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Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by MightySparrow: 6:04am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: Your presentation is too sketchy. Dó more research. The historical background to arriving at the doctrine of Trinity is not as simple as you present. Do more research and represent it. This kind of presentation leaves people more confused than the information you intend to pass across. I held such views before reading an edition of Awake in the 90s until last year, am exjw made a documentary on it on your and I went to read further to discover that most presentations are to win arguments not the truth. One fellow also has given details on this platform. Don't be offended my friend. Biko. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Blkpanda: 6:17am On Mar 31 |
Kobojunkie:Let’s go in on this then…. Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel; Jews are but a subset of the Nation of Israel. Jesus Christ said non-Israelites -- those He refered to as Dogs -- are not welcome to have the Kingdom of God as His Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. undecided I’m guessing you mean “Jews are but a subset of the TRIBES of isreal”? And not nation. is this akin to the 12 tribes of isreal that the black Israelites in the us preach about? Jews refer to non Jews as goy and believe they are inferior/lesser humans on the same level as livestock - assuming this relates to the dog part. Are the rest of us from somewhere else? Different God? Or simply here to serve Jews? How do you reconcile this? What is his beef with the dogs? |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Kobojunkie: 6:36am On Mar 31 |
Blkpanda:What God gave to Moses and the children of Israel in the wilderness, after He took them out of slavery in Egypt was the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan; God of Isreal formed a Nation which He called Israel by way of the Law of Moses. After the death of Solomon, the original nation of Israel was split into two nations — the northern nation of Israel and the Southern nation of Judae, both of them Israelite nations. The Southern Nation consisted mainly of Israelites of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. whereas the other tribes went with the Northern nation. So the Jews being a subset of Israel means both the Nation of Israel(before it was split in two) and the Tribes of Israel. 2. This isn't about what derogatory terms Jews use for those who aren't one of them. 3. Nope! After Adam and Eve chose to go it alone without God in the beginning, God washed His hands off the affairs of men, so men could have His way. God chose for Himself a people of His own to use in accomplishing His very plan from the beginning, a plan to create Sons of God with whom to rule over the world. That seemed to be His plan from the beginning and it remains His plan, regardless of what men choose for themselves. 1 Like |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by lawani: 6:47am On Mar 31 |
Kobojunkie: It is about land. A nation needs land to qualify as one. Israel became a nation when the children of Jacob were granted land in Egypt. They multiplied rapidly for four centuries and they became a nation then moved out of Egypt to the peripheral of Egyptian territory which is Israel and Palestine today. If they had given them China that far back they would be over one billion souls today. 1 Like |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by TenQ: 6:53am On Mar 31 |
gaskiyamagana:1. According to Allah and your Islamic doctrine, can you tell me that Allah did NOT by his Destiny (Programming of Allah) made me to detest the deception of Islam leading innocent Muslims to hell fire? 2. Isn't it you Muslims that are "robotically programmed" by Allah not to ask the questions that will save you from your deception and ultimately hell fire but to dogmatically follow a blind 419 who created Islam to indulge in his own fantasy of power, control, women, sex, perfume and food (lamb)? Tell me that you don't believe in the Destiny of Allah again? |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 7:02am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: A Muslim trying to give exegesis of the bible. U go fear. But wouldn't explain why I can't worship the shin of Allah. Oga explain to me is the shin of Allah with Allah or separate from Allah. Otherwise U guys are worshipping a composite god. A god made up of body parts. Your Allah is derived from different body parts. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Blkpanda: 7:05am On Mar 31 |
Kobojunkie: The main thing I’m still lost with is who should the rest of us be worshipping? I saw an older post of yours questioning why we praise Jesus as he told us not to. Are non Jews damned from birth since God only cares about this one tribe? my statement about Jews seeing non Jews as goy/livestock - I meant it in regard to the attitude they carry with it which seems to tie into everything g else you are saying about God having one favourite/chosen group of people Can you recommend any reading (outside of the Bible) to explore this topic some more |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Blkpanda: 7:09am On Mar 31 |
SIRTee15: What is the significance in worshipping the shin? Why shin? |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 7:16am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: Arian theology makes it clear that Jesus is the begotten son of the father. According to Arianism, Jesus is derived from the Logos which is an attribute of the God the father. Arianism taught that the Logos was a divine being begotten by God the Father before the creation of the world, made him a medium through whom everything else was created. As I said earlier, U don't know what I talking about. U muslims are just clutching at straws to validate your weak islamic theology. That was how U guys believe ebionites were the true followers of Christ until that claim was bursted. Meanwhile explain to me when did Jews start calling Ezra the son of God. Since U can't explain to me how your Allah is a composite being, a god made of body parts. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Blkpanda: 7:17am On Mar 31 |
lawani:This makes sense except current day Jews are basically Europeans originating from Central Europe and the Iberian peninsula; unless we are referring to a different people (?) |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Kobojunkie: 7:27am On Mar 31 |
