timbros:


You are the one doing strong head here.

Instead of acknowledging your goof, you are claiming right.

You specifically made a statement, without adding any if or but or apart....

Did any other player win both major tournaments that summer? Yes or no.

Save your childish arguments for Airmark. I knew about Emerson even while typing that. I assume normal people will get the message but a word salad merchant like you will start wasting time over nonsense. Face front abeg

Ibeme:


Just like Semi Ajayi play all minutes while Osimhen get taken off after being used as workhorses to cover vast spaces all game because Peseiro wants to sit deeo

Chiesa and them were used as workhorses, 3 men to cover the whole opposition half, so that Jogginghoe, Chielini and Bonuccis can sit deep being old men and sluggish. Mancini brought off all his wingers and forwards every game, COVID substitution rules allowed it, so he gives the hard runners rest

Unlike Chiesa, Osimehn started all our gams from group stages not being brought on as a 20mins sub while once again Jorginho started and played all important games

raumdeuter:


Unlike Chiesa, Osimehn started all our gams from group stages not being brought on as a 20mins sub while once again Jorginho started and played all important games

Lukman was our second best player and played exactly the same instructions as Chiesa and rested multiple games and came off almost every game

Ibeme:


Lukman was our second best player and played exactly the same instructions as Chiesa and rested multiple games and came off almost every game

Lookman started 6 of our 7 games playing 540 out of 660mins
Chiesa started 4 of Italy 7 games playing 437 of 720mins

raumdeuter:


Lookman started 6 of our 7 games playing 540 out of 660mins
Chiesa started 4 of Italy 7 games playing 437 of 720mins

Compare minutes from Quarter final to final, na the Koko be that. Chiesa played more than Lukman when it counted

raumdeuter:


Lookman started 6 of our 7 games playing 540 out of 660mins
Chiesa started 4 of Italy 7 games playing 437 of 720mins

Lookman was spectacular at Atlanta

Ibeme:


Compare minutes from Quarter final to final, na the Koko be that. Chiesa played more than Lukman when it counted

Knockout stages Lookman scored 3 goals
How many did Chiesa score in the knockout stage

timbros:


Did my question not specifically mention Chelsea?

Was the focus Chelsea or makelele vs Caceido’s position.

timbros:


Yes.

He narrated how he started from attack to DM in Chelsea.

The “then” and “to” in my statement is not for decoration. I was discussing Makelele as a player and not Chelsea.

Ibeme:


Save your childish arguments for Airmark. I knew about Emerson even while typing that. I assume normal people will get the message but a word salad merchant like you will start wasting time over nonsense. Face front abeg

Your statement was misleading.

A football newbie will read that and carry it with him, and even argue outside that nobody else won both tournaments that summer except Jorginho.

Normal people got your message that only Jorginho won both tournaments. And it's a normal person that is questioning the info. The least thing you should do is accept the mistake and move on. There is no grammar you will speak here that will twist your initial mistake.

Jorginho is not the only player that won UCL and Euros that summer. Simple.

hensben:
Was the focus Chelsea or makelele vs Caceido’s position.

My focus was Chelsea.

However I've heard you. You are correct.

timbros:


Nihilistjnr just the dodge the defensive part of our game this season compared to last.

Well sha, he don already talk am say na agenda things so i no take am serious.

I'm actually of the opinion that both need work, however with Palmer and Nkunku we have a solid platform. Just need to add a LW like, say, Nico Williams. Palmer and Nkunku are both G/A demons, Nico knows how to play, and maybe give Jackson a second bite at the cherry.

The defense, however, is a total shambles because Brodashile and Disaster are mid clowns, Fofana has legs made of glass, and Colwill, while good, isn't quite there yet. The left back position i won't even speak about, while Reece James is a certified doctor. We need at least two quality CB and one LB.

Ten Hag: We dominated the game.

The game:

Midfield has enough quality. Why it looks like Abuja-Kaduna express is because of Monsieur Popizaino the Gacon test lemon man.

You can't tell me Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia, Chukwuemeka and even Sungballagher as a squad player is as bad a midfield as we're seeing. Lies. We've watched all these guys outside Chelsea and Gbochettino.

And Andrey Santos is another quality midfielder. He just needs another year-long loan in an English side.

Unlimited22:

I'm actually of the opinion that both need work, however with Palmer and Nkunku we have a solid platform. Just need to add a LW like, say, Nico Williams. Palmer and Nkunku are both G/A demons, Nico knows how to play, and maybe give Jackson a second bite at the cherry.

The defense, however, is a total shambles because Brodashile and Disaster are mid clowns, Fofana has legs made of glass, and Colwill, while good, isn't quite there yet. The left back position i won't even speak about, while Reece James is a certified doctor. We need at least two quality CB and one LB.

