Kobojunkie:
They didn't practice Judaism. Rather, Judaism came about during the time the people of Judah where taking into exile in the land of Babylon. There they saw how Nebuchadnezzar installed and willed power over his people as though a god. When the Jews returned they came back with the idea of religion and so set out to insert themselves as administrators and middlemen between the God of their fathers and the people of Judah. That is how Judaism was brought back from Babylon to Jerusalem around 545 - 400BC.

God of Israel hates religion - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31.. Jesus Christ disavowed religion and its every doctrines and traditions. Jesus Christ condemned Judaism and its leaders during His time. Surely, you can see how Jesus Christ cannot then accept Christianity, a religion modelled after Judaism and any other offshoots of the same. Religion is the antichrist system described as the beasts by John in his book of visions and dreams, The book of Revelations.

Guy you are too daft..


Judaism, monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews. Judaism is characterized by a belief in one transcendent God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions. Judaism is the complex phenomenon of a total way of life for the Jewish people, comprising theology, law, and innumerable cultural traditions.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Judaism


You can't just come online and be typing nonsense!

SharonLoveth:
Guy you are too daft..
Judaism, monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews. Judaism is characterized by a belief in one transcendent God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions. Judaism is the complex phenomenon of a total way of life for the Jewish people, comprising theology, law, and innumerable cultural traditions.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Judaism
You can't just come online and be typing nonsense!

I see now that I am trying to engage someone who does not even care to acknowledge any of the facts at all. The following is taken right from the same article which you quoted from.

In the 19th century, biblical scholars moved the decisive division back to the period of the Babylonian Exile and the restoration of the Jews to the kingdom of Judah (6th–5th century BCE). They asserted that after the first fall of Jerusalem (586 BCE) the ancient “Israelitic” religion gave way to a new form of the “Jewish” faith, or Judaism, as formulated by the reformer Ezra (5th century BCE) and his school. In Die Entstehung des Judentums (1896; “The Origin of Judaism”) the German historian Eduard Meyer argued that Judaism originated in the Persian period, or the days of Ezra and Nehemiah (5th century BCE); indeed, he attributed an important role in shaping the emergent religion to Persian imperialism.

These theories, however, have been discarded by most scholars in the light of a more comprehensive knowledge of the ancient Middle East and the abandonment of a theory of gradual evolutionary development that was dominant at the beginning of the 20th century. Most Jews share a long-accepted notion that there never was a real break in continuity and that Mosaic-prophetic-priestly Judaism was continued, with only a few modifications, in the work of the Pharisaic and rabbinic sages well into the modern period. Even today the various Jewish groups—whether Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform—all claim direct spiritual descent from the Pharisees and the rabbinic sages. In fact, however, many developments have occurred within so-called normative or Rabbinic Judaism.

In any event, the history of Judaism can be divided into the following major periods: biblical Judaism (c. 20th–4th century BCE), Hellenistic Judaism (4th century BCE–2nd century CE), Rabbinic Judaism (2nd–18th century CE), and modern Judaism (c. 1750 to the present).

The religion you know of today as Judaism began after the first fall of Jerusalem back in 586 BC.

Kobojunkie:
I see now that I am trying to engage someone who does not even care to acknowledge any of the facts at all. The following is taken right from the same article which you quoted from.
The religion you know of today as Judaism began after the first fall of Jerusalem back in 586 BC.

Why would you said they didn't practice Judaism when Judaism a monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews.

Kobojunkie:
I

They didn't practice Judaism. Rather, Judaism came about during the time

Incase of next time, do your research before propagating what is called nonsense

SharonLoveth:
■ Why would you said they didn't practice Judaism when Judaism a monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews.
■ Incase of next time, do your research before propagating what is called nonsense

You are not paying attention at all. Abraham, Moses, and all the other Prophets did not practice any religion. What they did was simple and that was that they obeyed God's Law. Obedience of God's Law is not religion and Religion is not of God.

2. You did your research and the article informed you that the religion called Judaism which you know today began around the 4th-6th century BC period which is around the period of the exile and after of the Jews of Judah. The Nation of Israel which was destroyed before then— 720BC — did not have such a religion. Open your eyes to see what is right before you!

Kobojunkie:


You are not paying attention at all. Abraham, Moses, and all the other Prophets did not practice any religion. What they did was simple and that was that they obeyed God's Law. Obedience of God's Law is not religion and Religion is not of God.

