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Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 6:09am On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse:unique name that was from people you claim worship doghead? Where in the bible did Jesus personally mention God's unique name? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:31am On Mar 22 |
Steep: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH" Mark 12:29 Here Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4 “Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH" If that name doesn't appear in your own copy of the Bible it simply means the translators have replaced God's name with the title "THE LORD" ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 6:51am On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse:That was Jesus quoting the old testament scripture, not that he personally used the name in his prayer or teachings to his disciples. By the way the original translation is not Jehoavh it is YWYH which would be closer to yahweh not Jehovah. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:21am On Mar 22 |
The original Hebrew writing doesn't include the alphabet "J" which means the name Jesus is inappropriate. Do you agree? ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by AutoConsult: 8:20am On Mar 22 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Emusan(m): 9:34am On Mar 22 |
Michael547: Now where in John 12:49 that Jesus made that statement, stop injecting your word into God's word. Here is John 12:49 " For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken." 1 cor 15:28 that you quoted earlier clearly states what Jesus would do in heaven and refers to him as a 'son' handing over the kingdom to 'God' and 'father'. Jesus became A Son when He came to earth and He is still a Son now reason why the Trinity formula was formulated. So how are we to understand the plurality of the one God spoken of in the old testament? That is very simple, it simply means God can manifest in many ways He wants and He still won't stop to be God. Now answer my question, can God appears in 36 states of Nigeria AT ONCE and still be IN HEAVEN? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by johnw47: 11:28am On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool lost false jw mad max always loving to mock and blaspheme Father, Son and Holy Spirit, of course: Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Emusan(m): 11:35am On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse: Olodo.... Jehovah is a coined name by a Catholic mock While Jesus: It is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as Iesous (Ἰησοῦς: pronounced "ee-ay-SUS" ![]() The fact is, watchtower even knows that Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 12:12pm On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse:But we Christians don't see it as a big deal. Call Jesus, yeshua or lesus, or Jesu, it does not mean. The only name given for men to be saved is Jesus not Jehovah or yahweh. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 12:17pm On Mar 22 |
Emusan:🤣 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by bobestman(m): 12:21pm On Mar 22 |
Jesus is a god not a God |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 1:01pm On Mar 22 |
Steep: STORY FOR THE gods, this was written after Jesus ascending to heaven. YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU WONT WHAT OF 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 there's only one God and one mediator between God and Men; the man Jesus Christ. The word AND is a conjunction joining two or more things, meaning that there is God and the is a mediator are they equal? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 1:05pm On Mar 22 |
Steep: WHERE IS JESUS NOW? ATLEAST THAT WILL SOLVE IT ALSO 1 CORINTHIANS 15:27-38 SAYS AT THE END THE SON WILL COME UNDER THE FATHER , THAT THE FATHER MIGHT BE ALL IN ALL is that also the beginning? |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 1:08pm On Mar 22 |
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=129042061] oh! That's simple it simply means the godhead! ![]() YOU'RE making fun of them |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by capnies: 1:16pm On Mar 22 |
Steep: BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, IS NOT BEING GOD UNDERSTAND THAT. JESUS SAID ALL POWERS HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME; WHO GAVE HIM THE POWER IS THE OWNER OF THE POWER. FOR THE GLORY SET BEFORE HIM, HE ENDURED THE CROSS, WHICH OTHER GLORY DOES GOD NEED. GOD HAS ALSO HIGHLY EXALTED JESUS: CAN GOD BE EXALTED? TO WHAT? FOR the fact that false doctrine has been preached for centuries doesn't make it correct. NONSENSE IS NONSENSE IRRESPECTIVE OF FROM WHOSE LIPS IT COMES FROM. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 1:23pm On Mar 22 |
capnies:Even that verse answered your question. "The man Christ Jesus" is the mediator between God and man. Jesus is still a man in heaven. Jesus is both man and God, even watchtower teaches that God can take different roles to fulfill his will. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 1:33pm On Mar 22 |
