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Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 7:58pm On Mar 26 |
justlove91: The devil can preach love to deceive people. As long as he makes you think your righteousness, your works of love and goodness can save you he has won. He will do anything...absolutely anything...to deceive people and keep them from obtaining the righteousness which is by faith in the Lord Jesus, the root of David, who came in the flesh, died for our sins, resurrected on the third day, was seen by many, ascended, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 8:00pm On Mar 26 |
Steep: Try as he may his lies are glaring. They contradict the Word of God, make no sense scripturally. Only those who want to be deceived will be deceived. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by Steep(m): 8:19pm On Mar 26 |
CaptainJune:True those who reject that gospel are the ones going to be deceived. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 9:07pm On Mar 26 |
CaptainJune: Can you even hear yourself? Why shouldn't your works of love and goodness not enough to save you? Why should we need faith in Jesus to get saved?? If salvation is by our works then nobody will have excuse that he doesn't know it's good to be good but if salvation is by faith in Jesus then millions of people will tell you they never heard of Jesus even if they heard of him it doesn't make enough impression on them to have faith in him because they already have a religion they were born in. The problem is you Christians are not realistic, Do you think it is easy to change ones religion? Just because someone heard of Jesus a few times is enough to dump the religion he has been engaged in since birth for Christianity. The spirits teach that it is by our works we get our salvation not by our faith which makes a whole lot of sense. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by Steep(m): 7:54am On Mar 27 |
The question remains How can imperfect beings do perfect works? Answer: impossible. It is not a matter of learning or relearning, it is a matter of human nature. You may know what is good and true you you may be determine to do it, yet at the end find yourself doing the opposite. Who taught children how to lie, steal etc sin or evil is not about learning it is an inherent nature of human beings inherited from the first human Adam. Secondly, we commit sin because we are sinners and hence fall into God's judgment of condemnation. Adam sinned and dented himself then pass on that dented nature to his children on, and on it went. God himself is a perfect holy and a righteous God who does not accept any error, so we human beings are doomed in every way, but God rich in mercy sent his chosed to reach down to us, to take away our sin by bearing our sin on himself and dying for us so that if believe on Jesus christ and receive him as our saviour and Lord we will be saved. Without this we would die and be forever separated from a Holy and righteous God. God is holy and righteous our works of good works are never accepted because they are filthy, it is not a matter of learning, it is a attack of nature, a pig is a pig, a pig does not learn or grow to become a sheep. You don't say o the pig is a pig because it is immature? No, when a pig grows up it becomes a mattered pig. We are born as sinners, we grow up to be come adult sinners, we get educated we become educated sinners, we are poor, we are poor sinners, we are rich we are rich sinners, give us trillions of years we still are trillions of years old sinners. Jesus said in John 3 except a man is born again he can't see the kingdom of God. This means there must be change of sin nature to a righteous nature of the new man created in Jesus christ the Lord. Don't be fooled by teachings of demons telling you to put your trust in yourself, telling you your good works can save you it is a wicked lie to destroy you and send you to hell. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 9:19am On Mar 27 |
justlove91: Your good acts cannot wash away your sins, your love cannot wash away your wickedness. Only the blood of Jesus can do that. That is why every man and woman needs faith in Him to be purified of their sins. The religion one was born into has never been a barrier to knowing the truth in Christ. In the book of Revelation, it is shown that the earth will refuse to follow God even after all the supernatural occurrences from God to punish them. Even after the 1000 years rule of Christ, the world still refuses to follow Him and they eventually fight Him. It is no longer about one's religious background. If a person is not persuaded from what he or she sees and hears that confirm the truth of God's Word nothing can make them change their minds. Religious background is just watery excuse not to follow Christ. Those spirits you listen to are fallen angels deceiving you. They are extremely good at deceiving people with false signs, ndes, visions, etc. That is why our only anchor to the path of truth and righteousness is the Word of God. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:44pm On Mar 27 |
Steep: The next message I will be uploading is directed at you and the church, make sure you read it all, pinky swear... |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:44pm On Mar 27 |
CaptainJune: The next message I will be uploading is directed at you and the church, make sure you read it all, pinky swear... |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:46pm On Mar 27 |