Why would I pay attention to the gullibility you're vomiting?

Is Judaism not a religion developed among the ancient Hebrew originated with the biblical patriarch Abraham (approx 1800 BCE). Abraham established a covenant with God that was confirmed with the reception of the Torah (the Law including the Ten Commandments) from God through Moses to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai?

You like to argue blindly, stupidly here on nairaland!

Kobojunkie:

2. You did your research and the article informed you that the religion called Judaism which you know today began around the 4th-6th century BC period which is around the period of the exile and after of the Jews of Judah. The Nation of Israel which was destroyed before then— 720BC — did not have such a religion. Open your eyes to see what is right before you!

You see where you missed it guy, am I talking of modern day Judaism? Please can you get the fcck away from here

SharonLoveth:
■ Why would I pay attention to the gullibility you're vomiting? Is Judaism not a religion developed among the ancient Hebrew originated with the biblical patriarch Abraham (approx 1800 BCE). Abraham established a covenant with God that was confirmed with the reception of the Torah (the Law including the Ten Commandments) from God through Moses to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai? You like to argue blindly, stupidly here on nairaland! You see where you missed it guy, am I talking of modern day Judaism? Please can you get the fcck away from here

What instead God established with Abraham was a Covenant, A Law, not a religion? Religion is not a Law and is not based on a Law. And the Law that God gave to the people of Israel, all 12 tribes of Israel, was a National Constitutional Law, not a religion or an idea that would be confused as such. Try to understand the meaning of what you read.

The term Judaism originates, not from Abraham, but from the Nation of Judah which came into being after the original nation of Israel was split up into two nations after the death of Solomon. The nation of Judah consisted of 3 of the 12 tribes of Israel — Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Before the people of Judah were led off to captivity in Babylon by the God of Israel who used Nebuchadnezzar to punish them for their sins against Him, He warned of the firing of all of His those he had appointed as shepherds over His people. He warned of their adoption of religion over obedience which He instead commands, and declared that He alone would be shepherd over His people - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31. The people of course refused to heed His warning as they came back embracing Religion and it's many ideas which they obtained from the foreigners who had them in captivity. It is for this reason that Religion in the book of Revelation is referred to as the LovePeddler of Babylon.

Kobojunkie:


What instead God established with Abraham was a Covenant, A Law, not a religion? Religion is not a Law and is not based on a Law. And the Law that God gave to the people of Israel, all 12 tribes of Israel, was a National Constitutional Law, not a religion or an idea that would be confused as such. Try to understand the meaning of what you read.

Did I said God founded Judaism? Are you really okay at all.. Go back and read everything I pasted

Kobojunkie:

The term Judaism originates, not from Abraham, but from the Nation of Judah which came into being after the original nation of Israel was split up into two nations after the death of Solomon. The nation of Judah consisted of 3 of the 12 tribes of Israel — Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

The term Judaism originated from your dad if not Abraham right?

Engaging you is a waste of time and energy.. You have Britannica that you can access through google, ask google the founder of Judaism!

ahmedio2017:



Ok Arab (ISHMAEL) is not from God?
They are from who?

This is not my focus. My focus is on the atonement law.


But to answer your question.
Ishmael is not from God. He was a result of Sarah's impatience who forced Abraham to sleep with their CONCUBINE.

Isaac is the covenant child that God promised Abraham whom he had with SARAH his WIFE.

Ishmael's birth was a generational mistake. Just as bad as Adam's transgression.
And his seed has been an evil thorn in Isaac's flesh till today. When Israel sinned, God allowed their enemies including Ishmelites (Philistians, Moabites, hivites etc) to afflict and enslave them.
But whenever the Israelites repented from their sins, God raised a leader/prophet to lead Israel to destroy their enemies and obtain their freedom from slavery

MrPRevailer:


This is not my focus. My focus is on the atonement law.


But to answer your question.
Ishmael is not from God. He was a result of Sarah's impatience who forced Abraham to sleep with their CONCUBINE.

Isaac is the covenant child that God promised Abraham whom he had with SARAH his WIFE.

Ishmael's birth was a generational mistake. Just as bad as Adam's transgression.
And his seed has been an evil thorn in Isaac's flesh till today. When Israel sinned, God allowed their enemies including Ishmelites (Philistians, Moabites, hivites etc) to afflict and enslave them.
But whenever the Israelites repented from their sins, God raised a leader/prophet to lead Israel to destroy their enemies and obtain their freedom from slavery

Why are you guys like this, why can't you guys use your senses? If ISHMAEL is not from God then he's from where?

