weeks in Germany and Italy, 14 weeks in Spain/France. UK and Holland are the most lax which is 24weeks
So 16weeks fits right in the middle

The appeal of Trump to his supporters is that he is not a real hardcore conservative, He is very much pro life, pro LGBT, Don't forget he lived in New York all his life. He is anti war unlike most Republicans While speaking to the heart of what many middle class people care about which is Economy stupidd

And if the Democrat plan is the same scare tactics of Trump will kill you, he will deport you, he will crash the stock market etc, Well many voters have experienced 4yrs of Trump and are immune to those attacks

I don't like his persona and wont vote him for personal reasons. I am writing in George W Bush though my state is not really a swing state and wont matter anyway

The abortion issue is real but overblown...and yes Trump is moderate on abortion.
Your analysis is spot on until you said you won't vote for him. If he fits your narrative, why can't you just close your eyes and vote for him?

I also have personal reservation about him but I'd never vote for a warmongerer in Bush. I'd have voted for Bush in 2004 and Obama 2008 but I won't vote for either Bush or Romney if they ran now. I hate forever wars.
Trump promises peace regardless of his flaws. I believe if he wins, Ukraine would be forced to make peace with Russia which is good for world stability.

People don't know that Trump is one of the most moderate candidate in today's GOP... He's actually liberal on social issues but conservative on policies.

Laurene:
I might have underrated the issue of the abortion but I believe it won't have much graven effect as people anticipate... Voters have short memory of issues and Trump is also the moderate of the republican bunch on abortion issues.

I still believe Republicans underperformed in 2022 due to Roe v Wade that was overturned few months before people started casting their early ballots. It slowed the their momentum and drove moderate voters to the democrats column.

Remember Youngkin won a Biden plus 10 state just a year after he won it in the presidential level... It was an impressive victory! They tried tying him to Trump but it didn't resonate among voters.

Democrats were on the defense and confused on what to attack Republicans with until abortion gave them the lifeline.

Abortion is indeed a serious issue. People are voting based on that.

benalvino3:


Abortion is indeed a serious issue. People are voting based on that.

Can I see any data that shows abortion is a top tier concern for voters?

Laurene:
Can I see any data that shows abortion is a top tier concern for voters?

Laurene things add up. 2000 people, 10000 people can swing an election. Roe v. Wade by galvanized many Democratic voters concerned about preserving abortion rights. This helped Democrats perform better than expected, we use to talk about the red wave remember? Exit polls showed abortion was a pivotal issue, with about 27% of voters saying it was their primary deciding factor. So the timing of the SCOTUS was not good as abortion motivated dems to come out and vote.

benalvino3:


Laurene things adds up. 2000 people, 10000 people can swing an election. Roe v. Wade by galvanized many Democratic voters concerned about preserving abortion rights. This helped Democrats perform better than expected, we use to talk about the red wave remember? Exit polls showed abortion was a pivotal issue, with about 27% of voters saying it was their primary deciding factor. So the timing of the SCOTUS was not good as abortion motivated dems to come out and vote.

I think we have to take notice of media narrative. Is abortion a bigger issue than illegal immigration.
A country like Venezuela. They just don't want to spend money feeding inmates, easiest thing- Ship the criminals out to Joe Biden.
The media as we now know is the democrat mouth piece.. The issue of abortion is being overblown.
CNN viewers will rank abortion top on their list in their poll Every other media house will repeat those results.
I don't think a majority want unbridled illegal immigration.
Another top issue is inflation.Joe grew inflation from 1.4 to 9 percentage points. Results. Price increases with no corresponding wage increase. The voting comes to bread and butter issues. Between Trump and Joe, every voter knows how the economy performed under their reign.Every voter had money to spend during both regimes***Key***
How prices have risen.If you blame it on Ukraine war everyone knows Biden has made it worse.

IjeBos:


I gotta admit, most of your post was surprisingly rational. Surprising from what I usually read from a lot of other "conservatives" here.