capnies:Lol, that same 1 Corinthians answered your question. "He must reign till enemies are put under his feet" Read Hebrews 2 This is about Christ humanity, that was exalt and glorified. Christ became a man for a purpose that is to die and rise again and then reign over all things till he has subjected all things to his father and then he subjected his humanity to the father. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 1:47pm On Mar 22 |
capnies:lol🤣 so you now know Jehovah witness organization can spill nonsense nice one. However, they got it right that Jehovah can take different roles and Jehovah can place limitation on himself, that is exactly what Jesus did. Chritiendom has being telling you for ages Jesus is God tlwho took on limitation by taking the humanity. Lol ![]() Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Incase you don't know colosians says Jesus has all the attributes of Almighty God in its full extent in him, there is nothing God Almighty Can't do that Jesus can't do. If God Almighty is uncreated so is Jesus, anything God is Jesus is. This is Paul telling You Jesus is the very God not a lesser god or wannabe god but the very God. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:06pm On Mar 22 |
Steep: You don't get it. We also don't care whether you call JEHOVAH or YAHWEH what matters is that the Almighty God has a unique name JEHOVAH and that name must be made known! John 17:6,26 As for the name Jesus it's not calling it that will save anyone rather it's doing the will of his father JEHOVAH {Matthew 7:21-23} so if you're calling Jesus' name but failed to know what he said about the importance of the saviour who saved him then you've derailed. This is what God's word said: “everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.” Joel 2:32 That's what Paul quoted for his Christian brothers! Romans 10:13 So to be saved we must call on the name of JEHOVAH and doing exactly what His Son asked us to do {Matthew 17:5} and making sure what we do in service to God is backed by the Spirit of God which is LOVE. John 13:34-35 compare to 1John 4:8 That's what in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit means! Matthew 28:19 |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 3:16pm On Mar 22 |
MaxInDHouse:Hope you know Almighty God is also God's name? God introduce himself as Almighty God to Abraham not Jehovah. Did God tell you to made known the name for Jehovah? As for the name Jesus it's not calling it that will save anyone rather it's doing the will of his father JEHOVAH {Matthew 7:21-23} so if you're calling Jesus' name but failed to know what he said about the importance of the saviour who saved him then you've derailed.surely you know better than Jesus. Surely you know better than Phillip and the apostles. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. This is what God's word said:that means Jesus is Jehovah, because the Lord in the new testament is actually the Lord Jesus. Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: See how don't know anything, Jesus commissioned Paul to witness for his name. Paul was actually referring to Jesus. Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. You have just exposed jw rotten teaching once again, Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Peter was actually quoting this verse and using Lord instead of Jehovah mening Jesus is Jehovah. Paul said both jews and gentiles who call upon the Lord would be saved. The question is which name did they call? 1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:20pm On Mar 22 |
Steep:God Almighty is not a name but TITLE it's like saying "Headteacher" ![]() Steep:This is what happened among the Jews who knew the name of the God JEHOVAH and also knew the works of God's Holy Spirit so what is missing in their faith is the name of God's Son "Jesus" that's why they must be baptized in the name their leaders despised: JESUS! Steep: Deluded Churchian if Jesus is Jehovah how come David in his Psalms said "Jehovah said to my Lord sir at my right hand" Psalms 110:1 Peter quoted this verse to tell his listeners that resurrected Jesus was ordered by Jehovah to sit at God's right hand in heaven! Act 2:3 So according to you Jesus was actually talking to himself to sit at his own right hand. Even when Stephen gazed into the sky he saw Jesus at God's right hand. Ọmọ you're a professional professor of pastoral knowledge. Twaile! ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Emusan(m): 7:24am On Mar 23 |
MaxInDHouse: Did you get it yourself? We also don't care whether you call JEHOVAH or YAHWEH You care and dishonest about it. Have you used YAHWEH in any of your write up before? So you always glorified the less accurate JEHOVAH than Yahweh the evidence is even here on this this post. what matters is that the Almighty God has a unique name JEHOVAH and that name must be made known! John 17:6,26 Yet you don't care but you still go ahead to say the Almighty God name is 'JEHOVAH', why not Yahweh if you don't care? Well, the truth is the moment you people start using the more accurate name Yahweh the more your organisation is crumbling. As for the name Jesus it's not calling it that will save anyone rather it's doing the will of his father JEHOVAH {Matthew 7:21-23} so if you're calling Jesus' name but failed to know what he said about the importance of the saviour who saved him then you've derailed. Now you're started rewritten the scriptures. The scriptures says it's ONLY JESUS NAME that Salvation is found Acts 4:12 but the lying liar jws like his father the Devil says No! The scripture is wrong. Just show me where