SharonLoveth:


Judaism is an Abrahamic, monotheistic, and ethnic religion. It comprises the collective spiritual, cultural, and legal traditions of the Jewish people, having originated as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age.

Muslim is a follower of the religion of Islam. Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish?

Maybe you should use your search tools for a better results,


The word Muslim comes from the Arabic language which means a person who surrendered to God.

Judaism believed in oneness of God
ISLAM believed in oneness of God

The aforementioned prophets, didn't surrendered to God?

Because they surrendered to God and also believed in oneness of God make them a Muslim....

SharonLoveth:
∆ Did I said God founded Judaism? Are you really okay at all.. Go back and read everything I pasted
The term Judaism originated from your dad if not Abraham right?
Engaging you is a waste of time and energy.. You have Britannica that you can access through google, ask google the founder of Judaism!

Interesting! Continue then.

ahmedio2017:



Maybe you should use your search tools for a better results,


The word Muslim comes from the Arabic language which means a person who surrendered to God.

Judaism believed in oneness of God
ISLAM believed in oneness of God

The aforementioned prophets, didn't surrendered to God?

Because they surrendered to God and also believed in oneness of God make them a Muslim....

Even those worshipping god of thunder believe in oneness of God

The question goes thus again and don't forget to answer!

Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish?

Prophets of those days practiced JUDAISM none of them worshipped the stone of kaaba.

Your quran says MUHAMMAD WAS THE FIRST MUSLIM so what make Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Jesus Christ Muslims when Muhammad was the first Muslim on earth?


Judaism, monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews. Judaism is characterized by a belief in one transcendent God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions. Judaism is the complex phenomenon of a total way of life for the Jewish people, comprising theology, law, and innumerable cultural traditions.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting! Continue then.

Take your ignorant else where. Joke of the century, Abraham is not the founder of Judaism. I laugh at your stupidity

SharonLoveth:


Even those worshipping god of thunder believe in oneness of God

The question goes thus again and don't forget to answer!

Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish?

Prophets of those days practiced JUDAISM none of them worshipped the stone of kaaba.

Your quran says MUHAMMAD WAS THE FIRST MUSLIM so what make Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Jesus Christ Muslims when Muhammad was the first Muslim on earth?


Judaism, monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews. Judaism is characterized by a belief in one transcendent God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions. Judaism is the complex phenomenon of a total way of life for the Jewish people, comprising theology, law, and innumerable cultural traditions.

Where does Quran says Muhammad is the first Muslim

I dont think you are a Muslim for asking me this foolish question or should we say you ain't attended Quranic school in your entire life?

ahmedio2017:



Where does Quran says Muhammad is the first Muslim

(Muhammad), ask them, "Should I take a guardian other than God, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, who feeds everyone and who needs no food Himself?" Say, "I have been commanded to be the first Muslim (submitted to the will of God). Thus, people, do not be pagans." (Quran 6:14 Muhammad Sarwar)



Say: ´Am I to take anyone other than Allah as my protector, the Bringer into Being of the heavens and the earth, He who feeds and is not fed?´ Say: ´I am commanded to be the first of the Muslims,´ and, ´Do not be among the idolaters.´ (Quran 6:14 Aisha Bewley)



Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall I take as a Walee (helper, protector, etc.) any other than Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed." Say: "Verily, I am commanded to be the first of those who submit themselves to Allah (as Muslims)." And be not you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah).. (Quran 6:14 Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali)


Say: ‘Should I take any but God for my Protector? Creator of the heavens and the earth, He gives nourishment to all and is nourished by none.‘ Say: ‘I was commanded to be the first of the Muslims. You shall serve no other god besides Him.‘ Quran 6:14 N J Dawood (2014)


Say, “Shall I take for myself a guardian other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, He Who feeds and is not fed?” Say, “I have been commanded to be the first of those who become Muslims,” and do not ever be of the polytheists. (Quran 6:14 Fadel Soliman, Bridges‘ Translation)


And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).” (Qur’an 39:11-12 Pickthall)

When will you answer this or you still want to use question to answer question?


Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish?

ahmedio2017:



Where does Quran says Muhammad is the first Muslim

Muhammad was the last Muslim nah ABIRUN.. sha come and finish what you started here jare

https://www.nairaland.com/8045743/photos-christians-perform-drama-depicting/13#129233329

SharonLoveth:
I dont think you are a Muslim for asking me this foolish question or should we say you ain't attended Quranic school in your entire life?




(Muhammad), ask them, "Should I take a guardian other than God, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, who feeds everyone and who needs no food Himself?" Say, "I have been commanded to be the first Muslim (submitted to the will of God). Thus, people, do not be pagans." (Quran 6:14 Muhammad Sarwar)



Say: ´Am I to take anyone other than Allah as my protector, the Bringer into Being of the heavens and the earth, He who feeds and is not fed?´ Say: ´I am commanded to be the first of the Muslims,´ and, ´Do not be among the idolaters.´ (Quran 6:14 Aisha Bewley)



Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall I take as a Walee (helper, protector, etc.) any other than Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed." Say: "Verily, I am commanded to be the first of those who submit themselves to Allah (as Muslims)." And be not you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah).. (Quran 6:14 Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali)


Say: ‘Should I take any but God for my Protector? Creator of the heavens and the earth, He gives nourishment to all and is nourished by none.‘ Say: ‘I was commanded to be the first of the Muslims. You shall serve no other god besides Him.‘ Quran 6:14 N J Dawood (2014)


Say, “Shall I take for myself a guardian other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, He Who feeds and is not fed?” Say, “I have been commanded to be the first of those who become Muslims,” and do not ever be of the polytheists. (Quran 6:14 Fadel Soliman, Bridges‘ Translation)


And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).” (Qur’an 39:11-12 Pickthall)

When will you answer this or you still want to use question to answer question?


Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish?

Lolzzzzzzzz stop misquoting Quran

6:14

Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who SUBMIT [to Allah ] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists ' "


SO WHERE IS THE FIRST MUSLIM HERE

He was referring to his people qurashi.

ahmedio2017:




Lolzzzzzzzz stop misquoting Quran

6:14

Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who SUBMIT [to Allah ] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists ' "


SO WHERE IS THE FIRST MUSLIM HERE

He was referring to his people qurashi.

I gave you six different versions of the Quran where Muhammad was admitted as the first Muslim on earth, you came in with another version telling me that I misquoted the quran.

Firstly, those versions I wrote out were they written by Sharon? Secondly, if you didn't lack comprehensive skill which I knew you lacked, will you tell me the different with all the versions I posted for you to yours that is not misquoted?


This is the definition you gave for the term Muslim

ahmedio2017:


Muslim comes from the Arabic language which means a person who surrendered to God

Is there any different between SURRENDER and SUBMIT?

From your own version, it says SUBMIT which means Muhammad was the FIRST Muslim, why? Because he was the first human to SUBMIT/SURRENDER himself to his god

What I noticed you lack is comprehensive ability to understand simple sentence and meaning of SURRENDER and SUBMIT

Those engaging you are really doing a great job, you are worthless to have been using a browsing phone talk more of engaging sane people on internet with the way you argue blindly

I will advice you to go back to school and be fully well educated!

If because of the question I asked you (Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish) made you ridiculing yourself in this manner as you couldn't answer for the sake of been exposed further, why not just look away rather than telling me I posted misquoted various versions of quran that in contexts not different from yours. THOSE ENGAGING YOU ON NL. ARE DOING A GREAT JOB!

ahmedio2017:




Why are you guys like this, why can't you guys use your senses? If ISHMAEL is not from God then he's from where?

Didn't I just tell you?!

Islam is about promoting Arabs and Ishmelites but they have been enemies of God and Israelites since the beginning.
And from begining they always watch for God to forsake Israel so that they can attack Israel.

That's why Mohammed deceived his followers to believe God has forsaken Israel forever. He is not the first not 1000th heathen leader who indoctrinated like this.

Didn't God command Israel to destroy their nations on several occasions?

I will repeat it again.

God promised Abraham a Son with whom he will make a great nation. and told him to be patient. Abraham was barren for 25years.
Sarah, Abraham's wife became impatient and forced Abraham to have a son with their CONCUBINE, Hagar.

This was not God's plan.

At Abraham's age of 100 years, God appeared to Abraham and told him his wife shall conceive. Which she did.

When Isaac grownup boy, God appeared to Abraham to test him.
God said to him: "Take ISAAC, YOUR ONLY SON and offer him up to me for a burnt offering on the mountain I will show you."