WILLIAM INGE William Inge: It is an appalling thought that the teachings of Christ, the fundamental truths that He and other great souls have taught, the revelation that has been given, the works that have been done in this realisation of God's will and purpose - that so much unfortunately has been obscured. So much has been misinterpreted, so much has been given forth that did not even emanate from him, or others like him - that you have in your world such chaos among men, that they in themselves, unfortunately, cannot see - only so far. It is as if they themselves, in their foolishness, like children, have lost the way. It is a pity, and a great sadness to us. And as I look back over my life, I realise only too well how, in my own ignorance, although I thought I was a man of learning and experience, though I thought that I had truth, I realise that that which I had was but an aspect. And that it had been unfortunately confined in such a way that it could only [express the minutest part of God's will and purpose; and I realise that Christ] came into the world indeed to save sinners, but not in the way that is oft-times interpreted. For man himself can only achieve greatness, spiritual greatness, by his own effort. No other individual can do it for you. Christ and others have pointed the way and set the example, and it is for us to follow in their footsteps and to become like them. But when we consider, as so often when on Earth one does, that we are saved, in a sense, that these efforts of ours, puny though they are, have some effect and yet in themselves are pointless because another has been sent to do this, to make possible the salvation. Once we realise that we can throw ourselves upon another soul to be saved, then I am convinced that we have committed a grave error, indeed a sin. Because I am convinced that whatever achievement, whatever effort we make, that, in itself, is the important thing - that we must endeavour, we must strive, we must struggle, we must overcome within ourselves. No one can do this for us; we must do it ourselves, we must follow the path that has been set, and if we do that, then indeed do we find salvation, but only through our own effort, not through the effort of another. This one, Jesus, who so much has been spoken of, this great soul who came into the world in such a humble way, and lived a life giving forth love, giving forth the realisation of God's will and purpose, in all the things that he said and did, he endeavoured to show the only way to development of spiritual consciousness. The only way to find salvation was through service and through love - through putting oneself further and further into the background. In other words, become a vessel for greater souls, for greater teachings, for greater realisations of God's will and purpose. We are instruments and when we realise that, when we realise how much can be done through us, how much we can give out, which so few ever do. If only we realised the true meaning and purpose of our lives, then we begin to see, then we begin to grow and expand, then we begin to become at least something like Christ. But to think that one person, that one soul - even those sent from the highest - can save us, is a fallacy. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:49pm On Mar 27 |
I am so anxious that Christ should be understood. Not in the narrow, creedal, mystical sense, but as a real, living, vital being, as indeed he is and was, when on Earth. A man who had the courage of his convictions - not a weak namby-pamby, as some seem to visualise him, but as [a] man of strength, of courage, of conviction. A man who today if he lived, would probably be jailed because of his views, because of his strength, because he had the courage of his convictions. This man Christ, is not the person that is picturised in the minds of so many, whose narrow conception is far removed from the reality. Christ was a man of action, Christ would have been called a revolutionary in your modern age. He would have been imprisoned, maybe even, as in his own time, he would have been killed by the mob because they would have none of him, anymore than today if the real Christ came among you, you would not have anything to do with him, in spite of all that the Church teaches. The Church themselves probably would be the first to crucify him again if they could, because they do not like those who come with a message such as this. They are affeared, they would be afraid it were of the Devil; they would doubt it, as they doubt even my words as I speak to you. Many who listen to my words will not accept me, Why? Because they are afraid; they are afraid that if they give up that which they hold, which they consider to be right, that I, and others like me, will supersede or take their place. They do not like to give up that which they hold so firmly to them, in spite of the fact that many, if they spoke the truth, deep in their hearts they know there is much error in that which they teach and preach. I would say many things, but I will content myself by saying this, that Christ, if he were to come back among you, would be condemned by the very people who support and uphold him today. Christ did not come to make an easy path, because he knew, and we all know deep in our hearts, that he who would do God's will upon Earth, could not possibly find a path that would be easy. For it is a path far removed from man's conception of things - man who has become so materialistically inclined - man who, in his ignorance and foolishness, brings upon himself all kinds of suffering and misery - man, because he will hold on to pride, considering these things more important than humility. Only those who are humble in spirit can see truth. It is not the brilliant minds, the great brains, not the high positioned that have the fullest aspect of truth; invariably they know little of Truth - they only have a small conception that suits their own particular way of life. We have seen it in so many ways. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:50pm On Mar 27 |
