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Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by ahmedio2017(m): 3:32pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547: Lolz confusion |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 3:52pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547: You are a fool, how can the human nature be more powerful. Jesus called himself the 'I AM' a name which only Almighty God bear. So going by your logic when the angel of The Lord told lot that he cannot do anything until lot has gone to shelter in other city, it means lot was more powerful than the angel. Genesis 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. 🤣 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 3:54pm On Mar 21 |
ahmedio2017:sharap slave of alah, follower of a pedophile criminal called prophet Mohammed. 🤣 I am not surprised both of you are in league. Allah does not even know what he made first, such a clown god. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by ahmedio2017(m): 4:17pm On Mar 21 |
Steep: You guys should face each other na don't drag Allah into this as I don't have strength to stress myself. And again don't let us divert from the topic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Michael547(m): 4:25pm On Mar 21 |
Steep:Where did Jesus call himself the 'I am' to mean that he was the Almighty God? read the context of the passage at John 8:58 and see whether he was talking about his identity or the length of his existence. Then we can know who the fool really is. Genesis 19:22 clearly showed that the angel was less powerful than God who was bringing the destruction and not lot. So when Jesus said the father was greater than himself, does that not pass a message? So who is the fool now? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by TenQ: 4:59pm On Mar 21 |
ahmedio2017:There is ONLY one True God and His name is Yahweh. The Father is Yahweh The Word is Yahweh and The Holy Spirit is Yahweh The Father is the Only True God The Word is the Only True God and The Holy Spirit is the Only True God For Comprehension, Here is the whole chapter
1. verse 2: Jesus says He gives eternal life to people 2. verse 5: Jesus had the Glory with the Father before anything was made 3. verse 10: Jesus said that ALL the Father Has is His own 4. verse 14: Jesus claimed that He is NOT of this world 5. verse 24: Jesus claimed to have His glory before the foundation of the world If verse 3 is true, will you be humble enough to accept that verses 2, 5, 10, 14 and 24 are also true. Therefore, since the one true God exists as a Trinity this means that the three Persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually and collectively. Putting it another way: 1. The Trinity is the only true God. 2. Each specific member of the Trinity is the only true God. Therefore, the members of the Trinity are the only true God, whether individually or collectively. This is why Jesus can speak of one member of the Trinity as the only true God without this implying that the other members are not God. To make this point more clear, the book of Hebrews says of Jesus (the son), Yahweh says Hebrews 1:8-12 "But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.’ He also says, ‘In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’" 1. Here the Son (Jesus Christ) is referred to as God by Yahweh whose throne will last for ever and ever. 2. Yahweh says of the Son that He laid the foundations of the heavens and the earth as they are the works of His hands. If you understood the scriptures below, you will not be confused 1. John 1:1-5 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth." Consistent with John Chapter 17 1. The Word had being from the beginning 2. The Word was God 3. The Word Created ALL things 4. Nothing was made without the Word 5. The Word became Human 6. The Word is Jesus So also, 2. Col 1:15-17: "Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Consistent with John Chapter 17 1. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God 2. He created ALL things and ALL Beings 3. Everything was Created by Him and For Him 4. In Jesus everything consist. Therefore, if you believe verse 3 of John 17 is true, it is necessary to believe that the rest of the narrative of Jesus is the Truth. Finally to you Muslims 1. According to Islam, who can give eternal life to people? 2. According to Islam, who exists before all things? 3. According to Islam, who created Allah things? Jesus said: He is the One who gives the three above to humans 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 5:16pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547:🤣🤣 What is this one saying? Go back and read what you wrote you are arguing with yourself. 🤣 it is not about God the angel said that he cannot do anything (a limitation) except lot is sheltered, so according to you lot is greater than the angel? Jehovah witness confusion. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 5:19pm On Mar 21 |
ahmedio2017:Why did you come here? 😂you have thrown Michael under bus na na, you decieved him like allah the best of all decievers. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 5:24pm On Mar 21 |
MaxInDHouse: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT DID I DO |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Michael547(m): 5:36pm On Mar 21 |
Steep:What is exactly your point oga.....did the angel admit that lot was greater than him or insinuated base on the situation on hand, where lot sheltered determined what God would allow him to do? How is that The same thing with Jesus clearly saying that the father in heaven is greater than him. And this same Almighty Jesus Also said he did not know the hour of Judgment. Does that not show that just like the angel, Jesus too was lesser to God? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 5:38pm On Mar 21 |
Steep: reread what you wrote. And listen to yourself. HOW DO EXPLAIN 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3 THAT SAY THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 5:54pm On Mar 21 |