I think you said something unwittingly though.


In fact the appeal of Trump is that he is whatever his voters want him to be. To some, he is what you spoke of and to others the 2nd coming of Christ.

Many voting decisions are based off what this person says. Many of the democratic campaigns promises over the years to their base have gone unfulfilled yet they continue to get votes

Trump does not support many core Republican campaign topics.
Like his views on wars, abortion LGBT rights, even on affordable Healthcare

The truth is that Democrats and Republicans over the years have been playing most of the populace

One takes an unreasonable position the other side takes the other far position

They spend decades debating and grinding things to a standstill as a result
E.g everyone knows there is a midpoint between 0 day abortion and 9months abortion but they wont go there
There is a midpoint between kids can change gender and any LGBT should be given shock therapy but they won't

There is a midpoint between an over militarized police force and decriminalization of crime

In most cases there is a sensible mid point but each side will pull to the extreme and end up doing nothing. When you do nothing it's the people who get screwed

It's these people who get screwed that became tired of all the promises and disappointment that are now willing to Bleep everything and just vote Trump

On immigration what was wrong with the remain in Mexico policy that cannot be built on but must be canceled on first day and now given rise to the current border crisis?

What was wrong with the Abraham accord that cannot be built on and must be canceled and is the current situation in the middle east now better?

The more politicians make promises do nothing the more populists like Trump appeal to people

basilico:


I think we have to take notice of media narrative. Is abortion a bigger issue than illegal immigration.
A country like Venezuela. They just don't want to spend money feeding inmates, easiest thing- Ship the criminals out to Joe Biden.
The media as we now know is the democrat mouth piece.. The issue of abortion is being overblown.
CNN viewers will rank abortion top on their list in their poll Every other media house will repeat those results.
I don't think a majority want unbridled illegal immigration.
Another top issue is inflation.Joe grew inflation from 1.4 to 9 percentage points. Results. Price increases with no corresponding wage increase. The voting comes to bread and butter issues. Between Trump and Joe, every voter knows how the economy performed under their reign.Every voter had money to spend during both regimes***Key***
How prices have risen.If you blame it on Ukraine war everyone knows Biden has made it worse.

These various topics serve as driving forces that compel individuals to vote. What raumdeuter was saying is that issues like abortion rights provide voters with compelling reasons to cast their votes. For instance, opinion polls may indicate that the electorate perceives President Biden as a more trustworthy steward on matters such as climate change or abortion rights compared to Trump. While voters primarily motivated by the abortion issue may constitute a relatively small segment, their collective vote adds up.
However, you have to acknowledge that media outlets often frame narratives in a manner that aligns with their ideological leanings. They may selectively amplify or diminish the prominence of certain issues to suit their preferred political drivels. In this case, the inopportune timing of the SCOTUS decision on abortion rights afforded media entities an opportunity to overplay the issue.

Laurene:
The abortion issue is real but overblown...and yes Trump is moderate on abortion.
Your analysis is spot on until you said you won't vote for him. If he fits your narrative, why can't you just close your eyes and vote for him?

I also have personal reservation about him but I'd never vote for a warmongerer in Bush. I'd have voted for Bush in 2004 and Obama 2008 but I won't vote for either Bush or Romney if they ran now. I hate forever wars.
Trump promises peace regardless of his flaws. I believe if he wins, Ukraine would be forced to make peace with Russia which is good for world stability.

People don't know that Trump is one of the most moderate candidate in today's GOP... He's actually liberal on social issues but conservative on policies.

From your username I am guessing you are female and probably black
I have spoken to a few black female and I think they are the most anti Trump demographic. And the abortion thing is the first thing they all mention.

