Jodera:
FIFA best, Balon dor... All join!!

Messi won World cup in 2022
What concerns Balon dor with that when when same Messi still won 2022 Balon dor because of WC

Nah, you are mixing it up.

Benzema won the 2022 Ballon Dor for 21/22 season.

Messi won 2023 Ballon dor for 22/23 season which is when WC held and Haaland also won UCL.

Fifa best is what Messi won twice using the same WC. Haaland deserved the 2023 Fifa best.

ThierryJay:


Henry scored the crucial sublime only goal for France in the must win game vs Ireland to qualify for WC 2006, so your belittling of his contribution has no basis. Note that I didn't say Zidane had no impact unlike you that brings down one to elevate another.

Since you say Haaland is just starting his career and it will be unfair to compare him with Henry's whole career and I agree with you on this.

At 23, Henry also had already a string of big game performances. He had scored against Bayern, Juventus, Valencia in UCL and Portugal in Euro 2000 semi whilst putting in a very good showing vs Italy in the final.

At 23, Henry was not known as a big game choker even if he failed to perform well in few big games. But Haaland is already garnering that reputation. The question is on what objective basis did you conclude that Henry was a choker while Haaland is not, at the current same age of 23?

France era was known and deservedly credited to Zidane because in the key moment he was lifting them and Henry choking

When Zidane retired Henry showed how useless he is

World cup 2002, Zidane got injured and France couldn't score a goal despite Henry coming from a great season

Same thing when Zidane retired after Euro 2004 leaving Henry to carry the team

popizaino:
Someone who hails Tuchel as the best thing after sliced bread calls Ancelotti vibes and inshallah.

Don't you see how stupid your takes are?

🤣

raumdeuter:


France era was known and deservedly credited to Zidane because in the key moment he was lifting them and Henry choking

When Zidane retired Henry showed how useless he is

World cup 2002, Zidane got injured and France couldn't score a goal despite Henry coming from a great season

Same thing when Zidane retired after Euro 2004 leaving Henry to carry the team

Your agenda lacks substance. Whilst Zidane was the protagonist for France and rightly so, Henry's contributions to France's success between 1998 - 2003 were also crucial. That Zidane was France's best did not mean Henry was useless, in fact he was second best to Zizou in that era. In 2002, Henry played one game and 15 minutes of the second before his red card, so putting the entire 3-game collapse on him is ridiculous.

My main point of argument in my previous post on Haaland, you conveniently ignored. That is what I want you to really respond to.

ThierryJay:


Your agenda lacks substance. Whilst Zidane was the protagonist for France and rightly so, Henry's contributions to France's success between 1998 - 2003 were also crucial. That Zidane was France's best did not mean Henry was useless, in fact he was second best to Zizou in that era. In 2002, Henry played one game and 15 minutes of the second before his red card, so putting the entire 3-game collapse on him is ridiculous.

My main point of argument in my previous post on Haaland, you conveniently ignored. That is what I want you to really respond to.

Haaland has done enough in big games for his age while Henry choked in most of his big games in his career

Wait till Haaland retire and has the type of shameful big game performance like Henry before we compare them

raumdeuter:


Mbappe has won it in the last 3 seasons

Yes which is why I said he arguably could have been.
He had the assists/goals plus chance creation, dribbles completed were all elite.

raumdeuter:


Haaland has done enough in big games for his age while Henry choked in most of his big games in his career

Wait till Haaland retire and has the type of shameful big game performance like Henry before we compare them

Big game or not Henry was ten times the footballer to Haaland and even he lost the Ballon to Nedved a certain year.
Can Haaland produce the Bernabau performance Henry showcased at Arsenal?
Football isn't just about scoring goals, there are works to be done before a goal is scored

kendrick9:
Big game or not Henry was ten times the footballer to Haaland and even he lost the Ballon to Nedved a certain year.
Can Haaland produce the Bernabau performance Henry showcased at Arsenal?
Football isn't just about scoring goals, there are works to be done before a goal is scored

Haaland produced that performance vs PSG while he was at Dortmund and vs Bayern last season

raumdeuter:


Haaland has done enough in big games for his age while Henry choked in most of his big games in his career

Wait till Haaland retire and has the type of shameful big game performance like Henry before we compare them

A fuggy response. The devil is in the detail.

Haaland has played Madrid 3 times anonymously. Meanwhile in his first 3 games vs Madrid, Henry scored 2 beautiful goals. Pls how is Henry a choker and Haaland isnt?