Often those who have had truth in the beginning, as they have progressed materially and had more power, more position - they have lost the path, they have lost the way. They become immersed in the material conception of things, and they cannot uphold truth any longer, only as a facade and that indeed is not real truth - it is only an aspect which has benefited them, but it has not benefited them necessarily spiritually, but only materially. Indeed, they have used it as a shroud; for inside there is but death. I know. I know from my own experience, much to my regret, that many things that I preached, many things that I gave out as truth - and I sincerely believed for a long time that they were true - these things have held man back, and still do unfortunately. Life is eternal. No man dies. Even Christ himself said to the thief on the cross, “For today thou shalt be with me in Paradise.” He did not say tomorrow or next year or a thousand years hence, but today. For it is, my friends, that faith can make us whole, but we must have faith in a reality, and not [in] something which has no foundation or basis. Christ himself was a great seer, a great prophet, a great teacher, and above all of this, he was a great humanitarian. He was more perhaps of a Socialist, than any Socialist could ever hope to be. Christ was not concerned with material wealth or position. He was not concerned with vestments, with temples, as such. Christ even was human enough to lose his temper as when he drove the money changers out of the temple. We must realise what Christ is, and particularly from your aspect, what he was when on Earth. He was a man - not a myth. He was a man of reality - not a mystical creature, as the world would have you believe and he was not God himself upon Earth. He was, as I see Christ, a human being who came into the world in a normal way, with the greatest power that man has ever experienced, but it was the power of the Holy Spirit, it was the power of God himself - but he used that power in such a way that men flocked to him. There were many, of course, who did not and were afraid of him - the established religion, those of the established Church, those who considered that they were the wise ones, the men of position - because they realised that the things that he preached were dangerous to their position. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 12:53pm On Mar 27 |
And so it is that I believe sincerely today, that if Christ were able to come back, if he were to come back in a material body, and do the same works as he did previously, the first people to condemn him would be the Church. And he would be much better received outside of it than ever he would be in, because the people would flock to him - those whose minds were open and ready to receive. But those whose minds were closed and held back by creed and dogma, would be the first to refuse him. These things I am convinced about: that Christ himself was a man of great simplicity, a man of great piety, a man of great faith in the power of love, and had no consideration for the things of the Earth. How many Churchmen are there in your world today, who can, with truth, say that they fall in with this conception? How many are they who seek place and position? How many are they who are attracted by vestment, by service, by the positions which they may hold. I say to you that Christ is found in the hearts of all men whose minds are open and sincere, and anxious to understand and to see. 'Give me the child', as Christ himself, gathering together the children around him, said ‘for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven!' What did he really mean by that, when all around also were the adults; grown men of stature, men of experience and worldly wisdom? What did he really mean? He meant that it is the child-like attitude, the childlike approach, the simplicity and the faith of a child that makes revelation and spiritual unfoldment and development possible - not the prejudiced, not the person whose mind is already formed and made up, and convinced within himself that he is right and others are wrong. The child-like attitude is important. Indeed, I would go as far as to say it is vital. Until man can strip himself of his preconceived ideas and shake from himself the old beliefs and the old legends, until he can realise that he is, within himself, able to tune in to the highest, if only he will make it possible by the way in which he lives; if only he would think right, he would then act right and in consequence become right. I say to you that man, if he wants to become an experienced person in the spiritual manner and sense, if he wants to become truly spiritualised, he must shed himself of all his material conceptions. God is. But no man has seen God. God is a force of power - a driving force that gives life to all things. In your world nothing is lost. That which seems like death is but a dream. Man goes from one place to another. His thoughts are still there and he himself is released from the material things which bind and confine him. And yet your world should be a place of experience, essential experience and development, a preparedness, as it were, for the greater life yet to come. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 1:02pm On Mar 27 |
When man leaves your world, as so often he does, with strong fixed prejudiced views, his task is difficult. He has to unlearn, as I did, many things and has to become like the child, [with an] open mind, full of the desire for real truth, full of the desire to progress. And oft-times [one is] very bitter, when you realise that for a lifetime on Earth you have given forth many teachings which have proved to be erroneous; untrue. When you realise that the fundamental faith which was true, has been distorted beyond all realisation. I am very conscious of all these things. Indeed, many are they with me who feel as I do, that if we could come back with our present knowledge, how differently we would think and act, and how differently we would speak. The Church, if it is to survive, must rid itself of many of the old fallacies. It must band itself together in a strength based on truth, and it must not be afraid to stand, as Jesus stood, against the mob. It must be prepared at all times, no matter what the cost, to speak truthfully and act accordingly, and not be afraid of the reaction from various quarters. When the Church gives forth Christ's teachings in its full intensity, then will it be rejuvenated, and then will it begin to climb upwards. When we see in your world the