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Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by elhakiimed(m): 10:24am On Apr 02 |
tctrills: You misunderstood me and continue to produce evidence against yourself. Long before colonizers, many jews emigrated to Europe without any particular history of targeted persecution like in Europe. Arabs were Majority, yes. But not because they exterminated jews. Both jews and arabs lived, quarreled, married, do business together like every society. Europeans came with their virus and poison people against themselves as they always do. They separated people by faith, race, and color and ruined what they had like they did to us too. Now kids die in thousands and stooges all over clap for the criminals just because they have some twisted mutual faith interest. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 10:31am On Apr 02 |
elhakiimed:If your point is that some Jews have always been in the land, no one is arguing with you. Even after the extermination, a few Jewish communities remained or returned hundreds of years ago. Most of these people were assimilated into modern Israel. Even the Israeli prime minister recently alluded to that. You don't seem to be making any strong point here. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by elhakiimed(m): 10:50am On Apr 02 |
tctrills: Good that youre back on track. Before you confused yourself with the video, you mentioned the land was shared fairly between the two sides. 56% was given to Isreal and 44 to the Arab state. First, the sharing was problematic because Arabs were Majority, so there was always plan to displace them for European jews. Now ask yourself how many percentage of the total land they currently occupy before Oct 6, while the UN turned a blind eye? They didn't just occupy and leave the Arabs in peace, they rape, molest, and dehumanize them. This is the side you support. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 10:56am On Apr 02 |
elhakiimed:You are funny but let's move on. First. The entire Jordan was given to the Arabs who are the very same people as the Palestinians. Again. The Israelis got most of the Negev desert. So yes they got more land if you are counting a desert. Now you raised a great point. How did the Israeli land increase? First, you friends, the Arabs rejected the plan and went to war with one objective, take up all the land to themselves. But then, they lost and the reverse happened Israel took more land. Wars have consequences. You don't fight to take away someone's land and expect yours not to be taken when you lose. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by elhakiimed(m): 11:08am On Apr 02 |
tctrills: First, You're wrong about Jordan being Palestinians reference. The arab part of Palestine was taken in 1950 by jordan, so the Arabs can control Jerusalem and holy sites. Unlike Isreal they didn't have illegal settlement and finally returned the land to Palestinians control by 1988. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 11:20am On Apr 02 |
elhakiimed:What are you talking about oga? Jordan was given independence by the Brits in 1946. Again what do you mean by the Arab part of Palestine? Are you now saying that some parts of Palestine were not Arab parts? Anyway, the only part of Palestine Jordan controlled was the west bank and that was in 1948 not 1950 and they drove out every single Jew from the land. Lastly, they did not return the land to the Palestinians. Isreal captured it in 1948 6 six-day war from Jordan. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by AlexBells(m): 12:53pm On Apr 02 |
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Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by DeOTR: 5:18pm On Apr 02 |
elhakiimed:Hamas attacked civilians in Israel and took women and minors as hostages on October 7. There's no way I can rationalize that. I careless if they molested the hostages or not. The psychological torture alone is enough. Hamas is the official government of Palestinians. Attacking civilians and taking non-combatant hostages is already against the ethics. It's hypocrisy and cowardice to complain now that Israel is giving them back in multiple doses. I don't pity people that does wrong, then turn around to cry Wolf. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 9:49am On Apr 03 |
elhakiimed:I really like your thread. You asked us to give you our reasons for supporting Israel without reference to the bible. I hope we have satisfied you and now you see that our support isn't just because we are fantastics. Rather, it's based on our understanding of history. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by elhakiimed(m): 3:48am On Apr 04 |
tctrills: Actually, I stopped responding because I got tired of going around in circles. And this DeOTR's post, in quote below, just weak me. Every claim told by Idf except that hostages were taken whenever verified turns out to be false or half truth at best. Psychology pressure is what bothers him above carcass of children on the street. By his logic, Palestinians are supposed to be justified for their attack because they were orphaned too and displaced, right? If human lives are equal, what makes killing people , jew or arabs, okay? My argument is it doesn't matter, who we think is wrong or right in this war. So long as we justify mass killing, we can never be safe ourselves. Some psychos will always find a reason for war. If it's OK to kill some people, the cycle will never end. DeOTR: |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 8:24am On Apr 04 |
elhakiimed:I am not getting you at all. You asked that we give you reasons outside the bible why Israel is justified in their war and that's what we did And yes, war is not a pretty sight. But in the case of Israel, it's a necessity. I also think that Israel has be far more honest and transparent than most armies at war. I don't blame Israel for the mass deaths, I blame Hamas. They were calculating on the sympathy and pressure from people like you to stop Israel after October 07. The innocent people of Palestine don't deserve this. They deserve a government that cares about their safety. One more thing, it seems you guys only show concern when Jews kill Moslems. But when Moslems kill their fellow Moslems like in the case of Syria, or the killing of the Kurds or better still, the mass. Killing in Sudan, you guys are silent. I truly appreciate you for having a discussion without turning it into a fight like so many Hamas supporters on Nairaland. I love your maturity. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by elhakiimed(m): 6:19pm On Apr 04 |
tctrills: I am not Hamas supporter, nobody should support what they did, just as no one should support IDF's indiscriminate killings before and after Oct 7. I believe that the Arabs and Jews are both victims of extremists agenda from both Hamas and the IDF zionists. However, I do support the Palestine cause and wish they are liberated from Israel occupation. |
Re: Religion Aside. What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Isreal? by tctrills: 10:39pm On Apr 04 |
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