Henry scored great goals against Juve, Bayern, Madrid, Atletico, Inter, Roma, Valencia, Manutd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Dortmund & Lyon. Only Barca (once) and AC Milan (didnt play them in his prime) are the big teams that escaped his scoring magic. So how is he a serial big game choker based on facts and not some generic biased perception that people had carried unobjectively since their undergraduate days?

Hindsight is a great asset. Use it well.

raumdeuter:


Haaland produced that performance vs PSG while he was at Dortmund and vs Bayern last season

Haaland scored goals yes.
But Henry terrorized the whole Bernebau all game.
He singlehandedly carried the whole Arsenal attacking threat

ThierryJay:


A fuggy response. The devil is in the detail.

Haaland has played Madrid 3 times anonymously. Meanwhile in his first 3 games vs Madrid, Henry scored 2 beautiful goals. Pls how is Henry a choker and Haaland isnt?

Henry scored great goals against Juve, Bayern, Madrid, Atletico, Inter, Roma, Valencia, Manutd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Dortmund & Lyon. Only Barca (once) and AC Milan (didnt play them in his prime) are the big teams that escaped his scoring magic. So how is he a serial big game choker based on facts and not some generic biased perception that people had carried unobjectively since their undergraduate days?

Hindsight is a great asset. Use it well.

Madrid is not the only big game

Haaland scored 2 and assisted vs Bayern last season at age 23 lost Balon dor to the greatest player ever

We can say without Messi, Haaland would have been bal0n dor

Henry never got that close because he was never a big game player always choked at key moments of glory

kendrick9:
Haaland scored goals yes.
But Henry terrorized the whole Bernebau all game.
He singlehandedly carried the whole Arsenal attacking threat

He should sign up to be a terrorist and not a football player

Especially not in key games

Henry got to the CL final and terrorized his own team missing glit edged chances and they lost

Until he went to be carried to the CL at Barcelona the same team that beat him

raumdeuter:


Madrid is not the only big game

Haaland scored 2 and assisted vs Bayern last season at age 23 lost Balon dor to the greatest player ever

We can say without Messi, Haaland would have been bal0n dor

Henry never got that close because he was never a big game player always choked at key moments of glory

You mean Henry never get closed to the ballon d or ?

Didn’t he finished behind pavel nedved a certain year ?

popizaino:
Someone who hails Tuchel as the best thing after sliced bread calls Ancelotti vibes and inshallah.

Don't you see how stupid your takes are?

This place na beer parlour
I saw the post yesterday and was flabbergasted
I think it's better not to engage some people because you will end up blaming yourself

raumdeuter:


Madrid is not the only big game

Haaland scored 2 and assisted vs Bayern last season at age 23 lost Balon dor to the greatest player ever

We can say without Messi, Haaland would have been bal0n dor

Henry never got that close because he was never a big game player always choked at key moments of glory

Henry lost the world best twice to Zidane and Ronaldinho.

Without those 2 GOAT candidates, Henry would have won the best player multiple times. So your statement that he never got that close is clearly wrong.

Haaland choked in the UCL final. If Ederson and Rodri had choked likewise, then UCL otilor for Erling. Henry did not have similar luxury despite at least recording a very good assist in the final with 10 men which bettered Haaland's performance vs Inter.

And in the run up to the UCL final, Henry absolutely destroyed both Madrid and Juventus with a performance that also bettered Erling's vs Bayern.

So the logical conclusion is clear. If you say Henry is a choker, then Haaland is a super choker.

Sportsweb:
Man United have 3 UCL right?
So in the hell did Sergio Roberto have more UCL than Utd?

He was talking about your club.

raumdeuter:


He should sign up to be a terrorist and not a football player

Especially not in key games

Henry got to the CL final and terrorized his own team missing glit edged chances and they lost

Until he went to be carried to the CL at Barcelona the same team that beat him

There is a difference between Henry choking in most of the finals he played and saying he always choked in big games.

There are many players that haven't played a WC or UCL final but that does not mean they didn't play in any big games. Henry had several magical big game performances across UCL and EPL but truly seemed to have a problem with scoring in finals, (at least though he scored in a Confed cup final).

He was carried to the CL in Barca just like Haaland who also did not score in SF and final. Henry still had 6 UCL goals in that campaign and scored crucial goals and assists vs Bayern and Lyon in the QF and SR stages.

If you had presented it as the above I wouldn't argue with you.

Reports are Liverpool have an agreement with Ruben Amorim for next season. What a wonderful appointment for them. He is a far better choice than Xabi.

andrewbaba44:


You mean Henry never get closed to the ballon d or ?