miseries, the uncertainties - when we see the possibilities that could be - such tremendous things that could come upon the Earth and its peoples through their ignorance - when we realise you are, in a sense, on the very brink of disaster again after two World Wars... And yet the Church blesses the flags, blesses the guns, blesses the men in their uniforms - each nation accordingly. All this is contrary to Christ, the teachings of Christ and all that he stood for. The Prince of Peace. How can you be a subject of the Prince of Peace if you advocate these things? I say to you that man himself, in his blindness, has separated himself from God, and yet God is reaching out through his ministering ones to your world, endeavouring still to help. But those who minister in your world, their ministry, invariably and often, is at great fault. I do not condemn, I do not blame. But I do say that they must look into their own hearts, and they must find again the Prince of Peace, and they must speak his words among his children, and they must stand firm together as one band, solid, in his service. While they are separated, while they wrangle together among themselves as to who is right and who is wrong, or their conception is right, and this other one is wrong - while they think and act as they do, so will the Churches gradually become more and more empty. Here and there among [various] peoples there are good souls, kindly souls, sincere souls; endeavouring in their own fashion to do right. I know much good has come from the Church, but I think often of what greatness there could be and how much more could be achieved. And I say to all those who may listen to my words - whether they believe or whether they not believe what I say, or believe even that it is I who speak to them - I say that you have within yourselves great opportunity to do God's will, to follow the teachings of the Master Christ; realising his humility, so must you also be, and if you give up many of the things which you know in your hearts are untrue, and seek him more and more and become like him, and be like the children, of whom he himself was so fond. If you can be like the child, with an open heart and an open mind, with no strong preconceived ideas, if you have the faith of a child and the trust, then you can be led and guided, and out of all this evil can come a great good, and the world can be saved from itself and you shall find the path of peace and progression. And we who come to you can link up with you again, and once again into your world could come, truly, the communion of the saints; once again can you take communion in the truest sense, and you can become one with us, and together we can overcome evil, and together we shall find that peace which the world cannot find. But in our own time, with your help and our guidance, and the peace that passeth all understanding, this indeed shall be made possible: the realisation of God's will and purpose for his children, now and forever. My love and my blessing I give to all who listen to my voice. If I have said some things that seem hard, and if to some they seem impossible, and if to others they feel that that which I have said is at variance - I say to you, think on these things, turn them over in your minds, and in your hearts - seek for truth and realise that on your very doorstep, knocking, is Christ himself. Let him come in and make him a welcome visitor, and let him become part of your lives, and you shall then indeed become truly one of the flock - one of those whose task it is to do his will among his children. Yours is a great responsibility. Remember, that if you are to do this work, to do it well you must become like unto a child. I only wish that I could do more than I can do. I have oft-times have wished that I could return to Earth and do my work again. So much would I do differently, and yet I know that, in my own fashion and in my own way, I did as I felt right. We are often, unfortunately, too late and yet, in a sense, it is not too late, for I am able to return, I am able to speak. I say to you, concern yourselves not with names and personalities, but concern yourselves with the text and the message, and let it become a reality in your hearts, that it may change your world, and indeed make it a place worthy of God's children. My love and blessing be upon you, now and always. Peace be with you. Farewell. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by Steep(m): 3:01pm On Mar 27 |
justlove91:Jesus christ himself established the church and if you are not part of his church you have no part in his kingdom. Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Jesus Christ was not just a human, he is in fact God not a human who became God but God who became human. If you are not washed and purchase by Jesus you are going to hell, those demons have are leading you into hell. Good works can't save you, God's requirement is perfection which you an imperfect creature cannot provide only in Jesus christ can you be saved. You need to be delivered from those evil spirits and accept the Jesus christ the righteous one. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 4:21pm On Mar 27 |
William INGE. This is a familiar spirit. If ever there was a William Inge he is either in heaven or hell. See how this demon praises Christ as worth emulating, humble and loving but NOT as the Saviour of the world. Classic lying spirit. True Christians know the voice of the Shepherd and they will never follow the voice of a stranger (demon and antichrist). 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 5:54pm On Mar 27 |
CaptainJune: That's because he is not the saviour of the world, we're only "saved" by emulating is loving character and not him carrying our sins. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 6:01pm On Mar 27 |
Steep: No evidence, you go explain tired. No thanks, I'm willing to work for my own righteousness, not live off of someone else's righteousness for eternity. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by Steep(m): 6:32pm On Mar 27 |