Even if I like Trump policies, I can't support him because of personal reasons. For example in my county GOP, Trump has started endorsing people for local elections some that he probably didn't know theor antecedents just because they came to him or kissed his ring harder. Some of them don't even have conservative principles, never attended meetings locally, never shown up to the constituency just that they met with Trump and he endorsed them. By election time they just flash their Trump endorsement No background on them or whatever they did in the past. A few of them Won primaries in my state and are likely going to win election without checking their bonfides

You can't just run a party based on having your loyalists everywhere

I love George W Bush. You can say he went to war but that was a war forced on him the moment 911 happened and he did everything to defend America

You cannot have prosperity if enemies think they can attack your country at will. The few times ISIS was running riot circa 2015, many cities in Europe had to shut down for a few days cos people were scared

I also supported Bush and Obama. I was even at Grant Park in Chicago the day Obama won in 2008

If Romney or Bush contest now, I will vote them. America needs real conservative leadership we are a country right of center and those men fit the bill but I understand those who won't

Laurene:
I might have underrated the issue of the abortion but I believe it won't have much graven effect as people anticipate... Voters have short memory of issues and Trump is also the moderate of the republican bunch on abortion issues.

I still believe Republicans underperformed in 2022 due to Roe v Wade that was overturned few months before people started casting their early ballots. It slowed the their momentum and drove moderate voters to the democrats column.

Remember Youngkin won a Biden plus 10 state just a year after he won it in the presidential level... It was an impressive victory! They tried tying him to Trump but it didn't resonate among voters.

Democrats were on the defense and confused on what to attack Republicans with until abortion gave them the lifeline.

Abortion's just not an issue that people will forget. Roe v. Wade touched on issues like IVF and even birth control. And unfortunately for Republicans people like having sex. And the draconian laws and stories resulting from the overturning are nuts.
In some states a 13 y.o. girl who is raped by say her uncle, must deliver the baby and to make matters worse, if/when the uncle gets out of jail he can get parental custody of that child. Nuts.
Also there was a story of a woman who needed and abortion to remove a fetus that wouldn't survive birth and delivering that baby could cause life threatening issues for her. Texas wouldn't allow her to so she had to leave the state to do it. Nuts.

As to Youngkin, that was pre Roe v Wade ruling. So, you're making my point about abortion.

raumdeuter:

From your username I am guessing you are female and probably black
I have spoken to a few black female and I think they are the most anti Trump demographic. And the abortion thing is the first thing they all mention.

Even if I like Trump policies, I can't support him because of personal reasons. For example in my county GOP, Trump has started endorsing people for local elections some that he probably didn't know theor antecedents just because they came to him or kissed his ring harder. Some of them don't even have conservative principles, never attended meetings locally, never shown up to the constituency just that they met with Trump and he endorsed them. By election time they just flash their Trump endorsement No background on them or whatever they did in the past. A few of them Won primaries in my state and are likely going to win election without checking their bonfides

You can't just run a party based on having your loyalists everywhere

I love George W Bush. You can say he went to war but that was a war forced on him the moment 911 happened and he did everything to defend America

You cannot have prosperity if enemies think they can attack your country at will. The few times ISIS was running riot circa 2015, many cities in Europe had to shut down for a few days cos people were scared

I also supported Bush and Obama. I was even at Grant Park in Chicago the day Obama won in 2008

If Romney or Bush contest now, I will vote them. America needs real conservative leadership we are a country right of center and those men fit the bill but I understand those who won't

I think black women are actually every republican's lowest appealing demographic... It's not just a Trump thing. We keep seeing the result with other candidates since Reagan 80'. A quarter of young black men are more likely to vote republican than their women. Young black women also tend to be more liberal and uncouth than their male.

Conservative black women like Candace Owens, Kimberly Klacik, Winsome Sears, Diamond and Silk and Loretta King would vote for Trump.
There are more conservative black men than conservative black women. I can't really name a popular conservative black man that won't vote for Trump. If Tim Scott that's establishmentarian would vote for Trump over Haley that appointed him to the senate then it proves Trump's strength. Trump is on track to get the highest number of black vote for a republican presidential candidate since Dwight Eisenhower.

