tctrills:
Extract from the video transcript.
In addition to promising a Jewish homeland in Palestine,
They promised Arab leaders independence if they rose up against Britain's enemy, the Ottoman Empire.
The Arabs did. Hollywood even made a movie about it. Arabia's for the Arabs now.
The people who lived there were Arabs, mostly Muslims, but there were Christian and Jewish minorities too.
There was also a tiny number of European Jews.
At a time when many Jews were suffering horrific persecution in Europe,
they felt Palestine could be an escape.
The Jewish community in Palestine grew with big waves of immigration.

9.36To nobody’s surprise Palestinians -
9:38
and in fact, all Arabs - rejected the UN’s plan.

So your entire belief that the present occupants of Israel is proven false even in the most anti-Israel video

elhakiimed:


You misunderstood me and continue to produce evidence against yourself. Long before colonizers, many jews emigrated to Europe without any particular history of targeted persecution like in Europe. Arabs were Majority, yes. But not because they exterminated jews. Both jews and arabs lived, quarreled, married, do business together like every society.

tctrills:

By the united nations. Now previous to the British colonizing the land of Palestine, it was already under the colonial rule of the ottoman empire.
You can insult the British for all you can but they were no different from any other colonizers in history such as the fulanis, the Arabs, the Oyo empire and the Benin empire.
But as legal owners of the land, The British had the power to put it in the hands of the Jews but they chose to do the fair thing. They divided it among the 2 groups who had a claim to the land.

elhakiimed:


Good that youre back on track. Before you confused yourself with the video, you mentioned the land was shared fairly between the two sides. 56% was given to Isreal and 44 to the Arab state. First, the sharing is problematic because Arabs were Majority, so there was always plan to replace them with European jews. No ask yourself how many percentage of the total land they currently occupy before Oct 6, while the UN turned a blind eye? They didn't just occupy and leave the Arabs in peace, they rape, molest, and dehumanize them. This is the side you support.

tctrills:

You are funny but let's move on.
First. The entire Jordan was given to the Arabs who are the very same people as the Palestinians. Again. The Israelis got most of the Negev desert. So yes they got more land if you are counting a desert.
Now you raised a great point. How did the Israeli land increase?
First, you friends, the Arabs rejected the plan and went to war with one objective, take up all the land to themselves.
But then, they lost and the reverse happened Israel took more land. Wars have consequences. You don't fight to take away someone's land and expect yours not to be taken when you lose.

elhakiimed:


First, You're wrong about Jordan being Palestinians reference. The arab part of Palestine was taken in 1950 by jordan, so the Arabs can control Jerusalem and holy sites. Unlike Isreal they didn't have illegal settlement and finally returned the land to Palestinians control by 1988.

Coldkev17:
it's going on smoothly brother. Hopefully It will commence on April 19


Have you see the news about Nigeria eligibility on meta? I was very happy that it will start soon

elhakiimed:


Wait please. Just take a moment to think about it . Do you see the Isreali hostages during release by Hamas. Do those people look like they have been molested in any way? Hamas claimed to have only targeted military bases and resources, Isreal said they raped civilians to arouse anger from public. Isreal claim an hospital is hamas base, a claim we now know was a false and PR deceit.

elhakiimed:


First, You're wrong about Jordan being Palestinians reference. The arab part of Palestine was taken in 1950 by jordan, so the Arabs can control Jerusalem and holy sites. Unlike Isreal they didn't have illegal settlement and finally returned the land to Palestinians control by 1988.

tctrills:

I really like your thread. You asked us to give you our reasons for supporting Israel without reference to the bible. I hope we have satisfied you and now you see that our support isn't just because we are fantastics. Rather, it's based on our understanding of history.

DeOTR:

Hamas attacked civilians in Israel and took women and minors as hostages on October 7. There's no way I can rationalize that. I careless if they molested the hostages or not. The psychological torture alone is enough.
Hamas is the official government of Palestinians. Attacking civilians and taking non-combatant hostages is already against the ethics.
It's hypocrisy and cowardice to complain now that Israel is giving them back in multiple doses.
I don't pity people that does wrong, then turn around to cry Wolf.

elhakiimed:


Actually, I stopped responding because I got tired of going around in circles.

And this DeOTR's post, in quote below, just weak me. Every claim told by Idf except that hostages were taken whenever verified turns out to be false or half truth at best.

Psychology pressure is what bothers him above carcass of children on the street. By his logic, Palestinians are supposed to be justified for their attack because they were orphaned too and displaced, right?

If human lives are equal, what makes killing people , jew or arabs, okay?

My argument is it doesn't matter, who we think is wrong or right in this war. So long as we justify mass killing, we can never be safe ourselves. Some psychos will always find a reason for war.

If it's OK to kill some people, the cycle will never end.

tctrills:

I am not getting you at all. You asked that we give you reasons outside the bible why Israel is justified in their war and that's what we did
And yes, war is not a pretty sight. But in the case of Israel, it's a necessity.
I also think that Israel has be far more honest and transparent than most armies at war.
I don't blame Israel for the mass deaths, I blame Hamas. They were calculating on the sympathy and pressure from people like you to stop Israel after October 07.
The innocent people of Palestine don't deserve this. They deserve a government that cares about their safety.
One more thing, it seems you guys only show concern when Jews kill Moslems.
But when Moslems kill their fellow Moslems like in the case of Syria, or the killing of the Kurds or better still, the mass. Killing in Sudan, you guys are silent.

I truly appreciate you for having a discussion without turning it into a fight like so many Hamas supporters on Nairaland. I love your maturity.

elhakiimed:


I am not Hamas supporter, nobody should support what they did, just as no one should support IDF's indiscriminate killings before and after Oct 7.

I believe that the Arabs and Jews are both victims of extremists agenda from both Hamas and the IDF zionists.
We both know that if we ask you for evidence of the data showing the IDFs indiscriminate killings before oct 7 you would come up with nothing.
Just so you know, before October 07, life expectancy in Gaza was over 73 years. You guys have abused the word genocide.

As for after October 07, oga you must be naive to expect a war to be fought without civilian casualties.
Now the case of Gaza is made worse by the following factors
1. It's one of the most densely populated cities on earth
2.The civilian population have no where to go as Egypt are not allowing for refugees.
3. Hamas doesn't wear uniforms.
4 Hamas doesn't maintain a battlefield.
5. Hamas uses it's people as human shields.
Bros lets be honest, under these circumstances, we should be praising and not criticizing Israel. If it were most other armies, the death toll of civilians would be in the hundreds of thousands.



However, I do support the Palestine cause and wish they are liberated from Israel occupation.