Blkpanda:1. You are free to Worship whatever you wish. That was the freedom Adam and Eve bought for mankind when they chose disobedience. 2. By virtue of Adam's sins, every man descended from them were damned by God - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.. There is nothing special about that. The israelites whom God chose, were eventually cursed by Him about 1900 years ago; this other curse in addition to the previous curse that was from Adam and Eve down through the line. So, compared to an Israelite who is living under the curse of The Law of Moses -- [b]Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 4[/b]3, I would say you have it a whole lot easier. 3. The attitude has nothing to do with God. We are talking of people who are referred to as the lost Sheep of Israel here -- Every Israelite living today is of that class, those condemned to the curse of sin ajdb death by the God of Israel. And No, the israelites of today are not more favored by God. They live under His curse to this day with Jesus Christ as the only path to redemption available to all of them. 4. I am afraid there is no other book to find this information in. All you wish to know of is in that book. Read it as you would any novel of epic, paying close attention to all the God depicted in the book said and did. It is the only way to learn what is written from the that which is not. 1 Like |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:15am On Mar 31 |
MightySparrow: I deliberately didn't put all details hoping to get a strong rebuttal why it isn't so yet. The fact that Arianism still exists today shows how much they weren't convinced otherwise or coerced to believe otherwise. SIRTee15: Oh boy stand well. Arian theology says Jesus is only begotten son that was created and is not a co-creator with God. For Arius and his followers, Jesus is considered a created being who is not eternal and is not equal to the divine. This belief contrasts with the traditional Christian view of the Trinity, where Jesus is seen as co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father. To Arians there was a time when Jesus was not,” indicating that Arians believe there was a time before which the Son existed. This perspective leads them to reject the term “homoousios,” meaning “of one substance” with the Father, as they argue that it is not scripturally supported. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:17am On Mar 31 |
SIRTee15: When answered your closed thinking prevents you from seeing anything else. You were adequately answered and it's not my fault you don't understand or pretend not to understand. It is your understanding or lack of. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by MightySparrow: 8:27am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: I am waiting to see if the thread goes. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 8:32am On Mar 31 |
Blkpanda: According to Muslims the unique oneness of Allah means he's indivisible and he's one in it's entirety. The concept is Tawhid ( oneness of Allah) is hinged on Allah is indivisibly one and single. But if U now telling me Allah has a shin that's with him but not him and cannot be worshipped as Allah, then U admitting Allah is a composite being made up of parts. His uniqueness isn't one because there are some parts of him that do not share his full essence and glory. Allah is not a unified entity. This negates the principle of divine simplicity which states that God does not exist in parts but is one unified entity, with no distinct attributes; that is, God’s esse is identical to God’s essence. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 8:42am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: U didn't answer my question if the shin of Allah is with Allah or separate from him. If U did, screenshot your response otherwise U are a liar. Failure to answer means your god is a composite being. Allah made up of body parts. Simple. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 8:46am On Mar 31 |
Ohyoudidnt: What does Arianism doctrine teach about Logos? We Christians reject Arianism because it's heresy. U Muslims are the ones who seem to have a new lover in Arianism. So tell me what is Arianism doctrine on Logos and how is it related to Jesus Christ. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 9:17am On Mar 31 |
Blkpanda: If Allah is one and single as Muslims want us to believe, then everything about Allah's form and existence should be Allah otherwise he not single. That means his essence should be uniformly distributed in whatever form he exist. But if U are telling me Allah has a shin but I cannot worship the shin. That means his shin doesn't have the essence of Allah. That automatically mean Allah is a composite being who's made up of parts just like human beings even if Muslims don't want to admit. For example my leg is not me, my hands are not me and my face isn't me. Humans are not single beings but composite beings. That's why someone with a leg amputation still retain his full identity because the amputated leg isn't the person, it's just part of the person that no longer exist with him. Above is the description of the god of the Muslims. A god made up of body parts, what a god!!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:20am On Mar 31 |
MightySparrow: You idiot. I know you are so empty headed that instead of saying what you know it's me you will quote! |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Qasim6(m): 9:28am On Mar 31 |
SIRTee15: The fact that the first non Christains source we have is forgery even cast more shadow on Christainity. All these historians you mentioned were all born years after Jesus already left and non of them wrote in anything lesser than 100 years after the event. So I can argue they were only parroting the believe of christains around them, I'm sorry, it doesn't help your case. I already believe Jesus walked this earth, I don't need convincing. You should try using all of these against mythicist. SIRTee15: A dubious character u say? A whole chosen servant of God in Isaiah 42. You don't want to go to all this forging accusation, that is something peculiar with Christainity. It is silly and unwise, don't go there! SIRTee15: Is Christainity as a religion 100% faith and 0% common sense?, Because I don't understand how any sane person will follow a religion riddled with so much forgeries. SIRTee15: You go wait tire! |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by MightySparrow: 10:29am On Mar 31 |