Why did God call Isaac, his only Son?
Didn't God know that he had another son?

But was that a legal Son? No.
Why did God not recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son?

God should have said '"take your Son, Isaac."

But he said take your only Son, Isaac. Because Ishmael is not a product of the holy union/marriage of Abraham and Sarah his Wife.

MrPRevailer:


Didn't I just tell you?!

Islam is about promoting Arabs and Ishmelites but they have been enemies of God and Israelites since the beginning.
And from begining they always watch for God to forsake Israel so that they can attack Israel.

That's why Mohammed deceived his followers to believe God has forsaken Israel forever. He is not the first not 1000th heathen leader who indoctrinated like this.

Didn't God command Israel to destroy their nations on several occasions?


God promised Abraham a Son with whom he will make a great nation. and told him to be patient. Abraham was barren for 25years.
Sarah, Abraham's wife became impatient and forced Abraham to have a son with their CONCUBINE, Hagar.

This was not God's plan.

At Abraham's age of 100 years, God appeared to Abraham and told him his wife shall conceive. Which she did.

When Isaac grownup boy, God appeared to Abraham to test him.
God said to him: "Take ISAAC, YOUR ONLY SON and offer him up to me for a burnt offering on the mountain I will show you."

Why did God call Isaac, his only Son?
Didn't God know that he had another son?

But was that a legal Son? No.
Why did God not recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son?

God should have said '"take your Son, Isaac."

But he said take your only Son, Isaac. Because Ishmael is not a product of the holy union/marriage of Abraham and Sarah his Wife.

So therefore ISHMAEL is not from God?
Is from who?
I love what you are smoking...
Why did God gave him Ismael in the first instance?
Anyways your god used to makes mistakes though perhaps your god made another mistake here

SharonLoveth:


I gave you six different versions of the Quran where Muhammad was admitted as the first Muslim on earth, you came in with another version telling me that I misquoted the quran.

Firstly, those versions I wrote out were they written by Sharon? Secondly, if you didn't lack comprehensive skill which I knew you lacked, will you tell me the different with all the versions I posted for you to yours that is not misquoted?


This is the definition you gave for the term Muslim




Is there any different between SURRENDER and SUBMIT?

From your own version, it says SUBMIT which means Muhammad was the FIRST Muslim, why? Because he was the first human to SUBMIT/SURRENDER himself to his god

What I noticed you lack is comprehensive ability to understand simple sentence and meaning of SURRENDER and SUBMIT

Those engaging you are really doing a great job, you are worthless to have been using a browsing phone talk more of engaging sane people on internet with the way you argue blindly

I will advice you to go back to school and be fully well educated!

If because of the question I asked you (Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish) made you ridiculing yourself in this manner as you couldn't answer for the sake of been exposed further, why not just look away rather than telling me I posted misquoted various versions of quran that in contexts not different from yours. THOSE ENGAGING YOU ON NL. ARE DOING A GREAT JOB!

ahmedio2017 a fi gba to papa seleya gbangba.. Sebi I told you that you get nothing for brain, see as SharonLoveth useless you ABIRUN.. Aunty Sharon, thank you jare for exposing this boy wey no nothing but loves ranting like a madman



ahmedio2017 see your useless life outside, see wetin Sharon tell you odeh omo


Those engaging you are really doing a great job, you are worthless to have been using a browsing phone talk more of engaging sane people on internet with the way you argue blindly


I will advice you to go back to school and be fully well educated!

Ahmed pele sogbo, take heart you'll be fine just take a cup of camel urine adojutini omo, afi gba to seleya isilamu ni gbangba

ahmedio2017:



So therefore ISHMAEL is not from God?
Is from who?
I love what you are smoking...
Why did God gave him Ismael in the first instance?
Anyways your god used to makes mistakes though perhaps your god made another mistake here

Alainironu omo still talking, cover your face in shame

SharonLoveth:


I gave you six different versions of the Quran where Muhammad was admitted as the first Muslim on earth, you came in with another version telling me that I misquoted the quran.

Firstly, those versions I wrote out were they written by Sharon? Secondly, if you didn't lack comprehensive skill which I knew you lacked, will you tell me the different with all the versions I posted for you to yours that is not misquoted?


This is the definition you gave for the term Muslim




Is there any different between SURRENDER and SUBMIT?

