raumdeuter:


But Henry's team has played a world cup final, CL finals, Euro final, even UEFA cup final

What is Henrys total contribution to these?

Its something if your team never gets to play these finals, its another thing that your team played many and you choke

Then all you would have said is that Henry tends to choke in most finals, not big games because there are way more big games than only finals.

That said, Henry definitely didn't choke in Euro 2000 final and in the Confederations cup final. Haaland meanwhile has choked in all his finals played.

ThierryJay:


And I just broke it down to you in detail that that assertion is false when compared to Haaland at similar age. But you keep spewing unvalidated conclusions. Repeating it does not make you right.

Facts only

raumdeuter:


Which final has Henry delivered in?

- Lets start from France 98 he was dropped in the final

- 2000 UEFA cup Henry blew all the chances and Galatasaray won the cup

- 2000 Euro cup Henry was blowing all the chances shooting from impossible angles until Wiltord and Trezeguet baled France out

- 2002 World cup Henry as highest goal scorer was just huffing and puffing until France crashed out

-2004 Euro cup France vs England, That season Henry was the main PK and Freekick taker for Arsenal After Henry wasted all the glit edged chances in that match, when the late penalty and Freekick came, Zidane chased him away from there

-Henry and the Arsenal clique forced Zidane Makelele and others to retire claiming their play was slowing France down, In the qualifiers, Henry choked sobad that France was in danger of not qualifying for the world cup in a grop of Israel, Ireland and Faroe Island, Until they went to bring Zidane back who not only qualified them for the world cup but dragged France to the final before he got a red card, Without Zidane France was lost

-2006 Champions League the high point of Henrys choking career, two 1 vs 1 chances vs Valdes and he blew it and Arsenals chance of winning the CL

-Zidane retired now left for Henry to carry France, Euro 2008 Henry and co ensured France crashed out of the group stage

Henry invented the art of choking, No one can choke as bad as Henry even Hidden Hazard dey learn work from Igwe

ThierryJay:


Then all you would have said is that Henry tends to choke in most finals, not big games because there are way more big games than only finals.

That said, Henry definitely didn't choke in Euro 2000 final and in the Confederations cup final.

World cup, Euro final no, CL finals no

Now we come dey talk of confederate cup vs bereaved Cameroun

kendrick9:
I don't think so. He reminds me of Villa Boas, hope I'm wrong

How does he remind you of Villa boas and what does Xabi remind you of?

Villa boas took the biggest team in Portugal to win league. Ruben is about to take Sporting that hasn't won the league in 19years to 2 league titles in 4 seasons. Apart from even those titles his tactical ability and set up is why I rate him.

raumdeuter:


Facts only

Your so-called facts have limited scope sprinkled with biases here and there as well.

Finals are not the only big games in football. That right there is a fact. And refer to my previous comment.

ThierryJay:


Your so-called facts have limited scope sprinkled with biases here and there as well.

Finals are not the only big games in football. That right there is a fact. And refer to my previous comment.

Finals are the biggest of big games

raumdeuter:


World cup, Euro final no, CL finals no

Now we come dey talk of confederate cup vs bereaved Cameroun

Euro 2000 final - he didn't choke as proven in the sources I showed you. That he didn't score does not mean he choked based on his performance in that game. Did Totti choke? I wish I can share his Euro 2000 final highlight to show how terrific he was, but I go likely chop ban.

You cannot take away or belittle his Confed final goal record with whataboutism just as you cannot take away saves from Courtois or decision making from De Bruyne per your own previous logic which I agree with by the way.

Please give me a final where Haaland has not choked.

raumdeuter:


Madrid is not the only big game

Haaland scored 2 and assisted vs Bayern last season at age 23 lost Balon dor to the greatest player ever

We can say without Messi, Haaland would have been bal0n dor

Henry never got that close because he was never a big game player always choked at key moments of glory

If Mbappe won that World Cup, he would have been given that balon d'or please.

Capaldi:

How does he remind you of Villa boas and what does Xabi remind you of?

Villa boas took the biggest team in Portugal to win league. Ruben is about to take Sporting that hasn't won the league in 19years to 2 league titles in 4 seasons. Apart from even those titles his tactical ability and set up is why I rate him.

