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Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:33pm On Mar 29 |
MightySparrow: Peter and John never asked of faith before healing the cripple at the temple gate so stop deceiving yourself! ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MightySparrow: 6:08pm On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: Hahahahaha. It is paining you. Only slap? What about child molestation of your elders. That's JWs' miracle ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by gohf: 6:13pm On Mar 29 |
Pray so God can open your own eyes
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Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MightySparrow: 6:15pm On Mar 29 |
MaxInDHouse: I laugh in Jehovah's Witnesses's paradise's language. Judas betrayed Jesus, Demas forsook Paul and later became the persecutor of the church. Many of your members are leaving delusion in droves. Your GB are struggling to keep them and are making adjustments to your pride doctrines. ![]() Could you please paste your pictures with full grown beards? ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 12:46pm On Mar 30 |
MightySparrow: Oga rest Is Papa doing miracles? Yes or No? If yes, mention one authentic one he's done in front of people If not, why You worship Mammon 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 1:11pm On Mar 30 |
MightySparrow https://twitter.com/city_digest/status/1773574492771455012?t=iAzAEICiD2gEQQthpGLctg&s=19 Papa influence ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 1:38pm On Mar 30 |
Daejumong:He didn't foresee his own biological son, it is someone else would he foresee? To prophesy or make prediction about what would happen is not an easy task. Even the called prophets don't find it easy. It is only what God shows them or want them to see they would see. We are only humans with limitations. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 1:42pm On Mar 30 |
MaxInDHouse:But Jesus couldn't heal certain people in the Bible because of their faithlessness. What do you have to say? 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 1:49pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: Mention the instances where Jesus couldn't heal anyone There are occasions of people who expressed doubt but still saw him perform miracle |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 1:51pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah:In His hometown. He couldn't perform any miracle because of their unbelief. |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 1:55pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: You'd have used the proper verb He did not perform any miracles there is not synonymous as he couldn't perform it... It's like you being a philanthropist and helping the less privileged in many communities. In your own community, you did not like the expectations of the people as if it were their right you did anything philanthropic You then leave the community You did not do anything does not mean you could not have done. It was your own choice |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 2:03pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah:Read Mark 6 vs 5. No matter how anointed you are, if the person you intend to pray for don't believe or have a doubtful heart, nothing will work. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 2:11pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: 1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. Oga Rest The man that Jesus expelled demons from his son did not show faith The dead Jesus raised did not have faith Even Martha (or Mary) did not show faith cos they objected when he asked that they removed the tomb stone Faith is very essential though |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 2:23pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah:You are right. However, in some cases, faith is required. Jesus asked a man, "Believe ye that I can do this?". I only brought this Bible passage because you talked about the use of the word "could not". 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:27pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback:That simply means they never approached him! Faith is required on the part of something who needs something so you have to approach the person you want to help you. Because Jesus grew up as a carpenter in their midst and they knew he wasn't educated in any of their Rabbinic schools so who ordained him? That's why they refused to approach him but in the same place those that approached him were cured: So he was not able to do any powerful work there except to lay his hands on a few sick people and cure them. Mark 6:5 Jesus often sends out the force to cure when there are many expecting to be healed he can't start touching each of them but in this case only few tried to see him so he laid his hands on them and cured them. Your own pastors will still tell someone who left Ọ̀yọ́, Ògùn, Ọ̀ṣun, Òndó, Èkìtì, Ẹdó and so on to Lagos claiming they were not healed because they don't have faith. Please what made them travel all the way to see these Yahoo big boys if not faith? ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 2:34pm On Mar 30 |
MaxInDHouse:We are not talking about approach here, we are talking about faith. Jesus wanted to heal them but they didn't believe in Him. A person may approach you without believing. In some cases, Jesus would ask, ''Do you believe that I can do this?". 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 2:36pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: Could not means inability Did not implies choice We must demonstrate faith to receive God's help What if Jesus sincerely chose to help someone who is faithless. Would his God's given power bounce back to him? |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:38pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: Of course it's about APPROACH because the Bible said: "he laid his hand on them to cure them" Mark 6:5 Which is impossible if they never approached him! ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 2:41pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah:It may not work. Faith is necessary even if it's very small. Even our prayers requires faith for us to receive answers. |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:41pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah: He taught Jesus needs faith from those who are sick. Please what about Jairus daughter? The widow's son? The centurion who asked for help? Did those healed have any faith in Jesus? ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 2:47pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: If I hate u and curse you but you're determined to do me good. It won't stop you If Jesus wanted to do same to a faithless one, nothing will stop it... Do you think that nobody who may have been healed or seen his miracles was among those calling that he should be killed? Faithless ones can later show faith Faithful ones can later become faithless Like Jesus brothers, Judas Iscariot 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 2:49pm On Mar 30 |
MaxInDHouse:Haven't you red a situation where a man approached Jesus for a miracle or healing or deliverance or so and Jesus refused to answer the man because of his unbelief? The man started pleading that Jesus should help his unbelief. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 2:49pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: Did the widow or Nain or any of the mourners approach Jesus? What about the one that Jesus asked him to go and wash at the Pool of Siloam |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:12pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: NO! It wasn't the man rather it's the man's son. Mark 19:24 That's another evidence that the sick person is not disturbing Jesus' ability to heal whether he believes or not! |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 7:06pm On Mar 30 |
MaxInDHouse:Why did Jesus refuse to heal the man's son? |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 7:09pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah:Jesus chose to help her because he had compassion on her. There are cases Jesus chose to help people on His own. |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:43pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback:According to the story did Jesus refused to heal the man's son? Guy, try to learn, you only remember the story but what happened exactly you don't know in the Bible yet after showing you you're still poised for blind argument. Jesus never hesitate to cure the man's child rather the man had issues concerning the use of Jesus' name to heal, in Matthews account of the same story the man first took his son to the Apostles who were just calling Jesus' name according to what he asked them to do even though most of them are still having doubts about their own leader that's what affected the man's child. So when Jesus saw what happened he blamed both his disciples and the man (not the sick child) Jesus later told his disciples that their failure to heal the child is their own lack of faith: “Lord, have mercy on my son, because he is an epileptic and is ill. He falls often into the fire and often into the water. I brought him to your disciples, but they could not cure him.” In reply Jesus said: “O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me.” Then Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him, and the boy was cured from that hour. Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said: “Why could we not expel it?” He said to them: “Because of your little faith. For truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard grain, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you" Matthew 17:15-20 So when Jesus said "lack of faith" he wasn't only talking about those needing cure but the nation of Israel as a whole including his own disciples: "When Jesus heard that, he was amazed and said to those following him: “I tell you the truth, with no one in Israel have I found so great a faith" Matthew 8:10 |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Truvelisback(m): 7:49pm On Mar 30 |
MaxInDHouse:The story is different from the one I am talking about. |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:27pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback:Oya quote where it's found in God's word nah! ![]() |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by Aemmyjah(m): 9:25pm On Mar 30 |
Truvelisback: Good Did she know him to put faith in him? |
Re: Why Did Pastor Adeboye Not Foresee The Painful Untimely Death Of The Wigwes by MightySparrow: 9:56pm On Mar 30 |
Aemmyjah: https://youtube.com/shorts/FFNJabUvW7M?si=DnbL-D8q0RwiM5iS |
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