justlove91:That is because your father is the devil. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by Steep(m): 6:36pm On Mar 27 |
Guys, justlove is an agent of Satan,he is working with and for the devil. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 9:17pm On Mar 27 |
justlove91: I hope you know that if our righteousness could save us from destruction then Christ died in vain. However, God had to come in the flesh so that He could shed His blood to cleanse us from all sins as it is the law of God that only blood (not your righteous acts) can cleanse from sin (Leviticus 17:11). If you depend on your righteous acts to buy salvation you will find that you are spiritually and morally bankrupt. Your righteousness is false. It is a tree without fruit that is only useful for cutting down. It leads to death. True righteousness is a tree of life. Only God possesses it, and He gives it freely to anyone who comes to Jesus, the only Way to the Father. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:03am On Mar 28 |
Steep: So let's be clear, I'm an agent of Satan because I do not support human sacrifice but you that support human sacrifice is an agent of God. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:11am On Mar 28 |
CaptainJune: Christ did not die, he was murdered by the dogmatic people of his time. He was teaching the people to stop all their stupid blood sacrifices because their blood sacrifice cannot prevent them from experiencing the reciprocal effects of their evil action. Captain, you want to continue to pile up debt and expect another person to pay for it abi? Didn't your bible tell you that what you sow is what you will reap?? 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 12:32pm On Mar 28 |
justlove91: You are dangerously flirting with eternal perdition. Jesus is not just another person: He is God. Are you wiser than your Creator? 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 1:05pm On Mar 28 |
CaptainJune: Sorry, I still can't support human sacrifice, it's a remnant of paganism. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by CaptainJune: 2:37pm On Mar 28 |
justlove91: It is fine with you when a person gives their life for others to live. You call the person who sacrificed himself or herself a hero. You are happy they are given national honour of recognition. A mother or father who dies to save the child is not human sacrifice to you but when Jesus died to save the world it becomes human sacrifice. Jesus said in His own words that of His own free will He lays down His life (John 10:18) just as a mother or father of their own free will lay down their lives so their children can live. The thing is you need to know the love of God that surpasses knowledge. The concept of God loving man so much that He willingly died for Him to save Him is strange to you. Every breath you take is God loving you. The devil HATES you because he knows and sees how much God loves you by putting His life on the line just to save you. You are special, the crown of His creation. The devil is furious that the grace given to man was denied him. That is why he seeks to destroy man by deceiving him. You will understand better if you let God lead you to the truth and the truth will set you free. 1 Like |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:18am On Mar 29 |
TERRY SMITH Greene: Terry, can you describe your reactions when you found yourself still alive? I mean, what happened to you...? Smith: I think that the first thing I remember was going up a street. It was a street I'd never seen before and, uh, as a matter of fact, I couldn't realise at first that it wasn't a real street. Although it was a real street, in a sense, but not the kind of street that, you know, that I'd been used to, but... Oh it was all very attractive, you know. Lovely trees on either side of the road and lovely houses, ever such nice houses, you know. There were little bungalows dotted about here and there and there were bigger houses and, yeah it was ever so attractive. And I just couldn't make this out at all, you know. I thought, well...I didn't recognise the place and yet it seemed as if it could have been somewhere, oh I don't know, perhaps in California or something, because it was like I'd seen pictures of, you know? A wide, sort of, boulevard with trees and sloping lawns and pretty little village...houses and things, you know. It was like a sort of well made up village really, but I couldn't make head or tail of it. But, uh, I'd found that, uh, there was nobody else about. It was just as if I was all there on me own, you know. I thought, 'this is odd', you know. I didn't even realise fully I was dead, I suppose. I thought I was probably dreaming I suppose. I don't know, it was odd. But the road was not a bit familiar, yet there was something about it that, I don't know, gave me some sort of a peculiar inner confidence I suppose. But anyway, I just walked along and there were all these very pretty houses and it seemed as dead as a dodo. Not a sound, you know. Nothing. Then I come further along I saw a very sweet lady, a very pretty woman she was. I thought anyway. She couldn't have looked more than about twenty-eight / thirty, standing at a little gate. It was the first house that I'd seen with a gate, by the way. All the others seemed to have no entrances, no gates, you just walked up the little path to the front door, sort of thing. But this one had got, sort of, um...it was on the end of a...ooh, after I'd walked quite a while...and there was this, sort of, fence round it and I thought, 'well, it seems a bit odd', you know, after all the other houses being free of fences and that. Anyway, this little old lady...this little woman, you know, she was standing there - funny thing about her was she looked young and yet, I felt she was old. It sounds stupid I know, but there you are. But, um, she was leaning over this gate and as I came to her she sort of smiled, you know. I thought, 'well, I don't know'. She seemed to be only when I... I stopped and she said,“You looking for something, sonny?” I thought, 'blimey'. I said, “Yes. Well, sort of,” you know, “...I don't know quite what's happening or where I am.” “Oh,” she says, “that's all right sonny, I've been waiting for you. Come in.” So I thought, 'well, I've got nothing to lose,' you know, so I thought, 'I'll go in. So at least it's someone to talk to.' And she took me into the front - well, I suppose you'd call it a parlour, you know... |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:20am On Mar 29 |
