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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 9:08pm On Mar 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Peddling his madness and insanities as usual a religious organization that cannot follow the simple instruction found in Acts 1:8 is the only church of Christ Just one sculpture is enough where Jesus said the religious organization founded by Russell +/-150 years ago is church of Christ. A scripture is enough. Cc: newbornmacho 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by BreconHills(m): 9:08pm On Mar 28 |
Kobojunkie: I am not so quick to cast off church even though I am a member of a small non denominational house church - any form or structure can become religious even if it starts out law and doctrine free. I may not believe in the "church" system but I do believe that just like in the temple of old, there are sincere seekers in every structure and in every place - even a bar or clu . Now when it comes to who I fellowship and do life with then I will not be unequally yoked but I try to bear in mind that Jesus did not come for those who were well, he came for sinners. Outreach and fellowship in my mind are two quite different things. 2 Likes |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 9:10pm On Mar 28 |
newbornmacho: The one founded by Charles Taze Russell hijacked later by Rutherford 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 9:14pm On Mar 28 |
See the madness and insanities peddling talked about. He will dance from one thread to another accusing others of ashamed of stating the name of their church. Here he is stylishly running away He even open his mouth to say they belong to church of christ like Jehovah’s witnesses are churchgoers you love to condemn No wonder hypocrites full your denominations. Two faced Cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz 4 Likes
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 9:20pm On Mar 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Self defense is a right thing to do in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses. When Catholics self defense from aggression from another Catholic is it a right thing to do. When a Jehovah's Witnesses Ms or elder wants to molest a fellow member and that fellow member use weapons available for self defense is it a right thing to do? The madness and insanities peddling brains will run away Double face people the very thing they accuse others is what they do. Always projecting your failures on others just to look good. 2 Likes |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 9:30pm On Mar 28 |
BreconHills:What makes you think your church system is even remotely similar to the Temple system of Old? What gives you that idea? The fact that your religious leaders compare your churches to the Temple or what? 2. I don't quite follow what you mean. Who exactly do you think the sinners whom Jesus Christ said He came for are? According to Jesus Christ, His Father sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel — the sinners of Israel condemned to the curse of Death by the God of Israel. They are the ones who are the sinners Jesus Christ was sent to. Additionally, Jesus Christ warned His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs(non-Israelites) - Matthew 7 vs 6 -making it abundantly clear that non-Israelites have nothing to do with the Kingdom of God. Given this, who do you "fellowship" or do "outreach" with? People whom Jesus Christ said have nothing to do with Him? Or people who you are in fact certain are of the blood of Jacob, which? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 9:32pm On Mar 28 |
newbornmacho: Don't go too far the so many denominations has it roots in 1. Men crave for power and authority over fellow men 2. The people always looking for a leader despite Jesus categorically saying only one is your leader all others are brothers. The reason people did so back then was that the early Christians were too oppressed and persecuted. By the time the oppression stopped and those oppressed had access to power, their religious leaders equally hijacked it to oppress others and those under them. This lead to numerous factions and breakaway into the thousands of denominations scattered all over the world. The pattern continues till today. 1 Like
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 9:52pm On Mar 28 |
achorladey:Let's agree Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong. Is there any true religion today? 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 10:01pm On Mar 28 |
MaxInDHouse: So simply because Peter was anxious Jesus said to him get thee behind me satsn in matthew 16 |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 10:01pm On Mar 28 |
Michael547: Fine Let's agree Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong Their ways and mode of operations since their existence are enough evidence that can be referenced repeatedly in their own publications. Your wrong will mean not true but equally false like others they love to point fingers at. Is there any true religion today? Do you not know? Have you not heard? What The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth as captured in your Bible says about pure religion with just one bible verse? Have you not? Do I have to tell start favouring one religious organization set up by men against the other for you to know the true religion? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 10:04pm On Mar 28 |
achorladey:I am still waiting for your answer |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by achorladey: 10:09pm On Mar 28 |
Michael547: I have answered you already. I don't have to spoon feed you. You have been typing endlessly. You should be able to know the just one scripture that talks about the true religion as captured in your Bible I don't have to go to Jerusalem or the mountains of your forefathers to bring that one scripture 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by BreconHills(m): 10:51pm On Mar 28 |
Kobojunkie: It is not my practice to take anything away from God's honour by arguing scripture in public. I realize it is contemporary but I am restrained by 2 Tim 2:14 I do want to ask a question though. Did the scriptures not say that believers are grafted into Abraham by faith? Romans 11:17-32 That the gentiles are the wild olive and Israel is the natural olive. Does it not say that by this God had created one new man having a polished the dividing line or enmity between them through Christ? Ephesians 2:15? Your answers will determine if there is a basis for continuing this discussion privately. I look forward to your answer. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Aemmyjah(m): 10:56pm On Mar 28 |
