Michael547:

You said Jesus became a son on earth. That is why you agree that the Father has a greater rank.

So where did you see "...in heaven" from?

If you answer this first we will continue.

So before Jesus came to the earth, how did the father have a greater rank? If the father did not have a greater rank while Jesus was in heaven, why is he given the title 'son'?

Emusan:


Block head!

Did I say Jesus ONLY BECAME A SON on Earth?

What does this tell you?

YOU ARE TOO QUICK TO INSULT PEOPLE IT'S NOT GOOD, PLEASE CHANGE. AS A CHRISTIAN YOU ARE MEANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL

ARE WE ACTING LIKE JESUS?

capnies:

YOU ARE TOO QUICK TO INSULT PEOPLE IT'S NOT GOOD, PLEASE CHANGE. AS A CHRISTIAN YOU ARE MEANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL

ARE WE ACTING LIKE JESUS?

I too quick to insult, well I didn't insult.

So focus on the thread

Emusan:


So where did you see "...in heaven" from?

If you answer this first we will continue.

Oga the pics below is my question about the structure of the Trinity in heaven before Jesus came to the earth and after he went back to heaven.
Did you deny that there was no 'Son' in heaven? Or are you insinuating that the 'son' here does not refer to Jesus?



My question remains:
So before Jesus came to the earth, how did the father have a greater rank? If the father did not have a greater rank while Jesus was in heaven, why is he given the title 'son'?

Michael547:

Oga the pics below is my question about the structure of the Trinity in heaven before Jesus came to the earth and after he went back to heaven.
Did you deny that there was no 'Son' in heaven? Or are you insinuating that the 'son' here does not refer to Jesus?

Provide the full screenshot of that my post

Let's if lack of simple comprehension is not in play here.

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Modified!

It was not on that screenshot but on that screenshot I said the first part of your post has been answered.

Which is what I answered with the screenshot below.

When Jesus talks about the Only True God, He includes Himself in the definition of that God.

Jesus does not have an existence outside of God. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh:

John 1:1-4

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That is why Jesus said that the Son must be honoured in the same way that the Father is to be honoured:

That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father" John 5:23.

Steep:
If Jesus calls the father " the only true God" does that mean Jesus is not God?

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

In Jesus prayer to his father, he asked the father to glorify him so that he will in turn glorify the father.
Not that Jesus has not being glorifying the father but Jesus wanted to glorify his father more and more.
Jesus glorified his father with his life, his miracles, his teachings and his death. Also after his resurrection Jesus continued to glorify his father, Today Jesus brings glory to his father as he had always done.
The father is glorified when he sees the life, the character of his son in we who are Christians.
Everyday as we grow towards maturity in christ Jesus, as the character of christ continue to develop in us, we bring glory to God our Father. Now to the question,
If Jesus describe the father as the only true God does that mean he is not God?

Emusan:


Provide the full screenshot of that my post

Let's if lack of simple comprehension is not in play here.

Here is the full screenshot....where did you deny the presence of a 'son' in heaven?

Michael547:

Here is the full screenshot....where did you deny the presence of a 'son' in heaven?

I've modified my post read it again.

With that I never used the phrase "...in heaven"

Just admit you inserted that by yourself.

TruthHurts1:
When Jesus talks about the Only True God, He includes Himself in the definition of that God.

Jesus does not have an existence outside of God. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh:

John 1:1-4

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That is why Jesus said that the Son must be honoured in the same way that the Father is to be honoured:

That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father" John 5:23.

How come the only Almighty true God who is Jesus says that the father is greater than him in John 14:28. And that he does not know the hour of Judgment in Matt 24:36?

Michael547:

How come the only Almighty true God who is Jesus says that the father is greater than him in John 14:28. And that he does not know the hour of Judgment in Matt 24:36?

You're still repeating this nonsense after you have been provided with Phil 2:7

Emusan:


I've modified my post read it again.

With that I never used the phrase "...in heaven"

Just admit you inserted that by yourself.

Ok oo mr Modifier......what is the structure of the Trinity in heaven now?

Emusan:


You're still repeating this nonsense after you have been provided with Phil 2:7

Oga that question was not directed at you....it is directed at your fellow Trinitarians, Mr truthhurts and mr steep, who have been surprisingly contradicting your own understanding of the trinity saying that Jesus was Almighty God on earth.