From your own version, it says SUBMIT which means Muhammad was the FIRST Muslim, why? Because he was the first human to SUBMIT/SURRENDER himself to his god

What I noticed you lack is comprehensive ability to understand simple sentence and meaning of SURRENDER and SUBMIT

Those engaging you are really doing a great job, you are worthless to have been using a browsing phone talk more of engaging sane people on internet with the way you argue blindly

I will advice you to go back to school and be fully well educated!

If because of the question I asked you (Is Muhammad the founder of islam a Jewish) made you ridiculing yourself in this manner as you couldn't answer for the sake of been exposed further, why not just look away rather than telling me I posted misquoted various versions of quran that in contexts not different from yours. THOSE ENGAGING YOU ON NL. ARE DOING A GREAT JOB!

ANTllSLAAM:


Alainironu omo still talking, cover your face in shame

Remember i have got you bloodied in some of our previous posts.

And I do not join issues with you as you have a WEIRD ANALYTICAL PERSPECTIVE. JUST STAY ON YOUR LANE.

Stay off my mention, if you could, please, and continue with your ignorance.

ahmedio2017:




Remember i have got you bloodied in some of our previous posts.

Which of them? Did you mean the one you said Bible comprises of Torah and Injeel but later said Bible is NOT the same Torah and Injeel or the one you can't differentiate between past tense and past participle in which I asked for the meaning of RAISE but giving me synonym of RISE. At this your age, you don't know the different between RAISE and RISE. Islam is a big disgrace in your miserable life

ahmedio2017:


And I do not join issues with you as you have a WEIRD ANALYTICAL PERSPECTIVE. JUST STAY ON YOUR LANE.

You jakpa for my question nii and I want you to finish what you started but it's just a pity that SharonLoveth has brutalized your hopeless life

ahmedio2017:


Stay off my mention, if you could, please, and continue with your ignorance.

It is now to stay off when you jumped into the matter you can't finish after asking you kindergarten question you couldn't answer. Sorry slave, I go catch you next time

ahmedio2017:



So therefore ISHMAEL is not from God?
Is from who?
I love what you are smoking...
Why did God gave him Ismael in the first instance?
Anyways your god used to makes mistakes though perhaps your god made another mistake here

Where did you come from? Are you from God?
Ishmael is from Hagar, his Mother.

You don't have to insult me. You are simply ignorant because the backbone of your knowledge is Quran which have a very little detail about Abraham's life and the Israelites in general.
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According to the Torah, God gave Hagar's son the name Ishmael because of Hagar's suffering.
Sarah cast Hagar out of her matrimonial home.

And Hagar began to suffer until God showed her mercy. The angel of God said to her: "his name will be called Ishmael because his hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against him. "

Is that a blessing or a curse?

This was the only thing the angel of God said to Hagar, his mother.

And if you look from the beginning till now, the Ishmealites have been stirring up religious wars and strife for centuries.
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Moreover, God never spoke to Ishmael.
But God appeared and spoke to Isaac several times. And reminded him of the covenant he made with his Father Abraham.
And God appeared to Jacob, Isaac's son to remind him of the covenant he made with his Father Isaac.

You are just ignorant and closed-minded. That's all.

God never said anything good about Ishmael. Neither did God bless him.

MrPRevailer:


Where did you come from? Are you from God?
Ishmael is from Hagar, his Mother.

You don't have to insult me. You are simply ignorant because the backbone of your knowledge is Quran which have a very little detail about Abraham's life and the Israelites in general.
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According to the Torah, God gave Hagar's son the name Ishmael because of Hagar's suffering.
Sarah cast Hagar out of her matrimonial home.

And Hagar began to suffer until God showed her mercy. The angel of God said to her: "his name will be called Ishmael because his hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against him. "

Is that a blessing or a curse?

This was the only thing the angel of God said to Hagar, his mother.

And if you look from the beginning till now, the Ishmealites have been stirring up religious wars and strife for centuries.
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Moreover, God never spoke to Ishmael.
But God appeared and spoke to Isaac several times. And reminded him of the covenant he made with his Father Abraham.
And God appeared to Jacob, Isaac's son to remind him of the covenant he made with his Father Isaac.

You are just ignorant and closed-minded. That's all.

God never said anything good about Ishmael. Neither did God bless him.