Didn’t he finished behind pavel nedved a certain year ?

Henry was beaten by Nedved.
Haaland was beaten by Messi

ThierryJay:


Henry lost the world best twice to Zidane and Ronaldinho.

Without those 2 GOAT candidates, Henry would have won the best player multiple times. So your statement that he never got that close is clearly wrong.

Haaland choked in the UCL final. If Ederson and Rodri had choked likewise, then UCL otilor for Erling. Henry did not have similar luxury despite at least recording a very good assist in the final with 10 men which bettered Haaland's performance vs Inter.

And in the run up to the UCL final, Henry absolutely destroyed both Madrid and Juventus with a performance that also bettered Erling's vs Bayern.

So the logical conclusion is clear. If you say Henry is a choker, then Haaland is a super choker.

At 23yrs Henry was not even getting nominated, Haaland is 2nd at age 23

Leyqute:


This is very very true.

Ancelloti is the definition of a man manager(Vibes). He is good at motivating players and relying on individual ability but when it comes to the tactical aspect of the game he is far below many coaches. It's no surprise he has a terrible league record where vibes and inshallah cannot carry you for 38games.

ThierryJay:


There is a difference between Henry choking in most of the finals he played and saying he always choked in big games.

There are many players that haven't played a WC or UCL final but that does not mean they didn't play in any big games. Henry had several magical big game performances across UCL and EPL but truly seemed to have a problem with scoring in finals, (at least though he scored in a Confed cup final).

He was carried to the CL in Barca just like Haaland who also did not score in SF and final. Henry still had 6 UCL goals in that campaign and scored crucial goals and assists vs Bayern and Lyon in the QF and SR stages.

If you had presented it as the above I wouldn't argue with you.

But Henry's team has played a world cup final, CL finals, Euro final, even UEFA cup final

What is Henrys total contribution to these?

Its something if your team never gets to play these finals, its another thing that your team played many and you choke

raumdeuter:


Henry was beaten by Nedved.
Haaland was beaten by Messi

Lmao

This egbon sha

Capaldi:
Reports are Liverpool have an agreement with Ruben Amorim for next season. What a wonderful appointment for them. He is a far better choice than Xabi.

I don't think so. He reminds me of Villa Boas, hope I'm wrong

raumdeuter:


At 23yrs Henry was not even getting nominated, Haaland is 2nd at age 23

The argument isn't about nominations, it's about big game choking.

ThierryJay:


The argument isn't about nominations, it's about big game choking.

Henry has more big game choking littering his career

If Haaland retires with the same amount of big game choking then we can compare to Henry

raumdeuter:


He should sign up to be a terrorist and not a football player

Especially not in key games

Henry got to the CL final and terrorized his own team missing glit edged chances and they lost

Until he went to be carried to the CL at Barcelona the same team that beat him

At least he wasn't a ghost all game.
Didn't he get an assist in that game?
Very good performance in the 2000 Euros final as someone mentioned here too.

andrewbaba44:


Lmao

This egbon sha

As in ehn, he argues with a tunnel vision.

Jodera:

Someone broke all records unimaginable last season and you think just the "best striker tag" is enough to justify his efforts?

I'm not one to start judging whether he has 1 touches or 80 touches but there's something called efficiency and he did it effectively.

He won all trophies ought to be won last season being the top scorer and breaking all records there is to break.

For your talk to even be valid, show me anywhere during last season where you said Kdb and Rodri deserves Balon dor then I'll not take you as someone who's looking for a low moment to strike Haaland when he's down. Just silently waiting for this opportunity to strike him

Bros
I don't need to be told that Jackson will be better than Haaland if he played for Chelsea. Haaland with his abysmal general play will be irritating to watch in this our useless team.

raumdeuter:


Henry has more big game choking littering his career

And I just broke it down to you in detail that that assertion is false when compared to Haaland at similar age. But you keep spewing unvalidated conclusions. Repeating it does not make you right.

Jodera:

Different styles of play shouldn't be a criteria to victimise someone.

Haaland broke unimaginable records last season while winning EVERYTHING. That itself makes him the world best player.

What did Rodri and Kdb do to deserve the Balon dor?
In fact what are they doing that they haven't done before Haaland came?

Bro, a tap in striker should never win a Balon d'or. That's like crediting you with other people's effort.

kendrick9:
At least he wasn't a ghost all game.
Didn't he get an assist in that game?
Very good performance in the 2000 Euros final as someone mentioned here too.

Shey the game where he missed multiple chances and was posing for camera not knowing say breakfast dey come