That defence is in a state of emergency. We have no single reliable defender. Adding an experienced center back is paramount as that will help Disasi who seem to be the most passionate defender we have. He just needs someone with experience who can help him improve his positioning. David Alaba would have been perfect if not for his injury.

We need another left back too as Chillwell and Cucu shouldn't be trusted at all. I wouldn't mind Theo Hernandez at 45 to 50M and Cucu as back up.

We also need a decent right back to compete with Gusto and keep him on his toes. Tino Livramento for 30M won't be bad. My eyes already favors him due to his good recovery pace.

The management has a lot of work to do as they should package Fofana, James and Chillwell by giving them careful minutes and ship them to an unsuspecting buyer. At least, their wages and medical bills will be off our books.

Chalobah, Gallagher and Broja should be sold to keep us on the positive side of financial fair play.

Sterling should be pleaded with to accept a move to Saudi, at least we can get some crumbs from his move.

We can enquire from Son to see if he is tired of struggling with Spurs.

Acquiring Xavi Simons, Son and those defenders suggested above will put us back on track to compete for major trophies.

Jodera:


Elite level performance.
This is the first time he's nearing 30g/a if I'm not wrong. That's a norm for world class players. And also, deciding big games singlehandedly by himself.

Saka is a top player but personally to me he's not yet World class. Same as Foden.

Factos.

raumdeuter:


Knockout stages Lookman scored 3 goals
How many did Chiesa score in the knockout stage

2

raumdeuter:


How many Arsenal defensive players speak French? Is it Tomiyasu Ben white Jorginho Partey Rice Timber Kiwior Holding or which of the keepers

That communication and leadership is nonsense. Gabriel does the work he is the main man who donates himself to the danger man, we saw how he was all over Haaland showing workings not those silly leadership who will be pointing to others to do work for them to claim glory

It's never Nonsense. Even if they don't speak common languages but any footballer would tell you they have signs or basic terms they communicate with one another to understand what they're doing.

Liverpool before Van Dijk were like Chelsea presently. They were conceding goals in quantum. The only good thing was that their attack was somehow good but "Engagers" lovren and Matip were conceding goals left, right and corner. It took the leadership and communication skills of Van Dijk to calm everything down and it turned Liverpool to world beaters. Within a year, their worst defence turned to world best defence. They turned from top 4 specialist to UCL winner and league competitors.

It's the reason I laugh silently whenever you disparage Van Dijk. Now we don see how Silva absence don turn Chelsea defence to joke. See Badiashile weh everybody dey hail last season (esp Bluem.ann) don deh turn joke small small.

Jodera:
It's never Nonsense. Even if they don't speak common languages but any footballer would tell you they have signs or basic terms they communicate with one another to understand what they're doing.

Liverpool before Van Dijk were like Chelsea presently. They were conceding goals in quantum. The only good thing was that their attack was somehow good but "Engagers" lovren and Matip were conceding goals left, right and corner. It took the leadership and communication skills of Van Dijk to calm everything down and it turned Liverpool to world beaters. Within a year, their worst defence turned to world best defence. They turned from top 4 specialist to UCL winner and league competitors.

It's the reason I laugh silently whenever you disparage Van Dijk. Now we don see how Silva absence don turn Chelsea defence to joke. See Badiashile weh everybody dey hail last season (esp Bluem.ann) don deh turn joke small small.

Good observation but Raumdeuter understand what you trying to say is the issue here.

timbros:


Your statement was misleading.

A football newbie will read that and carry it with him, and even argue outside that nobody else won both tournaments that summer except Jorginho.

Normal people got your message that only Jorginho won both tournaments. And it's a normal person that is questioning the info. The least thing you should do is accept the mistake and move on. There is no grammar you will speak here that will twist your initial mistake.

Jorginho is not the only player that won UCL and Euros that summer. Simple.

Was Emerson a starting player for Chelsea? Even for Italy he wasn't a starter till Spinazola got injured in the semi. Learn to ignore irrelevant stuff and stop wasting people's time. You are a grown man

hensben:
Good observation but Raum.deuter understand what you trying to say is the issue here.

It's because he doesn't Rate those players that's why.
But it's simple, last season,Van Dijk was off form and Liverpool were in shambles.

This season he's a contender of the year award again and Liverpool are competing for another "quadruple".

I just laugh at those that say Van Dijk na average defender and he runs away from challenges. But the irony is that na only rival fans (people who doesn't watch all Liverpool matches just a handful) lay such claim. You can never see a Liverpool fan constantly criticize Van Dijk

Unlimited22:

I'm actually of the opinion that both need work, however with Palmer and Nkunku we have a solid platform. Just need to add a LW like, say, Nico Williams. Palmer and Nkunku are both G/A demons, Nico knows how to play, and maybe give Jackson a second bite at the cherry.