Which county is that? Regarding the issue, I don't think Trump do meddle in local elections that much. He only tried after the 2020 election brouhaha to change the trajectory of state politics in order to avert what happened prior... Of course he didn't succeed in all.
For instance, this cycle he has only endorsed few loyal state legislators that aren't being facing serious challenges. He only endorsed David Covey in Texas 34 against the speaker Dade Phelan because he impeached Ken Paxton even though it failed in the senate. Ken Paxton faces same lawfare that Trump is facing... If the people of Texas didn't like Paxton they'd have voted him out.
So the notion that Trump endorses in local elections to assert control is farfetched... That's liberal talking points. He mostly endorses those that seek it. Bush endorsed and campaigned for loyal candidates too... So no wrong in that.

I can never support Neocons again, they're out of touch with the current republican party. Bush and Cheney left office with abysmal approval ratings. He can't even influence his district race in Texas right now. The Republican Party has been undergoing changes since 2016 with the rise of the tea party, Trump only tapped into the disaffection. That's why George. P. Bush lost his primary for Attorney General and Liz Cheney was soundly defeated. Romney is retiring too... More would follow suit if Trump wins.
Likewise can be said of the Dems... Once Biden is out they'll start nominating far leftists like AOC and Jamal Bowman.

Alot has changed in American politics since the last 20 years... If Trump leaves tomorrow or dies, the movement continues.

IjeBos:


Abortion's just not an issue that people will forget. Roe v. Wade touched on issues like IVF and even birth control. And unfortunately for Republicans people like having sex. And the draconian laws and stories resulting from the overturning are nuts.
In some states a 13 y.o. girl who is raped by say her uncle, must deliver the baby and to make matters worse, if/when the uncle gets out of jail he can get parental custody of that child. Nuts.
Also there was a story of a woman who needed and abortion to remove a fetus that wouldn't survive birth and delivering that baby could cause life threatening issues for her. Texas wouldn't allow her to so she had to leave the state to do it. Nuts.

As to Youngkin, that was pre Roe v Wade ruling. So, you're making my point about abortion.

I'm against extreme abortion measures but I think there should be limitations.
I only referenced Youngkin because you're trying to make it seem why the red wave didn't happen was because of Trump.

I still believe the red wave failed to materialize because of Roe V Wade... Some candidates running in swing states were hard-core prolife anti abortionists. Abortion moderate district and statewide Candidates won.

Lots of Republicans has moderated in this cycle. They won't be seen as nutjobs again.

raumdeuter:


Many voting decisions are based off what this person says. Many of the democratic campaigns promises over the years to their base have gone unfulfilled yet they continue to get votes

Trump does not support many core Republican campaign topics.
Like his views on wars, abortion LGBT rights, even on affordable Healthcare

The truth is that Democrats and Republicans over the years have been playing most of the populace

One takes an unreasonable position the other side takes the other far position

They spend decades debating and grinding things to a standstill as a result
E.g everyone knows there is a midpoint between 0 day abortion and 9months abortion but they wont go there
There is a midpoint between kids can change gender and any LGBT should be given shock therapy but they won't

There is a midpoint between an over militarized police force and decriminalization of crime

In most cases there is a sensible mid point but each side will pull to the extreme and end up doing nothing. When you do nothing it's the people who get screwed

It's these people who get screwed that became tired of all the promises and disappointment that are now willing to Bleep everything and just vote Trump

On immigration what was wrong with the remain in Mexico policy that cannot be built on but must be canceled on first day and now given rise to the current border crisis?

What was wrong with the Abraham accord that cannot be built on and must be canceled and is the current situation in the middle east now better?

The more politicians make promises do nothing the more populists like Trump appeal to people

I think that's both siding it.
There used to be a time when sensible solutions could come in play, but since Karl Rove began planning to have a permanent minority majority and started pushing all these gerrymandered districts, the politics have become more polarized. And the Republican party has moved far right and the Dems have even moved further right. Look at Manchin, the media called him a moderate. What made him a moderate?