capnies:what is the problem of 1cor 11 vv 3since Jesus became a man his father became his God. When a Son works for his father, his father becomes his employer that does not mean he is no longer a Son. When Jesus became man his father became his God that does not mean he is no longer God, the Father himself called Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 6:18pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547:Have you forgotten what you wrote just now? At bold How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ? 😂When the angel could not do anything was it lot that impeded him? You can't see your poopoo, you said it was God that would not allow him, meaning God limited the angel not lot, I have told you that it is Jesus that limited himself to his humanity. 🤣When Jesus submitted himself to be killed by men does that mean they were greater than him? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:09pm On Mar 21 |
capnies: Ọmọ just believe in the doghead oh sorry i mean to say "godhead" that's all! ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:10pm On Mar 21 |
capnies: oh! That's simple it simply means the godhead! ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 7:18pm On Mar 21 |
MaxInDHouse:keep blaspheming against Jehovah you will give account. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:21pm On Mar 21 |
Steep: Guy what is God's name? If you can't say it in one word then you and i aren't worshiping the same God. So keep your doghead to yourself! ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by achorladey: 7:43pm On Mar 21 |
MaxInDHouse: The name Jehovah given by those you say they worship DOGHEADS. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Too much madness and insanities peddling dey your brains ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Summary of you and your religious organisation ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by achorladey: 7:45pm On Mar 21 |
Steep: Abeg help me ask am is he talking about the name Jehovah which those he said worship DOGHEADS gave to the their so called one only and only religious organization doing God's will? ![]() ![]() ![]() This na the reason I do say this guy too like to dey peddle madness and insanities packed into his brains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Michael547(m): 7:47pm On Mar 21 |
Steep:So Jesus limited himself not to know the hour of judgment right? So Jesus who was also equal to the father in heaven was also commanded to come to earth According to Jesus himself in John 12:49. This same Jesus who is Almighty God on earth still says his father is greater than him. Ok oo....you are making sense. Ride on. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547: NO! The doghead did because Jesus always reveal everything he knows to his dear friends! |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by ANTlISLAM: 9:08pm On Mar 21 |
ahmedio2017: God is one, We are serving one true God.. I believe you can differentiate between God and Gods |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 9:35pm On Mar 21 |
achorladey:D guy dey pitable, governing body nor dey allow dem think. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:42pm On Mar 21 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by AutoConsult: 9:49pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547:Ah dey feel you since o😂😂 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 10:33pm On Mar 21 |
Michael547: 🤣 sharap there, According to jw.org Jehovah is personally limited to heaven alone. Your organization teaches that Jehovah is limited spatially to only a section in heaven. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/god-omnipresent/ Your organisation teaches that Jehovah is Adaptable. See a snippet of jw.org [b] Jehovah—The Most Adaptable Being in the Universehttps://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() At colored green your organistion teaches that jehovah takes different roles to fulfill his will. 🤣🤣😂 They even said takes on different roles as the need arises, guess whose needs? Human beings, meaning human nature can make God take different roles. Now in in your own words Micheal how come Almighty God takes different roles because of humans? They teach that Jehovah changes hid decision because of man, and that Jehovah is not rigid concerning his authority. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10 Another bomb shell!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() Jehovah can indeed place limitation on himself Is God not wonderful? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=Limitations&fc%5B%5D=bk&p=par&r=occ Hahahaha hiohiohio. Who is the confused one now ehen |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 10:34pm On Mar 21 |
MaxInDHouse:shame on you, hypocrite. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 10:36pm On Mar 21 |
AutoConsult:you dey feel rubbish, hahaha, confused lots. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 10:44pm On Mar 21 |
Jehovah witness organization has Just confirmed that Jesus is Almighty God, how. Jesus is the one that placed limitation on himself. ![]() Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Jesus placed the limitation on himself to become a servant that is why he said the father is greater than him. Micheal clown and co thinks that since Jesus limited himself he can not be God at the same time, we can also say that since Jehovah placed limitation on himself he ceases to be God. ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MightySparrow: 2:14am On Mar 22 |
Steep: John 10:30-33 [30]I and my Father are one. [31]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. What can you make out of these verses? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:13am On Mar 22 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 6:07am On Mar 22 |
MightySparrow:This was another reason, there were many reasons why they wanted to kill Jesus. |
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