Nice little room it was, very nice, with chintzy curtains and chairs and it all looked very homely. And there was a cat sitting in one chair - a beautiful black cat - and, I don't know, I thought, 'well I don't know - cats? Can't be dead with cats.' She says, “Come on sonny, sit down.” So I sat down in the other chair with no cat in it, you see. So she said, “Would you like a drink?” I thought, 'well, this is something like,' you know. Would I like a drink? I thought she was going to offer me a cup of tea or something. So I said, “Yes, I would, if you...please,” you know. So she said, “What would you like?” So I thought, 'well, I must go cagey here, you know. I don't want to look as if I drink', you know. So I said, “Oh, I'd like a lemon please.” She says, “Would you?” She says, “All right.” So she goes out and comes back with a glass of lemon and I thought, 'well I don't know'. So she says, “You know, you've nothing to worry about sonny. I've been waiting for you.” So I says, “Waiting for me?” So she says, “Yes.” So, I didn't know what to say. I sort of sat there, and, uh, she says, “you know you're dead?” So I says, “What?” So she says, “You're dead.” I says, “Come off it. I, um...I can't be dead sitting in a room here, with a cat over there and drinking a glass of lemonade. And you're solid and real enough. How can I be dead?” I said, “I admit it's all a bit strange.” I says, “At first I thought I was, sort of, having a dream or something. So she says, “Well, it's no dream sonny,” she says. “You're dead.” So I says, “Well, if you say I'm dead, how did I get here?” So she says, “Oh that's all right,” she says. “I was thinking and praying for you, and I've been given charge of you.” So I says, “What do you mean you've been given charge of me?” So she says, “Well,” she says, “when your ship went down...” And it suddenly came to me. When the ship went down. Last thing I remember, you know, was in the water holding on to a part of wood. I don't know what part of the ship it was. Anyway, it was a part of wood I was clinging to, sort of thought it might hold me up, you know, but of course I realise it was hopeless now. Anyway, she says, “You was drowned.” So I says, “Oh.” And she says, “There's hundreds and hundreds of lads,” she says, “have come over.” So I says, “Oh.” So she says, “Yes and everyone of those lads has got someone, somewhere to look after them. Some have got their own people; relations or friends. Some have got other souls and I'm one [who's] in charge of you.” She says, “You didn't realise,” she says, “but you were directed. You thought you were walking on your own up the road.” she says. “But you wasn't.” She says, “You were being helped by inspiration from a soul whose job it is to help people when they come over suddenly, like you did.” |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:23am On Mar 29 |
So I says, “Oh yeah?” You know, sort of listening, like, not quite taking it all in, you know. So I says, “Well I don't understand this at all.” So she says, “Well don't you worry,” she says. “You stay with me. I'll look after you. I'll be like your Mum.” So I thought, 'well that's something,' you know. And, uh...then she started talking about my people - and it rather shook me, because she seemed to know all about my people - about my Mum and Dad and how they, sort of, separated and about my sister who was in...in the WRENS* you know, and all that. And I thought, 'well, I don't know, she seems to know everything about us.' So I says, “Well are you in any way related to us?” So she says, “Well, not really,” she says. “But, um, it was part of my job to know something about your people, being as how I've to look after you.” And so I says, “Well, that's funny,” I says. “Since you say I've only just come over, how do you know about my lot?” You know. So she says, “Oh well, that's not difficult. It's only a matter of tuning in,” she says. “Tuning in?” I says. “Sounds like the wireless.” So she says, “Oh well we can.” she says. “If we have any special reason for wanting to know about a particular person or persons,” she says, “and it's a special work that we have to do, and we've got some sort of connection there that's necessary for us to know things, then we tune in.” She says, “a little later on,” she says, “not yet,” she says, “we'll go to see your people.” So I says, “Oh that'll be nice.” So she says, “Of course,” she says, “you know they won't know you're dead. I mean, they won't know that, um, you're there. They'll know that you're dead, but they won't know that, um, you're still alive, you know - that you can, sort of, watch them or go and see them, you know. You mustn't be too upset if no one takes any notice of you.” So I says, “Oh. Well,” I says, “I did have an Aunt who was a Spiritualist.” So she says, “Well that's good,” she says. “Perhaps we can get something through in that direction. You never know. We'll have to try her.” She says, “Well, um, for the time being,” she says, “you must try and be content to be here.” She says, “I've got a son on Earth,” she says, “...and I'm hoping one day when he comes over here that we shall be together again. I expect we shall,” she says. “But, um, in the meantime,” she says, “I'm going to look upon you as if you're my own son.” And she says, “I'm going to do all I can for you and try and make you happy. And you're not to worry and you're not to, sort of, feel...you know, sort of alone or anything like that.” She says, “A little later on,” she says, “when you've rested,” she says, “...I think you should rest,” she says, “this has all been a bit of a shock for you...” she says, “I'll take you out and you'll be introduced to all sorts of interesting people in our community.” So I says, “Oh yes, that's very interesting.” |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:25am On Mar 29 |