You spoke of Romney, he was a Republican governor of Liberal Massachusetts. Which meant he would have been a moderate Democrat, well until he got on the national stage. His great idea in Mass. later turned into ObamaCare. Look what happened to that.

I don't like that word "middle". What does it mean. I think the media's usage of middle and moderate is very problematic. If I want your baby and you say no, is the middle position to cut the baby in half? The reason why a lot of people get screwed is because they elect leaders intent on screwing them. Again, just look at the states with the best education, health care, economies, that give more to the Fed government then they get back, there is a clear pattern of Republican states generally at the bottom of those lists. And it comes full circle about educated voters.

Quickly,
-I thought the remain in Mexico policy broke the spirit of the asylum law. And it probably cost us a ton of money, because we obviously had to bribe Mexico to keep that policy. Why else would Mexico allow all those migrants to remain in their country? But that was a patch on the system. The problem was the asylum laws. You are upset about immigration but this would be the 2nd time in 20 years that a immigration bill had bipartisan support and it was scuttled because of Republicans. The first time was under Bush. You are asking why things don't work, look no further than the Republican party.

-As to the Abraham accord, the Biden administration did try to build on it. That was a mistake. Who would have thought that in order to find a resolution between two parties, both parties have to engage. The Abraham accord tried to go around the Palestinians by basically economically bribing Israel's Arab neighbors. If you were a Palestinian would you have been ok with that? It reeked of more colonialism.

Laurene:
I'm against extreme abortion measures but I think there should be limitations.
I only referenced Youngkin because you're trying to make it seem why the red wave didn't happen was because of Trump.

I still believe the red wave failed to materialize because of Roe V Wade... Some candidates running in swing states were hard-core prolife anti abortionists. Abortion moderate district and statewide Candidates won.

Lots of Republicans has moderated in this cycle. They won't be seen as nutjobs again.

The problem is your party isn't against extreme abortion measures. That's why it's an issue. Some are talking about a Fed. abortion ban. IVF ban. Birth control ban. Pretty nutty stuff. And they are abusing the Judicial system to do so.

Trump single handedly lost them a lot of seats by picking very nutty candidates like Herschel Walker.

Which Republicans moderated? Trump forces everyone to ride the crazy train with him. He has taken over the RNC and put in charge his daughter. He also elevated a 2020 election denier as their Election lawyer. lol. This is Trump's party and you're either onboard with his brand of crazy or you're off the train.

The amount of Republican House resignations are a sign of things to come.

IjeBos:


I think that's both siding it.
There used to be a time when sensible solutions could come in play, but since Karl Rove began planning to have a permanent minority majority and started pushing all these gerrymandered districts, the politics have become more polarized. And the Republican party has moved far right and the Dems have even moved further right. Look at Manchin, the media called him a moderate. What made him a moderate?

You spoke of Romney, he was a Republican governor of Liberal Massachusetts. Which meant he would have been a moderate Democrat, well until he got on the national stage. His great idea in Mass. later turned into ObamaCare. Look what happened to that.

I don't like that word "middle". What does it mean. I think the media's usage of middle and moderate is very problematic. If I want your baby and you say no, is the middle position to cut the baby in half? The reason why a lot of people get screwed is because they elect leaders intent on screwing them. Again, just look at the states with the best education, health care, economies, that give more to the Fed government then they get back, there is a clear pattern of Republican states generally at the bottom of those lists. And it comes full circle about educated voters.

Quickly,
-I thought the remain in Mexico policy broke the spirit of the asylum law. And it probably cost us a ton of money, because we obviously had to bribe Mexico to keep that policy. Why else would Mexico allow all those migrants to remain in their country? But that was a patch on the system. The problem was the asylum laws. You are upset about immigration but this would be the 2nd time in 20 years that a immigration bill had bipartisan support and it was scuttled because of Republicans. The first time was under Bush. You are asking why things don't work, look no further than the Republican party.