MaxInDHouse: Old soldier! Epe! Epe!! Epe!!! |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Straybullet: 10:40am On Mar 31 |
Qasim6: It must hurt so bad that with all the blood letting mohammed and his followers perpetrated, they're struggling to gain the traction of a man that was a peasant, never had any organisation formed, and virtually unknown. You must be wishing you had his secret as mohammeds warmongering is unable to match up... |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by SIRTee15: 11:17am On Mar 31 |
Qasim6:Again another gbagaun. The first person we know that wrote about Jesus was thallus the Samaritan who described the events of the cruxifixion around 50s AD. Ben mara sarapion wrote about Jesus in 73AD. Josephus' works was in late 90s AD. So who first wrote about Christ. Qasim6: Seriously coming from a Muslim whose knowledge about Christ came from a forger 630 years after chrsit lived. U refuse to believe someone that wrote about Christ 100 years after his death but swallowed the tales of a desert forger who lived 600 yrs after the events he described. U go fear the way Muslims reason. Islam can never be reconciled with common sense, it's an infinite impossibility. Qasim6:It's ok to live in delusion, U won't be the first and not the last. I'm happy to cure your delusion of Isaiah 42 if U oblige me. Bur as usual U will run away. Qasim6:The biggest work of forgery ever known to mankind is the Koran. How Muslims believe that it's from God is a mystery to me. The whole of story about jesus in your Koran is not any divine revelation. They are stories in our apocryphal gospels. Stories of Mary, jesus talking at birth and jesus creating life are all in our gospel books written 100 years after the said events. Go and read the infancy gospel of Thomas and protoevangelium of James, all the stories are there. These are gospel books we rejected because we know they are forgeries. Now a forger forging from a forgery book into his own forged book only to turn around to lie that Allah told him the stories. U Muslims are lost. Qasim6: Tell me when did Jews start calling Ezra the son of God. because your Koran claimed they do. Let's see the religion of zero common sense and 100% blind faith. Qasim6: Then your Allah is a composite god. He's a god made up of body parts. If I can't worship the shin of Allah, then your Allah isn't single. U people should do more to learn about your religion, it's comedy at best. Next time I'm going to ask u when did your god start calling himself Allah. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:54am On Mar 31 |
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Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Dsimmer: 11:58am On Mar 31 |
Kobojunkie: The snake represent the law while the death of Jesus or the cross represent mercy at the face of the law. The Hebrews sinned in the forest thus were punished for their actions however were later pardoned and healed while looking at the snake lifted up on the cross. So it meant they obtained mercy regardless of their sin. That is, they obtained mercy at the face of the law, represented by the snake which represents the law. The death and resurrection of Jesus which is represented by the cross, signifies mercy/salvation at the face of the law. That was exactly what Paul was saying because he was a participant of such mercy/salvation at the face of the law. However, this doesn't mean one should continue to do evil/commit crime because like Paul stated, we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound. That being said, Jesus was indeed sent to the Hebrews, however, his salvation is meant for all. Aside that, His salvation also teaches a lesson which is, we should show mercy, especially when it's needed or warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it. As for the OP of the thread, he dey craze like the paedophilic criminal lunatic who drank camel urine. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:59am On Mar 31 |
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Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:03pm On Mar 31 |
[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=129197061][/quote] When a bias creates a limiting thought how can new information get through? You believe so strongly in your understanding of how God created man in his own image which automatically inclines you to think of man shaped God. Probably complicated with the eccess of seeing a person born without a father in Jesus who you wrongly promote to be God. None is like Allah and nothing is comparable to him. Take off the bounds with which you limit your thoughts. 1 Like |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by gaskiyamagana: 12:07pm On Mar 31 |
TenQ:I am not a fool. As usual and as ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED, to jump from one unfinished ignorant about Islam to another OR dodge/ run away from one issue to another. What does destiny has to do with what is difference between your human blood users spiritualists and your blood sucking God? Destiny! Destiny!! Destiny!!! In Islam with your Christianized Quran, fabricated Hadith with reverse and anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED reasoning, thinking, interpretation, understanding and convictions, I am not a fool or foolish to discuss it with you, even other issues on Islam, until and unless you are deactivate as robot and bring to me to reprogram to reason, not to revert to Islam. Again, what is difference between your human blood sucking God and human blood user spiritualists? |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by gaskiyamagana: 12:10pm On Mar 31 |
Dsimmer:Very, very high on JesusWeed plus together, combine with Christamadol and sniffled Easter Colorado. 1 Like |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by gaskiyamagana: 12:16pm On Mar 31 |
SIRTee15: I pity those who are wasting their time, argument , explanation and reasoning with anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED persons who are nothing BUT ISLAMIC RELIGION NUISANCE IN RELIGION SECTION OF NAIRALAND. |
Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Dsimmer: 12:17pm On Mar 31 |
gaskiyamagana: Peadophilic perverted criminal lunatic, Mohammad should rather shut up with his camel's urine mouth. Bunch of rag heads.
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Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by gaskiyamagana: 12:20pm On Mar 31 |
Dsimmer:Online lunatichristian sighted and hereby referred to online pychatric hospital. |
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