Then all of a sudden, during the middle of the conversation this cat did the most funny thing, I thought. It may sound silly, but it jumped off this chair and it came up to me and it sat on it's hind legs and it looked up at me. And it sort of cocked its ears up and - it didn't miaow, it didn't make that noise like a cat - but it was just as if the thing spoke! Do you know I nearly dropped...I was so shaken. She says, “Oh, hmm,” she says, “don't worry,” she says, “you'll get used to that.” She says, “The animals,” she says, “over here have developed, to a great extent, their ability to make themselves understood. Of course, on Earth in a way they can do that, but we don't hear them speak because they haven't language as we understand it. But over here their thoughts are such that they can, sort of, vibrate...” she says, “...the atmosphere and you can hear the sounds. And it's merely their thoughts being transmitted to you so that you can hear them.” Then she says...hmm, this cat says, “How are you?” You know, and I thought, 'by cripes, this is quite mad,' you know. Cats don't say 'how are you?' and, hah, I didn't know what to do, what to say. She says, “Don't worry,” she says, “you'll get used to that.” She says, “Animals,” she says, “are much more sensitive than people realise and they have their own knowledge of things. They can transmit thoughts and they pick up thoughts and you'll get used to the fact that animals can convey a great deal more from this side than they can on Earth.” Anyway I got, sort of, adjusted to the idea and I said, “Very well thanks.” And then the cat...it seemed as if the cat said - I don't say the cat said this, but it seemed as if it said, “Well, I hope you'll be happy here.” And I thought, 'well this is most peculiar.' Then the cat went back and sat on the chair and curled up and as far as I was concerned it went to sleep.' Of course I still couldn't get this at all. She says, “Don't worry,” she says, “you'll understand, that animals have a great, uh, capacity of understanding and over here they can transmit their thoughts, the same as I can transmit mine to yours, without even the effort of speaking if I want to.” She says, “You can read my thoughts and I can read yours. Thought is a real thing to us and it's very tangible and that's why animals can communicate by thought-force,” she said. And all this was very good, you know...sort of got me...oh, well I don't know...this is something this is, you know. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:29am On Mar 29 |
Of course, gradually as I got, sort of, familiar with everything and...and a little later (I suppose it was a little later) uh, she took me out and what appeared to be, I suppose, the sun. Although she told me later there was no sun, that it was illumination, uh, from which, uh, all of us, you know, all life was, uh, able to draw some sort of, I don't know, I suppose some sort of power. But the illumination was...the funny thing about the illumination - this may sound odd - but it didn't seem to cast shadows. Although she said that in some places, uh, the light did cast shadows. But it seemed to me as if everything was pleasantly bright without being harsh, and there didn't seem to be any shadows and it didn't seem it was necessary to withdraw, as it were, from the light, because the light was so pleasing and pleasant. And it wasn't over...what you'd say, hot, you know. You didn't feel as if it was burning you, yet it was a pleasant warmth. A sort of...it's very difficult...a sort of radiance I suppose. Anyway we went out...I went out with her. She says, well...and she just pulled the door and I says, “Are you going to lock your door?” “Oh,” she says, “there's no need for that here you know.” And much to my surprise, as we went out, the cat got up and walked out and followed us. And it was walking along just as if it was - well, like you'd expect a dog more than a cat, I suppose. So, she's talking away to this cat and she says, “All right, come along,” sort of thing, you know and she kept calling it Nelly. And I thought, 'well Nelly's a funny name for a cat. I never heard a cat called Nelly before.' And she must have sensed my thoughts, because I found, after a very short time, that I didn't have to speak to her. She knew what I was thinking. “Oh,” she says, “you think it's an odd name for a cat, don't you?” So I said, “Well, Nelly. I've never heard a cat called Nelly. I suppose there's no reason why a cat shouldn't be called Nelly as well as...as Tiddles or something,” you know. And she said, “Well Nelly's the name that my mother gave this cat.” I said, “Your mother?” I said, “How old's that cat then?” “Oh,” she says, “this cat must be now, judging by material age,” she says, “about, oh, sixty-odd years old.” So I said, “Sixty years old?” I said, “I don't know; I've heard cats having nine lives,” you know, trying to make her laugh, you know. She says, “Well,” she says, “actually, of course everybody has many lives.” She says, “You're having an extension of your life. But you'll find you'll have an extension of this life and so on, ad infinitum,” as she put it, like, you know. I thought, 'well, I don't know.' “All this is a bit too much for me.” She says, “You'll grasp it later.” She says, “You mustn't think that just because you're dead, so-called, um, that you won't have an extension of life, to a degree, whereby you'll eventually be able to extend it into another condition of life.” So I said, “But I don't quite get that,” you know. She says, “Well, for the time being don't let it worry you, son,” she says, you know. She says, “You'll find that...that all life is really an extension of a previous life. In other words,” she says, “you go on and on, ad infinit...finitum,” as she says it, you know. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:32am On Mar 29 |