Michael547:

Ok oo mr Modifier......what is the structure of the Trinity in heaven now?

The answer was already in the second screenshot you provided in full, check and stop going backward.

Michael547:

Oga that question was not directed at you....it is directed at your fellow Trinitarians, Mr truthhurts and mr steep, who have been surprisingly contradicting your own understanding of the trinity saying that Jesus was Almighty God on earth.

They never contradicted me, check your understanding of their post well.

Emusan:


They never contradicted me, check your understanding of their post well.

Oga stop saying what you don't know. Here is evidence below.

Michael547:

Oga stop saying what you don't know. Here is evidence below.

He said this: "Since Jesus is both God and man, the father is greater than him as a man.
The father is not in the flesh, so it does not apply to him."

If you don't understand what he said, why can't you ask him for further clarification instead of jumping into conclusion on what he didn't say?

That's why your screenshot is different from what you said before.

Emusan:


The answer was already in the second screenshot you provided in full, check and stop going backward.

Ok....in your screenshot you agreed that there Is God the Father, the Son and holy Spirit(the son and holy spirit are not referred to as God in heaven) according to you.
You also quoted 1 cor 15:28 that says that Jesus would hand over to the father that 'God may be all in all'. Does that mean that the son and the Holy Spirit would no longer be identified? And that we would only have the father?

Emusan:


He said this: "Since Jesus is both God and man, the father is greater than him as a man.
The father is not in the flesh, so it does not apply to him."

If you don't understand what he said, why can't you ask him for further clarification instead of jumping into conclusion on what he didn't say?

That's why your screenshot is different from what you said before.

Oga you are confused....somebody said Jesus was both Almighty God and man while on earth and you are still defending the person. Are you guys not funny? Where does someone start understanding this your trinity from?

My advice is always put on your thinking cap when reading a post not just to rush and reply, if you don't understand the point nothing wrong in saying 'please clarify what you mean here or there'.

Michael547:

Ok....in your screenshot you agreed that there Is God the Father, the Son and holy Spirit(the son and holy spirit are not referred to as God in heaven) according to you.

My usage of God is that it applies to the THREE not the way you put it as "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit"

You also quoted 1 cor 15:28 that says that Jesus would hand over to the father that 'God may be all in all'. Does that mean that the son and the Holy Spirit would no longer be identified? And that we would only have the father?

You're still asking the same question using different format.

The answer is in the screenshot you provided before check it again.

Emusan:
My advice is always put on your thinking cap when reading a post not just to rush and reply, if you don't understand the point nothing wrong in saying 'please clarify what you mean here or there'.



My usage of God is that it applies to the THREE not the way you put it as "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit"



You're still asking the same question using different format.

The answer is in the screenshot you provided before check it again.

So if the word God applies to the three, why is the statement 'God the son' and 'God the holy spirit' wrong?


Lol...oga how does the old testament describe God?
Are you insinuating that God the Father, the Son and holy spirit is not revealed in the old testament?

You have still not told me how the father has a higher rank in heaven oo. If he does not have, how come Jesus is given the title 'son' in heaven?

Michael547:

Oga you are confused....somebody said Jesus was both Almighty God and man while on earth and you are still defending the person. Are you guys not funny? Where does someone start understanding this your trinity from?

You're the confused one here!

Did he make any post after that to clarify or you asked him what he meant by that?

So you don't conclude on something until you get clarification on the position of the person.

Trinity is very simple to understand, that you are looking for it to be false is where the problem lies.

Emusan:


You're the confused one here!

Did he make any post after that to clarify or you asked him what he meant by that?

So you don't conclude on something until you get clarification on the position of the person.

Trinity is very simple to understand, that you are looking for it to be false is where the problem lies.

Oga that statement is direct and clear. Why must there always be an hidden meaning in every of you guys statement? So you that claim that Jesus was not an Almighty God on earth still have an hidden message in that statement?

You see how it sweet as you are asking your questions and I'm replying accordingly but when I ask my own don't turn your blind eyes and pretend you didn't see it.