Are you taking it personal?
You said ismheal is not from God and I asked you if he's not from God then he's from WHO?

ahmedio2017:




Are you taking it personal?
You said ismheal is not from God and I asked you if he's not from God then he's from WHO?

He's from Hagar.

Who had nothing to do with God.

MrPRevailer:


He's from Hagar.

Who had nothing to do with God.

Lolz who is Hagar ?
And that your Hagar if from who?

Point of correction I'm from God, I'm one of God creatures, perhaps you are from Israel... who created Israel? U go explain tire.

ahmedio2017:



Lolz who is Hagar ?
And that your Hagar if from who?

Point of correction I'm from God, I'm one of God creatures, perhaps you are from Israel... who created Israel? U go explain tire.

Hagar is an ordinary woman in the Torah.

Satan the creature is also from God but he is an enemy of God and the father of evil. Likewise all sinners and unbelievers (are creatures of God) will end up in hell.

Abraham ----> Isaac ------> Jacob.

JACOB'S name was changed to ISRAEL.......by the angel of God.
He had 12 sons. Which till today are the 12 tribes of Israel.

You have no sane words to refute my argument.
Instead of turning to the truth, you have turned instead to deliberately act foolishly.
Be wise.

MrPRevailer:

Hagar is an ordinary woman in the Torah.

Satan the creature is also from God but he is an enemy of God and the father of evil. Likewise all sinners and unbelievers (are creatures of God) will end up in hell.

Abraham ----> Isaac ------> Jacob.

JACOB'S name was changed to ISRAEL.......by the angel of God.
He had 12 sons. Which till today are the 12 tribes of Israel.

You have no sane words to refute my argument.
Instead of turning to the truth, you have turned instead to deliberately act foolishly.
Be wise.

You are the one that is a fool here,
According to you, you said ismheal is not from God, in order word he's from devil is that what you are trying to insinuate?

It is you that needs to be wise honestly, that Satan you were referring was one of the angels of God. But purposely God turned him to a Satan for a reason best know to God...

See, God is beyond you and your entire pastors he knows tomorrow and hundred of thousands of years to come. So all what that happens between Abraham, Isaac and Ismael God knew everything and that's how he want it to be....

You know why I don't want to argue with you??
Because according to you guys god can make a lot of mistakes and you guys even said your god REGRETTED. Those statement is full of rubbish, God is the best planner he knows everything and he can never make a mistakes. You saying that god make a mistake by giving Abraham ismheal is a rubbish statement. And it was ismheal that God ordered Abraham to sacrifice and not Isaac... You have a lot to learn and to unlearn....

ahmedio2017:



You are the one that is a fool here,
According to you, you said ismheal is not from God, in order word he's from devil is that what you are trying to insinuate?

It is you that needs to be wise honestly, that Satan you were referring was one of the angels of God. But purposely God turned him to a Satan for a reason best know to God...

See, God is beyond you and your entire pastors he knows tomorrow and hundred of thousands of years to come. So all what that happens between Abraham, Isaac and Ismael God knew everything and that's how he want it to be....

You know why I don't want to argue with you??
Because according to you guys god can make a lot of mistakes and you guys even said your god REGRETTED. Those statement is full of rubbish, God is the best planner he knows everything and he can never make a mistakes. You saying that god make a mistake by giving Abraham ismheal is a rubbish statement. And it was ismheal that God ordered Abraham to sacrifice and not Isaac... You have a lot to learn and to unlearn....

Did I not also mention idolaterers pagans and sinners? They will go to heaven because "they're from God"?

I never said God made a mistake. You changed my words.

I said Ishmael was a generational mistake committed by Sarah. She forced Abraham to sleep with their concubine.

Where in the Quran did God order Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael? Please give the quotation.

MrPRevailer:


Did I not also mention idolaterers pagans and sinners? They will go to heaven because "they're from God"?

I never said God made a mistake. You changed my words.

I said Ishmael was a generational mistake committed by Sarah. She forced Abraham to sleep with their concubine.

Where in the Quran did God order Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael? Please give the quotation.

According to the Bible, the sacrificed is said to be Abraham's only son (or his firstborn in some versions), which cannot fit Isaac ; according to the Qur'ân, the good news of Isaac said that he would have a progeny and consequently God cannot order Abraham to sacrifice Isaac before the promise is fulfilled. Again, according to the Qur'ân, the sacrificed cannot be Isaac.


You like twisting things, God ordered Abraham to sacrifice his FIRST SON now the question who was his first son?