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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 1:16pm On Mar 26 |
Straybullet:Lol...you are very dubious. Ok.....did Jesus worship with Peter? What is your answer? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 1:26pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547: Like Peter like judas There are no companions in worship. Only people you relate with....neighbours, people you encounter in your journey through life. 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 1:38pm On Mar 26 |
I agree with the op. How can these denominations be the church? Which of these denominations isnfree from evil? And if they are not free how can they be the church since Jesus said the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church? The gates of hell has prevailed against the Denominations in the issue of morals so they can't be the church |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 1:39pm On Mar 26 |
bobestman: Denominations are not church like the op said |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 1:46pm On Mar 26 |
Kobojunkie: I use the roman church to mean the primeval Catholic Church. All in communion with Rome are included including the patriarchate of alexandria, antioch, Jerusalem, Rome and constantinople 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 1:47pm On Mar 26 |
BreconHills: You have wisdom on these issues bro. You should comment on these issues often. 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 1:57pm On Mar 26 |
Straybullet:πππ......you are a very dubious man. Your brain could not help but to compare peter to Judasπ. I'm very sure you would have denied that Jesus disciples apart from Judas actually worshipped God. So all the people you come across with, non of them is worshipping God like you? Do you see that it's seems only you would be saved? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:35pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547:. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 7:08pm On Mar 26 |
MaxInDHouse: This is intellectual Laziness and dishonesty at the same time. You have shied away from addressing the serious points the op has raised. Instead you're turning it into a matter of banter... Oga...denominations are not of God. Mention one that is the church...is it Catholic, or Greek orthodox , or coptoc, or Lutheran or pentecostal Which one of them has not succumbed to the gates of hell with respect to moral failures and manifesting flesh If you are not capable of the kind of theological sophistication the op and others have been displaying here stay away abeg! Did Jesus start a church Do you even know the history of what you call church If you like don't start seeking the true church and continue dancing waist dance in your dead denominations 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:31pm On Mar 26 |
newbornmacho: . |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 7:36pm On Mar 26 |
newbornmacho:What is the True church? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 8:18pm On Mar 26 |
MaxInDHouse: Which church of christ? The one founded by Thomas Campbell and his son Alexander in America in the 19th century? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 8:19pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547: The op has been trying to explain something, you have been trying to trap him and he has skillfully evaded your traps. Why not allow him land? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:38pm On Mar 26 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 8:46pm On Mar 26 |
MaxInDHouse: Answer me first. Is it that church of christ that you're referring to? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:50pm On Mar 26 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 8:52pm On Mar 26 |
MaxInDHouse: So you're ashamed of identifying as a member of your church? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:53pm On Mar 26 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 8:59pm On Mar 26 |
newbornmacho:I have been asking op to land and he has not been able to land. He claims that we can never know anyone else that worships God. So how did Jesus disciples know themselves and worship God together? That is what he has not been able to answer. Hope you are not confusing the word 'church' to mean buildings? Church actually means a congregation of people that gather together to worship God irrespective of their location on earth. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 9:12pm On Mar 26 |
MaxInDHouse: Woww..he's not happy to mention the name of his church....why |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 9:12pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547: Op are you there? 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 9:15pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547:Op has made it abundantly clear that even your denomination has nothing with Jesus Christ and the God of Israel who instead prescribed for His followers an idea and understanding far away from that which you keep pushing. You confuse the word church to imply a collection of people connected via an organization, a system of this world ruled over by your GBs. Jesus Christ instead described His own church as a set of branches only joined together, not by any other idea but by Him. Each node/branch of Jesus Christ's church is not even joined by location or commonalities that have to do with this earth. They could be scattered away from each other yet connected to the master who is Jesus Christ. Notice the stark difference between what you call church and that which is in fact of Jesus Christ? 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by 99thEnemy(m): 9:28pm On Mar 26 |
newbornmacho: Historically, the Catholic Church was not considered a denomination in the same sense as other Christian denominations. The Catholic Church traces its origins directly to the teachings and ministry of Jesus Christ and the apostles, as described in the New Testament. It was the dominant and unified Christian institution for many centuries before the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century led to the emergence of various Protestant denominations. The term "denomination" is typically used to describe the different branches or groups within Christianity that emerged after the Protestant Reformation, distinguishing them from the Catholic Church. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by newbornmacho(m): 9:47pm On Mar 26 |
99thEnemy: Unified The protestant reformation is a 16th century thing. The coptic church...ie the see of alexandria broke away in 451AD , there was the arian controversy that split the church in half ideologically, nestorius also, the Eastern orthodox broke away in the 11th century...what is the definition of unity again? JESUS DID NOT START ANY CHURCH Jesus said he would build his church, and he is doing that. These churches founded by man are distractions 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by 99thEnemy(m): 9:51pm On Mar 26 |
newbornmacho:Exactly 2 Likes |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 10:17pm On Mar 26 |
Kobojunkie:Oga no need for epistle. Who are the true followers of christ today? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:19pm On Mar 26 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 10:28pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547:The followers of Jesus Christ are those who are commanded ONLY by Jesus Christ --- they hear His voice alone and are taught by Him alone. They do not belong to any organization of this world nor are they commanded by any group of men. They belong only to the Vine that is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. That is what Jesus Christ established in His Gospel. His Gospel and Word of God β Jesus Christβ is the same today as it was in the beginning -- almost 2000 years ago-- and will always be. 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 10:33pm On Mar 26 |
Kobojunkie:Who are these people? Where are they? Can we identify them? Do you know anyone of them? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 10:39pm On Mar 26 |
99thEnemy:1. The Catholic Church was not the first denomination. Rather it was the major denomination that prevailed during the beginning of the Christian movement -- a movement that sought to insert itself into the Jesus Christ narrative for personal and political gain --- over the rest. 2. There is no direct connection between Jesus Christ, the New Testament, and the Catholic. Most of the so-called early church fathers were non-Israelites, those whom Jesus Christ referred to as dogs and warned His disciples not to give His teachings to. How could there be said to exist a connection between Jesus Christ and the very people whom He said were not welcome in His foldβ dogs aka non-Israelites? 3. The Catholic Church/Enterprise maintained its dominance, yes, notoriously by squashing the competition for many many centuries. But that does not mean it was the first denomination nor that it was truly. There are records of internal political battles within the Catholic enterprise throughout the same period. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:43pm On Mar 26 |
Kobojunkie: |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 10:44pm On Mar 26 |
Michael547:1. Jesus Christ, the vine, is the one who knows them. Jesus Christ did not establish an institution of men on earth to keep a record of His branches on His behalf. So, do not for one sad moment think your organization here on earth is somehow licensed by him in some ridiculous way.. 2. Jesus Christ said to His followers of His other followers that by their fruit you shall know them. Those who belong to Him bear fruits of Obedience and can identify the others when they encounter them. The very light of Jesus Christ shines from each one of His own no matter how far away the person may be located. I have personally never met one of the others but I believe what Jesus Christ said is nothing but the Truth of God. No matter how much you try to fake it, your organization here on earth will never be able to duplicate this fact of Jesus Christ. Ask the Catholic church before you and you will know. 1 Like |
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