And Villa Boas was also praised for his tactical ability. Don't the forget he also won the UEFA cup.
I'm not saying Amorim would flop, but going from the Portuguese league to the PL is a huge step up and with the huge expectations replacing Klopp, would be bigger than any challenge he has faced

raumdeuter:


Finals are the biggest of big games

Yes, but not the only big games.

Give me an international/continental final where Haaland absolutely made his mark.

raumdeuter:

Shey the game where he missed multiple chances and was posing for camera not knowing say breakfast dey come

But he didn't ghost though or touched the ball 11 times in 90mins did he?

raumdeuter:


If Haaland no dey to bully Upamecano and beat Bayern maybe na so city for crash out like they did in previous seasons to Monaco Lyon Liverpool and Spurs

Exactly. Haaland was the difference last season for City, may be marginally but he was the man. For last season, the award was his, absolutely no question about that!

kendrick9:
And Villa Boas was also praised for his tactical ability. Don't the forget he also won the UEFA cup.
I'm not saying Amorim would flop, but going from the Portuguese league to the PL is a huge step up and with the huge expectations replacing Klopp, would be bigger than any challenge he has faced

Any coach you appoint after klopp will face the same challenges even Xabi that was your initial choice. Out of all the available options he is the best you can get.

raumdeuter:


Facts only

Remove Hazard there
Hazard in his prime years was a man of big games.

Capaldi:

Any coach you appoint after klopp will face the same challenges even Xabi that was your initial choice. Out of all the available options he is the best you can get.

I think Alonso's work this season at Leverkusen is better than anything Amorim has done in his career so far.

oliverano:


Exactly. Haaland was the difference last season for City, may be marginally but he was the man. For last season, the award was his, absolutely no question about that!

Which difference?
Man city could have beaten Bayern managed by Tuchel without Haaland.
In the semis and finals, he was a ghost

Jodera:
Last season, almost everyone was in awe of Haaland and how he destroyed almost everybody.

Now we don deh hear say Rodri and Kdb were more important and influential than him.

Funny and ridiculous how you guys will use this season to claim Haaland doesn't deserve the Balon dor last season

It's called revisionism/regency bias.
At a point this season, people said Beligham was the best player in the world. A midfielder who's not doing real midfield work but running into the box to score and shoot from distance. As a midfielder this season, doing pure midfield work, Beligham has been meh...

A new coach at Madrid won't give him that freedom with Mbape, Vinicus and co. That's when we'll see if he's a real midfielder or an attacking midfielder.

Now, everyone is clear that's it's Mbape, end of season, we'll say Harry Kane is the best assuming Bayern go all the way.

We talk A on Monday, B on Tuesday, C on Wednesday, D on Thursday, N on Friday.....it goes on!

kendrick9:
I think Alonso's work this season at Leverkusen is better than anything Amorim has done in his career so far.

At the end of the season both will likely be league champions and that's the one thing that counts. 2 in 4 seasons with Sporting is a great achievement for Ruben as well. How is Xavi work at Leverkusen better than that?

Jodera:

But this one is just ridiculous.

I couldn't believe some people would ever think Haaland didn't deserve the Balon dor

Haaland deserved that balon dor and would have won it if that year wasn't a World Cup year.

Babamide:

Walahi them suppose separate these 4 teams pair them with the bastards whey wan play tomorrow

ThierryJay:


Jodera, how will Haaland win Ballon D'or for a season where Messi won the World cup as its best player?

What Haaland deserved to win last season was Fifa Best, not B'dor.

He didn't even see the FIFA Best Award.

kendrick9:
Which difference?
Man city could have beaten Bayern managed by Tuchel without Haaland.
In the semis and finals, he was a ghost

No evidence suggests this. We can only assume. However, the fact is, quote me if I'm wrong....

Pep has been here since 2016, during that period, he spent the budget of all the sub-subsaharan African countries without winning the UCL. The moment Haaland joined, UCL was delivered.

Coincidence? I don't think so. For last season, the award was his!

Capaldi:

At the end of the season both will likely be league champions and that's the one thing that counts. 2 in 4 seasons with Sporting is a great achievement for Ruben as well. How is Xavi work at Leverkusen better than that?