Michael547: You will watch him climb mount everest and dive across the pacific ocean After wailing, he won't answer that simple question Let him keep making a ridicule of himself |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Kobojunkie: 11:09pm On Mar 28 |
BreconHills:1. Interesting! So, Paul, not Jesus Christ, is the one whose commands or views you live by? Yet, Jesus Christ made clear that those who belong to Him listen only to Him. Was Paul trying to turn against Jesus Christ? 2. No, Scripture never did say you are grafted by faith to Abraham. Even if we are to pretend that it did, here is the problem, Jesus Christ said that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel - The children of Jacob; they are the ones Jesus Christ came to save from God's curse of sin in Deuteronomy 28 vs 12 - 56 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 44.. And Abraham was not a child of Jacob but rather a progenitor of Jacob. So it does not matter whether you assume that what Paul said meant you were grafted to Abraham or not, so long as you are not of the blood of Jacob Himself, you cannot have Jesus Christ. Additionally, what is written in Scripture is that the life of a man is in his blood. To be of Israel — Jacob— one has to have the literal blood of Jacob running through his or her veins. Paul knew this and could not have made a claim contrary to that which was spoken by God Himself. Recall, that God Himself spoke from Heaven calling on His people to obey Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only standard those who belong to Him are meant to listen to and obey. This is what God Himself said should be so. So, I am surprised you are quoting Paul at me as if to suggest that Paul, not Jesus Christ, is the one who is instead God over you. And worse, you misconstrue the words of Paul as is. But in all, wouldn't it make more sense to abandon Jesus Christ altogether to follow these interpretations you have of the statements made by God? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by BreconHills(m): 11:13pm On Mar 28 |
Kobojunkie: I see where you are going but I do not see any dichotomy between Jesus and Paul. And for the reasons afore stated in 2 Tim 2:14 I withdraw. Have a great evening. 1 Like |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Michael547(m): 1:27am On Mar 29 |
Aemmyjah:Don't mind him. |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:58am On Mar 29 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 8:48am On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: You're the one spewing gibberish promax. You are clearly not paying attention as you read. Jesus spoke directly to 2 personalities, first he spoke to Peter addressing him ...you are Peter and I day unto you. Then he addressed satan , a personality, ...get thee behind me satan. Jesus cannot call his own satan. Clearly there was a discernment of personalities going on. This is crucial in understanding that you cannot take an individual as a monolithic representation of say salvation. You cannot take the Peter you see as a saved person and then absorb everything you see them do. The real saved Peter, son of God, can be manifest momentarily and then not manifest in a moment. This is why you cannot know the son, the father alone by energising a momentary manifestation of sonship gives you the knowledge of an extant sonship relationship . Listen that which is born of the flesh is flesh. The christisn man you see was born ofnthe flesh and is flesh till death. The spirit is what is born of the spirit. The spirit is manifest as the wind blowers, you cannot predict him. So your Christian fellow you see is not the spiritual man that is born of the spirit. It is the spirit within that isnborn of spirit. What you see is born of flesh and is flesh. That precludes your ability to know the son. But the father by his revelation ministry , can flare up the spirit of sonship in a context that you can relate with. What you relate with is the spirit of sonship as in Romans 8. Yet you cannot localise the spirit of sonship to a particular individual because God can use even a donkey to speak. So you are advised by Paul to judge nothing until the time of the end...then we shall know even as we are known. Your pastor needs to tell us what he has been teaching you... |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 8:56am On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: 😆 😂 😆 That which is born of the flesh is flesh....Jesus The flesh profiteth nothing...Jesus That which is born of the spirit is spirit... The wind blows where it listen...so is every one born ofnthe spirit...Jesus Bros....are you sure you believe Jesus Christ? How can two of you flesh and body humans meeting become relevant, when the flesh profits nothing? You go explain tire ooo |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Aemmyjah(m): 9:06am On Mar 29 |
Straybullet: So Peter had 2 personalities? Like Kobojunkie You're very confused |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:25am On Mar 29 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:27am On Mar 29 |
Aemmyjah: Try and be quoting bible small nah...abi you be pagan? 😄 Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Should I quote more scriptures of the dual personalities in man? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:28am On Mar 29 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:29am On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Your lack of understanding is doing you in The flesh is not of God. The flesh of Peter can never be of God. Go and study your Bible oga 😄 |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:30am On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Every meeting in the flesh is not of God. Worship of God must be in spirit and in truth. Oga....go and study your Bible 😄 |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Aemmyjah(m): 9:32am On Mar 29 |
Straybullet: Satan is a person Peter is a person Sin or imperfection is not a person So rest |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:33am On Mar 29 |
Aemmyjah: Hahaha English is your friend...what is personalization?? |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:35am On Mar 29 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:35am On Mar 29 |
Aemmyjah: Hahaha English is your friend...what is personalization?? Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Oga resssssssssstttttt |
Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:38am On Mar 29 |
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Re: Thread: The Denominations Are Not The Church by Straybullet: 9:39am On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Nonsense 😄 🤣 😂 😆 Flesh meeting flesh....how can they worship God in spirit?? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 |
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