-As to the Abraham accord, the Biden administration did try to build on it. That was a mistake. Who would have thought that in order to find a resolution between two parties, both parties have to engage. The Abraham accord tried to go around the Palestinians by basically economically bribing Israel's Arab neighbors. If you were a Palestinian would you have been ok with that? It reeked of more colonialism.

It will be disingenuous to blame one side when Democrats have ruled white house for 12 of the last 16yrs and voters dissatisfaction is this high. The easier thing for me to do is to lay the blame solely at the feet of Democrats but you are even doing worse and trying to blame the Republicans solely who have ruled white house for 25% of the time

And where is Manchin today? He is leaving the Senate, where is Sinema he is leaving the senate, the leading voices in the Democratic party are the AOC, the Sanders, Warren who some of their positions would have been treasonable 40yrs ago yet you claim the Democratic party is moving right? No the Democratic party is moving way to the left

What was the Democratic policy on LGBT say 30yrs ago and what is it now? What was the democratic party policy on crime 30yrs ago, what of on immigration? Does that look like its moving right or left?

I understand middle and it means compromise, no policy is as white and black as baby live or cut in half. There are compromises to be made
to make progress in any situation else we stall and nothing moves at all


On your thoughts about remain in Mexico. What is wrong with "bribing another country" We have been bringing countries for decades in the past to achieve stability in our homeland? The bribe of Mexico vs the chaos we have in the land now which is worse.
So we first break the system that is controlling the situation and now go to find a solution to what we spoilt

Abraham accord basically is to broker peace between Israel and their neighbors so we don't have to be bogged down with never ending ME crisis and deaths. It gives the responsibility to control to the neighbors culturally similar and familiar with Palestine.
There are many Arab countries who are opening up Saudi Oman Bahrain UAE Qatar are now embracing liberal ideas. Women can drive, as an example, These countries need Western money in form of tourism money and oil sales. To get these money flowing and mutually beneficial, control the extremist and terrorists(Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa) on your side and US on our side we ensure flow of business, You get to host WWE MMA fights, you host world cup, you make more money. Make money instead of hiding in bush to be throwing bombs and strapping your kids with suicide vest

Now compare to where we are today. Since then how many have died. Is that ok for the Palestinians? over 35k people dead, 80% of their land destroyed, On the Israel side 1500 killed on October 7 over 200 hostage many rockets flying in everyday

Is this worse than the Abraham accord? Will Palestinians prefer their current situation to the "terrible Abraham accord"

IjeBos:


The problem is your party isn't against extreme abortion measures. That's why it's an issue. Some are talking about a Fed. abortion ban. IVF ban. Birth control ban. Pretty nutty stuff. And they are abusing the Judicial system to do so.

Trump single handedly lost them a lot of seats by picking very nutty candidates like Herschel Walker.

Which Republicans moderated? Trump forces everyone to ride the crazy train with him. He has taken over the RNC and put in charge his daughter. He also elevated a 2020 election denier as their Election lawyer. lol. This is Trump's party and you're either onboard with his brand of crazy or you're off the train.

The amount of Republican House resignations are a sign of things to come.

Some are talking about a 15 weeks abortion ban which is moderate.
Ironically, nobody has abused the justice system more than the democrats... We've seen it countlessly.
There are hardliners in both parties. So don't make it seem like the Republicans only have the crazies.

Ronna McDaniel was Mitt Romney's niece so did he elevate her to same position too? Does it matter as long as they deliver? You guys would find fault in anything.

Resignations are from Uniparty Bush Rinos that are dying off and are afraid they won't be recognized again. Republicans only had 2 resignations.. Bill Johnson and Ken Buck.

You guys are entering this election with so much confidence of which may backfire... You're reading so much meaning to 2022.
November would be a true and final test of voter's stance on Trump and Biden.
Dems are election deniers too. I hope you'd blame Biden and not Americans if he loses?