He's guiding Leverkusen to their first league title since the history of the club.
Doing it in commanding fashion, beating a Bayern who have won the Bundesliga 10+ times in a row.
He's also on course tracking to beat the points total of 2013 Bayern Treble winners.

Far more impressive than Amorim achievements

oliverano:


No evidence suggests this. We can only assume. However, the fact is, quote me if I'm wrong....

Pep has been here since 2016, during that period, he spent the budget of all the sub-subsaharan African countries without winning the UCL. The moment Haaland joined, UCL was delivered.

Coincidence? I don't think so. For last season, the award was his!

Again what was his impact in the two legged semis and the finals?
How can a ghost be the difference when you can't even notice his presence on the pitch?

kendrick9:
He's guiding Leverkusen to their first league title since the history of the club.
Doing it in commanding fashion, beating a Bayern who have won the Bundesliga 10+ times in a row.
He's also on course tracking to beat the points total of 2013 Bayern Treble winners.

Far more impressive than Amorim achievements

It's still one league title. I don't see how that makes it better than Amorim own 2 in 4 with Sporting Lisbon that hasn't won their league in 19years.

kendrick9:
He's guiding Leverkusen to their first league title since the history of the club.
Doing it in commanding fashion, beating a Bayern who have won the Bundesliga 10+ times in a row.
He's also on course tracking to beat the points total of 2013 Bayern Treble winners.

Far more impressive than Amorim achievements

In the other argument, you are calling it Tuchel's Bayern meaning you assume them to be weak because of Tuchel. How do you expect a weak team to challenge a motivated team like Leverkusen?

Now you're calling that same Tuchel's Bayern, a Bayern who has been winning Bundesliga for 10 years, meaning you expected them to be strong enough to win the bundesliga again or at least challenge till the very end.

So how can one team be weak and strong at the same time managed by same person?

oliverano:


No evidence suggests this. We can only assume. However, the fact is, quote me if I'm wrong....

Pep has been here since 2016, during that period, he spent the budget of all the sub-subsaharan African countries without winning the UCL. The moment Haaland joined, UCL was delivered.

Coincidence? I don't think so. For last season, the award was his!

Football don spoil.
How can anyone prove to me that Haaland is the best player in the world?
Shearer, Van Nisterooy etc were never called the best in the world...despite their goal scoring feats

oliverano:


In the other argument, you are calling it Tuchel's Bayern meaning you assume them to be weak because of Tuchel. How do you expect a weak team to challenge a motivated team like Leverkusen?

Now you're calling that same Tuchel's Bayern, a Bayern who has been winning Bundesliga for 10 years, meaning you expected them to be strong enough to win the bundesliga again or at least challenge till the very end.

So how can one team be weak and strong at the same time managed by same person?

Tuchel or no Tuchel, Leverkusen are 16points ahead if I'm not mistaken. Double header between both is just 6pts so let's say Bayer Leverkusen lost both ties they would still be 10pts ahead of Bayern.
Forget Bayern, they are inconsequential. Leverkusen are operating in the GOAT tier of greatest Bundesliga campaigns.
Bayern would need to go back to 2013 or one of those Pep seasons to challenge this Alonso's side

Sportsweb:
He didn't even see the FIFA Best Award.

Yeah, he was robbed of the 2023 FIFA best award but not the Ballon D'or.

kendrick9:
Football don spoil.
How can anyone prove to me that Haaland is the best player in the world?

Your argument lack substance. The award is for player of the year. Meaning the player who was head and shoulders above everyone for the season. Tell me the players better than Haaland for the 2022/2023 season.

kendrick9:
Football don spoil.
How can anyone prove to me that Haaland is the best player in the world?
Shearer, Van Nisterooy etc were never called the best in the world...despite their goal scoring feats

Football never spoil, we're in a different era now and no amount of nostalgia will change that and no be today I don dey follow round leather.

When Kane was banging in goals left right and center and even played UCL final, nobody called him best player in the wordl because he didn't win any title to back it up. It's not that deep.

When Shearer and Nisteroy were scoring, did they win the treble? Last season was for Haaland, period!

Kimbeast:

Your argument lack substance. The award is for player of the year. Meaning the player who was head and shoulders above everyone for the season. Tell me the players better than Haaland for the 2022/2023 season.

My position since morning, I go soon rest sha lol!