The defense, however, is a total shambles because Brodashile and Disaster are mid clowns, Fofana has legs made of glass, and Colwill, while good, isn't quite there yet. The left back position i won't even speak about, while Reece James is a certified doctor. We need at least two quality CB and one LB.

You hit the nail on the head.

Ibeme:


Was Emerson a starting player for Chelsea? Even for Italy he wasn't a starter till Spinazola got injured in the semi. Learn to ignore irrelevant stuff and stop wasting people's time. You are a grown man

Did you mention starter or you just want to shift goal post. Your comment was straight forward and clear, and misleading.

A grown man accept his mistake and move on. Did I die when I admitted to Hensben that he is right?

Jodera:

It's because he doesn't Rate those players that's why.
But it's simple, last season,Van Dijk was off form and Liverpool were in shambles.

This season he's a contender of the year award again and Liverpool are competing for another "quadruple".

I just laugh at those that say Van Dijk na average defender and he runs away from challenges. But the irony is that na only rival fans (people who doesn't watch all Liverpool matches just a handful) lay such claim. You can never see a Liverpool fan constantly criticize Van Dijk

You mean people that don’t really have football knowledge like that. They just overrate some peeps here but well na nairaland we Dey.

hensben:
First player to bottle man of the match award

ThierryJay:


Hmm I'll beg to differ on Jorginho.

At best he was a very good player. A single stellar season does not make you world class. Even in the so-called stellar season, no one who watched Jorgi during the Chelsea UCL and Italy Euro campaign thought in real time that they were watching a potential world best player. It was more of an afterthought at season end that wait a minute, Jorginho is a common factor in both winning campaigns so he must be so, so and so. And after that season, he never truly won fans hearts with his displays both in club and country.

For context, Victor Osimhen is not considered world class despite a stellar last season. David Beckham despite ending up on the world best podium on 2 occasions was considered not world-class by Fergie (though I disagree personally cos Beckham was one of the most impactful midfielders in the world between 98/99 to March 2002 when that Deportivo player broke his leg) but this is just to illustrate that just being very good doesnt automatically make you world class.

To be world class is to show consistently high levels of quality both on the easy and toughest stages over a long time regardless of trophies (although they are an added advantage). This is why Harry Kane and Son are considered World class.

We have world class talents from young ages though, like Owen, Rooney, Pato, Robinho, Bellingham, Neymar, Mbappe, Rice, Mikel Obi. Not all of them went on to seal their world class status though. Foden has world class talent, however time will tell whether he progresses this into a bona-fide world beater. Personally, I think he's almost there and by next season if he replicates this level, his world class status will not be in doubt.

Saka is still not yet world class. Same as Palmer and Rodrygo. They are just very good players.

Saka and Palmer can never be in the same category in any rating. You can't compare sleep to death. Saka is above which makes him a worldclass. I don't see any team Saka won't slut in perfectly. Be it real madrid,man city he will be guaranteed a starting shirt. Same can't be said of Cole Palmer.

Jodera:
It's never Nonsense. Even if they don't speak common languages but any footballer would tell you they have signs or basic terms they communicate with one another to understand what they're doing.

Liverpool before Van Dijk were like Chelsea presently. They were conceding goals in quantum. The only good thing was that their attack was somehow good but "Engagers" lovren and Matip were conceding goals left, right and corner. It took the leadership and communication skills of Van Dijk to calm everything down and it turned Liverpool to world beaters. Within a year, their worst defence turned to world best defence. They turned from top 4 specialist to UCL winner and league competitors.

It's the reason I laugh silently whenever you disparage Van Dijk. Now we don see how Silva absence don turn Chelsea defence to joke. See Badiashile weh everybody dey hail last season (esp Bluem.ann) don deh turn joke small small.

good observation.

Especially the Chelsea vs Liverpool comparison.

That's why I'm yet to join on potchetiino out train yet.
Once we figure out the defence, I think the team will be solid.

hensben:
First player to bottle man of the match award

Wetin dey do you people sef

City go first .... boya ka ni nice weekend o

This city keeper na basket

NinjaMetahuman:
good observation.

Especially the Chelsea vs Liverpool comparison.

That's why I'm yet to join on potchetiino out train yet.
Once we figure out the defence, I think the team will be solid.

The attack still needs improvement tho but urgent need is a very good CB that's a leader.

Once these two is sorted, out believe Chelsea will come back even with pochetinno. The first half of the season looks promising in terms of performance even though results wasn't flowing (hence the poor league standing) but the second half is just shambles.

Over 50 goals concededo by a club like Chelsea is crazy