any one called on the name Jehovah in the New Testament. The name recorded that people called on in the New Testament is Jesus' Name. This is what God's word said: That the NT writers quoted OT and applied them to Jesus shows Jesus is truly The Almighty God. Paul applied that verse to Jesus not Jehovah The same Paul recorded that Christians in all places are calling on the NAME JESUS and not Jehovah, that shows that Paul knew what the Holy Spirit says in Joel and to have applied it to Jesus Christ. So to be saved we must call on the name of JEHOVAH and doing exactly what His Son asked us to do {Matthew 17:5} and making sure what we do in service to God is backed by the Spirit of God which is LOVE. John 13:34-35 compare to 1John 4:8 THIS IS PURE LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL. To be saved this is what the scripture says "Only Jesus has the power to save! His name is the only one in all the world that can save anyone." - Acts 4:12 Only people using by the Devil can comfortable telling lies against God and His Word as you people do. That's what in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit means! Matthew 28:19 Can you imagine this nonsense conclusion? 1 Corin 1:2: To God's church in Corinth. Christ Jesus chose you to be his very own people, and you worship in his name, as we and all others do who call him Lord. - CEV to the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be saints together with all those in every place who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: - Mounce The challenge is to provide a verse like this in the New Testament about Jehovah. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 4:46pm On Mar 23 |
MaxInDHouse:"Dumb head" God Almighty was the name God used to appear to Abraham. Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. This is what happened among the Jews who knew the name of the God JEHOVAH and also knew the works of God's Holy Spirit so what is missing in their faith is the name of God's Son "Jesus" that's why they must be baptized in the name their leaders despised: JESUS!So who did Jesus declare God's name to, since the jews already know God's name? Can you shown me where anyone baptized in Jehovah's name? Churchian if Jesus is Jehovah how come David in his Psalms saidkingdom hall goer,Yahweh is the name of God while the Lord is a reference to Jesus when he had taken human form. It is used to distinguish between the two persons of Jehovah. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 4:48pm On Mar 23 |
Emusan:Watch how he will dribble you without even answering you. Don't take him serious but ensure you expose his ignorance because of others that may read. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:36pm On Mar 23 |
Steep: This is enough Sir. So there are two persons bearing the same name. Thanks for your time! ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Steep(m): 9:41pm On Mar 23 |
MaxInDHouse:yea three actually, the father, the word and the Holy ghost they three are Jehovah. |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 10:59pm On Mar 23 |
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Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 11:02pm On Mar 23 |
Emusan: Emusan LYING dim wit gifted with stupidity. Oga, wetin be Hebrew name Joseph and Mary dell call their Son? Is Latin the language of Christ parents? Is Latin the language of the Jewish family Christ was born into? Oga ,Your MUMU theory about Yahweh nah comic relief. Emusan education nah purtohpurtoh. Money your parents cough out to educate you was wasted. !!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 11:05pm On Mar 23 |
Steep: Man made GIBBERISH very steep. ![]() For your mind, @ Matthew 27:46 was Jehovah crying to himself?. ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 11:11pm On Mar 23 |
Emusan:Yes, JW's use the name Yahweh too. I have done so on this platform many times . I have done so in my previous Convo with Oga Steep times without numer. Go & verify this fact, Emusan liar. ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 11:18pm On Mar 23 |
Emusan: Very foolish post. Yahweh NOT more accurate than Jehovah. Oga, kindergarten pupils go dey laugh you if they ever found out you posted this gibberish. Emusan: Emusan LYING miscreant. You no dey make post like person wey go school. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Calls The Father " The Only True God" Does That Mean Jesus Is Not God? by Janosky: 11:49pm On Mar 23 |
Emusan:Emusan LYING miscreant, what did Jesus teach you in John 17:3? You must know the name of Jehovah the God of Jesus Christ, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to get salvation, Revelation 19:1 dey there ooo! John 17:3 & Revelation 3:12, Nah Jesus Christ talk am to shame LYING miscreants ![]() Emusan: Revelation 19:1,3,4,6. After these things, I heard what sounded like the loud voice of a large crowd in heaven, saying, "Hallelujah! Salvation, glory, and power belong to our God The expression "Hallelujah" meaning Praise Jehovah/Yahweh. @Revelation 3:12, John wrote & Christ said "I will write upon him the name of my God." Revelation 3:12 Jesus revealed he is NOT the God of anybody in heaven. Revelation 19:1, everybody owes salvation to the God of Jesus Christ. Shame on Emusan LYING miscreants ![]() ![]() Halleluyah!!!! |
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