You're trying to make it seem like Trump's a walkover. Those Trump endorsed candidates that lost are not Trump and I'm confident Trump stands a chance against Biden. Your peeps really hoped Trump would be convicted this year so you guys can have talking points.

We'll see how it ends!

Laurene:
Some are talking about a 15 weeks abortion ban which is moderate.
Ironically, nobody has abused the justice system more than the democrats... We've seen it countlessly.
There are hardliners in both parties. So don't make it seem like the Republicans only have the crazies.

Ronna McDaniel was Mitt Romney's niece so did he elevate her to same position too? Does it matter as long as they deliver? You guys would find fault in anything.

Resignations are from Uniparty Bush Rinos that are dying off and are afraid they won't be recognized again. Republicans only had 2 resignations.. Bill Johnson and Ken Buck.

You guys are entering this election with so much confidence of which may backfire... You're reading so much meaning to 2022.
November would be a true and final test of voter's stance on Trump and Biden.
Dems are election deniers too. I hope you'd blame Biden and not Americans if he loses?

You're trying to make it seem like Trump's a walkover. Those Trump endorsed candidates that lost are not Trump and I'm confident Trump stands a chance against Biden. Your peeps really hoped Trump would be convicted this year so you guys can have talking points.

We'll see how it ends!

These people are far left zombies. Just so you know. Biden is never wrong. All the things going down on the border is the fault of republicans

raumdeuter:


It will be disingenuous to blame one side when Democrats have ruled white house for 12 of the last 16yrs and voters dissatisfaction is this high. The easier thing for me to do is to lay the blame solely at the feet of Democrats but you are even doing worse and trying to blame the Republicans solely who have ruled white house for 25% of the time

And where is Manchin today? He is leaving the Senate, where is Sinema he is leaving the senate, the leading voices in the Democratic party are the AOC, the Sanders, Warren who some of their positions would have been treasonable 40yrs ago yet you claim the Democratic party is moving right? No the Democratic party is moving way to the left

What was the Democratic policy on LGBT say 30yrs ago and what is it now? What was the democratic party policy on crime 30yrs ago, what of on immigration? Does that look like its moving right or left?

I understand middle and it means compromise, no policy is as white and black as baby live or cut in half. There are compromises to be made
to make progress in any situation else we stall and nothing moves at all


On your thoughts about remain in Mexico. What is wrong with "bribing another country" We have been bringing countries for decades in the past to achieve stability in our homeland? The bribe of Mexico vs the chaos we have in the land now which is worse.
So we first break the system that is controlling the situation and now go to find a solution to what we spoilt

Abraham accord basically is to broker peace between Israel and their neighbors so we don't have to be bugged down with never ending ME crisis and deaths. It gives the responsibility to control to the neighbors culturally similar and familiar with Palestine.
There are many Arab countries who are opening up Saudi Oman Bahrain UAE Qatar are now embracing liberal ideas. Women can drive, as an example, These countries need Western money in form of tourism money and oil money. To get these money flowing and mutually beneficial, control the extremist and terrorists(Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa) on your side and US on our side we ensure flow of business, You get to host fights, you host world cup, you make more money. Make money instead of hiding in bush to be throwing bombs and strapping your kids with suicide vest

Now compare to where we are today. Since then how many have died. Is that ok for the Palestinians? over 35k people dead, 80% of their land destroyed, On the Israel side 1500 killed on October 7 over 200 many rockets flying in everyday

Is this worse than the Abraham accord? Will Palestinians prefer their current situation to the "terrible Abraham accord"

That dude makes it seem as though only Republican Party is dysfunctional. There are Manchin and Sinema aren't running for reelection partly because the Dems forced them out. They basically voted 90 percent with Joe Biden but it wasn't enough.
After Joe Biden the Dems would start nominating AOC, Warren and Rashida to top positions.
Kamala is a creep and would be farther to the left of Biden.