Michael547:

So if the word God applies to the three, why is the statement 'God the son' and 'God the holy spirit' wrong?

It's wrong as it make it confusing as if They are THREE DIFFERENT GODS, reason why you used DISTINCT GODS(plural) earlier.

Lol...oga how does the old testament describe God?

The OT described God as someone who sit in heaven but also can be on earth or any other part in the universe, the OT also talks about plurality of ONE GOD and also The OT says God CREATED everything ALL BY HIMSELF.

Are you insinuating that God the Father, the Son and holy spirit is not revealed in the old testament?

It's not but the idea that God can manifest in many ways were stated in the OT.

You have still not told me how the father has a higher rank in heaven oo. If he does not have, how come Jesus is given the title 'son' in heaven?

Jesus only became SON on earth which means Jesus was never a SON in heaven.

Can you provide the scripture where Jesus was given the TITLE 'SON' IN HEAVEN?

Michael547:

Oga that statement is direct and clear. Why must there always be an hidden meaning in every of you guys statement? So you that claim that Jesus was not an Almighty God on earth still have an hidden message in that statement?

If it's so, then no need for him to came up with the second statement.

Emusan:
You see how it sweet as you are asking your questions and I'm replying accordingly but when I ask my own don't turn your blind eyes and pretend you didn't see it.



It's wrong as it make it confusing as if They are THREE DIFFERENT GODS, reason why you used DISTINCT GODS(plural) earlier.



The OT described God as someone who sit in heaven but also can be on earth or any other part in the universe, the OT also talks about plurality of ONE GOD and also The OT says God CREATED everything ALL BY HIMSELF.



It's not but the idea that God can manifest in many ways were stated in the OT.



Jesus only became SON on earth which means Jesus was never a SON in heaven.

Can you provide the scripture where Jesus was given the TITLE 'SON' IN HEAVEN?

Jesus himself Said in John 12:49 that his 'father' sent him to the earth. So why would Jesus obey such a command and refer to God as father if he himself was not a son in heaven before coming to the earth?

1 cor 15:28 that you quoted earlier clearly states what Jesus would do in heaven and refers to him as a 'son' handing over the kingdom to 'God' and 'father'.
Did Jesus ever deny himself being a son in heaven?

So how are we to understand the plurality of the one God spoken of in the old testament?

Emusan:


If it's so, then no need for him to came up with the second statement.

What second statement?
Somebody Said that Jesus was both Almighty God and man on earth and you say he made two statements. Is he saying Jesus being a man invalidate him being the Almighty God on earth?
Oga you are the one jumping into conclusion of a discussion that you are not following.

Emusan:


That's not what my post meant

I meant, they know every accusations brought against Jesus even the scriptures they used.



As clarified above, I guess you understand my point now.

Of course they don't know their actions is leading to the fulfillment of God's plan even when it is written in the scriptures they are using against Jesus.

I don't disagree with you I only pointed out what they thought they were doing, they thought they were eliminating a threat.
And again christ was their enemy because he exposed their evil works so they wanted to eliminate him the more.

Human being might think they are protecting themselves by taking a position against God but end up destroying themselves that was the case of the jews that killed christ.

Michael547:

Since he limited himself to his humanity, why do you still claim that he was the Almighty God while on earth? Someone that told you that the father was greater than him and that he does not know the hour of Judgement.

He had two natures the nature of God and man at all times but however, he limited himself to his humanity. The fact that he limited himself to his humanity doesn't mean he is not God Almighty. Christ had the full nature of divinity within him all through but operated on the constraint on his humanity.
That was why Jesus said the father is greater than he is.

Michael547:

Oga you are confused....somebody said Jesus was both Almighty God and man while on earth and you are still defending the person. Are you guys not funny? Where does someone start understanding this your trinity from?

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Steep:
He had two natures the nature of God and man at all times but however, he limited himself to his humanity. The fact that he limited himself to his humanity doesn't mean he is not God Almighty. Christ had the full nature of divinity within him all through but operated on the constraint on his humanity.
That was why Jesus said the father is greater than he is.

So Jesus made himself not to know the hour of judgment😆......how can someone who has limited himself to the point of saying that the father is greater than himself, still call himself God Almighty while on earth? Does that make sense? How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ?

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