And she says, “You'll exhaust this plane or this sphere or this condition of life in which you are now. Eventually,” she says, “you'll realise that there's nothing more that you can learn here, or nothing more that's necessary to you here, and you'll feel the urge and the need to extend your experience. And you'll pass into a different existence of a higher sphere or plane,” as she called it, “where you'll be able to appreciate and learn and experience all sorts of things that you couldn't possibly experience on this.” She says, “But that may be a long time yet.” She says, “There's so much that you've got to experience, so much you've got to learn.” And she says, “You'll have every opportunity given you to study and to take an interest in so many different things. ” And she says, “You, if you want to, you can do almost anything. Whatever you would like to do or be,” you know. She said, “When you were on Earth you were very keen, weren't you, on music?” So I says, “Well, how did you know that?” So she says, “Well you were, weren't you?” So I said, “Well, yes. I used to be very keen on the piano, but I never really was any good at it.” So she says, “Well you'll have every opportunity here, if that's what you'd like to do and to be a really first-class pianist,” you know. And I says, “Well I can't imagine myself being a great pianist.” I says, “I like good music and I used to...you know...try, like.” So she says, “Oh, well we shall see won't we?” She said, “Then later on, when you're more settled,” she says, “and you're more at home, perhaps we'll see what we can do about it,” you know. Anyway, she took me up to this...and there again, she's...you know, another thing: I told you when I came up the road, in the first instance, it seemed as if the place was empty. It was like a place where - oh, like a dead city, a place, you know, with no one at all. And yet everything looked trim and nice and clean and fresh and everything - as if everybody had gone off for an afternoon siesta when I arrived, sort of thing, you know. Anyway, this time going up the road, it was as if everyone was out, standing at the door, or was coming down to the pathway, you know. And, uh, goodness me, I hadn't got very far up the road, as if...before, as if...well, I was surrounded by people, all sorts of people; young and - mostly young people - one or two seemed to be elderly and yet, looking back on it I realise they weren't old, but there was something about them suggested that there was age and yet, they didn't look old. I can't explain that. But anyway they were all, sort of, shaking me by the hand and calling me by name and I thought, 'well that's odd,' everybody knows my name, everyone's calling me Terry as if they'd known me all their lives. And it's...I realised afterwards of course, that there's very little escapes them if a new person's coming into the community, or a number of people coming from Earth into that community - which, as I found afterwards, was a special community really, of souls whose task it was to help newcomers and to guide them and...especially young people and with the war on, you know, there was loads of youngsters coming over. |
Re: The "Dead" Describing Their Death, First Impression And Afterlife by justlove91(m): 10:34am On Mar 29 |
Anyway they were all around me and making me feel welcome, and I really felt as if I was among old friends. It was extraordinary, yet I didn't know a soul and they all seemed to know me and I felt quite at home with them. And I thought, 'well, this is extraordinary.' Here was I arriving in a place where everybody seemed, you know, dead or away and no one bothered. And now it's as if they're all coming out to greet me. I thought this was a bit puzzling, so I asked my friend. I says, “Why is it that, um, when I arrived, no one came to visit me...I mean, no one came to meet me or anything?” “Oh,” she says, “that was deliberate.” I says, “But why deliberate?” “Oh,” she says, “that was very necessary, really. It was partly that you had to, in a subconscious way, if you like,” she says, “had to...although you were being helped you couldn't see the person or persons that was helping you...it was very necessary for you to come direct to me as I was the one who was chosen to take care of you. The others knew, of course, of your arrival. And every house you passed, though you didn't see anyone, their love was so strong that it was helping you. And their thoughts were very real and very tangible. And really, quite frankly,” she said, “they knew that the right moment would come a little later, once you had adjusted yourself and you'd been helped by me,” she says, “to see and to understand a little. Then you'd be more ready to,” you know, sort of, “be received by a lot of people. If we'd all been there it would have been too much for you. You just wouldn't have been able to grasp things. It was better that it should be as it was. Now,” she says, “you're settling in, you're getting to know people and people are getting to know you, and the next thing will be to, once you really settle down a bit, to find the kind of thing - work - you'd like to do. But,” she says, “before that it may be a very good idea if we go back to Earth and see how your people are and see if there's anything we can do.” She says, “It may be very depressing for you, very sad for you, because they don't realise that you're alive and, uh, because...therefore it will make you unhappy that you can't make contact with them. But you did say that you had an Aunt who was interested, so we might be able to do something there, but we'll have to wait and see.” Anyway, another time when I come I'll tell you more about that because I...I don't think I can make it now. But, you know, there's a lot of things that I feel that would be of interest - and someone said to me, he said, “Why don't you go and talk to them,” you know, “and see if you can help them.” So I thought, 'well, yeah.' |
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